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== Image request ==
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== Complete Body Susanoo ==
Could someone upload a good quality image of Itachi's Susanoo's sword from Chapter 585. His sword appears on the 2nd last page. I was hoping to replace the current anime version as its of his susanoo incorrectly wielding the Sword of Totsuka insted. Thanks in advance. --[[User:Sarutobii2|Sarutobii2]] ([[User talk:Sarutobii2|talk]]) 17:36, October 26, 2014 (UTC)
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Should Complete Body - Susanoo have its own article? After all, Databook 4 treated it as a separate technique to Susanoo. We'd still mention it here, but use all the pictures of CB-S on its own article, thus shortening this one substantially for a good trimming. What do you guys think?--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 19:59, June 9, 2016 (UTC)
:I have the colored volume containing that chapter but I don't know how to save it... If someone wanted to explain how to do that I would gladly do it. I'm using the Japanese E-Book reader to view it if that is needed to be known.--[[User:Narutofox94|Narutofox94]] ([[User talk:Narutofox94|talk]]) 17:40, October 26, 2014 (UTC)
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:Agreed, for the reasons you listed in [[Thread:208905|this discussion]].--[[User:KirinNOTKarin98|KirinNOTKarin98]] ([[User talk:KirinNOTKarin98|talk]]) 21:17, June 9, 2016 (UTC)]
::@Narutofox, make a screenshot of the page and upload it here if you can.--[[File:Mangekyō Sharingan Izuna.svg|15px]] [[User:JOA20|'''JOA''']][[User talk:JOA20|''20'']] 17:43, October 26, 2014 (UTC)
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::Be easier to find information on CBS so why not. --[[User:Sarutobii2|Sarutobii2]] ([[User talk:Sarutobii2|talk]]) 21:18, June 9, 2016 (UTC)
:::@Narutofox, Most computers have a print screen button somewhere. If you Google the type of computer you have, you can find out what button it is and then be able to get a image of whatevers on you're screen at the time. --[[User:Sarutobii2|Sarutobii2]] ([[User talk:Sarutobii2|talk]]) 18:08, October 26, 2014 (UTC)
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:::When creating a discussion, don't create it in multiple places, since that breaks up the discussion needlessly. You made the topic on the talkpage, which was the correct location, so there is no need to have a thread on the forums, especially as the forums aren't a place for such a discussion either. --'''''[[User:SuperSajuuk|Sa]][[User talk:SuperSajuuk|ju]][[Special:Contributions/SuperSajuuk|uk]]''''' 21:21, June 9, 2016 (UTC)
:::: I use the snipping tool that came with my computer but I get this error trying to upload it "The title "File:ItachiSwordColoredManga.PNG" has been banned from creation. It matches the following blacklist entry: ^File:[^ ]{15,}\.(jpe?g|png|svg)$" Also the ebook reader refuses to take a screenshot of it from doing CRTL PRTSC.--[[User:Narutofox94|Narutofox94]] ([[User talk:Narutofox94|talk]]) 18:22, October 26, 2014 (UTC)
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::::I also find it a nice idea, at least to partially relieve the main Susanoo article. [[User:Ravenlot 27|Ravenlot 27]] ([[User talk:Ravenlot 27|talk]]) 21:22, June 9, 2016 (UTC)
Snapshot your image with just pressing PRTSC without using CTRL and rename it with something like "ItachiSwordColoredManga.PNG" and that'll work. —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 18:30, October 26, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::Yeah, I'm all for it as well. We already have a bunch of Rasengan variants that have their own articles, so this is a good suggestion.--[[User:SSJ2AJB|SSJ2AJB]] ([[User talk:SSJ2AJB|talk]]) 21:28, June 9, 2016 (UTC)
:: Again Japan Ebook refuses to let me do that. I know that the wiki only lets PNG files be used so I saved it a PNG file. Also I'm using the Snipping Tool which has been the only way I've been able to capture it but the wiki won't let me upload it.--[[User:Narutofox94|Narutofox94]] ([[User talk:Narutofox94|talk]]) 18:51, October 26, 2014 (UTC)
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::::::Okay, I'll start making the new article! --[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 21:34, June 9, 2016 (UTC)
:::You can request that the manga image we had before be restored. It was tankobōn versioned (English?). Sarutobi is right, we have an inacurate depiction of Itachi's sword in the article.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 20:15, October 26, 2014 (UTC)
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:Way to wait a reasonable amount of time before making any changes. Just because the databook lists it a certain way, doesn't mean we do it exactly the same. Fourth databook listed a bunch of Rasengan and Rasenshuriken variants under the same entry, I highly doubt many would agree to merge those articles. I don't oppose this in principle, but it needs way more discussion, and the creation of the article was extremely premature. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:09, June 9, 2016 (UTC)
:::: @''Cerez'' I would gladly add the colored manga version but as I have mentioned before I keep getting a error trying to upload it. Screenshots are also blocked by the Ebook program. If anybody can tell me what that error means so that I can avoid it, I would appreciate it. This was the error btw "The title "File:ItachiSwordColoredManga.PNG" has been banned from creation. It matches the following blacklist entry: ^File:[^ ]{15,}\.(jpe?g|png|svg)$"--[[User:Narutofox94|Narutofox94]] ([[User talk:Narutofox94|talk]]) 20:20, October 26, 2014 (UTC)
