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We know "Tailed Beast Sonic Roar" is showing up twice, that's an old bug in the wikia modifications to the software.

Size

So does the yin chakra being taken only affect Kurama's size and capacity for chakra? Even after when he was feeding off naruto's chakra, he still seems to be considerably smaller compared to when the kurama attacked konoha. Also, when he feeds off naruto's chakra, does he like convert that to his own chakra? I don't get it.--76.92.243.71 (talk) 03:25, January 21, 2012 (UTC)

We don't quite know about what happens to the chakra it absorbs. In regards to the size, we only know that the lack of Yin chakra weakened it (whether it is by half we don't know), and made it smaller. Skitts (talk) 03:30, January 21, 2012 (UTC)

Appearance changes from 571

Are we really going to keep those? Those look more like something that happens only to the chakra when Naruto transforms. Actual Kurama doesn't suddenly look like a Tron character. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:13, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

Yin Half?

I know the Yin half of the Nine tails is sealed and that it never will be seen again, but why did Minato seal the yin half? Lil rob (talk) 17:59, January 28, 2012 (UTC)

Minato couldn't seal all the Nine-Tails chakra away, there was simply too much. Hence, the Yin chakra was sealed in the Death God and the Yang chakra sealed in Naruto. --speysider (talk) 18:59, January 28, 2012 (UTC)

I think he is asking why Minato has not sealed all of it into Naruto, and the answer is we don't know for sure yet. --Elveonora (talk) 00:41, January 29, 2012 (UTC)

I believe it has already mentioned in the manga why he couldn't, because it's mentioned on this wiki. --speysider (talk) 00:58, January 29, 2012 (UTC)

He couldn't seal all of it. Apparently, there is either an inherent limit on how much Shiki Fujin can seal at a time, or how much can be placed inside of the Death God. Even if he had a seal that could have done so (like Mito did), his situation didn't exactly leave him with other things that may have been necessary. Skitts (talk) 02:11, January 29, 2012 (UTC)

Kurama is stronger than five tailed beasts at once.

When clearly showed in the manga, it should be added to in the article to show how strong he is. Instead of deleting it, it should be kept. --NaruHina fan (talk) 18:54, January 30, 2012 (UTC)

You're assuming that:

-All five of the beasts are putting most of or all of their chakra into the TBB which I find highly unlikely.

-The Kurama's blast equals their attack; we haven't seen the outcome.

That's probably why it gets removed. Skitts (talk) 20:31, January 30, 2012 (UTC)

• • Kurama was turning three into rag dolls and why wouldn't the Tailed Beast Ball here be equal to the might of the combined one? Why is everyone so determined to remove Naruto and Kurama's feats?--NaruHina fan (talk) 20:52, January 30, 2012 (UTC)
    • Equalling five doesn't mean it's better than the five together, just that it's as strong as those five together. We're so determined to remove them because they're still not quite feats, as they have yet to happen, because we have yet to see its outcome, poor wording on your part (in my opinion, don't know if others share this), but most important, because we're part of an ancient secret society that hopes to bring the end of the word by removing hype of manga characters. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:02, January 30, 2012 (UTC)
      • Shhh, you're not supposed to talk about it Omni. ;) Skitts (talk) 22:16, January 30, 2012 (UTC)

Like I said before, it's unnecessary hyping every-single-week. If Kurama farts next week we'll be seeing that "of all the tailed beasts his fart is the strongest devastating the other five tailed beasts combined!". The next issue I have is that you just come and drop a one line here and a one line there that never seems to tie in with anything or benefits the article... it just sits there...like this...--Cerez₃₆₅™ 00:31, January 31, 2012 (UTC)

Ha Ha Ha Ha. That was humourous Cerez365. But I think you should have a better tone. Your words are dripping with sarcasm.37.41.33.82 (talk) 13:04, May 11, 2012 (UTC)

Ah, I forgot to wite about theb topic. Maybe Kurama's chakra levels are higher than the five Tailed Beasts. That doesn't mean he is the strongest. Having the highest chakra levels doesn't make you the strongest.37.41.33.82 (talk) 13:06, May 11, 2012 (UTC)

Jiraya

Why isn't mentioned that it nearly killed Jiraya during his training with Naruto? --93.86.115.139 (talk) 04:45, February 1, 2012 (UTC)

because Naruto almost killed Jiraiya not Kurama.--Cerez₃₆₅™ 22:52, February 1, 2012 (UTC)

