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This is still going?!

Itachi looked pretty shocked that he broke it, and at least half of Zetsu barely believed it. So yea, it's not common. But it's possible to do.

The chakra Sasuke absorbed was just regular chakra, like how Kurama gave Kakashi chakra. It doesn't have a will or power of it's own, therefore it's not the juubi. Otherwise it would've reincarnated at some point and it didn't.

So no, even though what Sasuke did was do something akin to make a Juubi (as Kurama even specifically references this), it's not the actual juubi because it has no will/spirit/essence/ whatever makes a biju more than a mass of chakra.

When Kurama was split, each half was still called Kurama or the nine tails. Meaning, if the Juubi were split, each half would likely still be called the Juubi. Gedo statue was named by Madara, not Hagoromo after all (and since both halves had individual minds, Yin and Yang Kurama could've been called Bob and Steve just as much). So to some degree, that naming is artificial.

This is why Itachi used it several times on Sasuke, so he could get used to it and break out. It's made fairly clear that Sasuke is capable of breaking out, Itachi, Zetsu and the databooks point to this.

Itachi was holding back by not going for every obvious opening to murder his brother. The very opening of the fight has Itachi resoundly win the Genjutsu battle. Yet he doesn't move and just sits and gloats. But the jutsu he used were full strength. Itachi nearly breaks his cover by failing to dodge the Shuriken, indicating he was fully serious.

If the series contradicts itself, that statement is meaningless.

If you can't fathom that things obviously don't add up, that's your problem.

The logic shown by the series, is stronger than the logic told by the story. it's easy for Kakashi to say "you have 4x my chakra", yet when literally every other instance shows it makes no sense, then that means the Kakashi number is wrong, not every other instance.

Naruto's chakra is vastly greater than Kakashi's even with no Kurama interference. Naruto can make tons of Rasengan with no cost, even though it's origin and nature suggest it should be about as costly as a Chidori. Kakashi could make around 6, implying Naruto should be able to do 12-24 rasengan. Yet Naruto easily makes dozens of clones which in turn make dozens of rasengan. Kakashi can only make one shadowclone effectively, yet Naruto routinely makes dozens.

That's just basic Naruto. Not even talking about the fact that during that training he generates dozens and dozens of clones creating dozens of rasengan for literally hours on end, which puts it far ahead of the 100x multiplier Kakashi mentioned.

What the Manga shows us again and again, is that the 4-100x chakra figure is wrong.

And none of them kept the chakra. In fact, none of them even controlled the cloaks, Naruto did. None of them got permanent power out of that.

Just giving people chakra doesn't awaken power. Don't see Kakashi running around with a Kurama avatar, after all.

I think it's more that Madara had years of experience with the Susanoo, unlike everyone else. Itachi only used his power for emergencies. Sasuke hit the superpower jackpot before he had fully explored his capabilities.

If you have an EMS, you have effectively infinite chances to use Susanoo whereas with merely an MS you have a harsh limit on what you can do with it.

He also said he used knowledge of various people to use his Strange Transmission Distant Shadow technique despite obviously using their DNA and cells. It means the same thing. It's just that he's not randomly pumping Sasuke full of cells but rather that he's delicately using them to fix him.

Yamato doesn't heal without handsigns. Neither does Danzo. Both have his cells. Zetsu have almost non-existent wood release, and they have his cells. Given that Kabuto had access to zetsu and Sakura had access to Zetsu, i think it's clear that Sasuke got some of those weaker cells (since they also don't murder you when you run out of chakra), as did Naruto for his prosthesis.

Neither needs the power upgrade, making a weak but controlled injection (IE zetsu material) a far superior option to "gives loads of power but fucks you over when you have no chakra" IE the Danzo option (or any of the other 24-ish Yamato candidates).

Maybe i should clarify.

It doesn't give power *on the level of hashirama*. Yamato may have better healing, but it's not hashirama-level healing. Same with Zetsu not having hashirama-level wood release.

Yes he does.