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::Agreed with Omnibender. Do not rush a decision just based on the support of a few users, that is not how you get a consensus. You need to wait at least a few more days for a longer discussion to be held. --'''''[[User:SuperSajuuk|Sa]][[User talk:SuperSajuuk|ju]][[Special:Contributions/SuperSajuuk|uk]]''''' 22:27, June 9, 2016 (UTC)
:::::Don't capitalize the file extension? '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 20:25, October 26, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Interesting turnabout. Per Omnibender though. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 23:57, June 9, 2016 (UTC)
I finally got it, I just made the file name shorter and it worked. [[:File:ItachiSword.PNG|This is it]]. I don't know how to include it as just a blue word url link. I also can give you guys Itachi's Skeleton Susanoo from the manga as the anime one is bad.--[[User:Narutofox94|Narutofox94]] ([[User talk:Narutofox94|talk]]) 20:32, October 26, 2014 (UTC)
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::::The Databook also lists only Madara as a user of CB-S. Should we only list him and remove the others too? It's not a radically different technique, and was called Susanoo by multiple people. The old version was fine in my opinion. [[User:Demonic Phoenix|D.Phoenix]] ([[User talk:Demonic Phoenix|talk]]) 04:00, June 10, 2016 (UTC)
:C'est bien. Make the switch.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 20:35, October 26, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::Regarding the rationales given so far, I see none that justify the split. The Chidori/Lightning Cutter argument fails for me because there's a rank difference between those two moves. Not something that would ever work if those articles were merged. Highly similar Rasengan variants have been merged in the past, and I don't see enough difference in Susanoo stages to justify it. That would be like making different articles for different proficiency stages of Rasengan or Rasenshuriken. Like, Shadow Clone assisted Rasengan, regular Rasengan, throwable Rasenshuriken, non-throwable Rasenshuriken. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 18:33, June 10, 2016 (UTC)
[[:File:ItachiSkeleton.PNG|Here]] is what I think is a good replacement for Itachi's Skeleton Susanoo Too make this easier for people I have voluemes 25, 26, 42, 43, 51, 58, 59, 60, and 61 in digital color.--[[User:Narutofox94|Narutofox94]] ([[User talk:Narutofox94|talk]]) 20:45, October 26, 2014 (UTC)
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::::::Just in case it wasn't clear, if no discussion whatsoever takes place, I'm simply restoring the article and redirect as they were before, since there was no sort of procedural due process whatsoever. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 17:57, June 11, 2016 (UTC)
:What should we do? Itachi's Susanoo is colored differently between manga and anime. While the images @Narutodox94 uploaded are digitally colored, they follow Kishimoto's colorings closer than the anime does.--[[File:Mangekyō Sharingan Izuna.svg|15px]] [[User:JOA20|'''JOA''']][[User talk:JOA20|''20'']] 21:45, October 26, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::::The technique looks nothing alike to its parrent technique and its usages/strengths are quite different. If that doesn't warrant a split, i don't know what will. --[[User:Sarutobii2|Sarutobii2]] ([[User talk:Sarutobii2|talk]]) 18:10, June 11, 2016 (UTC)
::I've asked why we don't just use colored manga images before, and I was told that we only use colored manga images if we have to replace a black and white manga image with it. Otherwise, we'll use anime images. So I think the current image for Itachi's skeletal Susanoo stays, though I would prefer colored manga over anime, it's not up to me. [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] {{Mod}} [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]] [[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 22:00, October 26, 2014 (UTC)
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::::::::It's a developmental stage of the same jutsu, like I said, it would be like having different articles for melee Rasenshuriken, thrown Rasenshuriken, and chakra arm guided Rasenshuriken. Or even different articles for different developmental stages of Susanoo, like skeleton, full body, and armoured. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 18:39, June 11, 2016 (UTC)
:::Why do we use anime pictures over colored manga pictures?([[User:Kuroiraikou|Kuroiraikou]] ([[User talk:Kuroiraikou|talk]]) 00:30, October 27, 2014 (UTC))
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While I would rather the Susanoo and CB-S articles be one page again (because CB-S is simply a higher form), I have to admit, the articles look and read better when they are separate. And the gap in power between CB-S and the rest of Susanoo's stages is incredible. [[User:Demonic Phoenix|D.Phoenix]] ([[User talk:Demonic Phoenix|talk]]) 19:43, June 11, 2016 (UTC)
::::Do you know anyone with all colored manga issues? [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] {{Mod}} [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]] [[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 00:43, October 27, 2014 (UTC)
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:At most it deserves a separate section, but not a separate article.--[[User talk:JOA20|JOA<sup>20</sup>]]20:10, June 11, 2016 (UTC)
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::Seperate section sounds good to me. --[[User:JouXIII|JouXIII]] ([[User talk:JouXIII|talk]]) 20:38, June 11, 2016 (UTC)
   
