After implantating any sharingan which has awakened the mangekyou, the user can use those specific mangekyou techniques. Kakashi could use Kamui, Madara could also use Kamui, danzo could use the kotoamatsukami. So why can't/hasn't Sasuke used tsukuyomi or the totsuka blade. EMS Sasuke was good, but not that powerful, with the above mentioned abilities he might have been more powerful.
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LegionZero wrote: As for Tsukuyomi, i dont know. Maybe Sasuke just sucks at it so he never uses it.
Each Mangekyo has two abilities other then the susanoo, Itachi's is Amaterasu (black flames) and Tsukuyomi, sasuke's abilities is Amaterasu with his left eye and he can shape the amaterasu with his right or vice and when I was watching the anime, nothing said that when he transplanted Itachi's eyes that he would get his abilities it just said that it would never dim and it was strengthened. i might have missed something but I don't think I did
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KakashiHiden99 wrote:
LegionZero wrote: As for Tsukuyomi, i dont know. Maybe Sasuke just sucks at it so he never uses it.
Each Mangekyo has two abilities other then the susanoo, Itachi's is Amaterasu (black flames) and Tsukuyomi, sasuke's abilities is Amaterasu with his left eye and he can shape the amaterasu with his right or vice and when I was watching the anime, nothing said that when he transplanted Itachi's eyes that he would get his abilities it just said that it would never dim and it was strengthened. i might have missed something but I don't think I did
This true, but dojutsu transplants gave the reciever the abilities of the eyes they recieved but i guess EMS is just different
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LegionZero wrote: It doesnt record it, it corroborates it. The databooks repeating what he said isnt proof that he knew everything about beforehand.
It states actualities.
I never said it was an assumption, i said it was a conclusion. Usually one comes to a conclusion after analyzing the data at hand.
And you reached here by misunderstanding the meaning of "no wonder" which you interestingly didn't rebut here. Also what does this conclusion prove for your argument really? let's assume he did make the statement from observation, what does that prove? the statement was proven to be true, so what's your point here?
Why do you keep saying he said it was impossible or could not be done? Those words are literally not written on the page
Dunno man, it's hard to imagine team konohamaru waltzing around with YM and TB. He wouldn't state it's properties made it unfindable for nothing.
So spirits and souls can be interacted with...
...But not a spirit object? How are their properties different exactly?
Clearly all souls or things described as souls don't behave the same. Naruto could see and touch his "soul", after the edo tensei get's released "souls" can be seen flying up, but when neji died no one saw his soul did they? when Itachi died Sasuke didn't see his soul but saw edo Itachi's. The fact that Zetsu said "spirit" and still had to say "no physical form" proves my point. The reaper god can only be seen by those who are about to be killed by it but can't be seen by others which is justifiable. So now the totsuka blade should also be different, it being stated to have no physical form makes it different from WHATEVER Nagato was pulling from Naruto as that was clearly palpable.
So spirits can interact with humans but not vice versa because.... you said so? Even though Naruto did exactly that?
Chill all i did was prove the flaw in your logic.
I didnt say anything about merging. A biproduct of one of Orochimaru's jutsu causes the soul of his host soul to be trapped within him, so a spirit-chakra construct can certainly obtain a spirit weapon
Ok so what are you saying then? he pulls it from the cave, now how does it end up in susanoo, keep in mind it can't be touched as stated in CANON and not HEADCANON. Show me cave, show me cave, show me anything that canonically supports your argument. Can't, it's all in your head.
It shares all those things by connecting spirit energy through chakra. The manga states this
Are you now claiming anyone can get the weapons now using their chakra? you're making zetsu seem like an idiot, ever stop to think your are wrong yet?
Also @Cyberian made some nice points, good luck with them:
- I can show you the jutsu squirting out of his eyeball. You can't show me the cave he found it in.
- It could be transferred? But, Itachi didn't transfer it to Sasuke, the person he was deliberately trying to give power to? Most likely because it can't be transferred, because it's a jutsu, not an object found in a cave.
- Orochimaru looking for legends doesn't make SoT separate from Itachi's doujutsu.
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Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:
He wouldn't state it's properties made it unfindable for nothing.
Im not going to bother debating this with you since you insist on putting words in character's mouths and on Kishimoto's pages
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Well look who's talking lol..
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CyberianGinseng wrote:
I can show you the jutsu squirting out of his eyeball. You can't show me the cave he found it in.
