Talk:Genjutsu

Confused

I dont understand what is genjutsu, can it kill you? the only way to escape it is "Self-Inflicted pain?" because that is real pain, not like genjutsu pain that is fake?

Genjutsu is illusions, so as far as we have seen, they can't kill you or cause pain, (only make the victim think they are in pain or tied up or something else), although Tsukuyomi is said to be abel to cause real damage to a person without Sharingan, (although that has never been seen). Genjutsu is caused by a enemy that manipulate the victims chakra, which causes the illusion. If the victim can't shut off his chakra, he has to hurt himself to get back to the real world. Jacce 06:21, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

The only instance where Genjutsu was used to kill someone was in the filler episode arc where a clan woman had a kekkei genkai that boosted her genjutsu to a ridiculous extreme, allowing her to kill people with Genjutsu. Omnibender 12:25, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, I wouldn't say the only time, honestly Genjutsu is a tool just like all other jutsu, it may not directly injure you, but it makes someone insanely vunerable. There have been plenty of points in the series where someone used Genjutsu to blind a person's senses and then attempted to attack them directly. ~NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) ^(talk) current discussion Jul 17, 2008 _@ 17:11 ^(UTC)

Genjutsu

when trapping someone in a genjutsu, it makes the opponent experience non-real things but does that mean that the opponent is unconscious in reality? btw, if this is true, can the person who casted the genjutsu do whatever they may want to the unconscious person while they are unconscious? --75.3.231.166 (talk) 00:01, December 30, 2009 (UTC)

Usually, the victim just freezes. With extremely powerful genjutsu, such as Tsukuyomi, the opponent can be sent into a coma.--Enoki911 (talk) 02:27, January 23, 2010 (UTC)

Shadow Clone

Genjutsu has no effect on clones (or at least till after it is dispersed back to the user), should be mentioned. Simant (talk) 03:10, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

Didn't Itachi give his power to a shadow clone (via genjutsu)? ~SnapperTo 03:23, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

I'm referring to demonic illusion burning paper body versus Kakashi, and what Itachi said was the reason it would have no effect. What shadow clone did he give power to via genjutsu? Simant (talk) 03:26, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

I was referring to this since it wouldn't make sense for the actual Naruto to be out searching with his shadow clones. Looking at Kakashi v Itachi, I think Itachi is remarking that he didn't expect to catch the real Kakashi in a genjutsu and so concluded it was just a shadow clone. Whatever the case, the shadow clone does seem to be affected by the genjutsu (minus "OMG mind hax" exclamations), so I think I'm missing something. ~SnapperTo 03:42, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

I thought that naruto's shadow clones found itachi and the real naruto went to investigate, i'll re-read. Simant (talk) 03:51, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure the real naruto ran into Itachi, otherwise he wouldn't be having a flashback about what to do when facing the sharingan, he would charge in, not really caring if he was one of his clones. Also judging by how many clones he had nearby, he probably was using them as a screen. Simant (talk) 04:48, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

Still, Kakashi's clone was affected by the genjutsu. So, clones can be affected.--Enoki911 (talk) 02:25, January 23, 2010 (UTC)

Actually, unless the scantalators royally botched the translation, Itachi does state the genjutu does not affect the shadow clone because it is a shadow clone. It's true that in a way, Kimmimoto does draw it as though Kakashi's clone has fallen prey to the Demonic Illusion: Burning Paper Body Technique, he also gives definitive evidence to the contrary. To begin with, one of the effects the Demonic Illusion: Burning Paper Body Technique has according to the databook it is featured in (that someone chose to delete from the Narutopedia page on the jutsu) is to cause the target to lose their dexterity (so they can't form seals or grip things like weapons very well). Kakashi is clearly indicated by Kimmimoto to still retain or possibly increase his grip on Itachi with the SFX "grab" on page 10 of chapter 260.

"Burning Paper Body" has no databook entry. At all. ~SnapperTo 03:58, November 6, 2010 (UTC)

How it works.

I am still a tad confused on how it works, so I was hoping someone could clarify. It is like this though, right?

The victem is captured by one of their senses (something they have seen, heard, smelled, tasted, or touched) and then it spreads to the rest of their body to infect the rest of the senses. Since the mind "knows" what is happening to it even when the concious mind knows the truth (i.e. no in a wasteland with strings around arms and flesh melting off), it makes the body feel the pain the user is sending, and if it too much for the mind to handle (like with C) it just shuts down rather than face it. Perhaps the chakra in the mind is even the cause of the weariness (C still had trouble afterwards). Thomas Finlayson (talk) 05:59, July 13, 2010 (UTC)

