All posts by 25kBuda the 2nd
Brother you have high expectations; the wiki isn't as popular as other webbases and it's not going to be bustling with activity either.
Happy Birthday bro 🥳
Kakashi's last name would be Uzamaki, Naruto's last name would be Senju, and Sakura's last name would be Hyuga 👍
Himawari loses if it's non TBV Boruto, but TBV Himawari wins low diff.
Erased is about a person who has the ability to "reverse" time 5 minutes into the last accidentally, but he doesn't control it. It always happens when something off is about to happen and he needs to understand what. Eventually he goes back in time accidentally, but that's all I can say without giving too many spoilers. It's considered kne of the saddest animes.
Vinland Saga is about vikings, but it's really good and more than that. The main character becomes this sort of "seek vengeance" attitude and wants to kill a specific someone that took something from him. Idk how to word it without spoiling the entire plot but it's real good.
Cyberpunk Edgerunners is a very sad anime, but they got some rather... Umm... Mature 18+ content. It's not that seriously focused in the anime though, just brief for realism. But it's by far the best in the list compared to the others. One of the saddest animes too.
All good characters Tim 🤝
Demon Slayer (ofc)
Tokyo Revengers
Cyberpunk Edgerunners (only if you're mature enough)
Parasyte
Blue Lock (S2 sucks cus of the animation)
Classroom of the Elite (Very good manipulator series)
Dr. Stone
Erased
Vinland Saga
Dare I said One Piece 😭
Not really in order for the best (except for Demon Slayer) but these are all good watches. Don't watch Cyberpunk if you can't look at things you can't look at, but my personal favorites besides the best is Tokyo Revengers, Dr. Stone, and COTE.
@Tim Xman who's your favorite character?
^^These are common anime tropes.
Tsunade, mid diff.
Making a claim of "it wasn't straw man" and then continuing to dismiss yet another argument with no proof.
You're automatically presuming that Naruto is comparable or above Luffy in terms of speed if you "debunk" a small part of the scale, which isn't even logical as he'd still be faster regarding the rest of the scaling isn't solely based on that. You didn't even debunk properly as I refuted and rebunked what I said about it.
And yet I already debunked you on that. If it's already rebunked, you can't stick to "I already debunked you" if it got rebunked and refuted.
I already debunked you on the Naruto planet being infinite and that it's talking about the universe, you're not even debunking that ??
Vague point as you're trying to compare the two of the verses without elaborating further. (Association Fallacy)
You got debunked on this point and didn't even bother to rebunk your argument, you're just assuming your premise and claim is true here.
You're taking that out of context as it's an illusionary state and none of this even trails back to Naruto, this is a red herring to mislead the entire topic to one point. Even your point on it being a universe for debunked and shut down.
Genjutsu is enforced with chakra to make an illusion that's not real, that's the whole point of an illusion and you can't scale illusions to intangibility if it got dismissed with his eyes which cancels out illusions.
It is a Genjutsu and I already proved this, so have you proven this otherwise with evidence? No. Orochimaru brought him into a space which includes a Genjutsu around it to keep Sasuke's body still so Orochimaru could do xyz with him, that's why Sasuke was able to cancel it out with his eyes. And you're still assuming your premise must be true if it being a universe when it got debunked.
If it wasn't a Genjutsu, Sasuke wouldn't be trapped mentally in the space being unable to move. The technique is trapping your opponents mentally so that they can transfer the soul to the next host and you can't trap them mentally if it's not a Genjutsu.
Saw your previous message which just got taken down. This will be a warning to stop making off-topic posts or making absurd comments.
Trauma of a character who gets over it vs a beloved character who died and went come back... Answer seems clear.
Straw Man fallacy? I went into clear detail how most of your "scaling" was just talking about narrating the story and that the scaling you were doing was just in-verse, which even if you scaled the speed wasn't above anything what I showed.
Okay you did refute properly with trying to use the infinite Orochimaru AP (debunked) but as for the speed, the one piece scaling I showed made Luffy at the very least 1,000,000 turns FTL which you never showed sufficient speed for Naruto to surpass at all, so it doesn't justify your claim of Naruto cutting Luffy into two if he can't even tag him or catch up to him. At this rate Luffy just speed-blitzes.
I still never made the claim itself for using planets to scale Attack Potency and whatnot, I was just debunking you saying that the Naruto world is bigger, that was all. And you still haven't shown or proven why the scale and size of the Naruto world would matter for scaling Attack Potency.
I already debunked how it isn't infinite, all that's here is you restating your claim.
