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If the founder of Narutopedia chose to take the US spelling from "encyclopedia", then by whom and when was it decided that everything in-wiki was gonna be written in English English? I for one don't get the rationale. All official translations, and most unofficial translations of Naruto are done in North America. Take Sasuke's Paw Encyclopaedia for instance. Are we not unnecessarily giving it a different name than the one Viz gave it?--Karunyan (talk) 17:10, May 26, 2013 (UTC)

The site did begin in US spelling, way before I joined. Later on, when the site had much more content, there was a split, and both spellings were used, even through the same article. Long story short, active members at the time discussed it, in the interest of picking one spelling to be used consistently through the entire site, and ending the revert wars that happened over which spelling to use. People arguing for UK spelling prevailed. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:43, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
The translations don't really have anything to do with the wikia as I've mentioned before, they don't influence our actions. The community simply decided to use English UK in the documentation of the information based off the arguments which were presented.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 17:51, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
British English is more classy anyway.--Elveonora (talk) 17:57, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
It seems more formal doesn't It --ROOT 根 (talk) 18:04, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
I've seen all the arguments before, and I've no issue, personally, with using either, or. I was born and raised in Palestine/Israel. My first languages were Hebrew and Arabic, and only later started learning English (GB). So there's a lot of things I type/write, such as colour, centre, etc. Though I did move to the states when I was 13, and so I also mostly use (maybe about a 2/3 ratio) that is English (US). That being said, I think the only argument that matters and the only one we should care about, forsaking all others, is who the larger audience is. I don't know what the ratio is currently, but the last discussion of this, Dan was told by staff that the ratio was 10:1, with the United States having the largest audience. As for either being more "classy" or formal than the other, that's unfounded and false. --Taynio (talk) 18:13, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
British English is the original one, thus proper. No need to Americanize everything in this world, is there it? T_T--Elveonora (talk) 18:20, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
It not proper because it is the original (of which, it isn't the original). It is not proper for any reason. Your baseless assertions are frivolous and ignorant. There's so many other things I want to say, but I'm quite ill, and it's taking its toll on my mind. But if you're making that assertion and also from the UK, and meaning them in earnest, then you're very ethnocentric and uneducated, like the whites in the KKK, or, to just throw in Godwin's Law, Hitler. If you meant them in jest, then you should keep such nation or culture bashing out of the wiki, as is general practice for public places on the internet.--Taynio (talk) 18:50, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
Interesting, I'm ill too. No, my intent wasn't to bash any nation. But I'm certain that English Language has Germanic origins, thus it was first. Anyway, it's irrelevant, don't get all angry over minor things--Elveonora (talk) 18:56, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
What the hell is going on here? So people who prefer UK english are equal to racists and nazis? I am not from any english speaking nation either, but I don't give a damn what english we use, if I accidentally write something down in USA english, somebody else corrects it, SO WHAT? It is english after all, making such a big fuss about it is ignorant as well since you can't accept UK english just as the others can't accept USA english. I don't get this whole case at all... (talk) 18:58, May 26, 2013 (UTC)

Are people really being likened to racists, and a man who nearly committed mass genocide? Over the fact that we add the letter u to words as opposed to forms? The community at large either decided to use English UK because they thought the wiki would be better off for it, or, like myself, we didn't care because we either used both styles to write or else can use the "spell checker option" available here. You're not doing anything to help the case, accept it change the filter and move on.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 19:05, May 26, 2013 (UTC)

