What do you think is the reason why Jinchuriki Ten-tails only takes damage from Senjutsu?
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LegionZero wrote:
ReweR 1331 wrote:
Okay, can you explain it the way you see it? Since I have no wiki, no manga, no data book to answer these questions.
They dont say it out right, you just have to look at the patterns and compare statement/feats/showings
ReweR 1331 wrote:
1) how is 6 paths senjutsu different from SPSM? Both are essentially chakra 6 paths + natural energy
One is a mode. One isnt.
ReweR 1331 wrote:
2) what role do Tailed Beast for 6 paths senjutsu / SPSM play? Madara talks about 6 paths senjutsu Naruto and we (readers) are clearly shown the back of Naruto, where there are 9 magatamas and the sign Rinne. In a conversation with Hagoromo, this sign also appears when he mentions that he shared the chakra of Ten-tails. In the last sign only appears after the Ten-tails are sealed. We're clearly told that the Tailed Beast/Ten-tails chakra is linked to 6 paths senjutsu.
The juubi is a massive source of 6 Paths chakra and nature energy.
For Naruto, the Tailed Beasts provide him the cloak and their individual chakra and abilities. They can also gather nature energy, or at least Kurama can
ReweR 1331 wrote:
3) wiki says the SPSM user can use 6 paths senjutsu. From SPSM, 6 paths senjutsu appears. You wrote me that it is possible to have 6 paths senjutsu without SPSM
Yes it is. It is what Madara, Obito, and Hagoromo use
I dont understand why it is so hard to understand that SPSM is not the only form of 6 Paths Senjutsu
1) yes, SPSM is a mode. How do I reach SPSM and 6 paths senjutsu status? In what way is it different?
2) The sign for Tailed Beast is shown on Naruto's back as part of 6 paths senjutsu, according to Madara. It's not some additional enhancement, it's part of his 6 paths senjutsu.
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ReweR 1331 wrote:
1) yes, SPSM is a mode. How do I reach SPSM and 6 paths senjutsu status? In what way is it different?
It different in the same way that Juugo's senjutsu is a different than Naruto's Sage Mode.
Or how the sound 5 and Sasuke had Senjutsu through the curse mark but not Sage Mode
Or how Gamakichi used Senjutsu but not Sage Mode
They are different, not sure what kind of answer you are looking for.
ReweR 1331 wrote:
2) The sign for Tailed Beast is shown on Naruto's back as part of 6 paths senjutsu, according to Madara. It's not some additional enhancement, it's part of his 6 paths senjutsu.
Yet Naruto uses 6 Paths Sage Mode without the marks on his back later on in Boruto.
Madara conflated the mark of the Bijuu and Six Paths Senjutsu because he didnt know how to achieve SPS without them
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LegionZero wrote:
ReweR 1331 wrote:
1) yes, SPSM is a mode. How do I reach SPSM and 6 paths senjutsu status? In what way is it different?
It different in the same way that Juugo's senjutsu is a different than Naruto's Sage Mode.
Or how the sound 5 and Sasuke had Senjutsu through the curse mark but not Sage Mode
Or how Gamakichi used Senjutsu but not Sage Mode
They are different, not sure what kind of answer you are looking for.
ReweR 1331 wrote:
2) The sign for Tailed Beast is shown on Naruto's back as part of 6 paths senjutsu, according to Madara. It's not some additional enhancement, it's part of his 6 paths senjutsu.
Yet Naruto uses 6 Paths Sage Mode without the marks on his back later on in Boruto.
Madara conflated the mark of the Bijuu and Six Paths Senjutsu because he didnt know how to achieve SPS without them
How is it different? What makes it different?
The wiki says that sage transformation is just one way to enter sage mode. That is, in fact, Jugo also uses sage mode. I don't know why you come here when Naruto and Jugo have a difference in getting sage mode.
And I never found any information in the manga that 6 paths senjutsu should somehow differ from SPSM.
SPSM allows you to use 6 paths senjutsu, as SM allows you to use senjutsu. Modes are like the basis from which you can use something else. It is like Sharingan and Izanagi, with Sharingan you can use Izanagi. Your statements sound like you can use Izanagi without Sharingan - use 6 paths senjutsu without SPSM / another mode which is 6 paths senjutsu. That's... silly...
Then why did the sign appear in the war?
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ReweR 1331 wrote:
How is it different? What makes it different?
Beats me. They just are. No specifics are ever given to explain why they are different or what it does different. Just that Naruto has it and Madara/Obito/Hagoromo dont
ReweR 1331 wrote:
The wiki says that sage transformation is just one way to enter sage mode. That is, in fact, Jugo also uses sage mode. I don't know why you come here when Naruto and Jugo have a difference in getting sage mode.