== Susanoo jutsu's ==
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== Skeleton Form ==
   
So on the Susanoo page, we have a weapon section so i was wondering would it be worth making a section for Jutsu's that Sasanoo utilities and add images like [[:Yasaka Magatama|this]] and [[:Tengai Shinsei|this]]. Thoughts? --[[User:Bio havik|Bio havik]] ([[User talk:Bio havik|talk]]) 06:56, October 27, 2014 (UTC)
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Any particular reason the pictures of the incomplete skeletal Susanoo have been removed? I'd say the three we've seen look different enough to be worth including, and the image currently under Development could just be changed to a partially-formed Susanoo, like an arm or ribcage.--[[User:BeyondRed|BeyondRed]] ([[User talk:BeyondRed|talk]]) 02:00, July 22, 2016 (UTC)
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:They were [http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Susanoo?diff=1048350&oldid=1047947 removed] during a clean up of the article a while ago. Due to redundancy and image overload apparently. Though, I'd have no problem with your idea, though. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 02:11, July 22, 2016 (UTC)
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::Bumping this. Because I agree with adding the [[:File:Indra's susanoo.png|skeletal forms]] of Susanoo into the article again. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 01:33, July 25, 2016 (UTC)
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:::I don't think I mind, nor do I find them particularly necessary. What I do feel unnecessary is the reintroduction of incomplete skeletal forms, before anyone suggests that. By that, I mean anything short of full skeleton, like just the rib-cage or arm. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 02:23, July 25, 2016 (UTC)
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::::Same. I think just the skeletons will be just fine, rather than that and the ribcage. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 02:26, July 25, 2016 (UTC)
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:::::Yeah, having the ribcages and different-armed versions and so on was definitely overkill, but the full skeleton itself appears to be treated as a proper form of Susanoo. Sasuke's even had a distinct weapon that it only used in that form.--[[User:BeyondRed|BeyondRed]] ([[User talk:BeyondRed|talk]]) 05:28, July 25, 2016 (UTC)
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::::::Im fine with the proposed idea. --[[User:Sarutobii2|Sarutobii2]] ([[User talk:Sarutobii2|talk]]) 06:16, July 25, 2016 (UTC)
   
== Susanoo with tail beast power ==
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Just want to note: If we do all agree on this, I'll go back through the history of the page and restore the deleted skeleton images, just so it saves everyone the effort of re-uploading them. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 15:57, July 25, 2016 (UTC)
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:I'm okay with this too. Since Susanoo skeleton forms still have some individual features, which are distinctive for the particular users, I guess their images should be presented in the article. [[User:Ravenlot 27|Ravenlot 27]] ([[User talk:Ravenlot 27|talk]]) 16:10, July 25, 2016 (UTC)
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::Will go ahead with restoring the images and adding them to the article unless opposed. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 22:55, July 28, 2016 (UTC)
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:::As to which image we'll use for the development section... well, [http://imgur.com/a/anKif you all decide.] {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 23:24, July 28, 2016 (UTC)
   
Did sasuke absorb the tail beast in his susanoo permanently or was it temporary to attack naruto?--[[User:Ankhael|Ankhael]] ([[User talk:Ankhael|talk]]) 18:49, November 1, 2014 (UTC)
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==4 arms Susanoos==
:Temporary, all the chakra went into Indra's Arrow--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 10:19, November 2, 2014 (UTC)
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In descriptions of susanoos, that detail is missing and is more important from the shape of a nose of specific susanoos. From anime shots it is clear that Indra, Hagoromo and Madara's Susanoos have 4 arms but I don't know whether it's cannon or not, so I won't add to descriptions.
   
