IMO Itachi wins, Flying Thunder God can be dealt with by Itachi. Well, most likely, lol. This isn't exactly a Canon fight.
IMO Itachi wins, Flying Thunder God can be dealt with by Itachi. Well, most likely, lol. This isn't exactly a Canon fight.
FTG is part of Konoha's history, Tobirama invented and used it, and then Minato used it. It is what earned him the Nickname Yellow Flash. Itachi has studied everything about Konoha, from its techs to its shinobi to its history. He also knew all about Orochimaru's Hydra techniqe and his replacement shedding skin jutsu, and even that the jutsu took a large chunk of chakra from the user. You underestimate Itachi's studious ability on others jutsu, especially someone as famous as the Yellow Flash.
FlatZone wrote: FTG is part of Konoha's history, Tobirama invented and used it, and then Minato used it. It is what earned him the Nickname Yellow Flash.
And your point is? Also, doesn't the databook attribute Minato's nickname to the body-flicker technique?
It is a tech known to 4 of Konoha's kage guards too, who were alive and around during Itachi's time as Anbu etc. Considering how Itachi was and what was stated about him, it would be out of his character to not know of the jutsu and how it works.
FlatZone wrote:
Considering how Itachi was and what was stated about him, it would be out of his character to not know of the jutsu and how it works.
That doesn't mean Itachi must know the inner workings of Minato's use of FTG.
He would know how it generally works, and in battle it won't take him long at all to figure the rest out. His saying is "every jutsu has a weakness" and he is a master at finding and exploiting the weaknesses and he does it very, very fast.
Ninja Of War wrote: @James
Your post is sensitive because all I did was suggested Minato can use FTG:second step off the bat. Then you accused me of being biased and downplaying. You and @Asian have opinions on my posts and that's fine, and it's easy to see what you want to see, but at the end of the day all I did was suggest something Minato can do. And you lashed out because of it, so yeah, very sensitive.
You're the only one being sensitive right now. That's not all you did either. Let's break it down.
Minato throws a marked kunai at Itachi's head, Itachi dodges and prepares fire style or shuriken, Minato use FTG: second step to attack a preoccupied Itachi. Itachi's only option at that point would be to use Susanoo to defend, but depending on how close Minato is, that might not be effective.
Itachi's only option? Why is it you gave him that and only that option when that shouldn't have happened in the first place? Why is Itachi allowing the kunai to come at him when he can easily deflect it? Why isn't Substitution which Itachi has shown to use, not an option? Why is Itachi even preoccupied? Heck, Itachi can cast Genjutsu without eye contact, why hasn't he used it to slow Minato down?
Let's be generous and say Itachi escapes due to Susanoo. Minato learns Itachi is an Uchiha, with MS. Itachi is on the defensive, clock ticking on stamina. Minato knows he needs to land a physical hit on Itachi to win, while Itachi knows now that Minato is too fast to be hit by his long range attacks.
Generous, lol. Yea, that isn't a clear example of you downplaying Itachi by implying he should be dead in Minato's first attack (sarcasm). Why hasn't Minato looked at Itachi's eyes once? Why is it just now that he realizes he's fighting an Uchiha when likely the Sharingan has been active since the beginning? Why is Itachi just being idle and being on the defensive? He has plenty of Genjutsus to cast. He has a Flicker and clone to substitute himself out. He has even Mangekyo abilities to try to use if youw ant to get extreme and he has the intelligence to force someone as intellectual as Kabuto (who might very well be the second or third smartest person shown in the series after Itachi and maybe Orochimaru) to do what he wants. Yet, he's just being idle and allowing Minato do what he wants when he wants. Yea, clearly not downplaying him (sarcasm).
Minato scatters his marked Kunai, Itachi tries to memorize each location, but can't pinpoint which one Minato will pop out from. Itachi uses Amaterasu as a feint on Minato while actually burning up all the marked kunai.
