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@BakumatsuWarrior They are still the water-downed version of the Senjus, since they are indeed weaker than them. But that by no means, means that they are weak
 
@BakumatsuWarrior They are still the water-downed version of the Senjus, since they are indeed weaker than them. But that by no means, means that they are weak
 
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They are only ''slightly'' weaker. "Watered-down" implies that their comparative weakness is significant, which was not actually the case (Nagato and Kushina). So that doesn't really justify Naruto's weakness compared to Hashirama. Lest we forget, Hashi and Madara were killing adult Uchihas and Senjus respectively when they were kids. And that was before Hashi was shown to use Wood Release. Naruto at that age had to fart aloud just to beat someone like Kiba. Even in adulthood, Hashi was in a totally different level. Kishi's greatest flaw with the manga was that he never gave enough room for Naruto to develop. It's sad really. Uzumaki Naruto's story is actually quite touching and had so much potential. Instead, Kishi decided to expand Sasgay's moveset during the beginning of Shippuden, and then at the end introduced monsters like Hashirama and Madara. Naruto, on the other hand, remained a one-trick-pony from beginning to end, relying only on rasengan and kage bunshin.
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They are only ''slightly'' weaker. "Watered-down" implies that their comparative weakness is significant, which was actually not the case (Nagato and Kushina). So that doesn't really justify Naruto's weakness compared to Hashirama. Lest we forget, Hashi and Madara were killing adult Uchihas and Senjus respectively when they were kids. And that was before Hashi was shown to use Wood Release. Naruto at that age had to fart aloud just to beat someone like Kiba. Even in adulthood, Hashi was at a totally different level. Kishi's greatest flaw with the manga was that he never gave enough room for Naruto to develop. It's sad really. Uzumaki Naruto's story is actually quite touching and had so much potential. Instead, Kishi decided to expand Sasgay's moveset during the beginning of Shippuden, and then at the end introduced monsters like Hashirama and Madara. Naruto, on the other hand, remained a one-trick-pony from beginning to end, relying only on rasengan and kage bunshin.

Latest revision as of 10:29, October 11, 2015

GreatestSin wrote:

BakumatsuWarrior wrote: Meanwhile her son (also an Uzumaki) can't do jack shit without Kurama.

to be fair, naruto is only 50% uzumaki :)

Well the other 50% of his heritage comes from Minato, who had such enormous chakra levels that he eventually became a Perfect Sage (his skills with Sage Mode are a different matter, though). And still Naruto couldn't do jack shit without Kurama right until the end of the series.

UltimaDude wrote: @BakumatsuWarrior They are still the water-downed version of the Senjus, since they are indeed weaker than them. But that by no means, means that they are weak

They are only slightly weaker. "Watered-down" implies that their comparative weakness is significant, which was actually not the case (Nagato and Kushina). So that doesn't really justify Naruto's weakness compared to Hashirama. Lest we forget, Hashi and Madara were killing adult Uchihas and Senjus respectively when they were kids. And that was before Hashi was shown to use Wood Release. Naruto at that age had to fart aloud just to beat someone like Kiba. Even in adulthood, Hashi was at a totally different level. Kishi's greatest flaw with the manga was that he never gave enough room for Naruto to develop. It's sad really. Uzumaki Naruto's story is actually quite touching and had so much potential. Instead, Kishi decided to expand Sasgay's moveset during the beginning of Shippuden, and then at the end introduced monsters like Hashirama and Madara. Naruto, on the other hand, remained a one-trick-pony from beginning to end, relying only on rasengan and kage bunshin.

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