Narutopedia
Register
No edit summary
m (Reverted edits by Machine92 (talk) to last version by LoneNinja)
(338 intermediate revisions by 67 users not shown)
Line 3: Line 3:
 
'''<big>For previous discussions about this character, see also [[Talk:Tobi]] and its archives.</big>'''
 
'''<big>For previous discussions about this character, see also [[Talk:Tobi]] and its archives.</big>'''
   
  +
== Removal of Individual Curse Tag ==
== As Yin-Kurama's jinchūriki ==
 
In the [[Two Mangekyō|latest chapter]], Madara stated that Obito had both the left Rinnegan and the Yin half of Kurama. Is that enough to put Obito as Yin-Kurama's jinchūriki (though he most likely has already transferred it to Naruto)?--[[User:JOA20|JOA20]] ([[User talk:JOA20|talk]]) 07:47, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
 
   
  +
The wiki states Obito put Kakashi in a Genjutsu to force him to pierce his heart with a Lightning Infused Kunai, to remove the seal. But I don't recall Genjutsu playing any part into it. Where was this stated that he put Kakashi in Genjutsu? [[User:LoneNinja|LoneNinja]] ([[User talk:LoneNinja|talk]]) 09:22, April 5, 2018 (UTC)
I don't know why and how, but this chapter says that now Obito possesses Yin Kurama. Should we make respective changes?[[User:Faust-RSI|Faust-RSI]] ([[User talk:Faust-RSI|talk]]) 08:25, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
 
   
  +
It was never outright stated but Obito said he "made", Kakashi remove and he had Kakashi in genjutsu from before the fight started AND the result of the fight was exactly what Obito showed Kakashi in the genjutsu which implies that he used genjutsu. He literally flat out made Kakashi stab an illusion of him with raikiri, with his genjustu, two times in a row before they actually started fighting, so it's believed that he used genjutsu in the actual fight as well, especially since it's confirmed that not only did he hold back throughout the fight but removing the seal was the only reason he even fought Kakashi inside of Kamui-Dimension. [[User:Djghostface292|Djghostface292]] [[User talk:Djghostface292|talk]] 02:33, April 5, 2018
:He *had the Yin Kyuubi. He transferred it to Naruto. But, maybe the community might want to wait for the raws to make an official decision.-'''NaviiGator''' <small>''('''A.K.A.'''KotoSenju)''</small><sup><small>[[user talk: Koto Senju|Talk Page]]-[[Special:Contributions/Koto Senju|My Contributions]]</small></sup> 09:12, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
 
   
  +
::Well if you have some evidence, I suggest contacting the admins, since @Asian reverted your edit. [[User:LoneNinja|LoneNinja]] ([[User talk:LoneNinja|talk]]) 01:42, April 7, 2018 (UTC)
== 2 things ==
 
Shouldn't we list him as a user of chakra absorption? Also I see he is listed as a Sensor, I don't recall, any justification for that?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:21, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
 
   
  +
== New Infobox Image ==
:Against Sasuke's Amaterasu in chapter 641: "I could ''sense'' the build up of chakra in your left eye..."--[[User:JOA20|JOA20]] ([[User talk:JOA20|talk]]) 11:19, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
 
   
  +
I found a better image for Obito's infobox. It has better quality and coloring. It's a close-up of his face, and It'll look good.
::But couldn't it have been his sense of sight, he can see chakra? [[User:Arrancar79|Arrancar79]] ([[User talk:Arrancar79|talk]]) 04:50, February 27, 2014 (UTC)
 
   
  +
Obito_Uchiha_Close-up.png
== Jinchuriki ==
 
Shouldn't Obito have Gedo Mazo be listed as one of Obito's Tailed Beasts in his infobox? It was only for a short time sure, but there nonetheless. [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 17:09, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
 
:The Demonic Statue isn't a tailed beast, so...--[[User:JOA20|JOA20]] ([[User talk:JOA20|talk]]) 17:10, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
 
::Except, given it's the husk of the Ten Tails and so technically it is, so... [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 17:11, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
 
:::It may be ''similar'' to a tailed beast, but it has never been stated to be one, not by Madara, Obito or the tailed beasts, who are the ones knowing the most about it.--[[User:JOA20|JOA20]] ([[User talk:JOA20|talk]]) 17:18, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
 
::::It's the Ten-Tails' body, so it clearly is a Tailed Beast by definition. Neither Obito nor Madara have ever referred to Gedo Mazo as a living being either, but clearly we didn't need them to tell us that once we saw it moving and showing behavior and such. [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 17:21, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
 
Well, if that's your point then we'll have to go by vote. I actually support this. --[[User:JOA20|JOA20]] ([[User talk:JOA20|talk]]) 17:23, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
 
:It might be the body of a tailed beast, but it's not ''a'' tailed beast. Obito wasn't no longer a jinchūriki the moment One-Tail through Seven-Tails and the chakra fragments of Eight and Nine-Tails were removed from him. He's not even a pseudo-jinchūriki, since he no longer had the chakra of an actual tailed beast in him. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 17:29, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
 
