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| − | Its clear as to hold old Obito was by the time he got crushed and Kakashi being the same age. Shippuden comes but he doesn't have a age. Is it because of the whole persona thing or what cuz I still believe he should be listed as 31 as of his death. [[User:Rachin123|Rachin123]] ([[User talk:Rachin123|talk]]) 03:54, October 3, 2014 (UTC) |
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| − | :Obito's age is a controversial subject, seeing as chapter 599 retconned pretty much everything we know about Kakashi and his classmates' ages.--[[User:BeyondRed|BeyondRed]] ([[User talk:BeyondRed|talk]]) 04:37, October 3, 2014 (UTC) |
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| − | ::How so? [[User:Rachin123|Rachin123]] ([[User talk:Rachin123|talk]]) 04:45, October 3, 2014 (UTC) |
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| − | :::Kakashi's younger graduation/promotion ages implied he should be younger than Obito and Rin, even though Kakashi Gaiden depicted them as looking about the same age. Then the flashbacks from chapter 599 onwards ignored all of the old graduation ages entirely, and included a bunch of characters who couldn't possibly have been in Kakashi's age group.--[[User:BeyondRed|BeyondRed]] ([[User talk:BeyondRed|talk]]) 05:05, October 3, 2014 (UTC) |
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| − | ::::True the age thing is confusing but still going by birth on on the timeline he should still be 31. We'd just have to ignore the small error. [[User:Rachin123|Rachin123]] ([[User talk:Rachin123|talk]]) 05:13, October 3, 2014 (UTC) |
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| − | + | The wiki states Obito put Kakashi in a Genjutsu to force him to pierce his heart with a Lightning Infused Kunai, to remove the seal. But I don't recall Genjutsu playing any part into it. Where was this stated that he put Kakashi in Genjutsu? [[User:LoneNinja|LoneNinja]] ([[User talk:LoneNinja|talk]]) 09:22, April 5, 2018 (UTC) |
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| − | :From my point of view, newer information takes precedence over the old. I mean, we already decided to ignore what 3rd databook says about Susanoo and Amaterasu after all, so I think chapter 599 and on have more credibility. In that case, since the age difference between Kakashi and Obito is 3 years 7 months (ignoring handful of days) and Kakashi turned 31 "25 days ago" that means Obito died as 34 years old.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 11:46, October 3, 2014 (UTC) |
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| − | ::Then what about the anime? • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 11:49, October 3, 2014 (UTC) |
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| − | :::They've got more than one thing wrong by now and should be ignored when it comes to chronology and canonicity of events, even if that means ignoring a whole filler arc or two--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 11:53, October 3, 2014 (UTC) |
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| − | According to Seel's timeline Kakashi, Rin and Obito were born the same year so why would Obito be three years and some months older than Kakashi and I'd say that's pretty accurate. [[User:Rachin123|Rachin123]] ([[User talk:Rachin123|talk]]) 13:46, October 3, 2014 (UTC)Rachin123 |
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| − | ::::Seel's Obito-Kakashi timeline is based on the anime mostly and pre-chapter 599 manga/databook stuff. Kakashi graduated the academy as 5 years old, Rin and Obito as 9. Obito is 3 years 7 months older from Kakashi. They all took the same Chunin Exam, with Kakashi having managed to become a Chunin in it at the age of 6, while Obito age 10 failed. Obito trainer hard, took the next exams and became a Chunin at 11. Obito got crushed by boulders as 13 years old, that means Kakashi was 9-10 at the latest in the Gaiden. Kakashi is now 31 so Obito died as 34--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 13:58, October 3, 2014 (UTC) |
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| − | :::::I chose to follow that timeline because aside from that one chapter, everything in the manga and anime follows it, too. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 14:02, October 3, 2014 (UTC) |
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| − | The graduation was in the manga too. But going by graduation time the age appearance doesn't fit the profile like at all. Kakashi bring five and the rest being 5 and Rin and Obito being 9. It didn't look that way. It could be an inconsistency. Its not the first time. Can we put 31-34 (presumed) or something? [[User:Rachin123|Rachin123]] ([[User talk:Rachin123|talk]]) 14:09, October 3, 2014 (UTC)Rachin123 |
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| + | It was never outright stated but Obito said he "made", Kakashi remove and he had Kakashi in genjutsu from before the fight started AND the result of the fight was exactly what Obito showed Kakashi in the genjutsu which implies that he used genjutsu. He literally flat out made Kakashi stab an illusion of him with raikiri, with his genjustu, two times in a row before they actually started fighting, so it's believed that he used genjutsu in the actual fight as well, especially since it's confirmed that not only did he hold back throughout the fight but removing the seal was the only reason he even fought Kakashi inside of Kamui-Dimension. [[User:Djghostface292|Djghostface292]] [[User talk:Djghostface292|talk]] 02:33, April 5, 2018 |