So does susanoo still have the beast within him?, I know he used Indra's Arrow, but before he used that attack he absorb the Tailed beasts chakra into one into susanoo like Gado statue, so could one say that the beast(s) is now trapped(sealed) within susanoo? --[[User:Ankhael|Ankhael]] ([[User talk:Ankhael|talk]]) 14:07, November 2, 2014 (UTC)
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Also it says ''Shisui has an exclusive Complete Body-Susanoo form, complete with a second pair of wing-shaped arms'' but the picture presents susanoo with only two hands. Although it's only a game thing it's unnecessary to create confusion. New image or change of description is quite necessary. And maybe change picture of Hagoromo's susanoo so that at least one of those back hands is seen. [[User:Rizgubi|Rizgubi]] ([[User talk:Rizgubi|talk]]) 20:11, February 1, 2018 (UTC)
:No, he took just some of their chakra, the beasts are still sealed in chibaku tensei--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 14:08, November 2, 2014 (UTC)
 
   
== Why shouldn't Complete Body Susanoo require the EMS or Six Path Chakra? ==
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:All Complete Body Susanoo have a second pair of arms that are the wings, so it's not a distinguishing trait useful in telling them apart. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 00:01, February 2, 2018 (UTC)
 
Seriously, the only people who have achieved it have had either. We can infer Indra had the latter due to being a ''direct descendant'' to Hagoromo, thus he and Asura both inherited the Six Path Chakra. And Kakashi was also only able to use Complete Body - Susanoo after receiving Obito's Six Path chakra a point he explicitly commented on (and shown when his Raikiri turned black). And It was alluded that Complete Body - Susanoo was the new 'jutsu' that Eternal Mangekyo Users receive from gaining both sets of eyes, with Sasuke and Madara being the only Uchiha capable of using it due to achieving the EMS. Itachi with a sole Mangekyo Sharingan and without any Six Path enhancement could get his Susanoo no where close to what EMS users or Six Path users could, so its quite clear that its either the eyes or the chakra that awakens that form of Susanoo.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 19:02, April 3, 2015 (UTC)
 
:So your stance is Sasuke/Madara had Six Paths Chakra because they're Indra's incarnation's, and because Indra himself had Six Path's Chakra? Nah,that sounds like a reach.If this were the case Sasuke/Madara would have Rinnegan since birth.The most likely explanation- is that PS requires massive amounts of chakra which can only be gained if you have EMS or Rikudou Chakra as a battery. --[[User:Vacent|Vacent]] ([[User talk:Vacent|talk]]) 19:37, April 3, 2015 (UTC)--[[User:Vacent|Vacent]] ([[User talk:Vacent|talk]]) 19:41, April 3, 2015 (UTC)
 
::^What he said, sounds exactly like a reach. All of that, SuperSaiyaMan, was inferred by you, and never stated anywhere. Therefore, we can't say for sure. And none of that was in the databook. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 19:43, April 3, 2015 (UTC)
 
:::Only logical thing shown yet, is large enough chakra levels and enough mastery of Susanoo and you can get to that point.. that would seem to be the only reason Itachi did not showcase that is he did not have the chakra levels. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 21:07, April 3, 2015 (UTC)
 
::::But this isn't something that doesn't need to be said. And no Vacent, Sasuke and Madara were only able to, at first be able to use the Complete Body - Susanoo due to having achieved the Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan. Kakashi was able to use the technique, as he said he had obtained it, Obito's Six Path Chakra. Indra being a direct descendant, Hagoromo's fricking son to have Six Path chakra. All I'm saying that from what the manga has shown is that the Mangekyo Sharingan ''alone'' isn't able to accomplish the feat. Even Itachi said the Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan allowed the user to access a new jutsu and power than the ordinary Mangekyo can't do.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 21:46, April 3, 2015 (UTC)
 
:::::I really don't get why you bring up these weird discussions on the talkpage when you should know that talkpages are about improving the article. This is just some discussion that belongs on the forums. Also, don't insert your replies in between other people's messages, keep it chronological please. --[[User:SuperSajuuk|Sajuuk]] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:SuperSajuuk|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SuperSajuuk|contribs]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 21:49, April 3, 2015 (UTC)
 
::::::Talk pages are also for discussing edits and/or editing disputes for the related article. SuperSaiyaMan made an edit to the article, the edit was reverted, so he started this discussion. His actions are entirely appropriate. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 23:29, April 3, 2015 (UTC)
 
Had another thought recently in giving Complete Body - Susanoo its own article, instead of grouping it here since it looked like Databook 4 treated it as a separate technique. Just like [[Majestic Attire: Susanoo]], so it shouldn't be a problem, would it?--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 02:59, April 5, 2015 (UTC)
 
