All posts by Red2Fang
I already proved how that he doesn't need to write it himself to be canon. And that it’s tertiary canon. Tertiary canon are official adaptations not overseen by the author witch includes the anime. Even then the naruto anime was overseen by kishimoto.
The anime is not made by Kishimoto or Shonen jump so it's not canon, Kishimoto only give them sujection for a few scene that doesn't make it canon
No i said that it having light in it’d name supports the databooks statement about ti being lightspeed in both creations.
I said mabui was stressed about the raikage not that the raikage was stressed.
That is a name fallacy. The Raikage not be stressed debunk Mabui
No the machine is not a speed feat that was automatical they did not use their own speed. Madara reacted to them after they came out of the jutsu as you could see sknce the light from the machine dissapeared. And that they do not have the reactions to come out of lightspeed and see madara when neither are stated to be lightspeed.
They use their own speed, it was never stated that Mabui jutsu give them a amp. The justu go at the speed od light. The light didn't dissapeard when Madara reacted to it. A attack him while the jutsu was on stop been dishonet
That doesn’t mean his organs died this can even be blood from the hit he took before hand, witch was an open Palm,
Four tails doesn't have organs they are just chakra.
I never said that his organs die, you are the one that said that he had no damage I prove to you that he had. The Four-Tails have organs naruto litteraly use the forg strike on his organs
No if you knew anatomy you would understand that a lung is much larger then a little spot beside the shoulder. And neither can you prove naruto can heal an entire organ.
It was not jutsu a little spot on his shoulder stop lying.
Yes people can survive when a lung is damaged because it takes time for them to clog up and die. Naruto healed this.
No proof. that was not my argument it was that his lung get destroy not only damaged.
Combat speed is not reaction speed you are mixing them. Prove minato reacting to jubito??
Tobirama was only able to react to a weaker juubito.
You only showed a scan saying that they needed to be able to use Jutsu and maintain chakra while in combat witch literally isn't combat speed.
That is combat speed, they enhance their speed in battle that is combat speed
It’ll wait you have to show me vs battle rules. Witch says the speed at witch a character can foght witch would be the speed of their punches and kicks etc. tobirmaa standing still and placing bombs on jubito with just his hands are combat speed.
That is the definition of combat speed in Vs Battle wiki
Combat Speed
The speed at which a character can fight.
Explain
If you have nothing to say i won this section
Explain what lol.
Wanna debate naruro being planetary then? Last time you ran away because i translated your fake scan. Even the first link to the novel witch popps up always said world and not universe. I strongly belive naruto is not stronger then planetary with the evidence i have and thefake translations iv’e been shown that you and many other belive are true.
You are just trying to change topic
It’d true that i would have the favour in bias even then if i would give you neutral people like dyss you would still not agree to the judgement.
I don't know anyone in the wiki, so all I have is you words and I don't trust you because you have prove that you are dishonest
No because you are not an official adaptation lmao.
It's not a official adaptation, by your logic all the Naruto Movie are canon.
Again i already explained how it can be used as canon material. Even then the same as what happened in the anime happened in the manga but it semms like you didn't look at the picture for the 4th time in this discussion.
You are just making your own rule and acting like you own the Naruto manga
In addition a tertiary canon will be allowed. The tertiary canon consists of official adaptations not overseen by the author, which do not modify or contradict source material. When other source materials give different versions of the same feat, and by that contradict the tertiary canon in the depiction of the feat, the others take precedence. And here as well, if the feat is correctly depicted over multiple canons any of these can be used to judge the feat. Should by judging the feat through primary or secondary canon a different result be reached than for tertiary canon the result of primary or secondary canon will have priority.
What you are talking about is just non canon, by your logic if i redraw the Naruto manga then that made my drawing canon, that is not how canoncity work,
To dig further anime is tertiary canon witch means it can be used as long as it doesn't contain new material etc
That is not how it work Kishimoto or shonen jump have to be part of it in order for it to be canon to the Naruto Manga
Prove to me that it’s not canon, i can use anime feats as long as they don't contradict the manga. I am also already using a feat that was the same in both.
The anime is not made by Kishimoto or shonen jump witch are the one who own the right to the original Naruto manga.
Naruto was able to react to the swing and not the beam witch expanded i even showed you a scan with direct lines witch you ignored. Lol
Not in the manga
Prove to me that it is a name fallacy. You haven't debunked that argument, mabui knows the raikage and she would not have had a stressed face if she already knew he could move at lightspeed. Even then he could have ran to the battlefield himslef witch would take less time then the machine but he didn't. Mabui thought he would survive only becasue he had a durable
You litteraly said that because it have light in it name that made it light speed. The Raikage was not streesed and the Raikage was able to move while he was inside her jutsu. Again travel speed doesn"t equal to combat speed
Your debating me who follow basic rules so people like tou doesn't make up things.
