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What does this have to do with what I said? FTG was already completed and done by the same time he started working on the Rasengan anyhow.
That is my point Naruto was more focus on learning that rasengan than Minato, Minato was focus on his teleportation jutsu.
Doing this with one hand is not a requirement for mastery. You can take another path and still be exceedingly good at something. You are strengthening my point because it once again makes him ingenious, not sure where you got the mastery part from my statements.
To master then rasengan is to do it with one hand. And it take him over a months to do that. Him be ingenious doesn't make him not working hard. You said that he got the rasengan in 3 days something that is not true.
You're telling me.. in the time span of years... that he would not have at least the culmination of 72 hours. He would not have enough time for three days. And you fully believe this?
He was in a war dude and was on a mission to find a student. Also Naruto use shadow clones to help him traing harder.
Where'd you get the willpower spew from? Nothing in the wikia page says anything about it, and I'd trust them more without a scan to back that up.
This is my scan
So.. what? He still didn't master it, whilst Naruto did.
So naruto overcame his disadvantage with hard work to surpas Jiraya
??? That's not my point. He went in the mindscape, got blasted by Kurama, went out.
Without bee he would never know about the water cave and would have never master KCM
...And? That again, was not what I was talking about lol. If you want to play that game then Yamato doesn't actually help that much at all. The only time he actively suppressed it was when Naruto lost himself for a second, and even then in the manga it immediately faded a couple panesl later with Kushina:
Yes Yamato help him, he was supresing some of Kurama chakra the entire time
I just pointed it out for you. Bee said that Naruto's KCM reserves should have already been near depleted due to the Raikage fight lol, this happens even earlier in the anime (loses the cloak facing against madara iirc). An argument can be made for him doing it when he lost but given that he stops almost instantly after.
That is not my point my point is that that KCM could could kill him and Kurama was taking Naruto's chakra while he was in KCM.
How would being a natural at taijutsu affect the drunken fist in any way? He's geeked and has no idea what he's doing. This isn't a score.
That is my point only people who are natural at taijutsu can use the drunken fist so it have nothing to do with hard work.
We'll disregard all of the high tiers then and ignore 5KS Sasuke
5KS Sasuke was going blind if he kept using his ms
Genin were already working far harder than him when he became one, the only thing he has up on them in regards to training is perhaps Kakashi/Jiraiya as a sensei but that's once again nepotism and would not happen.
Headcanon. Name one genin other than Lee that was working hader than Naruto.
As shown in the screenshot, some Genin never get promoted at all despite them having vastly different strength and skill ceilings. Do you think Naruto is more disciplined than Might Duy? Perhaps Naruto would do 3000 pushups instead of Might Duy's 2000?
Promoted doesn't matter Naruto was still a genin in the war arc.
No way to prove he would, more to prove he isn't. He simply has more to lose if he lets Naruto die and he still sees him as his godson. No sufficient evidence to me that he'd let him fall
That doesn't debunk my argument, we know that Jiraya trust Naruto so he believe that he could do it.
Kakashi is more reasonable because they are all aware of the risks, have proven themselves (Kakashi already knows of Naruto's reverse summoning, the only one he'd have to worry about is Sakura perhaps). As long as you get to the finish, you can forfeit if you have too many injuries on your team's side, leading an even lower chance of death.
Kakashi go on mission with them, mission that could have them kill they are ninja dude. They are not kid, also they can't forfeit in the forest of death also even if they forfeit someone can still kill them.
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what are you on about?
About the fact that he was destined
On him, then? Naruto created more variations and jutsu than stars in the sky in that same amount of time, lol
Minato had to create the Rasengan while Naruto didn't. Minato had his teleportation justu while naruto had the rasengan, Naruto have many rasengan type because he focus on it.
Yes, precisely because he did not lack the talent to use it. That's ingenious; figuring out another method to get the same result. You are strengthening my point.
No i'm not, Naruto didn't complet the rasengan in 3 days he complet the rasengan in 3 years because he was only able to do it in one hand in the War Arc.
So years =/= 3 days? Saying that Jiraiya would not once have a culmination of 72 hours to himself in times of the Third War is egregious at best, and he still could never actually master it lol. Once again furthering my point.