Getting his cells doesn't automatically and freely grant all his power. Yamato has wood release but shows no god-healing. Zetsu show his healing but not a good wood release.

I'm not sure if "i'm so worthless a goddess considers me not even a threat, so i could get a hit in" is supposed to be a great sign of not being worthless.

She could see Naruto's and Sasuke's seals as bright chakra. She can sense Nature energy, of which Naruto has a ton, see Chakra, of which Naruto and Sasuke have a ton. So she likely was focusing on the two gigantic threats coming from either side and ignored the tiny chakra signature above her.

Note that she also ignored Kakashi, Obito and Sakura before. She just didn't see them as threats.

It can be removed or added like a prosthetic arm. I don't think Naruto literally cut off his (zetsu) arm in order to graft the absorbtion prototype on it.

So whatever it is, while made of hashirama cells, it definitely has components that allow it to be attached and detached like a prosthesis. Which may impede with stuff like Wood Release. It could also be just Zetsu cells (which, i might add, were studied by Sakura and are much safer than straight hashicells), which have almost non-existent wood release.

I think it's fairly obvious he couldn't go running around making huge forests, since that would be fairly detectable and it would paint a huge target on his back. The whole part makes it fairly clear that Madara was simply itching to try out the powers in actual combat.

Yup. He even straight up says one person shouldn't have all of the power.

Most often, directors and such have specific images in mind when making scenes. That means that often scales are intentionally warped to get a certain effect or shot. So it's not so much an error as much as it's intentional.

The thing is, it's not even really immune to THAT. Sasuke made his Susanoo impervious to IT's light, but waited inside himself as well. I mean, you can make an earth wall to defend against fireball jutsu, but that doesn't make YOU immune to fireball jutsu.

No. I'm using it to hammer home that we're clearly not being told everything, not regarding Biju or Chakra, and that Kishimoto's being unnecessarily vague about it.

Biju have souls, since Reaper Death Seal works on them. So that makes biju ... sort-of-Edo Tensei? There seem to be quite a few similarities between biju, Edo Tensei and what Obito and Dan did (IE a soul possessing a body willingly).

I think it's pretty obvious that the two types of chakra are separate things (one seems a fundamental, finite chakra type A which can generate chakra type B, an "essence" if you will. The other seems to be a chakra type B that cannot be multiplied by itself, is expended on use. A fuel for jutsu, nothing else. Biju seem type A. Chakra fruit seems Type A. "recreating Hagoromo's chakra to create Rinnegan" seems type A. What people received from Hagoromo seems Type A. What people normally use to fuel jutsu seems type B.

It doesn't really go against continuity though. It doesn't actively contradict previous explanations. You still need both energies to make chakra.

I missed a lot, apparently. *skims through posts* looks like i didn't miss THAT much.

The "cells i've studied" refers to the fight against Itachi, where he frequently uses similar terminology (e.g. "with study of Karin's cells, i can heal myself") even though he blatantly uses their DNA.

My theory is that both Sasuke's infusion of cells and Naruto's prosthetic are modeled after Zetsu. Zetsu have some form of wood release but it's so weak it's useless, yet still have quite strong healing. Kabuto got access to Zetsu when he offered to "upgrade" them to Obito. Would also make sense why he'd have access to those cells without being able to use it himself (only recently acquired), or without using Wood Release through his DNA technique.

Zetsu themselves are an interesting case since though they're mostly Hashirama DNA, they're still nowhere near his power.

Both states of matter still follow the same fundamental rules. Both forms of chakra do not. Even so, it makes no sense that this is still simply called chakra when they have such an essential difference in function. We have all sort of releases to indicate chakra taking on specific elements, we have senjutsu chakra to denote it has nature energy mixed in.

Yet they do not turn into infinitely powerful beasts. There seems to be a limit to how much chakra they have and how much they can produce. There's more going on than then merely being chakra.

Biju are stated to be pure chakra. Kurama is pure chakra. Kinkaku and Ginkaku ate Kurama's chakra-flesh, and so received his chakra. But that flesh is chakra. It's a distinction without a difference.