:I think it's unnecessary separating them.--[[User:Kuroiraikou|Kuroiraikou]] ([[User talk:Kuroiraikou|talk]]) 04:11, April 5, 2015 (UTC)
 
::Maybe it could just get its own subsection under Development? We haven't split Kurama Mode off from Nine-Tails Chakra Mode either, and it's basically in the same boat as Complete Body - Susanoo. Whatever we decide to do with one should also be done with the other.--[[User:BeyondRed|BeyondRed]] ([[User talk:BeyondRed|talk]]) 04:58, April 5, 2015 (UTC)
 
:::I could have decided to make Complete Body - Susanoo an article. I decided not to and made it a redirect for this reason: The Susanoo page is supposed to showcase all stages of the technique for each user.
 
:::However, for Kakashi and Indra, the Complete Body - Susanoo is the only stage for them. If we decide to do things "just like [[Majestic Attire: Susanoo]]" and separate CB - Susanoo from this article, it would literally strip this article of the entire sections for Kakashi and Indra.
 
:::Therefore, I opted to make CB - Susanoo a redirect.
 
:::EDIT: And agree with Snapper, I'd rather have you address things like this on the talkpage first and only so we don't have to switch between this and the forums. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 16:43, April 5, 2015 (UTC)
 
 
== blue kakashi susanoo? ==
 
 
where's that colour image from? theres no source for a reference given
 
 
[[User:Hadrimon|Hadrimon]] ([[User talk:Hadrimon|talk]]) 09:43, July 28, 2015 (UTC)
 
:Shueisha's official color release. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 09:47, July 28, 2015 (UTC)
 
::Not canon though.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 11:37, July 28, 2015 (UTC)
 
:::As canon as it gets. Only Kishi's own colors are more canon. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 11:50, July 28, 2015 (UTC)
 
::::Or rather only Kishi's own colors are canon ^_ anything else is essentially fan-interpretation no matter how official.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 14:24, July 29, 2015 (UTC)
 
:::::Well, you could say the same about the anime and still we use the anime's pictures for everything. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 14:29, July 29, 2015 (UTC)
 
::::::Which reminds me- even if the anime does not color it blue, would we still use the anime image when it is released?--[[User:KirinNOTKarin98|KirinNOTKarin98]] ([[User talk:KirinNOTKarin98|talk]]) 15:15, July 29, 2015 (UTC)
 
:::::::Yes. Considering it isn't straight from Kishi, the blue coloring would probably be moved to trivia (Not a mod, just a longtime user making an informed opinion).{{User:SasookayIsRlyCoo/Sig1}}15:37,7/29/2015 15:37, July 29, 2015 (UTC)
 
 
== Itachi & Shisui confirmed to have Perfect Susanoo's ==
 
 
[http://www.shonengamez.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/MLSusanoo.jpg Link to scan]--[[User:DC52|DC52]] ([[User talk:DC52|talk]]) 10:58, October 1, 2015 (UTC)
 
: No, they don't. They never achieved that form in the manga or anime, thus they don't have it. Its only in ''Naruto Shippuden: Ultimate Ninja Storm 4'' they have it, and that's game-only content too boot.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 18:51, October 9, 2015 (UTC)
 
::They're not canon, but no reason not to include their pictures in the article when we can just add (game only) next to them. Shisui's Susanoo wasn't even canon in the first place.--[[User:BeyondRed|BeyondRed]] ([[User talk:BeyondRed|talk]]) 20:06, October 9, 2015 (UTC)
 
:::But his showed up in an OVA, elevating it to anime. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:23, October 9, 2015 (UTC)
 
::::Whats wrong with including the images in the Itachi and Shisui section in the article, and acknowledge in the image description that there game only? --[[User:Sarada Uzumaki|Sarada Uzumaki]] ([[User talk:Sarada Uzumaki|talk]]) 22:31, October 9, 2015 (UTC)
 
:::::I don't oppose adding info of them to the article, but not in their users' respective sections. That would imply they are canon, which they are not. They should go in the trivia section, where other game related information regarding Susanoo is already listed. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:38, October 9, 2015 (UTC)
 
:::::The form is canon, but the usage isn't. Could always just put a note in the description that it isn't canon. --[[User:Sarada Uzumaki|Sarada Uzumaki]] ([[User talk:Sarada Uzumaki|talk]]) 22:57, October 9, 2015 (UTC)
 
