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Wind + Earth?

I know that 4th databook didn't list Lightning as one of Rasa's natures, but the book has many mistakes. Now we have 2 Magnet Release techniques that involve Lightning, just saying...--Elve _[Mod] ^{Talk Page|Contribs} 22:22, June 7, 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, and...? • Seelentau 愛 ^議 22:29, June 7, 2018 (UTC)

As much as I'd like to see a change in the composition of Magnet Release, until some actual source actually says it unambiguously, there's nothing we can do. I wish they'd do something like an updated version of the fourth databook to correct its many mistakes, much like volume releases usually amend stuff from the WSJ published chapters. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:36, June 7, 2018 (UTC)

They released an updated version of the 4th databook. But I still don't see what exactly is new here. I mean it's not like Lightning Release was used for Magnet Release. It was used in unison and not even for all of Shiki's techniques. Plus, Chojuro's words imply that Shiki's Magnet Release might be different. • Seelentau 愛 ^議 22:39, June 7, 2018 (UTC)

It isn't Wind + Earth.

There's no proof. Rasa's profile is not proof. The reason being is the same can be said for Body Flicker and Summoning. If non elemental techniques are either Yin or Yang, that means Naruto and Tsunade's profiles "prove" summoning is Yang since they are both listed as having Yang [[1]] [[2]]. With that being said, Shisui's profile would prove that Body Flicker is Yin release since he only has Yin Release [[3]].

Not to mention Shinki has Lightning and isn't confirmed to have the other two. Therefore the same argument for Rasa can be used for Shinki.

Final point is that Character profiles are not viable. Plenty of dead Shinobi don't have natures they clearly should. 3rd Raikage and Kisame being some of them. Therefore if you cannot guarantee that it's Wind and Earth and those are the only nature's he has, then why put it? LoneNinja (talk) 20:06, September 22, 2018 (UTC)

"There's no proof."

Starting off your case with a strong argument, I like that, I like that.

"Rasa's profile is not proof."

And another one back to back, nice.

"the same can be said for Body Flicker and Summoning"

Can it, though? Are these techniques operating under the principles of elemental kekkei genkai?

"If non elemental techniques are either Yin or Yang"

If? So you are making an assumption, not an argument?

"Naruto and Tsunade's profiles "prove" summoning is Yang since they are both listed as having Yang"

Under the aforemade assumption, this would be true. Same for Shisui's case.

"Not to mention Shinki has Lightning"

That's correct, and we saw that he used it together with Magnet Release.

"isn't confirmed to have the other two"

Ah, the old argument from ignorance. I knew this would show up.

"Therefore the same argument for Rasa"

Which argument exactly?

"Final point is that Character profiles are not viable."

And of course the fallacy that because a set of information has a mistake, the entire set of information automatically becomes invalid. Hint: It doesn't. If it would, the entire manga, all databooks and all other material would be invalid and we wouldn't be able to say anything for certain.

"then why put it?"

Because all you presented was an assumption and two logical fallacies. • Seelentau 愛 ^議 20:26, September 22, 2018 (UTC)

One of the flaws in this argument though, is that not ALL non-elemental techniques were stated to be either Yin or Yang. For all we know, some techniques can indeed be no nature transformation whatsoever, like Shadow Clones or Transformation etc. as much as it would make sense for them to be either or both, but we can't assume all techniques are, because nothing states that.--Elve _[Mod] ^{Talk Page|Contribs} 20:31, September 22, 2018 (UTC)