To master the Sage Mode you need willpower and Chakra. Naruto was not able to use Kurama's chakra to master sage mode. Naruto just had more willpower than Jiraya. Alsi it's not egregious that he had less then 72 hours he was at war and he was on mission to find a student.
Only means that he was unable to gain the Toad's aid in battle like Jiraiya. Naruto had already mastered Frog Kata during his first battle using Sage Mode, which implies he mastered it in that amount of time.
That is my point Jiraya had a huge advantage over him
Killer Bee bailed less than 5 minutes in
Wrong, Bee help him with the water cave
Yamato kept him from going in control, and didn't actually help fell Kurama
So Naruto could not control it by himself
A case can be made for Kushina but I'm letting that happen since she's my second-favorite character.
The error in this logic here would be that Kurama deliberately got stunned (we figured this out later, too), he didn't try to conjure a Tailed Beast Bomb which would have baked the clones and him, and he was going to do it anyway, as seen with the "child of destiny" shtick.
Not true Kurama fail because Kushina save Naruto at the last second if not Kurama would have take countrol of him
At this point it's likely he would've been in critical condition before even reaching the battlefield, IIRC Bee said that fighting the Raikage like he did would've been dangerous for his KCM reserves.
Your scan prove my point that Kurama was taking his chakra
This doesn't debunk my point; in fact, it would further strengthen it. Lee himself is prodigious (not ingenious) because he nearly mastered the eight gates at a youthful age.
Lol you make no sense, Lee have the drunken fist something that he's able to do not because of hard work but because he's natural at taijutsu.
Do you not know what the definition of "ingenuity" means?
Yes i do
In Part 1, sure.
Also in part 2
Those aren't the jobber genin I was talking about. In the novels (itachi hidden, etc) and more it's implied that no matter how hard a Genin works in some villages, they're going to die anyway.
Naruto still work far harder then them and he would die if he didn't work hard
The average jobber genin will die in a hole with nobody to aid them because they aren't important to the story. This is the case with Nawaki, amegakure children, etc etc. That's why they're called jobbers-- their role is to die/lose.
They die because they don't work hard most of the time.
Once again you have taken my statement at face value and neglected my account. Jiraiya is not idiotic. If Naruto died, he would have killed his student's son.
That is not him be idiotic that is him trusting naruto he have to make him face real dead naruto is a ninja, Kakashi send team 7 to the chunin exam a place that they could die.
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Half true--half incorrect. It's the same thing with the other 2 "big three's" in which yes they worked for their power; but if they were destined to achieve the same fate anyway; well, what's the purpose?
That make no sense because the toad could see the future so that doesn't take anything from naruto
[was some kind of mega talented privileged genius]
This is precisely and what the characters say. Got the Rasengan down in three days as opposed to three years- got Sage Mode down in days, KCM in what, an hour?
It take Minato 3 years to create the rasengan not to learn it, Naruto learn the rasengan over a month and his rasengan was not complet he need clone to use it even after the timeskip. It take Jiraya years to learn sage mode because he was in war time. Kurama made it imposible for Naruto to use Sage mode he had to use clones to mase Sage Mode. He learn KCM because he had help from Killer B, Kushina and Yamato no on his own. Also if he use it for too long it could kill him.
Ingenuity still makes you a genius by many standards, and by the definition of the word, he's far more prodigious than the average jobber genin from anywhere else.
So by your logic Lee was also a genuis because he was natural at taijutsu. Everyone have strenght and weakness. Also Naruto work far harder than your jobber genin. Like Kiba, Ino and Tenten
There's no guarantee that Naruto was actually in danger of dying whilst trying to execute the Summoning if Jiraiya had more than half a wit, which most times he does.
He was still in danger, Jiraya push him to his death
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If the edge is used as a slicing motion where you drag it when it’s on the skin then it would be sharper then when you just fling it at someone.