Jiraya said Naruto went into 4-tailed mode before suppressing Kyubi's chakra. We know Naruto can't control more than three tails, meaning Kyubi was in control of Naruto's body not Naruto himself. --109.93.103.12 (talk) 23:07, February 1, 2012 (UTC)

So we should transfer everything that Naruto's done while in any tailed form to Kurama's article? Kurama's hatred corrupts Naruto, the fox doesn't control his body.--Cerez₃₆₅™ 23:11, February 1, 2012 (UTC)

Hm, it seems it is a misunderstanding. Part of this article features events when Naruto went into the four-tailed mode and higher modes, indicating that Kurama was in contol of Naruto's body. That's why I've thought this training accident should be added. --109.93.103.12 (talk) 23:28, February 1, 2012 (UTC)

A case against Nature Release

I've read the various talk pages and archives on this subject and after giving it some thought believe that giving Kurama an elemental nature is unnecessary given other, more simple explanations.

Wind - I'll start here because in my view this is the easiest to explain away. Kurama simply caused a "twister" by swiping his massive hand with enough force to disturb the air. An example of this being Decapitating Airwaves and Daytime Tiger both effect air pressure without a wind element nature.

Fire - With the explanation for wind in mind, I believe the friction of Kurama's chakra being "roared" out could ignite the air. An example of this happening is the Morning Peacock, more a case of cause and effect than moulding of chakra.

These topics have been talked to death but I hope to have added something to the discussion. I'd also like to suggest removing things that could be viewed as displays of power (ex. Sonic Roar, Twister, Fire Stream) from being classified as jutsu altogether and noted in the abilities section but I may be, admittedly, being too anal. Arrancar79 (talk) 02:24, February 10, 2012 (UTC)

For starters, this is anime-only, so it isn't canonical anyway. :P There's a clear difference between the two techniques you mentioned and what Kurama did. It created a literal twister.and even discounting that, it actually breathed out fire, not roared and things were set ablaze. Skitts (talk) 02:43, February 10, 2012 (UTC)

I don't see the rotation of the air being evidence of wind nature, my two examples were meant to show that air can be used/disturbed without having a wind element. As for fire coming directly from his mouth, fire came directly from Guy's hands. Arrancar79 (talk) 03:00, February 10, 2012 (UTC)

The twister was created with a mere hand wave. There was no such thing as a pressure build-up like in Daytime Tiger, which is done with extreme speed. The fire created by Guy's Morning Peacock is created because of the speed creating friction with the air. Again, there's no evidence of this happening with Kurama, it just breathed fire. This is simply one of the instances the anime writers simply add filler content and screw things up. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:52, February 10, 2012 (UTC)

In the case of the twister I don't mean to say they work exactly the same. Yes, Daytime Tiger used extreme speed, I'm suggesting Kurama used power. I use it as an example of air being manipulated without a wind nature. In my opinion if there is a shadow of doubt or any plausible alternate way of explaining things like this, then that should be the preference. To apply a nature, even with anime only tags, seems speculative. Like I said in my first post, I admit that I'm probably being anal or maybe just a manga purist but either way it gets decided, I appreciate the responses. Arrancar79 (talk) 23:08, February 10, 2012 (UTC)

Creating a twister is something that for me really seems like something that would require nature transformation. I've said it many times in the past and I'll say it again: for either, either both twister and fire-breathing are listed as nature transformations or neither is considered. Not just one. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:16, February 11, 2012 (UTC)

I'd be very happy with neither but I don't see that happening. XD Arrancar79 (talk) 06:19, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

Unique Traits

Hey shouldn't excelerated healing be added to Kurama's unique traits. It saids throughout the series that due to his influence on Naruto that whenever he gets injured he is healed. And as he goes through the Nine Tail Chakra cloak levels that it heals at an accelerated rate but shortens his life. So I'm just saying that is a unique trait of Kurama so it should be added. --Tuxedo12 (talk) 16:02, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

yes. It has been said many times. But it can be a speciality of Uzumaki clan. We dont know for sure Salil dabholkar (talk) 04:59, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

Foot Print

File:Nine-tails shrinks.png vs File:Kurama_after_sealed_his_Yin_chakra_away.png The anime image poorly represents the scene, the way the anime does it makes it look like its claws dragged as it shrank and there are some other weird markings and strange additional imprinted shapes going on there. — SimAnt 08:07, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

So anyone ? I really have no problem with the anime one. --Elveonora (talk) 12:53, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

I have no issue with it, only Simant seems to have a problem, I don't see any of the other admins having a problem. I believe policy states that the manga image should be updated with the anime image once it becomes available in an episode. Am I wrong ? --Speysider (Talk Page) 12:54, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