The things is that Kishimoto himself designed these forms. So even though Itachi and Shisui presumably never achieved Kanseitai Susanoo in the manga or anime, this is what they would have looked like if they did. So long as it's made clear the forms were only ever used in a video game, what would be the issue with putting them under the users' sections, perhaps with the information being confined to a separate paragraph?--[[User:BeyondRed|BeyondRed]] ([[User talk:BeyondRed|talk]]) 23:35, October 9, 2015 (UTC)
 
:Considering it's been over a month since this has been last discussed, would it be fair to request that the "separate paragraph" include a description of the respective Susanoo's appearance? I know that the nature of out-of-canon material would put be superfluous on different pages (movie-only Rasengan being a notable one) if not opening the discussion to a lot of other things. However, if it was only on this page, I don't think it's out of the question.[[User:Lokker G|Lokker G]] ([[User talk:Lokker G|talk]]) 00:11, November 14, 2015 (UTC)
 
::Why does the appearance need to be described if the picture is right there? '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 06:09, November 19, 2015 (UTC)
 
 
==Canon==
 
I think we should use the colored manga images of Itachis Susanoo. the Red color is non-canon. and looks bad in the anime anyways.--[[User:AskinNakkLeVaar|AskinNakkLeVaar]] ([[User talk:AskinNakkLeVaar|talk]]) 22:38, November 19, 2015 (UTC)
 
 
bump. I mean youd have to be completly blind to think [http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/naruto/images/1/18/Itachi%27s_armoured_Susanoo.png/revision/latest?cb=20141016104444]this is better than this[http://i.imgur.com/xIaVhXr.jpg]--[[User:AskinNakkLeVaar|AskinNakkLeVaar]] ([[User talk:AskinNakkLeVaar|talk]]) 21:56, November 22, 2015 (UTC)
 
:I agree the correct colors should be used if they can.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 22:36, November 22, 2015 (UTC)
 
::The yellow colour is from where? Shueisha's own colour team? The only canon coloured picture is the one from that one cover. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 22:40, November 22, 2015 (UTC)
 
 
its using the canon color scheme. canon color scheme>>>>>>anime color scheme.--[[User:AskinNakkLeVaar|AskinNakkLeVaar]] ([[User talk:AskinNakkLeVaar|talk]]) 22:47, November 22, 2015 (UTC)
 
:By that logic, a picture drawn by a fan with the canon colour scheme > anime colour scheme. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 00:19, November 23, 2015 (UTC)
 
 
thats terrible logic as we have many colored manga images even some on this page, and these official colored manga images are OFFICIAL and far more canon than the anime.--[[User:AskinNakkLeVaar|AskinNakkLeVaar]] ([[User talk:AskinNakkLeVaar|talk]]) 00:24, November 23, 2015 (UTC)
 
:All pictures from the coloured manga are be replaced by anime versions as soon as they are available. We only use coloured manga images if the scene is depicted incorrectly in the anime. Generally, the anime is considered to be more canon than the coloured manga, at least from what I know. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 00:35, November 23, 2015 (UTC)
 
 
They aren't if they are using a canon colorization when the anime does not. Which it is indepicting Itachi's Susanoo incorrectly. I don't see why you are so afraid of using these to depict it properly; especially how the anime image of Susanoo is terrible looking anyway.--[[User:AskinNakkLeVaar|AskinNakkLeVaar]] ([[User talk:AskinNakkLeVaar|talk]]) 00:41, November 23, 2015 (UTC)
 
 
There is no hint of red in Itachi's Susanoo on manga cover. The anime colored it red before Kishi drew it yellow on the cover, so it's incorrect.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 16:37, November 23, 2015 (UTC)
 
:I don't know... After looking my copy of Volume 58, to me it looks more of light orange. --[[User:JouXIII|JouXIII]] ([[User talk:JouXIII|talk]]) 16:52, November 23, 2015 (UTC)
 
::[http://i.imgur.com/xIaVhXr.jpg This] is non canon as well, as all the susanoo are meant to have orange-ish eyes like with Sasuke's and Madara's in the manga. --[[User:Bio havik|Bio havik]] ([[User talk:Bio havik|talk]]) 17:19, November 23, 2015 (UTC)
 
:::Itachi's does have white eyes on volume 58's cover though. Presumably because its body is already yellow and the eyes need to stand out.--[[User:BeyondRed|BeyondRed]] ([[User talk:BeyondRed|talk]]) 19:26, November 23, 2015 (UTC)
 
::::as said no its not noncanon as Itachis has white eyes on the cover too. also, its def 100% golden and not orange; [http://static.minitokyo.net/downloads/31/07/672881.jpg?1740510183]--[[User:AskinNakkLeVaar|AskinNakkLeVaar]] ([[User talk:AskinNakkLeVaar|talk]]) 22:07, November 23, 2015 (UTC)
 