They have slice thing with their swords before so stfu
The tip is always the sharpest and even a piece of wood can damage naruto characters
I have debunk this before, no prove that he was hurt by wood
I’m showing you how sharpness works, the way suigetsu did it would require much more force then the tip of a knife
He have slice thing withg his weapon before omg. you you concede yet fucking again you prove my point that the force is what matter not the how sharp is thw weapon
It was not stuck in his cloth, bothe the anime and two manga pannels prove you wrong and show blood. Ow means that he is hurt and the "ow" was shown when the manga zoomed in on his leg. It was clearly to show he hurt his leg saving naruto. When he pulled it out it was blood on it again as i have shown. You didn't debunk me, your debunk was that you cannot see blood when i have even shown hex colour differanciation to show you that there was indeed blood.
You saying that it's blood not gonna made it blood. Ow mean that he was in pain not hurt. the manga zoom in his leg because a wood was stuck in his cloth.
Not headcanon, why else would sasuke dodge kunai if they would not be able to damage him?
That is headcanon
The thing i explained goes with a swprd aswell, a sword is just a large knife. I have even shown people i do not know saying it is blood.
Again Suigetsu and Sasuke have slice thing before so your argument don't matter
The world being flat has been scientificcaly proven to be wrong, just as it did not get stuck in his cloth was wrong.
That is my point your prove that it's blood is you saying that it's blood that is a cricular argument.
I said i do not know him, it’s a random scaling server.
I have not reason trust you or know that you are not lying
You havent debunked any of my minato statements at all, i have shown multiple stuff that points towards it being blood and it being stuck in his leg
You have not, all you do it keep saying that it's bloo with nothing to back it up
Like i said stop wasting my time if you are so confindent that you win this than you should have no problem to stop i'm ready to stop this because i think that i win
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Two different ways of being sharp
Still sharp either way
The shapest part of a knife and sword is the tip. That is ehy japansese soldiers kills themselves by using the tip becasue it goes thru easier.
Baseless arguement again stop wasting my time bozo.
The charka cloak cannot be compared to a normal body, adult naruto was damaged by the same sword. And yes they can get damaged by sharp objects adult naruto got hurt by those white kids and got a sword in his stomach and minato got a wood in his leg
Naruto was damage because the enemy was stronger that is my point. charka cloak doesn't matter. Naruto never get hurt by those white kids or minato get hurt by wood.
The manga pannel showed the wood stuck in his leg with the "ow" beside it and the bubble pointing to the wood. You are in denial.
It was also blood on it witch i circled around
A wood stuck in his cloth not his leg. I have debunk your ow and blood argument many times.
That isn't a debunk, this is common sense. Sasuke dodging kunais proves he has to dodge them to not get hurt or else he would not need to dodge them.
Headcanon again
Suigetsus sword moved in a straight motion he did not try to slice when he was on obitos arm. You can hit yourself with a kitchen knofe but it will not damage you unless you slice it while it is on you
Suigetsu have slice thing with his sword before. Suigetsu is not using a knife he's using a sword.
There is red lol both on the manga and anime. I showed proof for both
Stop try to gaslight me
A judge has to confirm if there is or isn't something on evidence. You say that there wasn't anything red on it when both the manga and anime showed it. You are just not admitting it because then you lose. An unamped wood chip hurt minato.
I don't know this jude or his bias that he have with you. so he's opinion doesn't matter to this debate. you keep saying that it's blood is not gonna make it be blood.
Look at the tip there you can see blood
Here you can see blood again
There is clearly blood on it
If I keep saying that the world is flat that not gonna make it flat.
I agree to stop this debate because I'm just wasting my time we are just keep saying the same thing over and over again. idc about your bias jude that you know that i don't know. You have concede many point already. this debate is just because you are mad to I tell you to stfu you are too sensitive.
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Answer mye question, is the tip of the knife sharper then the side?
Doesn't matter both are sharp
The point of a knife has a less surface area then the whole side of a knife. You cannot compare them. You need much less force to break past skin with the tip of the knife. This is common knowledge.
We are not talking about knife they are using sword witch is mean to cut. Again you force argument doesn't matter because you said that they can get damage buy sharp weapom the sword is one also I have give you a scan of 4 tails Naruto tank the point of Orochimaru's sword.
It’s red lol? Both the anime and manga. He also said ow witch means it hurts
You saying that's red/blood doesn't make it that. Ow mean feeling pain you don't have to be damage to feel pain.