If the image conveys the scene properly. However, I'm with Simant on this one. It does make it look like that was caused by it dragging its paw. I think the manga version displays the scene more properly and better. Skitts (talk) 13:03, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

It's going to look odd if every other page has anime images and this one has one manga image. People are going to wonder why that is. For consistency, I feel that if there's an anime image available it should be used, not discarded just because of an animation error. It still represents the scene imo. --Speysider (Talk Page) 13:10, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

Just add a note under the anime image as of what it is supposed to portray, fixed. --Elveonora (talk) 13:13, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

@Elveonora I don't think we usually do that, since that would look a bit cluttered. I don't think this is the only page that uses the reasoning that I pointed out above. That's why the default image on, say, Shisui's article is the manga one. You guys are free to change it if more of you support the change. Just my two cents. o3o Skitts (talk) 13:41, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

Well, I don't care since it portrays the same scene ... coloured it just looks better :P --Elveonora (talk) 13:50, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

It's really not that important if the footprint just "poofed" smaller, or dragged smaller. To be honest actually, Kurama's Background section doesn't need four pictures so there is no guarantee that the picture will remain there.--TheUltimate3 ~Keeper of Lore~ 14:17, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

The image could be moved to either the appearance section or abilities section either way it is important for readers to see the change in size of Kurama. As for which image to use, the goal here on the wiki is to be accurate with the author of the series, not consistent with the anime. The anime image inaccurately displays how he shrunk, implying that his paw was pulled across the ground rather than the change being an instantaneous result of the Dead Demon Consuming Seal sealing the Yin chakra all at once. — SimAnt 22:12, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

The anime representation could also just be a mistake in the producing of that episode, in terms of consistency. I still feel it is best to use the anime image, because the manga images are not in colour. If there's still an unknown decision for this image, I'd say just remove it. As TU3 said above, there's too many images there. --Speysider (Talk Page) 09:11, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

Ah, so that's why it looked odd... the animators made Kurama's foot drag when it got smaller. It's good to have something to show how he's (possibly) changed in size after having half his chakra sealed elsewhere. I say possibly because I'm not sure, I would have expected him to be smaller than the other tailed beasts now but that isn't the case. At, any rate, I don't have a problem with either image being used.

Also @Speysider directly. you really shouldn't think like that. I'm sure you wouldn't want users or sysops to ignore your issues saying "eh, he's not an admin so no need to consider what he's saying"--Cerez365^™(talk) 10:35, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

Hey guys! :D xD Stop being worked up. Well I think it's the best way is to use the manga image or if it doesn't look great. I prefer removing it, though.

--IndxcvNovelist (Talk to Me) 10:48, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

@Cerez What are you talking about? :S --Speysider (Talk Page) 11:25, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

All this boils down to is consistency vs. accuracy, the point of this encyclopedia is to accurately inform the reader of the original story from the author of the series, anime images that do not conflict with it are fine. As for established policy, "If an anime image poorly represents a scene, a manga image should be used in its place if available." has been on the image policy for nearly two years. The anime changed the work from the original author and changed the physics of his universe, everyone can agree that the two images do not show the same thing. — SimAnt 22:41, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

new Kurama anime image

I found a pretty good high quality anime image of Kurama that can replace the old one in the infobox. What do you think of this? (http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/File:Kurama_ep249.png) KazeKitsune (talk) 06:49, August 8, 2012 (UTC)

I actually don't see anything wrong with the current image. --http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s145/urbancowgurl777/UltimateSupreme2212-3.png(Talk to me) 06:50, August 8, 2012 (UTC)

The current one doesn't have the high quality or the 16:9 (widescreen) ratio as the one I'm proposing. KazeKitsune (talk) 07:09, August 8, 2012 (UTC)

Widescreen format isn't necessary...and your image is of much poorer quality.. akz! 10:03, August 8, 2012 (UTC)

Oh really? On my last image (http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/File:Kurama_image_anime.png), they put a templete that said that it needs to be in a widescreen format, so I did. And for the old image, it has MEDIUM resolution, which makes it more blurry (especially the lineart), while the new one is from Crunchyroll, a website that has HIGH quality videos. I'm just trying to help, so please, can you just go with it...? KazeKitsune (talk) 10:23, August 8, 2012 (UTC)

Have a look at {{Widescreen}}. It says something different. Also I dont see a major change in the quality as such. --http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s145/urbancowgurl777/UltimateSupreme2212-3.png(Talk to me) 10:28, August 8, 2012 (UTC)