The caster uses their chakra to attack one or more than one of the senses that you listed. It may not necessarily "spreads to the rest of their body to infect the rest of the senses" but causes one to malfunction creating a handicap that the opponent is not used to. The body reacts according to what it sees or it's senses are perceiving and acts accordingly so pain etc will be felt unless they can break out of it. And C body didn't shut down, i'm pretty sure Sasuke knocked him out with the genjutsu him being unable to move was an after effect of whatever genjutsu Sasuke placed on him --Cerez365 (talk) 13:25, July 13, 2010 (UTC)

When Shikamaru was fighting that Sound Four girl, the "sound" made him see something else and feel pain they do not expect. Other examples too. What I am getting at is how they feel pain and see/feel other stuff when an unrelated sense is being affected. How would an illusion just make C not move (not sense related) unless his brain just shut down to get away from it? Thomas Finlayson (talk) 00:31, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

I think it is not only the things you pointed out. Genjutsu afflict a person's mind. The user uses their chakra and technique to control an aspect of the victim's, as Jiraiya explains to Naruto when telling him why he's not cut out for it (it requires an insane level of chakra control and intellegence). So while you said Shikamaru "heard" something, and that put him in the genjutsu, it is not only that. For instance, when Itachi uses genjutsu they victim does not always "see" anything (I would say they make eye contact, but Itachi used Ethereal(sp?) with just pointing a finger and created a visual illusion. So, I would imagine you do not need to necessarily see, smell, touch, taste, or hear something, but that those are all means to a similar end. I think you could also create the illusion that the person will see, smell, feel, taste, or hear. In other words, the techniques that create visual illusions are not triggered by the target seeing anything-- since people rely on sight as a primary sensory organ, this is the most featured type of genjutsu. Just as Tsukoyomi causes real pain to the victim, another technique could simple cause the target to feel pain that isn't there, with or without a visual illusion attached.

Speaking of Tsukoyomi, it seems that some genjutsu transcend human senses and actually alter time/reality (Tsukoyomi and Izanagi). So, again, it's a bit more complicated. 66.165.170.254 (talk) 18:52, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

Genjutsu affects the brain through a sense. The brain allows the person to control the victims perception--Cerez365 (talk) 19:21, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

So it gets one sense and then gets the rest? As for Tsukoyomi, I understand that in certain situations time does slow down for people, so it may influence that but on a greater scale. But how did C collapse then? Thomas Finlayson (talk) 20:41, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure why he passed out from the genjutsu, but again they affect the brain-- the technique could've forced his brain to "turn off" and he went to sleep. What about Kabuto's Temple of Nirvana... the same thing. It doesn't affect any one "sense" in particular, but it confuses the brain. 66.165.170.254 (talk) 14:03, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

Sort of what I mean. If your brain sees too much it is supposed to shut down. Or...what senses would make you 'feel' tired? For myself I wear glasses, and whenever they are dirty and blury I feel tired. Clean them off, and I feel much more awake. Something like that? Thomas Finlayson (talk) 22:22, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

Hand Seals..

Does genjutsu require hand seals? Or can the more experienced ninja just use it at will, without having to use them, like ninjutsu?—This unsigned comment was made by PockyNeko13 (talk • contribs) .

Yes, they use hand seals as well, since chakra is required to preform the illusion. Jacce | Talk | Contributions 19:59, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

It depends on the jutsu. Kurenai's tree binding death and Kakashi's Hell Viewing technique require hand seals, while auditory or dojutsu based genjutsu can do without, using the noise or eye-activation instead, but there's always something. ZeroSD (talk) 22:33, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

Genjutsu and Yin Release

Madara stated that the Yin chakra could create shape and form out of imagination. Genjutsu creats illusions out of the imagination. Could the genjutsu users be stated to use Yin Release? Darksusanoo (talk) 23:46, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

This needs to be explained more before we label it yin release.--Deva 27 (talk) 23:51, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

It does, but that doesn't mean we can't speculate on it. I'll be surprised if Yin Release isn't the root of genjutsu, because between that and Yamato speaking of Yin and Yang when Naruto asked how genjutsu works, it's all but confirmed. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:27, September 19, 2010 (UTC)

http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Second_Mizukage#Yin_Release_and_Genjutsu_users.Umishiru (talk) 17:32, July 20, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Deva 27. We could either wait for more confirmation or just go ahead and do it. If Yin is responsible for Genjutsu then I wonder if Yang is responsible for Ninjutsu xD? Comasbasks (talk) 17:44, July 20, 2011 (UTC)

From what can be gathered Yin is the basis for genjutsu since it's the spiritual energy that gives shape to the imagination...Yang on the other hand maybe the source of other ninjutsu like medical ninjutsu and certain clan techniques. But like i said with all the theory explained by Madara and the 2nd statement as a user of Yin it's pretty much confirmded. Darksusanoo (talk) 17:51, July 20, 2011 (UTC)

