It states that naruto used all 9 tailed beast during his fight with momoshki, yet after watching the battle I fail to see it. Also if he did and he still didn't have truth seeking orbs after 10+ years, that confirms that they are permanently lost.
It states that naruto used all 9 tailed beast during his fight with momoshki, yet after watching the battle I fail to see it. Also if he did and he still didn't have truth seeking orbs after 10+ years, that confirms that they are permanently lost.
A possibility for beinging down the Gedo is to maintains the 10 Tails chakra.
Weird to think the translators missed a retcon, considering how much they like to talk about what theu translated.
Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4 wrote: @Legion Cause that doesn't make sense. They want to get rid of the Ten-Tails, there is no reason to undo the seal placed on it and pull it's body back from the Moon after just sealing it away.
Kaguya's power was too much too handle, and only Six paths: Chibaku Tensei could stop her. Once sealed, hagoromo can use Preta Path to drain it's power and eventually become it's jinchuriki. I mean, it's unlikely that Hagoromo just conjured Ten Tails Coffin Seal out of thin air. He also was the first Jinchuriki, which means he must've figured out you can be one in the first place. It's unlikely that Hagoromo just decided "hey let's seal this inside me" until he properly understood what it was going to do with him, and how he could do it safely.
What exactly he did with the Gedo statue isn't really clear, but it's possible he summoned it from the moon just to survive the extraction, then resealed it.
LegionZero wrote: A possibility for beinging down the Gedo is to maintains the 10 Tails chakra.
Weird to think the translators missed a retcon, considering how much they like to talk about what theu translated.
Okay, but Hagoromo created the nine tailed beast out of it's chakra in fear of it's chakra lingering and resurrecting after his death. After fighting against that gargantuan, ocean swallowing, land splitting, mountain carrying abomination, and finally being able to seal it away with his brother. Why on Earth would he undo the seal they created to summon it back into the world and merge it back with it's chakra? It doesn't even make sense at all.
Naruto's significantly weaker body can handle being the Jinchuriki of all of the tailed beasts, even when some of them were just chakra. I don't see why Hagoromo's body couldn't hold and maintain the chakra of the Ten-Tails within himself.
Thekillman wrote: Kaguya's power was too much too handle, and only Six paths: Chibaku Tensei could stop her. Once sealed, hagoromo can use Preta Path to drain it's power and eventually become it's jinchuriki. I mean, it's unlikely that Hagoromo just conjured Ten Tails Coffin Seal out of thin air. He also was the first Jinchuriki, which means he must've figured out you can be one in the first place. It's unlikely that Hagoromo just decided "hey let's seal this inside me" until he properly understood what it was going to do with him, and how he could do it safely.
What exactly he did with the Gedo statue isn't really clear, but it's possible he summoned it from the moon just to survive the extraction, then resealed it.
None of us know the exact circumstances, but we do know he became it's Jinchuriki and the only way to do that would be via it's chakra since it's body made the Moon. Hagoromo shouldn't need the Gedo Mazou to survive the extraction, he is the ancestor of the Senju and Uzumaki Clans.
Anyone remember Hashirama's regeneration ability? Karin's heal bite ability? Kushina surviving the extraction of Kurama? Naruto surviving the extraction of Kurama? They all got that strong life force and healing abilities from Asura, who was said to have inherited it from his father. Logically speaking, Hagoromo should have those abilities but to an even greater extent. He shouldn't need the Gedo Mazou to survive the extraction. Only Kurama said that he used the Gedo Mazou to survive the extraction, but based on the new story, he shouldn't have the Gedo Mazou at that point in time. Cause it would have already been used to make the Moon decades ago. So Kurama is wrong and he must have survived via his own extraordinary life force.
@Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4 @LegionZero I think the reason why Asura mode was similar to SPSM(the chakra avatar, along with TSB) is because he has Hagoromo's body(non-jinchuriki), since he is his son. This body has SPS(Six Paths Senjutsu) + Bijuu Chakra just like Naruto. I think Asura inherited a diluted form of Biju chakra and SPS(What Hagoromo has along with the Rinnegan), because Hagoromo is indeed his father.