::Omni, the equivalent of what you're saying is if Kurama lost all of its chakra, the person it's sealed in is no longer a jinchuriki, which is self-evidently absurd. After all, Gyuki said that Samehada had absorbed all his chakra during his and B's fight with Kisame, yet we never thought to de-list B as a jinchuriki. It's the being itself that counts, not simply the chakra. [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 17:45, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
 
:::Obito was a classified as a jinchuriki when he had the Ten-Tails sealed in him. When it was removed and he was just housing the Demonic Statue, he kept his ''status'' as a jinchuriki (same way Gaara kept his status despite Shukaku being removed), but he was no longer a jinchuriki because the Demonic Statue is not a tailed beast.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 18:05, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
 
::::If it's a tb, the sage's tools are tb, too. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 18:16, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
 
   
  +
[[User:HygorBohmHubner|HygorBohmHubner]] ([[User talk:HygorBohmHubner|talk]]) 16:05, April 5, 2018 (UTC)
A better discussion seems to be the fact that Obito was the actual jinchūriki of Yin Kurama, not Zetsu. Madara even outright says in this chapter that it is Obito housing Kurama, evidenced by Kurama appearing with him when he went to pull out Madara's beasts, as well as his ability to transfer the beast from himself to Naruto. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 19:02, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
 
  +
:It has no license, skin colour seems pretty odd, and it doesn't show his face to the fullest extent, complele with hair. I see no reason why the current image should be replaced. [[User:Ravenlot 27|Ravenlot 27]] ([[User talk:Ravenlot 27|talk]]) 18:11, April 5, 2018 (UTC)
:Don't think it's quite that simple. It was very clear that Black Zetsu was the one who took Kurama. Obito was still unconscious when it happened. Either Obito has access to Yin Kurama because he's merged with BZ and is preventing BZ from leaving him, or for some reason, BZ housed Yin Kurama in Obito. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 19:19, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
 
::If it were that simple for a Zetsu to become a jinchūriki, I wonder why Madara/Obito didn't just "steal" the tailed beasts housing them in Zetsu clones. Madara himself says it: "Obito has both the Yin half of the Nine-Tails and the left Rinnegan..."--[[User:JOA20|JOA20]] ([[User talk:JOA20|talk]]) 19:44, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
 
:::Things have been screwy with this. When Obito was not in control of his body, Black Zetsu was ready to leave Obito's body and take Yin-Kurama with him, meaning Yin-Kurama had to have been in him. However, once Obito got control of the body, he was able to do the transfer.
 
:::It is possible that because Black Zetsu is a parasite on Obito's body, once he regained control, he could do whatever he wanted with Black Zetsu and that includes transfering a tailed beast.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 19:46, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
 
::::Yes because when he transferes the kyuubi to Naruto, he does from his right side, the side that BZ isn't on. This means that no matter what, something happened so that the kyuubi is inside of Obito now [[User:Riptide240|Riptide240]] ([[User talk:Riptide240|talk]])
 
:::::Obito might be in control of what happens to it, but it's still in BZ. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 20:45, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
 
:::::: Even still, he would have to have it in himself first cause he didn't do it from BZ he did it from his own flesh and being [[User:Riptide240|Riptide240]] ([[User talk:Riptide240|talk]]) 20:48, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
 
I don't think BZ has a body in the first place. He's a mass of chakra that leeches on to people. Therefore, he would use the body he's attached to to store any tailed beasts he takes. As chakra, he has no storage place of his own. When leaving the body, he would just hold on to the chakra to take it with him. To say that BZ on his own is a Jinchuuriki is like say a tailed beast can be a jinchuuriki of a tailed beast. Not possible. [[User:MangekyoSasuke|MangekyoSasuke]] ([[User talk:MangekyoSasuke|talk]]) 20:58, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
 
   
  +
Just wondering, why didn't anyone upload a image with Obito's white hair for the infobox? I mean, that was the last appearance he had before he died, and therefore, his "updated" look. If it's too avoid spoilers, well, whorever hasn't seen the anime shouldn't have gotten here in the first place ^_^
He may not have a body in a traditional sense, but he definitely has a physical composition. He's not an ethereal entity, otherwise there's no way he'd be able to so many things he does, like just a few chapters ago, digging his way through the ground to intercept Yin Kurama. That still doesn't change the fact that when he was going to leave before Obito stopped him, the black mass itself was leaving Obito's body, meaning the black mass itself contained Yin Kurama. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 21:05, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
 
:Who said chakra was ethereal? If that were the case, the tailed beast would be ghosts. [[User:MangekyoSasuke|MangekyoSasuke]] ([[User talk:MangekyoSasuke|talk]]) 21:09, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
 
::Chakra by definition is made up two energies. By ethereal, I mean something like dragon entities that come out of the Demonic Statue of the Outer Path. Sure, they're there, they interact with stuff, but it's not quite mass like a rock or a tree. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 21:14, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
 