Read Yin-Yang article. http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Yin%E2%80%93Yang_ReleaseUmishiru (talk) 17:47, July 20, 2011 (UTC)

So now do we have a bot give all genjutsu users Yin Release in their info boxes?Timeel39 (talk) 20:07, July 20, 2011 (UTC)

Not just yet. Please keep discussions at the that talk page, since it's where most of the talk is going on. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:48, July 20, 2011 (UTC)

Effects in the "Real World"

Well,as you said here,when someone is caught on a genjutsu,this one freezes in place while the illusion occurs in the inside of his mind.But I have a doubt...All genjutsus make the opponent freezes in place? I mean,there are some of them that don't seem to make the opponent "freezes"..like the Bringer Of Darkness Technique...it was a genjutsu,but didn't make Hiruzen freezes in place...and that genjutsu that Itachi used on Deidara for the very first time they battled,Deidara was supposed to be "frozen" cause he was under Itachi's genjutsu but suddenly his own Clay Centipede appeared involving his own body,what means that he must have moved his limbs to make this possible. And Danzou and the last sharingan on his arm is another example...Sasuke used genjutsu to make him think the sharingan was still open...but danzou was moving normally. I'm still a little confused with genjutsu,so I hope you answer that for me. Thanks...

Please help me!

I was wondering, is it possible to use two genjutsu on a person at the same time, casted by the same person? Keep in mind I'm including even the most simple genjutsus. Redgamehunter (talk) 17:21, January 10, 2011 (UTC)

In the anime, Oboro used something called Demonic Illusion: False Surroundings Technique and Demonic Illusion: Double False Surroundings Technique at the same time. When Idate canceled the first illusion, the second continued to work. Jacce | Talk | Contributions 18:06, January 10, 2011 (UTC)

Also, there were several genjutsu blocks on the ninja from the Village Hidden in the Rain, discovered by Inoichi, after the ninja was interrogated by Ibiki.—This unsigned comment was made by 24.17.79.64 (talk • contribs) .

Kurenai also did this with Kisame and Itachi. #justsaying--Cerez₃₆₅™ 03:34, June 29, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry-question

i dont know if im putting this in the right place but i have a question. What chapter is Genjutsu Said to effect the brain by chakra? —This unsigned comment was made by 174.74.110.208 (talk • contribs) .

This should be asked at Talk:Genjutsu. ~ Fmakck^{© (Images | contribs)} 21:38, April 19, 2011 (UTC)

it says genjutsu is through 5 sences byt theres more then 5 sences like balance so does that mean someone with genjutsu can affect those too also. genjutsu through touch could that be used throuch taijutsu to allow someone to put in to an genjutsu through punching . or kicking them which is touch--—This unsigned comment was made by 77.92.67.230 (talk • contribs) .

Genjutsu affects you through the five major senses, since every other one can be affected through those. I'm not sure what the rest of your "question" is.--Cerez₃₆₅™ 16:27, August 28, 2011 (UTC)

im asking can genjutsu can be combine with taijutsu sence touch is a sence--—This unsigned comment was made by 77.92.67.230 (talk • contribs) .

Oh, I don't know. We've never seen it being combined in that way but more than likely it wouldn't be taijutsu for the sense of "touch" but possibly a medium that is used to trigger it. Still not sure though.---Cerez₃₆₅™ 16:41, August 28, 2011 (UTC)

This could be a possible upgrade for sakura think super strength with genjutsu every super punch puts in a genjutsu--—This unsigned comment was made by 184.22.81.55 (talk • contribs) .

Which would take enormous concentration to both be physically attacking someone and concentrating on casting a genjutsu which is improbable. Also, this isn't a forum, so unless it has something to do with the articles itself we really can't help you any further.--Cerez₃₆₅™ 17:55, August 28, 2011 (UTC)

bugs immune to genjutsu

shino said that they were immune to genjutsu in a filler in naruto he did not say that in the manga so this is not canon in should be removed (74.141.196.236 (talk) 22:17, October 26, 2011 (UTC))

I do not remember if this was anime-only, but regardless, the anime's canonicity is only voided in cases where it conflicts with the manga. Thus, this will not be removed because it's canon. Skitts (talk) 22:21, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

We cover things from the anime as well, properly pointing out when something is anime-only. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:22, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

yeah but saying the bugs are immune is false the episode is with that girl whocan kill with her genjutsu bugs are intelligent they feel fear in plan to kill like spiders traping flies

you guys saying anime is canon now so does that mean sora is canon now oh and episode is 206 of naruto i thought this wiki suppose to have facts about canon stuff not non canon

also a master genjutsu user could probably put bugs in genjutsu you have no proof it want in the only your basing this is on the anime which is a poor excuse (74.141.196.236 (talk) 22:34, October 26, 2011 (UTC))