If Itachi already knows he can teleport to them as you implied at this point, and if he uses Amaterasu to cover the terrain in fire to burn away the Raijin, how does a thrown Kunai even enter? How does Minato even see or sense Itachi when Sage Kabuto couldn't? Why does Itachi just stand there and wait for Minato's next move? Why hasn't Itachi even tried a clone feint yet? Why hasn't he tried Genjutsu yet? Or better yet, why hasn't he just flickered away from the area instead of wasting Chakra on Amaterasu? Why even waste Amaterasu? Why not use a Great Fireball to blow away all the Kunai and use that to clone feint? Why is he doing these pointless things and not even trying to see what works and what doesn't work and being the tactical genius that he is known and shown too be? Clearly not being downplayed here... (sarcasm)
Minato uses this opportunity to use FTG:second step again to get close to Susanoo, and use guiding thunder to warp it away. Itachi engages the free falling Minato mid-air, which Minato blocks and FTG's away. They both back off from each other, Itachi analyzing the situation, before being stabbed by Minato's kunai, after which he sees a FTG mark where Minato made contact with him earlier.
Well for one, when has it been shown that Guiding Thunder can choose what it warps away and what it doesn't? It isn't FTG, so FTG's feats aren't it's own. Just like Rasengan feats aren't Rasenshuriken feats. We also see that guiding thunder is a barrier that warps what passes through it as shown in 502 where you can clearly see the ttb going through it entirely instead of making contact with just the front end of it and then being warped entirely. So clearly a made up ability you gave Minato. Moving on... Not only will he not be separated by his Susano'o by this method, but you even said he would actually press Minato in mid-air despite (knowingly according to you) being slower than him physically? Cause Amaterasu and Genjutsu aren't in his arsenal right? Shuriken aren't, right? Itachi is so dumb he is going to push a character faster than him in mid-air with no safety, who can teleport and leave him stranded in mid-air and easy to kill? Totally not downplaying him (sarcasm).
Lol, I didn't even say in my scenario that Minato beats Itachi. Logical fallacy man, don't use it.
Lol, then what's this?
End scenario.
You literally said it's the end of the scenario. There's nothing else that transpires after Minato supposedly stabs an idiotic version of Itachi with relative ease according to you. That's clearly an implication of Minato winning.
It's not about sensitivity. I already stated from the gecko that Minato has an advantage over Itachi. You just clearly downplayed Itachi into doing not only nothing offensive, but even the most idiotic things possible and allowing him to be controlled by Minato, meanwhile overpowering Minato up with abilities he isn't shown to have. Not too mention, it becomes clear when a discussion moderator and someone on YOUR SIDE agrees and says it's a downplay of someone's abilities. You didn't just say Minato uses ftg 2nd step and I got offended. You said Mianto does all these things and Itachi does nothing but fall into Minato's trap with relative ease while wasting Chakra, using nothing he is known to do or even tries to be offensive, and not even being smart about what he does. Like who is dumb enough to jump mid-air to attack someone faster than you, who can also teleport and leave you stranded in mid-air? Lol. Hilarious.
^I rest my case, note: using sarcasm in each of your replies doesn't render you superior. You can argue with yourself if you want, I certainly don't mind.
@Asian and I don't have to agree on everything, at least I respect @Asian's posts enough to not attack @Asian for it.
Also, check again what a scenario is, you seem to be very upset with mine, yet it's only what can transpire. Chill out, and try to get thicker skin.
I use sarcasm and talk like this to everyone. You aren't special too me. What you say isn't special too me. So there's nothing for me to be upset over. It's also not about superiority, it's about pointing bad statements out in a blunt fashion, because that's what I do. I'm also called a jerk for it which i'm totally fine with.
But let's say I was upset or sensitive. Your point? You still downplayed him. I'm still not the only one who said you downplayed him. So you achieved nothing.
I'm pretty sure if I was upset or sensitive, I'd probably go look at the rules and look for a way you violated the rules. Cause I'm pretty sure something about name calling and such is on there. But seeing as I honestly don't really give a shit and just enjoy debating and pointing out bad statements, that's not likely to happen.
In any case. Is all you got for rebuttals to me destroying your scenario is your upset or your sensitive? What are you even trying to do by saying that? Trying to get a rise outta me? Not happening, so quit wasting your breath.
So instead of going off topic about sensitivity, how about you give a rebuttal? Because the proof is in the pudding. You downplayed Itachi, and others seen it too (are they sensitive too?). So what exactly did I do wrong by pointing that out? Nada. How does me questioning some stupid things that Itachi did in your scenario, make me upset? That's the logic that makes me use sarcasm.
Anyways, your scenario is bad due to the reasons stated above. If you disagree, prove it.
Whoops, I didn't realize the thread got this long. Too long for a thread, create a continuation if you wanna continue. But closing this for length.