   
  +
[[User:HygorBohmHubner|HygorBohmHubner]] ([[User talk:HygorBohmHubner|talk]]) 18:16, April 5, 2018 (UTC)
On topic... @Skitts, the "Ten-Tails/Shinju" isn't even a Tailed Beast, we just classify it as such for some weird reason. Also offtopic, but again I must remind the urgency of merging Gedo Mazo and Shinju articles. Having them separated is like saying that myself with a limb removed would no longer be me but some other person--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 23:39, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
 
 
I know I used to be in favor of the contrary, but I actually do not support a merger. Also, I kind of don't think the Gedo Mazo should really count as making him a jinchuriki... BUT... I do think the Shinju itself should be separated from the Ten-Tail's page. The Shinju (God Tree) was able to be reproduced by Obito during his duration as its Jinchuriki. But even after being stripped of the Ten-Tails and having all of the Tailed Beast comprising it split up, the Shinju remained fully planted in the ground without being disturbed. This effectively demonstrated that it, after its recreation at least, was able to continue on without and in the absence of the Juubi/Ten-Tails itself, the 9 Chakra Entities which comprised it, and the Gedo Mazo body. So I do not think either Shinju or Gedo Mazo should be counted as Tailed Beasts. After all, they both lack the fundamental chakra tails, even if they are chakra entities in either part or whole.[[User:Skarrj|Skarrj]] ([[User talk:Skarrj|talk]]) 05:31, February 27, 2014 (UTC)
 
 
I would agree that after taking control of his body and BZ Obito just could do anything he wanted with Yin Kurama, while it still was physically in BZ, but him resealing it to Naruto through his normal body AND him using '''tailed beast chakra arms''' against Madara suggests that Kurama somehow moved to his body. It's stupid, I know, but that's how Kishi made it.[[User:Faust-RSI|Faust-RSI]] ([[User talk:Faust-RSI|talk]]) 06:35, February 27, 2014 (UTC)
 
 
== Skill with staff ==
 
from the recent chapter shouldn't we add his skill to use the staff he has to deflect multiple orbs Madara attacked him with[[User:Fanking|Fanking]] ([[User talk:Fanking|talk]]) 21:01, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
 
 
== Sage Mode user? ==
 
 
After having his power drained from Obito, and Obito subseqeuntly attempting to escape via his own Kamui, he was quickly stopped by two Black Chakra Orbs which he effectively countered with his Chakra Shakujo. HOWEVER... Madara notes that:"It was correct to use Sage Mode. Were you able to suck a little of that power too?". Does this mean Obito also absorbed some of his Senjutsu in the process? [[User:Skarrj|Skarrj]] ([[User talk:Skarrj|talk]]) 05:34, February 27, 2014 (UTC)
 
:Madara didn't mean SM, read another translation. He just talked about "Rikudo Mode", i.e. staff, chakra cloak etc.[[User:Faust-RSI|Faust-RSI]] ([[User talk:Faust-RSI|talk]]) 06:35, February 27, 2014 (UTC)
 

Revision as of 22:04, 4 April 2019

Archives
Archives

For previous discussions about this character, see also Talk:Tobi and its archives.

Removal of Individual Curse Tag

The wiki states Obito put Kakashi in a Genjutsu to force him to pierce his heart with a Lightning Infused Kunai, to remove the seal. But I don't recall Genjutsu playing any part into it. Where was this stated that he put Kakashi in Genjutsu? LoneNinja (talk) 09:22, April 5, 2018 (UTC)

It was never outright stated but Obito said he "made", Kakashi remove and he had Kakashi in genjutsu from before the fight started AND the result of the fight was exactly what Obito showed Kakashi in the genjutsu which implies that he used genjutsu. He literally flat out made Kakashi stab an illusion of him with raikiri, with his genjustu, two times in a row before they actually started fighting, so it's believed that he used genjutsu in the actual fight as well, especially since it's confirmed that not only did he hold back throughout the fight but removing the seal was the only reason he even fought Kakashi inside of Kamui-Dimension. Djghostface292 talk 02:33, April 5, 2018

Well if you have some evidence, I suggest contacting the admins, since @Asian reverted your edit. LoneNinja (talk) 01:42, April 7, 2018 (UTC)

New Infobox Image

I found a better image for Obito's infobox. It has better quality and coloring. It's a close-up of his face, and It'll look good.

Obito_Uchiha_Close-up.png

HygorBohmHubner (talk) 16:05, April 5, 2018 (UTC)

It has no license, skin colour seems pretty odd, and it doesn't show his face to the fullest extent, complele with hair. I see no reason why the current image should be replaced. Ravenlot 27 (talk) 18:11, April 5, 2018 (UTC)

Just wondering, why didn't anyone upload a image with Obito's white hair for the infobox? I mean, that was the last appearance he had before he died, and therefore, his "updated" look. If it's too avoid spoilers, well, whorever hasn't seen the anime shouldn't have gotten here in the first place ^_^

HygorBohmHubner (talk) 18:16, April 5, 2018 (UTC)