:::::That's the original eye color of susunoo before it got retcon to orange. --[[User:Bio havik|Bio havik]] ([[User talk:Bio havik|talk]]) 15:36, November 24, 2015 (UTC)
 
Itachi's humanoid susanoo canon color is yellow. As for the canon color of its armoured version, its a mystery if it followers the same color scheme. And even if his armoured susanoo was also yellow, [http://i.imgur.com/xIaVhXr.jpg this is orange]. --[[User:Sarutobii2|Sarutobii2]] ([[User talk:Sarutobii2|talk]]) 12:08, November 25, 2015 (UTC)
 
 
== Sasuke's EMS version ==
 
Is it actually correct to add the image of Sasuke's armoured EMS Susanoo version from the latest 450 Shippuden episode? I thought that the only reason for manga image to stay there was the wrong depiction of the Susanoo sword (which was supposed to be from Amaterasu flames in the manga, but turned out to be the same ephemeral substance Susano's made from in the anime), and the image from the 450 episode still follows the previous depiction of the anime regarding this sword. [[User:Ravenlot 27|Ravenlot 27]] ([[User talk:Ravenlot 27|talk]]) 18:09, February 26, 2016 (UTC)
 
:The sword being purple instead of black would be a wrong depiction of Blaze Release: Susanoo Kagutsuchi, not Susanoo. But anyway, i'll swap images. --[[User:Sarutobii2|Sarutobii2]] ([[User talk:Sarutobii2|talk]]) 18:32, February 26, 2016 (UTC)
 
::Question: did that Sasuke got EMS?--[[User:JouXIII|JouXIII]] ([[User talk:JouXIII|talk]]) 18:39, February 26, 2016 (UTC)
 
:::Oh i forgot, [[:File:Eternal Mangekyō Armoured Susanoo.png|this image of susanoo]] with its sword isn't wrong, as that's the sword [[:File:Obito vs Titans.png|Sasuke used to fight Obito with]] in the manga and anime. And no Jou. --[[User:Sarutobii2|Sarutobii2]] ([[User talk:Sarutobii2|talk]]) 18:56, February 26, 2016 (UTC)
 
::::It was just the only logical reason I found for the manga image of EMS Susanoo to stay even after this form showed up in the anime. But I'm totally OK with the current one, although this Susanoo form never used Kagutsuchi arrows in the canon storyline. [[User:Ravenlot 27|Ravenlot 27]] ([[User talk:Ravenlot 27|talk]]) 19:11, February 26, 2016 (UTC)
 

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Complete Body Susanoo Edit

Should Complete Body - Susanoo have its own article? After all, Databook 4 treated it as a separate technique to Susanoo. We'd still mention it here, but use all the pictures of CB-S on its own article, thus shortening this one substantially for a good trimming. What do you guys think?--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 19:59, June 9, 2016 (UTC)

Agreed, for the reasons you listed in this discussion.--KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 21:17, June 9, 2016 (UTC)]
Be easier to find information on CBS so why not. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 21:18, June 9, 2016 (UTC)
When creating a discussion, don't create it in multiple places, since that breaks up the discussion needlessly. You made the topic on the talkpage, which was the correct location, so there is no need to have a thread on the forums, especially as the forums aren't a place for such a discussion either. --Sajuuk 21:21, June 9, 2016 (UTC)
I also find it a nice idea, at least to partially relieve the main Susanoo article. Ravenlot 27 (talk) 21:22, June 9, 2016 (UTC)
Yeah, I'm all for it as well. We already have a bunch of Rasengan variants that have their own articles, so this is a good suggestion.--SSJ2AJB (talk) 21:28, June 9, 2016 (UTC)
Okay, I'll start making the new article! --SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 21:34, June 9, 2016 (UTC)
Way to wait a reasonable amount of time before making any changes. Just because the databook lists it a certain way, doesn't mean we do it exactly the same. Fourth databook listed a bunch of Rasengan and Rasenshuriken variants under the same entry, I highly doubt many would agree to merge those articles. I don't oppose this in principle, but it needs way more discussion, and the creation of the article was extremely premature. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:09, June 9, 2016 (UTC)
Agreed with Omnibender. Do not rush a decision just based on the support of a few users, that is not how you get a consensus. You need to wait at least a few more days for a longer discussion to be held. --Sajuuk 22:27, June 9, 2016 (UTC)
Interesting turnabout. Per Omnibender though. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 23:57, June 9, 2016 (UTC)
The Databook also lists only Madara as a user of CB-S. Should we only list him and remove the others too? It's not a radically different technique, and was called Susanoo by multiple people. The old version was fine in my opinion. D.Phoenix (talk) 04:00, June 10, 2016 (UTC)
Regarding the rationales given so far, I see none that justify the split. The Chidori/Lightning Cutter argument fails for me because there's a rank difference between those two moves. Not something that would ever work if those articles were merged. Highly similar Rasengan variants have been merged in the past, and I don't see enough difference in Susanoo stages to justify it. That would be like making different articles for different proficiency stages of Rasengan or Rasenshuriken. Like, Shadow Clone assisted Rasengan, regular Rasengan, throwable Rasenshuriken, non-throwable Rasenshuriken. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:33, June 10, 2016 (UTC)
Just in case it wasn't clear, if no discussion whatsoever takes place, I'm simply restoring the article and redirect as they were before, since there was no sort of procedural due process whatsoever. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:57, June 11, 2016 (UTC)
The technique looks nothing alike to its parrent technique and its usages/strengths are quite different. If that doesn't warrant a split, i don't know what will. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 18:10, June 11, 2016 (UTC)
It's a developmental stage of the same jutsu, like I said, it would be like having different articles for melee Rasenshuriken, thrown Rasenshuriken, and chakra arm guided Rasenshuriken. Or even different articles for different developmental stages of Susanoo, like skeleton, full body, and armoured. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:39, June 11, 2016 (UTC)