That's an easy argument to make tho. Orochimaru's Kusanagi Sword vomits out of a snake in his mouth. Yet, we don't consider that to be Orochimaru's invention.
CyberianGinseng wrote: It could be transferred? But, Itachi didn't transfer it to Sasuke, the person he was deliberately trying to give power to? Most likely because it can't be transferred, because it's a jutsu, not an object found in a cave.
Itachi made plans for Sasuke to obtain his eyes, so that Kotoamatsuki would take effect.
CyberianGinseng wrote:
Orochimaru looking for legends doesn't make SoT separate from Itachi's doujutsu.
Didn't Zetsu mention that Orochimaru was looking for the TB for a long time? Two conclusions can be drawn from that: 1) The TB is a separate item like the Kusanagi sword. 2) Orochimaru wouldn't search for something that can't be found.
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Orochimaru's sword has an existence independent of him. We've seen it lying on the ground. Show me SoT's independent existence. Show SoT lying on the ground. You can't.
Itachi made plans to advance Sasuke's Sharingan. He actively told him to seek Mangekyou. That was to make him as strong as possible so that he could believe that he could kill Itachi and be strong enough to survive anything. He could program Koto to activate under any circumstances he wanted. He certainly didn't need to rely on Sasuke having his eyes. It's asinine to believe that the only reason he wanted Sasuke stronger was so he could Koto him.
Any number of conclusions could be drawn from that such as 1) Orochimaru was looking for a legend he didn't understand and 2) Orochimaru mistakenly drew the same false conclusion that you did, because Oro is known for making all sorts of mistakes, like attacking Itach twice.
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CyberianGinseng wrote:
Orochimaru's sword has an existence independent of him. We've seen it lying on the ground. Show me SoT's independent existence. Show SoT lying on the ground. You can't.
It has been shown lying on the ground but it has also been shown to have a telekinetic connection to Orochimaru, so even if it isnt always in his hand it is metaphysically linked to him. One could argue that since we only see it come out of him and its unique connection to him then that means it came from him
"We never seen Itachi without Totsuka" is a poor argument. Many characters have items that never leave their person but we dont assume it was spawned from their being.
There actually is stuff that is spawned from people's being that they can lose
Im still not sure why it anyone considers it came with Itachi's Susanoo if it recorded in old legends.
CyberianGinseng wrote:
Itachi made plans to advance Sasuke's Sharingan. He actively told him to seek Mangekyou. That was to make him as strong as possible so that he could believe that he could kill Itachi and be strong enough to survive anything. He could program Koto to activate under any circumstances he wanted. He certainly didn't need to rely on Sasuke having his eyes. It's asinine to believe that the only reason he wanted Sasuke stronger was so he could Koto him.
He was covering all of his bases. IIRC he programmed Koto for the specific scenario of Sasuke choosing to stand against Konoha
CyberianGinseng wrote:
2) Orochimaru mistakenly drew the same false conclusion that you did, because Oro is known for making all sorts of mistakes, like attacking Itach twice.
It interesting that you call it a false conclusion when nothing proves it false
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CyberianGinseng wrote: Orochimaru's sword has an existence independent of him. We've seen it lying on the ground. Show me SoT's independent existence. Show SoT lying on the ground. You can't.
As @Legion has stated, that argument doesn't mean much. But, the TB has been called a variant of the Kusanagi snake sword, which indicates independent existence.
CyberianGinseng wrote: He could program Koto to activate under any circumstances he wanted. He certainly didn't need to rely on Sasuke having his eyes. It's asinine to believe that the only reason he wanted Sasuke stronger was so he could Koto him.
Except that's what happened. Itachi planned for Sasuke to take his eyes and planned for koto to be used when Sasuke used Itachi's eyes. I don't know what point you are trying to get at for saying otherwise.
CyberianGinseng wrote: Any number of conclusions could be drawn from that such as 1) Orochimaru was looking for a legend he didn't understand and 2) Orochimaru mistakenly drew the same false conclusion that you did, because Oro is known for making all sorts of mistakes, like attacking Itach twice.
I don't see how a conclusion of "Orochimaru making a mistake" can be drawn from searching for legends. If a legend exists apart from Itachi, then why would searching for it be impossible? And the TB being a variant of the Kusanagi snake sword, means it can be found.
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