Jiraiya vs Naruto's Sage Mode Rasengan

Ok, I didn't read the chapter where Jiraiya was in Sage Mode, but I did read this week's. In the chapter where Jiraiya used sage mode and tried to hit Pain w/ the Giant Rasengan, was it called something different than the one that Naruto used this week? If not, could it be that the technique that Naruto used is the same? I know that the one Naruto used is specifically named, so if it is the same then this article should be merged w/ the one for Naruto.

The names are differnt. Jiraiya literally used Cho Oodoma Rasengan (Super Great Ball Rasengan) while Naruto used Senpo: Oodama Rasengan (Hermit's Art: Great Ball Rasengan). Two different techniques.--TheUltimate3 16:17, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

The techniques are likely the same, though. It should also be noted that Naruto's rasengan didn't stop growing on the panel used here on Narutopedia. Notice that on the panel where Naruto hit the summons, the Rasengan was much larger than himself.

Name and patent

Shouldn't the name of the tech be Senpo: Cho Oodama Rasengan also shouldn't the patent jutsu be Rasengan Rather than the Great ball or should it be both--Nintendo-Fan (talk) 06:53, October 28, 2009 (UTC)Nintendo-Fan

Why would the parent jutsu be Rasengan, thats its "grand"parent jutsu. Simant (talk) 17:47, November 6, 2009 (UTC)

Should we add Sage Art: Super Great Ball Rasengan to the "Derived" list? (talk) 15:32, June 22, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think that Senpō: Chōōdama Rasen Tarengan should be on the derived list, since it's not directly derived from the Cho Odama Rasengan. (talk) 16:38, July 2, 2010 (UTC)


His technique and Jiraiya's technique are the same Naruto just called it something else because he never heard Jiraiya say it. Jiraiya was in Sage Mode so it is more than likely a sage technique. Naruto used the Double Rasengan in chapter 432 and then called it the Sage Tech: Double Rasengan in chapter 433. So I think only the names are different but the techniques are the same.—This unsigned comment was made by (talkcontribs) .

If it's all the same to you I think we'll wait for an official release on this.--Cerez365 Hyūga Symbol 15:00, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

naruto was able to do the technique because his other clone was going into sage mode so it got the natural energy to make it but his clone wasn't ready going into the mode.But its the the same technique as jiraiya —This unsigned comment was made by Sora5687 (talkcontribs) .

The clone performing the technique didn't have natural energy to be in sage more. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:18, November 3, 2011 (UTC)


Does it mean that Naruto's "own" power/chakra has surpassed that of Jiraiya ? Jiraiya had to be in Sage Mode to use this technique while Naruto was shown to be able to use the same technique without being so ... Is Naruto's normal/own chakra now stronger than that of Jiraiya's while being in Sage Mode ? I think so Elveonora (talk) 01:08, October 25, 2011 (UTC)


When did Naruto use this in the anime? (talk) 17:04, November 3, 2011 (UTC)

Two or three weeks ago, in before the girl's hang-out episode. He's also used it in the manga recently. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:10, November 3, 2011 (UTC)

Same kanji as Naruto's version

As Naruto's version uses the same kanji as Jiraiya's---except for the "Senpō" bit attached in front of it---why are they still separate articles?

  • Naruto's: Senpō: Chō Ōdama Rasengan
  • Jiraiya's: Chōōdama Rasengan (I don't even understand why this one is written without space)

It gets even weirder when Naruto is a user of both techniques! Can't we just merge these two articles?--Joolushko Tunai Fenta Hovalis (talk) 23:34, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

They were named differently. Odd, yes. However, Sage Art: Rasenrengan is simply Twin Rasengan in Sage Mode, but named differently. Anyway, Naruto can use this outside of Sage Mode. The only way I could see us combining the two is if the 4th databook affirms them as one and the same. Skitts (talk) 04:23, April 2, 2012 (UTC)
Uhm...I was talking about Sage_Art:_Ultra-Big_Ball_Rasengan and Ultra-Big_Ball_Rasengan...and both use senjutsu chakra to create an ultra-big-ball-rasengan. Furthermore, Naruto has used both. Which makes it extremely weird to have two articles describing the same thing.--Joolushko Tunai Fenta Hovalis (talk) 18:01, April 3, 2012 (UTC)
And as I said, they were named differently. Ultra-Big Ball Rasengan was given a databook article under that name (this was before the use of Naruto's version). They may very well be one and the same, but again, we can't change it unless we learn that from an official source (likely the 4th DB). Skitts (talk) 19:08, April 3, 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply. And I understand now that you previously tried to make an analogy to the case of Sage Technique: Spiralling Serial Spheres versus Twin Rasengan. However, there was an actual difference in that case: one used senjutsu chakra while the other didn't. In the situation of Sage_Art:_Ultra-Big_Ball_Rasengan and Ultra-Big_Ball_Rasengan there aren't any differences. And the "Senpō" bit should get the same treatment as "Ninpō"; i.e. some ninja use it while others don't. (BTW, the trivia about Naruto using this technique outside sage mode has been clarified.)
Anyway...I'm not the first to point this out and I probably won't be the last. I won't continue arguing about this, but waiting for a Databook to be published seems like a lame excuse. It's a wiki! It's easy to change things.--Joolushko Tunai Fenta Hovalis (talk) 13:32, April 4, 2012 (UTC)
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