There was no users who used that wood to penetrate minatos skin.
You have not prove that this wood damage Minato.
Amping their weapons is more about breaking guards and different jutsu then it is to penetrate someones skin. Someone with a normal kunai can still cut thru the skin
All of this is just headcanon, I have prove you that they can amp their weapons and you have concede to it already.
Then i don't understand why you brought up that scan in the first place
To prove my point you are just in denial
Slicing the the edge of the sword is not the same as poking it with the tip. The tip needs much less force to damage someone. That is why sasuke is still dodging kunais in boruto
Again already debunk you before. Sasuke dodging kunais prove nothing
You know really well that there is red on that manga pannel and anime picture i showed you. You just don't want to admit it so you don't lose straight up.
Stop try to gaslight me it will not work
Let’s ask warlic for reference
Do you see or do you not see blood on this wood @Arcadia warlic
I'm not debating your friend
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Answer this first, witch point is sharper. The tip of a knife or the side of it?
Doesn't matter I have give you scan that they can tank sharpe attack
I showed it was a colour differnece at the end of wood chip, witch shows it entered his body. And that it was red on the manga. You think this is unvalid becasue you can't see it.
You are just trying to gaslight me. You have no prove that it's blood
A real life theory isn't headcanon. No that does not disprove the premise of sharp objects being able to damage opponents regardless of strenght.
Again so you concede that the strenght of the users that matter before I have prove to you that they can amp their weapons
Yeah it’s the users strenght not the weapon…
Again I have already prove to you that they can amp their weapons. Zetsu statement back it up.
Not a slicing motion. A slicing motion is for exmaple when proffesional "samurai" uses for cutting bamboo, they do not cut the bamboo completely straight otherwise it would not cut the bamboo. Suigetsu used a large surface area on the sword when hitting obito. And basically worked like a thinner baseballbat. It’s the surface area where the force is applied witch makes the difference. The thinner the stronger and is why needles pierces skin so easily
Both Sasuke and Suigetsu have slice thing with their sword before.
I showed you that the colour was red witch is blood omg. Being in any judge and they will gove me this point
Yeah I'm not gonna call a bias jude who is your friend to gaslight me also, all you have do Is say that it's blood with prove.
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I proved that there was blood on it by using the anime and manga.
No you didn't
My premise was "naruto characters can get damaged by sharpe things regardless of strenght" i can agree now that they can sharpen it. But it would not make a differnece in terms of piercing a opponent. As shown when much less sharp objects can pierce much stronger oppenents even though the small thing is much weaker witch is what supports the idea of naruro characters being able to get damaged by sharp things.
All this is just headcanon and baseless theory. Since you concede that the can amp their weapon I win thins debate
"The ordinary sharingan is still a weapon
And a weapon can either be strong or weak depending on the ability of the person wielding it." Someone throwing a shuriken might still lose to someone throwing pebbles because of skill. He did not say sasuke had more skill then itachi but that he exceeded itachis imagination. It is talking sbout skill not the strenght of the weapon, it is the skill of the wielder that is important
Why didn't you finish Zetsu quote he stated (So the point is their variance in strength. That Sasuke's talent exceeded Itachi's imagination so Zetsu is talking about his strenght.
Real life is not headcanon lol, slicing motion is not the same as what suigetsu did. If you take a piece of paper then hold the sharp edge of the knife agaisnt it and move it in a curved motion it will cut it much better then if you would slam that thing straight down with the sharp edge. Suigetsu also did not hit him with the curved sharp edge at the tip. It’s that curved edge witch gives better leverages for cutting. And is also why kitchen knifes isn't straight but slightly bend. If he where to only use the point of the sword it would have been much better becasue it’s a much smaller surface area. This is common logical thinking.
I have scan, both Sasuke and Suigetsu wre using slicing motion.
Not a baseless argument. You are in ignorance
Minato said naruto was not hurt (hurt being the context)
Minato notices his leg has been hit.
He says "ow" becasue it hurts
Ow definition means "used to express sudden pain" example was "ow! Your hurting me"
The anime showed blood
The manga showed blood
You can even see blood when he pulled it out and showed it.