Moving in her machine only needs a durable body not to be able to move that fast themselves. They came out of the light speed machine before attacking madara even using basic knowledge if raiakge already was stated to only move close to lightspeed he would not be able to react to seeing madara before after the machine he was traveling with was finished.
It does't because the machine is travel at light speed. That is both a durability and speed feat, Madara even reacted to her jutsu.
Narutos internal organs wasn't shown to take dmaage from neji. Implying that his chakra wasn't gone for long enough for it to affect the organs. Luffy transferes his ap into the opponents body on a much higher scale not proven by naruto to withstand. Even the databook for frog strike demmed a attack similar to that luffy are using to be unsurvivable.
Naruto had blood in his mouth. Hinata almost die when she get hit with a lower attack than the one neji use against Naruto. The datook get debunked because even after Naruto use the frog strike on the Four-Tail he was fine.
Naruto has only been shown to regenerate a part of a lung not an entire organ. If luffy hit his heart for example naruto would have died on the spot because he has not been proven to survive such things.
He regenerated the entire organ sto been dishonest. People don't survive when they entire lung is destroy also.
And neither of those are combat speed. Reaction and reflexes is its own metric
Minato got blitzed by jubito while tobirama was able to react to jubito witch means even though minato has faster travel soeed then tobirama, tobirama proven himslef to be many times faster in combat speed
Those are metric of Combat speed i will give you the link. Minato get blitze only because he was emotinal because he was fighting Obito, once he focus he could react to juubito
And i will wait.
I already give it to you
No that is not combat speed you have failed to understand this concept, combat speed is not speed used in combat. If it was that then travel,reaction etc would all be combat speed witch it isn't combat speed is how fast you can punch, kick etc
I will give you the link on what is combat speed
And neither has it to combat speed witch you tried to prove. Reaction speed is always equal or faster then travel speed unless your name is kizaru.
You debunked yourself lol
Sez you, i literally explained combat speed. The most common misconception is that combat speed is speed used in combat witch is wrong as iv’e already explained above…
You are wrong
How am i dishonest when i translated FAKE fan translation used to get naruto stronger then he really is. It’s you that are dishonest when you are using fake fan translations to back up your arguments.
It's not a fake translation, it's just not official because the novel have no official translation. You are dishonest because You are debating thing that you don't even think that are true, you are just debating because you want to win and keep a reputation
Sure you are free to leave whenever you want, i think that it’d really clear who is winning this if you actually read thru your own responses
Of course most people in this wiki would be on your side you are a member of this wiki and have a lot a friends that are here
Nobody said this was a debate, this is just a simple discussion. If this was a debate both parts would have to agree.
You also said the anime was different from the manga when i literally showed you two pannels proving it wasn't
you are so dishonest those are not the same events. The anime screenshot that you show me didn't show in a manga panel
Yes it is 💀 It's secondary canon and since the panel barely showed anything we have to use the anime so that we can see it animated properly and see how it actually went.
That doesn't make it canon, you don't know what canon is. It was different from the manga. The anime have filler by you logic those filler are also canon
then I say that I didn't want to debate anymore,
it's me saying that i'm good with me argument
That's literally conceding, concede is synonymous to forfeiting or giving up. And that's exactly what you did.
That is what i said. it's not conceding bozo, i give my argument and said that i'm done. Also this debate didn't even have a jude are a time limit
I'm done debating with you. This debate is just going in cricle, This will be just a waste of time if this kept going on. You are dishonest and this debate have no jude and even if it have a jude they would be bias for you, so let close this debate.
Last time me and him had a discussion it was about naruto only being planetary it ended with me telling him to prove stuff so he left
I left because I have things to do in life, you are one the most dishonest person that I have debated
That is not conceding, I have give my argument then I say that I didn't want to debate anymore, it's me saying that i'm good with me argument
Another thing on combat speed, raikages punch when trying to blitz someone literally moves the same speed as his forward motion
You clearly don't know what is combat speed.
What happens in yhe anime is what happens between those two scans where madara launched the attack, anime is secondary canon and holds the same power as the databooks. It was shown in the anime that naruto was not able to react to the light and only the swing. In the manga the light hit the rod first and not naruto witch also supports my argument
The Naruto anime is not canon. Naruto was able to react to it and he dodge it.
No we already know that the manga says light fang, witch is probably the only attack witch actually has light in the name. I am not picking and chosing light fang was the only lightspeed statement after mabuis transfer contradicted everything that was stated before it.
That is a name fallacy. Mabui statement doesn't contradict anything. I already debunk that argument many times. You are picking and chosing.
Your basically saying that i can't use the anime when with vs battles standard it holds the same value as the databooks. if you want i can agree to not use it and then we have not a single lightspeed feat in naruto witch you have proven to me.