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| − | @Seel, it's not "just one" chapter though :P Obito had like 2-3 what if flashbacks of imagining himself having chosen a different path and the people in the flashback are the same ones as in chapter 599, so Kishi retconned them to be Obito's generation. Also even ignoring databooks, it's 34 anyway. Kakashi becoming Chunin at 6 is a manga fact. Obito having gotten crushed by boulders at 13 is a manga fact. The crushing took place 2 years after his Chunin promotion, so if Kakashi promoted at 6, he was 9 in the Gaiden, 10 at most in case Obito was beyond 13 and 5 months--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 14:24, October 3, 2014 (UTC) |
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| − | Well if that's the case Kishi needs to work on how he makes kid look their age and height. At first I thought Kakashi graduated earlier than them and was on a different team but switched or was older by four years but than manga chapter shows they all graduated together so now we are supposed to belief that Kakashi was five and they were so much more older and they still looked about the same age and height. Let's not put any ahe than cuz its iffy. Like you said it may be retconned. He messed up. [[User:Rachin123|Rachin123]] ([[User talk:Rachin123|talk]]) 14:31, October 3, 2014 (UTC)Rachin123 |
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| − | :To be honest, the notion of a 6 years old Chunin in itself is beyond farfetched. Chunin are eligible to lead other ninja on missions... can you imagine a 6 years old kid ordering around adults and surviving encounters with adult foe ninja?--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 14:42, October 3, 2014 (UTC) |
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| + | ::Well if you have some evidence, I suggest contacting the admins, since @Asian reverted your edit. [[User:LoneNinja|LoneNinja]] ([[User talk:LoneNinja|talk]]) 01:42, April 7, 2018 (UTC) |
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| − | Even though it's a small image, we can see what appears to be a photo of Obito's parents holding him as an infant on chapter 603 and Episode 345. Even though they don't have a name, shouldn't they be in this wiki as well? --[[User:Kai Maciel|Kai Maciel]] ([[User talk:Kai Maciel|talk]]) 12:41, October 7, 2014 (UTC) |
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| + | I found a better image for Obito's infobox. It has better quality and coloring. It's a close-up of his face, and It'll look good. |
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| − | it should be mentioned in the trivia section and nothing else. they do not deserve a separate article. [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 12:43, October 7, 2014 (UTC) |
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| − | :I would at least like them mentioned over at Uchiha Clan page.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 12:44, October 7, 2014 (UTC) |
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| − | this will sound rude but im not trying to be...can't you just add it then. [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 12:48, October 7, 2014 (UTC) |
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| + | [[User:HygorBohmHubner|HygorBohmHubner]] ([[User talk:HygorBohmHubner|talk]]) 16:05, April 5, 2018 (UTC) |
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| + | :It has no license, skin colour seems pretty odd, and it doesn't show his face to the fullest extent, complele with hair. I see no reason why the current image should be replaced. [[User:Ravenlot 27|Ravenlot 27]] ([[User talk:Ravenlot 27|talk]]) 18:11, April 5, 2018 (UTC) |
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| + | Just wondering, why didn't anyone upload a image with Obito's white hair for the infobox? I mean, that was the last appearance he had before he died, and therefore, his "updated" look. If it's too avoid spoilers, well, whorever hasn't seen the anime shouldn't have gotten here in the first place ^_^ |
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| + | [[User:HygorBohmHubner|HygorBohmHubner]] ([[User talk:HygorBohmHubner|talk]]) 18:16, April 5, 2018 (UTC) |
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For previous discussions about this character, see also Talk:Tobi and its archives.
Removal of Individual Curse Tag
The wiki states Obito put Kakashi in a Genjutsu to force him to pierce his heart with a Lightning Infused Kunai, to remove the seal. But I don't recall Genjutsu playing any part into it. Where was this stated that he put Kakashi in Genjutsu? LoneNinja (talk) 09:22, April 5, 2018 (UTC)
It was never outright stated but Obito said he "made", Kakashi remove and he had Kakashi in genjutsu from before the fight started AND the result of the fight was exactly what Obito showed Kakashi in the genjutsu which implies that he used genjutsu. He literally flat out made Kakashi stab an illusion of him with raikiri, with his genjustu, two times in a row before they actually started fighting, so it's believed that he used genjutsu in the actual fight as well, especially since it's confirmed that not only did he hold back throughout the fight but removing the seal was the only reason he even fought Kakashi inside of Kamui-Dimension. Djghostface292 talk 02:33, April 5, 2018
New Infobox Image
I found a better image for Obito's infobox. It has better quality and coloring. It's a close-up of his face, and It'll look good.
Obito_Uchiha_Close-up.png
HygorBohmHubner (talk) 16:05, April 5, 2018 (UTC)
- It has no license, skin colour seems pretty odd, and it doesn't show his face to the fullest extent, complele with hair. I see no reason why the current image should be replaced. Ravenlot 27 (talk) 18:11, April 5, 2018 (UTC)
Just wondering, why didn't anyone upload a image with Obito's white hair for the infobox? I mean, that was the last appearance he had before he died, and therefore, his "updated" look. If it's too avoid spoilers, well, whorever hasn't seen the anime shouldn't have gotten here in the first place ^_^
HygorBohmHubner (talk) 18:16, April 5, 2018 (UTC)