- Hiruzen is not a user of this technique for several reasons:
a) This technique is anime-only.
b) This technique does not contain any mud.
c) This technique launches a single pebble at a time, Hiruzen's technique launches chunks of rock.
d) There was a launch time period on this technique, that isn't the case with Hiruzen.
e) It was agreed not to use placeholder techniques for natures, unless it's blatantly obvious.
(This message is mainly for Koto Senju)--Omojuze (talk) 12:55, June 18, 2015 (UTC)