You are claiming that Hagoromo can use this ability on pre-existing, already living, beings that already possess their own chakra beforehand to begin with(bet you won't understand this either) and you are STILL failing to see how that does not apply?? Why are you even still trying to debate this?? You literally just proved you have nothing to actually go on. Hagoromo has never been proven to alter another living being, he only TOOK chakra from ONE living being and literally CREATED another living being with it which btw is a chakra beast with what was called chakra flesh. Nowhere near the same as Naruto and Sasuke. Again Naruto perfectly tailored the Kurama chakra to each person yet they don't have that chakra anymore. Where is the evidence they don't have it?(do you not see how useless your argument is)

Yes, because Hagoromo is that powerful. He literally altered the entity of the Ten Tails into 9 separate entities, but it's somehow weird to think he could give a self-sustaining entity to someone? Lol aright.

Also "never altered another living being" that's false. He altered the Ten Tails. Into literally 9 other living beings. How is that less outlandish than the idea that he left his chakra in a self-sustaining manner to them?

Still debating cus it makes more sense than your theory.

Asura and Indra made their own chakras so self-sustaining that it kept being reborn in other Shinobi, and their father is more powerful.

No, @Ultima didn't. He just showed there's more to go on than your theory

Naruto is not Hagoromo, so the comparison doesn't work. He only made the chakra usable to each Shinobi, he didn't make it so it never ended.

Naruto and Sasuke's abilities have been directly attributed to Hagoromo's chakra. And abilities born from specific chakra don't stay with the user when the chakra is gone, there's already been multiple precedents of that.

In any case, isn't it stated that Hagoromo gave all his power to Asura, which was his mistake so he gave half to Naruto and half to Sasuke? What's the point of that whole parallel if the chakra doesn't even last?

So not only do you accuse me of having a useless argument (which the same can be said about yours), but you also question my intelligence. This simply proves that you have absolutely no valid argument here. It's pretty sad how the idea of Hagoromo simply giving Naruto and Sasuke self-sustaining pieces of his own chakra seems entirely impossible when he was shown to create creatures out of the Juubi's chakra. Like I've said multiple times now, the cases are similar and I have stated how. I've provided actual evidence while you have been providing speculation upon speculation to support your baseless claim and when you can't support your argument, you quickly move on to a new one. You also deliberately misrepresent my points. This is what you have done in the entire thread

As expected, you've made yet another bad argument. Have the war veterans displayed any chakra cloaks. Have they been shown to still be linked to Naruto? No, then they no longer possess Kurama's chakra;simple as that.

You can rage all you want (although, you really can't) and you can make as many unnecessarily complicated theories but, until you provide actual evidence to back them up, then they mean absolutely nothing. Since this has been for quite a while.....

Go ahead and ignore me then, I should have stuck to my guns and ignored you too when I said I would, because you aren't debating at all. You're just saying "I like my theory better because Hagoromo" with no actual evidence to cover the "possible" feat that he can make his own chakra ever lasting inside of a being that not only already exists and has its own chakra but is also a being of flesh and bone to begin with and if you think his chakra would be ever lasting and regenerate endlessly that's your own headcanon. Commence ignore the person mode.

More like "ignore argument mode"

I don't ignore the argument, I ignore people who can't actually argue. Half the time you actually do have some good arguments, he on the other hand just parrots what others say in a demeaning and sarcastic tone and does not know how to argue a subject and then he wonders why others take the same tone with him.

Not sure what the argument is anymore lol, but to respond to this topic in particular, we are now in Borutos world. Naruto & Sasuke aren’t the central characters anymore, so uplifting the kids is the route the writers are gonna naturally move towards. Sadly, what that’s meant is nerfing these guys in ways that are kinda lazy.

The original series didn’t do this stuff with the older generation then (Kakashi, Guy, Orochimaru, Jiraiya, the Kage, etc....) but we didn’t have any comparison points at that time either, so....

Dude even so what's the point of nerfing it. The Narutopedia "Naruto Wiki" says that Naruto is one of the "strongest of his time" which means they are going to nerf him just because boruto is now the main character. I mean SERIOUSLY. I get it but that is just plain stupid. (no offense to the creators of course) but I mean dude that just makes no sense. Nerfing them just means they don't care about naruto and sasuke, and if that is the case then why not have them in the anime in the first place... like dude.. And what do you mean about the old generation so what point does that do. Like it did to correct you. It did tell the past so that isn't so true... I mean the writers probably need common sense.. NOTE: NONE OF THE MEAN THINGS ARE MEANT AS OFFENSIVE THEY ARE JUST MEANT TO BE A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED.

I think it's pretty safe to assume they don't have the exact power Hagoromo gave them. After all, their marks (the power he was stated to give them) disappeared, returning to him.

As for the abilities they still have, obviously they're mutations. After all, Rinnegan is a Kekkei Genkai. Which means, Sasuke's DNA went through a mutation after getting Hagoromo's Chakra. Since a kekkei genkai is an anomaly of the DNA. It's not like Sasuke got Hagoromo's Rinnegan, he has an entirely different one that was awakened when he got the Chakra stated to be needed, to awaken it.

There is plenty of evidence showing this. The marks that symbolize Sixth Paths Yin and Sixth Paths Yang, disappeared. Naruto's Sixth Paths Sage Mode's eyes went back to their normal coloring after the war instead of the yellow he had when he had Hagoromo's Sixth Paths. Naruto's form also looks different. Sasuke has a unique Rinnegan with it's own unique abilities.

@Flat, just try to understand. To awaken a Rinnegan, you need Asura & Indra's chakra or Hagoromo's chakra directly. Sasuke still has his Rinnegan, according to the latest chapter in Boruto. Now looking at all your views, here is what I think. Just look at Pain(Nagato). He had a Rinnegan transplanted from Madara. He didn't have any of the chakra from Hagoromo or anyone did he? Same with Kakashi, he retained the Sharingan implanted into him. Now about how it's retained in Sasuke and Naruto and why it just didn't disappear from them like Kakashi lost the chakra of Obito. The reincarnations are not just having the chakra, they are also blessed with the life forces of Indra and Ashura/Hagoromo and that's how they are able to regenerate it. This is just a speculation, any criticism accepted.