She think I'm a nazi. Interesting, because in case someone hasn't noticed, I used both US and UK English randomly whenever I feel like it, or even both at once in a single text interchangeably, so the theory is false. There are only 3 things I have a problem with when it comes to America and they can be applied to any other part of the world too in case you are curious, nothing to do with its existence. The part about British English being more classy is just my opinion and it was meant to be humorous, not provoking, not to mention being against Americanization and hating the country are two different things.--Elveonora (talk) 19:11, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
Taynio what nonsense are you talking about, don't even mentions racists or offensive stuff here, many people on this wikia are from many different countrys, I am black so just stop with this yes Its a forum, and the answer has already been solved by omnibender and cerez so don't carry this on --ROOT 根 (talk) 19:14, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
I'm also against Americanisation of the series, simply because it does not belong to that culture. For that reason I cannot stand to read MS translations and as bad as they were, I did like the SF manga scans.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 19:16, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
I am doing no such thing as comparing anyone to a violent, criminal-esque syndicate or a mass-murdering, delusional mass-murdering psychopath. If one would had comprehended what I actually said, I was referring to the ethnocentric and uneducated beliefs that those people believe they are superior to others, of which are claimed to be inferior. And claiming one dialect of a language to be superior is in fact ethnocentric, as are many other things, such as asserting that America is inferior, by extension of that assertion. One is hard pressed to find a lower level, well-known example of ethnocentrism, so I opted to find the ones that were at the forefront of my mind at the time. I did not in any context or manner claim anyone to have the same values, but spoke on the uneducated factor that those individuals I referenced had. And being black is irrelevant. I am an Arab (Mizrahi Jew, technically), of who lived in Israel, and you can imagine why I left when I was 13, and am 27 years old now.
Preference being ethnocentric? Not at all. But asserting that it is superior, and meaning it in earnest, is ethnocentric. And not, to reiterate, I made no such claims that it meant one was violent like those I mentioned, but rather ethnocentric and ignorant. Do take notice I did not mention anyone on this wiki was violent like them, but that to truly mean anything said, despite now being known as a joke, is is uneducated and bigoted. --Taynio (talk) 19:32, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
How about everyone focus on the argument at hand (British English vs US English) and not the evils of racists, Hitler, and Americanization please? Thank you.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 20:14, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
That can be done. As for myself, I was simply trying to refute a (now known as a joke) comment about a certain English being proper, therefore better and should be used. That being said... What are the opinions about the majority audience of the wiki? I don't know the stats presently, but, as said earlier, Dan (I think around the latter half of 2012) said it was 10:1, quoted from the Wiki staff. I think it's a non-issue, personally, but I figure I may as well discuss. My opinion, if going by the points of arguments, would be for the majority audience who come and read.--Taynio (talk) 20:45, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
I've mentioned it before, and I'll mention it again, I'm ultimately indifferent as to which spelling is used, but I'm against making a change again, there has been enough flip-flop on this issue. If using the UK spelling means I have to change my spellchecker when I'm in this site, so be it, bargain price to pay for ending all the edit war over spelling that used to happen. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:30, May 26, 2013 (UTC)

What is this UK English crap? Why aren't we speaking Murkan? General Awesomo 04:20, May 27, 2013 (UTC)

Awesome job at making yourself completely irrelevant to this discussion, General Awesomo.
Anyway I'm with Omnibender, I could care less but I would rather not have to do this crap again.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 11:18, May 27, 2013 (UTC)
It was a joke, lighten up. As for the discussion, I'm fine with UK English. Even though, in my opinion, it does seem weird at times. E.g., mechanised, realise, and the like. General Awesomo 23:38, May 27, 2013 (UTC)

How about Narutopaedia?

First of all, you can't ignore the translations. We do mention the English TV phrases on just about every article. And we mention the (American) English voice actors. And don't we name anime episodes after the official translations? Look at the logo. "BELIEVE IT!" is a remnant of the Viz translation that has nothing to do with "tebayo". So you can't say the translations don't influence the wiki in any way. IMO neither is more classy or proper than the other. Just like you argue that UK English is "original", anyone can argue that the original airing of Naruto/Shippuden happened in US English and hence that is more "proper". Also, what do you mean the series doesn't belong in US culture? It doesn't "belong" any more in European or Australian culture. Can you get ramen anymore in London than you can in LA? And there's the thing about audience as well.

With all that said, I concur with Omnibender's point about keeping it status quo. Even if there's a miracle and we can unanimously agree for US spelling, the moment we start changing things, there's gonna be a Great Revert War. But I am a sucker for consistency. So, how about a vote for redesigning the logo to say "NARUTOPAEDIA"?--Karunyan (talk) 04:03, May 27, 2013 (UTC)

The name, spelled as is, and the slogan stays. Please stop creating such a big deal out of something so trivial. I've already tried to explain to you that more than simple spelling Narutopedia- spelled like that, is a brand, whereas the articles are totally up to the editors etc to decide what language style is used in them, the name of the wiki is essentially set in stone. It's akin to you going to another country and the natives tell you that your name is spelled incorrectly.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 11:45, May 27, 2013 (UTC)
A brand? What brand? Where? It's not set in stone. If enough of editors here agree, I'm sure it can be changed too. Even the title on my browser says "the Naruto Encyclopedia" not "Encyclopaedia". That's a little too inconsistent for my taste. As for the slogan, I'm fine with it. I only brought it up to point out that official translations are not irrelevant.--Karunyan (talk) 07:11, May 28, 2013 (UTC)
While I appreciate the underhanded way at which you wanted to get your message across, the name stays as is. It has no baring on the rest of the discussion, it is a name. I would focus my attention on the previous discussion.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 12:33, May 28, 2013 (UTC)
Fine. Although, what do you mean underhanded? And forget about the name itself. But can we at least change it to say "Narutopedia, the Naruto Encyclopaedia Wiki"?--Karunyan (talk) 03:41, May 29, 2013 (UTC)
You mean in the MediaWiki:Pagetitle?--~ UltimateSupreme 08:34, May 29, 2013 (UTC)
Yup.--Karunyan (talk) 15:13, May 29, 2013 (UTC)
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