Guys I have a serious doubt. Did Sasuke really marry Sakura? If he did...why did he leave? Da heck is wrong with him?! And what was that picture of his former Taka all about?! This is confusing!!!
Guys I have a serious doubt. Did Sasuke really marry Sakura? If he did...why did he leave? Da heck is wrong with him?! And what was that picture of his former Taka all about?! This is confusing!!!
Sakurakouji wrote: It's not a canceled out plot twist if stuff actually happens. What we perceived as a plot twist was simply a red herring used to help develop a character (ie. have Sarada's insecurities regarding family be resolved). You say cancel out, but that choice of word implies that the plot twist had no impact, which is what the person you've been butting heads with has been trying to argue.
When you say canceled out, it implies that you think the plot twist was pointless and did nothing. But we don't end where we began, because Sarada was changed by the twist, even if it turned out not to be real.
Without the brief moment of angst presented by the twist, you have Sarada who doesn't know how to feel about her family because she never gets to see her father. Her suspicions of her mother not being her mother stems from the fact that she doesn't really feel loved. You can easily see this from the fact that Sarada, while still resolute in her desire to save Sakura despite the now-false revelation of her lineage, questions her father over whether his feelings are truly connected with Sakura's or not.
I would actually argue that this was very smart of the author. Not because I believe it's brilliant writing or anything like that, but it allows him to have a more realistic Sarada. It would be strange to have her feel like nothing is wrong when her father is never home. So in order to resolve this without having to factually change that 1. Sasuke is her father and 2. Sakura is her birth mother, he introduces a mini-arc to help develop her and curb her of a reasonable insecurity.
First of all, the plot twist had no impact. But let's put that aside for second, because a plot twist is still cancelled out even if it causes a new scenario when you revert the situation. You twist a rubber band, your twist it in the opposite direction again, and you're where you were at the beginning, even if you hurt your thumb in the process. The only way a double plot twist wouldn't be cancelled out would be if the second twist brought in an entirely different solution as well. For example: Sakura is the mother, no it's Karin, no it's Temari. Going back to the original situation cancels the twist out though. No matter what happens inbetween. We'll be where we were and no step further. Now back to what has changed because of the twist. Nothing has changed. That was not a character development and that was not a story progress. Sarada learned that parentage doesn't have to be biological. A beautiful message indeed, just not one that concerns her. She is the biological daughter, so why would she learn to love her adoptive mother? It's like learning to accept the homosexuality of your son, although he is heterosexual. Or accepting the death of someone who isn't dead. Except that in my examples, the lesson can be used for other people too. If you can accept your son's homosexuality, even if he's heterosexual, you may be able to accept other people's homosexuality too. Or if you accept the death of someone who's well and alive, you may have an easier time processing the death of someone else. However, Sarada will always have only one mother. One biological mother. That will never change. What she learned from the situation was a lesson that even apply to her or anyone around her. It was completely pointless. The drama may have gotten her to meet her father, but its background was completely empty. Kishimoto could have very well just skipped the entire mother thing, made Sarada overhear that Sasuke is near town and do the story without the whole mother scenario. Because in the end, it was absolutely pointless anyway. It could have very well worked without the mother drama. There was absolutely no point to this. The topic of biological and non-biological parentage is something I had to go through personally, and the way Kishimoto handled delivering a message regarding that was to me more offensive than anything.
I thonk you missed the part where this isn't a suspense/mystery series. You are also missing the fact that the lessons learned don't have to apply to you or anyone but the character who goes through the experience.
When it comes down to it the author doesn't really care that you didn't take a lesson because his goal was to develop Sarada.
One could take the lesson that you don't have to come out of someone to love them as they were your parent. Which Sarada learned and won't magically unlearn once once someone tells her the truth.
Diablo- PC wrote: Guys I have a serious doubt. Did Sasuke really marry Sakura? If he did...why did he leave? Da heck is wrong with him?! And what was that picture of his former Taka all about?! This is confusing!!!
This was the reason for this thread. Matako doesn't get what anyone says to her so I'll just leave her be. Sasuke did Marry Sakura, it wasn't shown but I think he really did. He left due to the mission, Naruto wanted to be the one to do so but Sasuke insisted since Naruto is the Hokage and needs to protect the Village. I guess everything has been answered. Also, the doubts in Sarada has been cleared and she learned a lesson from Naruto. Now she dreams of becoming a Hokage.
KaizerBlazeX wrote: This was the reason for this thread.
Many thanks for your efforts for bringing this back on topic.
KaizerBlazeX wrote: Matako doesn't get what anyone says to her so I'll just leave her be.
This, however, unnecessary. Matako, like everyone else, is entitled to her opinion.
Now, let's stay on topic. And I am not asking.
KaizerBlazeX wrote:
Diablo- PC wrote: Guys I have a serious doubt. Did Sasuke really marry Sakura? If he did...why did he leave? Da heck is wrong with him?! And what was that picture of his former Taka all about?! This is confusing!!!
This was the reason for this thread. Matako doesn't get what anyone says to her so I'll just leave her be. Sasuke did Marry Sakura, it wasn't shown but I think he really did. He left due to the mission, Naruto wanted to be the one to do so but Sasuke insisted since Naruto is the Hokage and needs to protect the Village. I guess everything has been answered. Also, the doubts in Sarada has been cleared and she learned a lesson from Naruto. Now she dreams of becoming a Hokage.
Sasuke said himself that he is married to Sakura, but if he had not discovered a new threat related to Kaguya, he would not have left his family for years. He justified his absence because he suspected this new threat would bring harm to his daughter. He still traveled to seek redemption and Sakura convinced him to let her join him around the time she got pregnant. I guess because of his missions, he never posed for pictures with Sakura and Sarada, and Sakura had no choice but to use the Taka photo so that Sarada would at least know what her father looked like if he didn't come back any time soon.
How can Sakura easily forgive Sasuke for the hell, including two attempts to kill her, he put her through and feel comfortable enough to marry and have a child with him? And why did Sasuke suddenly reciprocate her feelings in chapter 699 after ignoring her and insisting he harbored no feelings towards her for so many years? It's a twisted love story.
Lilyxflower wrote: How can Sakura easily forgive Sasuke for the hell, including two attempts to kill her, he put her through and feel comfortable enough to marry and have a child with him?
I often like to imagine that she (and Naruto) suffer from battered person syndrome or something
Lilyxflower wrote: How can Sakura easily forgive Sasuke for the hell, including two attempts to kill her, he put her through and feel comfortable enough to marry and have a child with him? And why did Sasuke suddenly reciprocate her feelings in chapter 699 after ignoring her and insisting he harbored no feelings towards her for so many years? It's a twisted love story.
Genjutsu: rinnegan is pretty powerful apparently.
Naruto and Sakura realised how fucked up and misguided he was, so they forgave him. Sasuke did have feeling for Sakura, and he tried to sever those feelings. Same with Naruto. He still felt Naruto to be his friend, and for a long time to him that was his greatest weakness.
WindStar7125 wrote:
KaizerBlazeX wrote: This was the reason for this thread.
Many thanks for your efforts for bringing this back on topic.
KaizerBlazeX wrote: Matako doesn't get what anyone says to her so I'll just leave her be.
This, however, unnecessary. Matako, like everyone else, is entitled to her opinion.
Now, let's stay on topic. And I am not asking.
No what I meant is that she doesn't get what my opinion was even though others helped me explain but it doesn't really matter so I'll just let it be and move on to discussing more about what the thread is about.