Good on the wiki, but that is not stated/shown in the manga/databook.
The admins just put it there because the databook says it makes Juugo a sage. Not that he enters/activates Sage Mode.
ReweR 1331 wrote:
And I never found any information in the manga that 6 paths senjutsu should somehow differ from SPSM.
The fact Naruto has SPSM and Madara/Obito/Hagoromo dont. As listed by the databook.
ReweR 1331 wrote:
SPSM allows you to use 6 paths senjutsu, as SM allows you to use senjutsu. Modes are like the basis from which you can use something else. It is like Sharingan and Izanagi, with Sharingan you can use Izanagi. Your statements sound like you can use Izanagi without Sharingan - use 6 paths senjutsu without SPSM / another mode which is 6 paths senjutsu. That's... silly...
Wrong analogy. Its like the relationship between dojutsu and Sharingan. All Sharingan are dojutsu but not all dojutsu are Sharingan
All SPSM is SPS, but not all SPS is SPSM
SPS is a general term for Six Paths Chakra+Senjutsu. 6 Paths Sage Mode is a specific "form" of SPS
Kinda like how Senjutsu can refer to Hashirama's Sage Mode, Naruto's Sage Mode, Jiraiya's Sage Mode, Juugo's Sage Transformation, Orochimaru's Curse Mark transformations
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LegionZero wrote:
ReweR 1331 wrote:
How is it different? What makes it different?
Beats me. They just are. No specifics are ever given to explain why they are different or what it does different. Just that Naruto has it and Madara/Obito/Hagoromo dont
ReweR 1331 wrote:
The wiki says that sage transformation is just one way to enter sage mode. That is, in fact, Jugo also uses sage mode. I don't know why you come here when Naruto and Jugo have a difference in getting sage mode.
Good on the wiki, but that is not stated/shown in the manga/databook.
The admins just put it there because the databook says it makes Juugo a sage. Not that he enters/activates Sage Mode.
ReweR 1331 wrote:
And I never found any information in the manga that 6 paths senjutsu should somehow differ from SPSM.
The fact Naruto has SPSM and Madara/Obito/Hagoromo dont. As listed by the databook.
ReweR 1331 wrote:
SPSM allows you to use 6 paths senjutsu, as SM allows you to use senjutsu. Modes are like the basis from which you can use something else. It is like Sharingan and Izanagi, with Sharingan you can use Izanagi. Your statements sound like you can use Izanagi without Sharingan - use 6 paths senjutsu without SPSM / another mode which is 6 paths senjutsu. That's... silly...
Wrong analogy. Its like the relationship between dojutsu and Sharingan. All Sharingan are dojutsu but not all dojutsu are Sharingan
All SPSM is SPS, but not all SPS is SPSM
SPS is a general term for Six Paths Chakra+Senjutsu. 6 Paths Sage Mode is a specific "form" of SPS
Kinda like how Senjutsu can refer to Hashirama's Sage Mode, Naruto's Sage Mode, Jiraiya's Sage Mode, Juugo's Sage Transformation, Orochimaru's Curse Mark transformations
Are you saying that we just don't know the Jinchuriki Ten-tails and Hagoromo modes? If so, I agree.
Since for me your statements sounded like SPSM Naruto and 6 paths senjutsu are not the same, but different techniques / methods, when for Naruto it's all the same.
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ReweR 1331 wrote:
Are you saying that we just don't know the Jinchuriki Ten-tails and Hagoromo modes? If so, I agree.
Pretty much.
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LegionZero wrote:
ReweR 1331 wrote:
Are you saying that we just don't know the Jinchuriki Ten-tails and Hagoromo modes? If so, I agree.
Pretty much.
What?
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Its kind of a way to say "yes"
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Squinty97 wrote: ...What?
Tobirama mentioned he was using nullification now, which is why Minato's arm didn't regenerate. But Hiruzen and Tobirama himself regenerated earlier from being obliterated by TSB. That means the nullification isn't an inherent part of TSBs.
@Rewer you never responded to this message here
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LegionZero wrote: Its kind of a way to say "yes"
Hey. I just remembered a nuance. Earlier you suggested that changing the shape of TSB is due to the use of water properties / Water Release. But after reading the data book again, I found information that says that the shape change is due to the fact that TSB consists of a dense / concentrated chakra.
⬆⬅ Because the high-density chakra is in a condensed state, it can be pulled and stretched into a smooth and flat consistency, as well as freely manipulated into any other shape.
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