Severe milking from this scan here. It's a hyperbole and is talking about the universe itself as Hiruzen previously mentioned the stars which if it was talking about the earth itself, planets don't have stars, it's referring to the universe which can be boundless (as for any other universe in other verse). Yet even after these claims, you still haven't provided a reasoning why planet size scaling traces back to Attack Potency 😭
No one said anything about how good your argument had to be if it's impressive or not. You're just narrating the story and using in-verse speed scaling that has no relevance on proving how that's faster than Luffy or proving otherwise against Luffy.
They specifically talk about how it doubles, and then doubles a chain right after that allowing it to be calced as a square. And it's not used on Humans, but fish men who are sub-Human.
Dismissed it with his eyes. It's a battle between spirit with Orochimaru and Sasuke leading it to be an illusion. But more in depth, it's not an actual universe if it's a Genjutsu because as we all know, or should know, Genjutsu carry similar worlds when trapping people. Just like Itachi to Kakashi in part one where his Genjutsu works seemingly had no end to it.
Can you prove this? Same space directly debunks you in its universal size (not that it matters) and it falls in line with a scan that I just showed and it being an illusion.
You made a claim of the story hiding the premise, but did you prove this? No.
Okay, I'll wait for you to prove this? Most of what you've shown hasn't surpasses Luffy in attack potency or speed.
What does the size of earth have to do with Attack Potency ?? "Using similar logic" there's no explanation for using the size of earth to buff someone's attack potency and I didn't make that claim, so there's no logic to be had.
Orochimaru doesn't have an infinite amount of snakes and if he did, it would go on forever covering earth and the very universe, unless you'd want to argue the Naruto world is infinite which is illogical since we see it has an ending itself and has a universe to go with it as well. The scan itself contradicts itself by saying "as far as the eye can see" which beats the point of it being endless and there's only a cluster of snakes we see. It also has an exclamation mark which is used to further hype up its propaganda of it being infinite which is also linked to being a hyperbole. The whole scan is talking about how overwhelming it is while contradicting what you're claiming.
I didn't claim they double upon themselves but the effects do. The scans I'll provide have better insight on this.
This entire paragraph is narrating again and it doesn't prove Naruto being stronger or faster if you're proving feats and scales that are below what I've presented thus far.
As for Lodoba,
Orochimaru doesn't have a universe inside or not at least a physical one. It's an illusional universe and it's not real, that's why Sasuke was able to dismiss it with his sharingan because it's a Genjutsu.
Adding on to the Mud Dude, it's not the same when comparing it to Orochimaru because he's a logia type who's physical and intangible versus Orochimaru who's an illusion and wouldn't make him universal or upscale others.
Most of this is pretty irrelevant as you're telling a story and hiding your premise. You're not exactly saying how Naruto wins here and you're using underline feats like light speed which is still slower than Luffy, so maybe try to upscale that instead of just saying "Version 2 Naruto is faster than this" (summarized btw). If one uses One Piece logic, the One Piece world is far larger than the Naruto world could ever be...? Yeah, but anyways, saying they're superior to in-verse characters doesn't make an argument against Luffy, that's just the in-verse characters of Naruto themselves and doesn't solve anything.
As for Luffy scaling, I'll start with sharing the speed scale: https://imgur.com/a/luffy-speed-scale-yEJVRVI
For power, I'll be arguing for a minimum of low-ball Universal - Multiversal Luffy
Mud dude was able to hold infinite space within his mud mud fruit powers and their physical base since his ability is physical. He stated his space is infinite practically with the word Boundless which can be interpreted as never ending, while Luffy already slammed negative diff making him universal at least.
Now just for fun since we're upscaling Prime Luffy from thriller bark arc, Hody was able to react to Luffy and tag him meaning he's LS at the minimum.
"By the end of the fishman arc, hody took 30 energy steroids.
A drug which doubles all of the user's stats.
Now, since hody Jones is light speed in base, and the drugs double your stats by each one taken, this would mean hody is 1 billion times the speed of light by the end of the arc, and luffy was able to casually keep up with him.
Let's not forget to mention that in recent chapters luffy told kizaru he was 100x stronger than he was back then.
After all this, this would mean luffy is lowball multiversal and 100 billion times the speed of light if you scale properly."
@DefNotAWeeb Give respects.
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Why are we talking about country level Naruto and light speed Naruto...
Luffy's is MFTL+ and at least planetary. I could debate this against Naruto if there's actual good scaling going against this?
I was expecting a Canon Itachi as he doesn't have a "Complete" Body Susanoo, but now that you confirmed that, Itachi is going to slam this comparison. Possibly Edo Itachi or something.
Assuming the image you used has Itachi using a Perfect Susanoo, he'd slam no diff.
Without that though, he wins high diff.