No it doesn't, also I'm not debating vs battle wiki i'm debating you. lol Mabui justu is stated to be light speed in the manga and the Raikage was able to move in it and attack Madara.
Luffy is attacking the organs on a much larger scale unlike neji who just presses the chakra points when he literally doens't even scale to boulder level at that point in the series.
The same semantics as before, they both attack the internal organs.
Based on the picture sasuke only stabbed the right side of his top part of his lung witch he proved himslef to be able to heal. My point is naruto has not been shown to regenerate more organs at the same time or more vital organs such as the brain and heart. Naruro has neither been able to prove him being able to regenerate a whole organ only heal one partly damaged
Sasuke stab his lung and Naruto regenerate it. The lung is a vital organs. He had regenerate a vital organ aka his lung.
Yes it does becasue if combat speed always was above combat speed then since the raikage has faster travel speed then minato would also mean that he has faster combat speed. Actually the raikage has really bad combat speed, he is just constantly being shown using body flicker to try and blitz opponents.
Minato can just have both the fastest travel speed and combat speed. It's stated by Cee that he use his chakra to enhance his reaction speed and reflexes none of those is travel speed
No it’d not stated that the shinobi uses chakra to increase their speedin combat, their speed in combat isn't even combat speed. In a fight you use almost every metric. Combat speed is how fast you can punch, kick etc
I will give you the scan
Show me a statement that says the raiakge is close to lightspeed/lightspeed in combat speed. It was only stated that he was roushing near lightspeed witch means it was his actual travel speed.
The contexte of the statement is when he use it in battle, the lariat is for battle aka combat
Your scan only stated that the raikage was able to have equal reactions to the yellow flash nothing had to do with combat speed. Tobirma placing tags on jubito is an example of combat speed where he only moved his arms.
Your reaction speed and reflexes have nothing to do with travel speed.
That was not his max speed he was holding back because of Killer
Proof plz?
A's max speed is when he try to punch KCM Naruto and he dodge it.
If you use as or like to describe something then it is a simile. In other words it doesn't mean that they're literally moving at light speed. It's just used to make it sound more dramatic.
My point is that you can say the same thing about Madara's jutsu
Also his combat speed isn't even FTL, it was stated to be nearly the speed of light lmfao.
That was not his max speed, he was holding back because of Killer B
Anbu aren't SOL, It's called a simile 💀💀💀
The databook loves throwing around "speed of light", it's obv a hyperbole.
So are you saying that Madara light fand wasn't light speed also, because the only prove that you are that they are light speed is the databook. You can't just pick and chose.
Bro thinks the raikage is famous for his combat speed and not his travel speed💀 raikage can't even turn around and hit minato who just teleported to his back.
It’s fairly obvious that he is at his fastest when running compared to his combat speed feats
Minato having a faster combat speed than him doesn't debunk anything. You have no prove for your statement. It's stated that Shinobi use chakra to enhance their speed in combat so combat speed. It's stated by Cee that he enhance his reaction speed and reflexes with his chakra that have nothing to do with travel speed.
Even if he was nearly lightspeed he could have traveled to the battlefield himself, he also did not make an argument about naruto not even reacting to light being shot beside him in his so6p form
Again travel speed doesn't equal to combat speed, in Naruto shinobi use their chakra to enhance their speed in combat. My argument is that you didn't show me the prove from the manga that Naruto was not able to react to it
Also showing me anbu members being able to move at lightspeed when literally so6p god amped double precog naruto couldn't even react to the beam flying by his head.
Again you didn't show a scan of the Manga od Naruto not be able to reacted it. The only prove that the jutsu was light speed came from the databook, the same databook that also sated that the anbu can move at light speed, so you are just picking and chose what you like.
Bro is comparing luffy full sized power durability haki extreme intense durability negation with part one neji pressing chakra points.
All of this is just semantics. I have show you scans that prove that they both are attacking the internal organs
@BetterCallKevin again that could be the raikage combat speed not his travel speed. Also It was not his idea to use Mabui's jutsu
@Sonofseagods The Raikage never use it one himself before that, that jutsu was only use the teleport objects not himself. He tell mabui to use it on him because he wanted to go with Tsunade. Also like I said there is travel speed and combat speed
@MomisOmams I didn't concede anything, i just said i'm done dedating, i have school I can't just not waste my time debating the same thing over and over again
Where are yours scans
A Full power A, madara and kcm naruto scale to it, Seal Tsunade and A literaly survive it and move faster than the jutsu
Luffy durability negation work similar to the gentle fist because they both damage the internal organs
That's not a argument
Naruto can resist durabilty negation, likey how he was fine after Neji use the 64 plams on him
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The eye of the tornado can go to the very center edge of the tornado
It was your claim that she wasn't in the eye
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