I remember Hagoromo saying something like, "I gave one of them power(referring to making Asura the leader of Ninshu) and they fought, I have two of them power(referring to giving Naruto and Sasuke his chakra)and they still fight". The last thing I remembe him saying Asura and power, was when he was saying how Asura's power started to blossom
Despite the fact that I have been on this wiki for more than a year, I don't know how to make and/or add on to a talkpage. So can one of you guys add my argument to the Asura talkpage for me please?
@Saiya-jin4: naruto didn't survive that. He was going to die, his heart stopped beating, if Sakura didn't hand pump his heart he would have died. It would seem Naruto's Uzumaki heritage is a little too diluted to survive extraction.
Also, comparing 1 Tailed Beast to the culmination of all 9 is nothing. The 10 Tails dwarfs all the others. All of ots individual pieces put together. Its also not just Tailed Beast Chakra, its Sage chakra as well. Together with his old age seperating and releasing the chakra may not have been able to be done. Obito and Madara didnt fair too well after their extractions.
After Hagoromo created the 9 Beasts, Hamura and the clan wouldnt need to stay up there because the chakra wouldn't return to the body.
Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4 wrote: @LegionZero so it's impossible for him to have sealed it in the Moon later when it is the reason the Moon exist.
Madara could summon the Gedo from the moon without the moon collapsing. Hagoromo could've drained the Juubi of chakra first (see: sasuke) then once subdued enough summoned the Gedo from the core. Considering Naruto's chakra naturally merged with kurama's over time to improve his control, it may simply be that Hagoromo drained more and more chakra over time until he was strong enough to hold the entire Juubi. On his deathbed, he created the nine Biju then resealed the Gedo for safekeeping.
Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4 wrote: Apparently no one has noticed the retcon except me which is why I brought it up.
I noticed the change, but i think i also wrote a timeline that explains what happened. The Six Paths Chibaku Tensei was the only thing that could straight-up defeat the Juubi at the time, but it also seals away powers like the Rinne Sharingan. Without an ability to fight back, becoming Jinchuriki becomes a lot easier. Even a Reaper Death Seal was not enough for Minato to seal the entirety of Kurama. The Juubi was a lot more powerful than that. As i mentioned, hagoromo is the first jinchuriki, and he had to figure out all jinchuriki things on his own. Like the fact that you can become one in the first place. There's no exact timeline for what happened, but it may have been years before Hagoromo figured the jinchuriki thing out.
Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4 wrote: None of us know the exact circumstances, but we do know he became it's Jinchuriki and the only way to do that would be via it's chakra since it's body made the Moon. Hagoromo shouldn't need the Gedo Mazou to survive the extraction, he is the ancestor of the Senju and Uzumaki Clans.
Then why could the Rinnegan summon the Gedo Statue from the start?
I just want to add that the original merger of the Shinju and Kaguya had a power beyond just the Juubi. Far beyond. Kaguya's chakra was spread by Hagoromo, diluting the strength of the Beast. At some point, this unholy merger was weakened enough to become the Juubi as we know it, which WAS manageable. We don't quite know the power of the Gedo Statue, but judging that it can constrain the power of the Tailed Beasts, it's likely a formidable being in it's own right.
UltimaDude wrote: think the reason why Asura mode was similar to SPSM(the chakra avatar, along with TSB) is because he has Hagoromo's body(non-jinchuriki), since he is his son.
The reason Hagoromo became Jinchuriki was to use it's power for good. He used it's power to spread chakra, and by spreading it he would reduce the chances of Kaguya ever returning. By splitting the Biju he would not only reduce the chances of it ever returning, but also give it's pieces a chance to live their own lives, in harmony with humans. He must've somehow detected the presence of intelligence in the Juubi and decided to split that.
I actually wanted to reply to some more stuff but i think this post is enough of a text wall already
Hey, guys? Wanna get back onto the topic of this discussion, as stated in the OP?
If we could, that would be great.
LegionZero wrote: Well if we can figure out this problem then we can figure out the answer to the OP's..... Possibly.
If Kishimoto had done his job proper and actually made it clear what the hell was going on, we'd not be having this discucssion nor this thread. I'm afraid we're doomed to forever have these kind of threads where it spins out of control over the massive amount of stuff added in the last 100 chapters or so that wasn't explained proper.
As I see it, the only hint of Naruto using all the tailed beasts' chakra is when Kurama and Susanoo fuse. The Susanoo armor looks more like the tailed-beast-enhanced version than the perfect version.