While I would rather the Susanoo and CB-S articles be one page again (because CB-S is simply a higher form), I have to admit, the articles look and read better when they are separate. And the gap in power between CB-S and the rest of Susanoo's stages is incredible. D.Phoenix (talk) 19:43, June 11, 2016 (UTC)

At most it deserves a separate section, but not a separate article.--JOA2020:10, June 11, 2016 (UTC)
Seperate section sounds good to me. --JouXIII (talk) 20:38, June 11, 2016 (UTC)

Skeleton Form Edit

Any particular reason the pictures of the incomplete skeletal Susanoo have been removed? I'd say the three we've seen look different enough to be worth including, and the image currently under Development could just be changed to a partially-formed Susanoo, like an arm or ribcage.--BeyondRed (talk) 02:00, July 22, 2016 (UTC)

They were removed during a clean up of the article a while ago. Due to redundancy and image overload apparently. Though, I'd have no problem with your idea, though. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 02:11, July 22, 2016 (UTC)
Bumping this. Because I agree with adding the skeletal forms of Susanoo into the article again. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 01:33, July 25, 2016 (UTC)
I don't think I mind, nor do I find them particularly necessary. What I do feel unnecessary is the reintroduction of incomplete skeletal forms, before anyone suggests that. By that, I mean anything short of full skeleton, like just the rib-cage or arm. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 02:23, July 25, 2016 (UTC)
Same. I think just the skeletons will be just fine, rather than that and the ribcage. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 02:26, July 25, 2016 (UTC)
Yeah, having the ribcages and different-armed versions and so on was definitely overkill, but the full skeleton itself appears to be treated as a proper form of Susanoo. Sasuke's even had a distinct weapon that it only used in that form.--BeyondRed (talk) 05:28, July 25, 2016 (UTC)
Im fine with the proposed idea. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 06:16, July 25, 2016 (UTC)

Just want to note: If we do all agree on this, I'll go back through the history of the page and restore the deleted skeleton images, just so it saves everyone the effort of re-uploading them. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 15:57, July 25, 2016 (UTC)

I'm okay with this too. Since Susanoo skeleton forms still have some individual features, which are distinctive for the particular users, I guess their images should be presented in the article. Ravenlot 27 (talk) 16:10, July 25, 2016 (UTC)
Will go ahead with restoring the images and adding them to the article unless opposed. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 22:55, July 28, 2016 (UTC)
As to which image we'll use for the development section... well, you all decide. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 23:24, July 28, 2016 (UTC)

4 arms SusanoosEdit

In descriptions of susanoos, that detail is missing and is more important from the shape of a nose of specific susanoos. From anime shots it is clear that Indra, Hagoromo and Madara's Susanoos have 4 arms but I don't know whether it's cannon or not, so I won't add to descriptions.

Also it says Shisui has an exclusive Complete Body-Susanoo form, complete with a second pair of wing-shaped arms but the picture presents susanoo with only two hands. Although it's only a game thing it's unnecessary to create confusion. New image or change of description is quite necessary. And maybe change picture of Hagoromo's susanoo so that at least one of those back hands is seen. Rizgubi (talk) 20:11, February 1, 2018 (UTC)

All Complete Body Susanoo have a second pair of arms that are the wings, so it's not a distinguishing trait useful in telling them apart. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:01, February 2, 2018 (UTC)
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