Using those same argument again doesn't make it valid I have already counter those argement
There is clearly blood here. And it shows sharp things can damage naruto characters regardless of strenght
Again that same argument that I counter you can't prove that it's blood just because you said that's blood doesn't make ot blood
Just a very hostile way to start a discussion
You didn't answer
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There is a colour difference at the top of the wood and the bottom. I am not using appeal to popularity since the fact that there is an colour differance witch can be checked by taking samples of colours on a photo and checking the hex. It is not something that can be wrong and it therefor not appeal to popularity.
You have not prove anything you are just going in cricle
Amp the durability not piercing ability. As proven when wood can cut minatos skin.
Those are the scan that prove that they can amp their weapon
Yes that is what’s been stated, and i explained it. I never said sasuke has more skill then itachi. I said that sasuke is able to match itachi that well even with a normal sharingan becasue it’s not about the weapon it is about the user. Itschi also held back anyway.
If Sasuke is not more skill than Itachi then your argument is wrong. Zetsu didn't know that Itachi was holding back
Yes it does, lol he has a wood in his leg and said OW then the anime showed blood. If it did not hurt he would not notice it being in his leg. Your in ignorance as usual. That is not circular argument reasoning.
Baseless argument again, Minato is not blind he can see that something is stock in his cloth
You don't understand, grab a knife and hit it against your leg with the flat sharp surface, do not use a slicing motion but just hit it against your leg. It will not give you a wound. If you hit the tip of your knife against your leg it will leave a wound because of the small surface area. And yes it can cut your leg but you would need much much more force then with poking it. Suigetsu would be able to cut obito if he swung it faster. But he would most definetly put a hole in his chest if he used the pointy end of the sword. This is common physics.
Both Sasuke and Suigetsu are using a slicing motion. so you concede that it's the force that matter not the weapon itself. Also stop using headcanon
You can't possibly be that mad from the time i slammed you in that lightspeed discussion that you told me to shut up at the start of this discussion lol.
Are you mad because i tell you to stfu lol
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Everybody can see blood on that wood, or you would need to check for colour blindness (not joking)
That's a appeal to popularity
Characters in naruto can only amp the durability of their weapons. Or else sasukes weapon would snap when attacking so strong beings.
So you concede that the users can amp their weapons
Sasuke only had a normal sharingan and was not supposed to challenge itachi, but it’s not about the weapon it is about the user wielding it. In the same way a sword user with more skill could defeat someone with less skill even with a much weaker weapon.
That's not what is stated and Sasuke is not more skill that Itachi. Sasuke didn't even know about the izanami and izanagi while Itachi did and master them.
That proves sharp objects pierces people in naruto regardless of durability, that is just how it is written. He said "Ow" becasue it pierced him and it hurt lol. Your in ignorance again.
Ow doesn't mean that he was pierced or hurt you are using circular argument fallacy
As iv’e explained earlier that has a much larger surface are then a poke. I can hit myself with the sharp side of a kitchen knife without cutting open my skin, but i cannot hit myself with the tip of the knife without making a hole in my skin. This is basic logic. Sasuke would either need much more force to cut of his head there or try a more slicing motion
So you are telling me if someone slash a sword in your neck that you will take no damage wow you should try it because you are just making a baseless claim. You obviously don't know how sharp is a sword.
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You can clearly see blood, if not your in ignorance.
There is no blood I see nothing red.
It is talking about skill you just don't understand what he’s talking about. Your taking it way to literal.
So Sasuke is more skill than Itachi lol. nothing in that statement talk about skill it's about how you can amp you weapon just like we have see many characters in naruto do it.
He literally said "Ow" in the manga lmao
Ok and how does that prove that he was pierce
I have another scan for you
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@BetterCallKevin that statement is about strength not skill. You try to use the anime lol and I still see no blood. I already debunk you with the Obito scan
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@BetterCallKevin you have caveman logic, it's stated that a weapon is as strong as it user in naruto. Minato was not pierced by wood it was just stock in his cloth.
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@BetterCallKevin Zetsu have the abilities to fuse with others that are stronger than himself that is his hax
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Itachi fanboy lol
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His skill is weakened because he lack practice that doesn't mean that he's physically weakend.
