Konohagakure affiliation

Ok Michi guide book stated Uzumaki as Konoha clan, since before guide book we were negative on that affiliation there is edit warning(which turned invalid by now) because of that i created this topic. So if anyone has something to suggest on this topic feel free to share. ./ Rage gtx (talk) 19:45, May 9, 2015 (UTC)

Ok, I think it is right[1]. This clan after the destruction of Uzushiogakure, they have moved to other villages: Konohagakure, Amegakure, Kusagakure ... surely in Konohagakure there are still living members. --Sharingan91 (talk) 20:00, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
Unlike the other clans, the Uzumaki clan was shown to have an affiliation with Uzushiogakure. In the Michi guidebook, their symbol was shown with other Konoha clans. General question to everyone: does the Uzumaki clan finally have an affiliation with Konohagakure due to the picture in the guidebook? Or do we still not add Konohagakure in the affiliations parameter due to it being an "alliance" or so? WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic.svg 20:01, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
Before the Uzumaki were wiped out, Uzushiogakure was their only affiliation. I don't see why a guidebook picture all of a sudden changes a fact that's been long since established in the manga. Konoha & Uzushio had a great relationship, that's about it. It's an alliance.--Minamoto15 (Talk) 20:05, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
Fact: I do love how we're now trying to decide that the manga is somehow irrelevant due to some random guidebook.
Fact: Guidebooks do not simply "retcon" the manga.
Fact: This discussion is simply pointless. Per Minamoto15. --Sajuuk [Mod] talk | contribs | Channel 20:12, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
It's not pointless, otherwise I wouldn't have asked Rage gtx to take it to the talkpage after this happened. But he and I were just wondering. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic.svg 20:17, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
Let's try that -_- . What you intend to "Affiliation" ?? For me, we should list all the villages where members of the clan have lived. --Sharingan91 (talk) 20:19, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
@WindStar7125 i think your question is answered in sentence: "printed with the faces and crests of renowned shinobi clans of Konohagakure Village" and after then again Uzumaki listed beside other Konoha clan.
@SSJ no manga never stated that Uzumaki is not affiliated with Konoha, manga only stated that Uzumaki affiliated with Uzushio (absence of evidence is not evidence of absence) so guide book extended manga not retconed it ./ Rage gtx (talk) 20:22, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
So the Uzumaki clan now has two affiliations (if that's possible...)? Or not? WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic.svg 20:24, May 9, 2015 (UTC),

@windstar, yes... Uzushiogakure(before)
Konohagakure(now)--Sharingan91 (talk) 20:29, May 9, 2015 (UTC)

@WindStar why not? Konoha & Uzushio were in Alliance after all it was easily possible even before and many people thought that way(reason to place warning in first place i guess), now they are stated as Konoha clan by book. ./ Rage gtx (talk) 20:32, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
Imo the only reason we wouldn't add them is if somewhere in the manga its says or indicates clans cant have an affiliation with 2 villages. And people do relies there are other Uzumaki's in the village right? Like Tsunade and her parents and most likely other Uzumaki refugees from Uzushiogakure. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 22:12, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
Hmm, *absence of evidence is not evidence of absence*. Wonder where I've heard that one before? Do what you will, or already did.--Minamoto15 (Talk) 22:32, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
Doesn't a "clan" indicate a family? Since an Uzumaki "family" lives in Konoha now (Naruto's family), shouldn't the clan also be affiliated with the village. And it really sounds strange that the clan, from which the Seventh Hokage hails, is not affiliated with the location the person rules.--Omojuze (talk) 20:17, May 10, 2015 (UTC)
Not really, Uchiha CLAN, Sasuke's family was 4 people, the rest were never stated to be related to them by blood(thou i assume all of them are related atleast distantly, ie sasuke's paternal great x5 grandfather had a brother, and one of the background Uchiha was his descendant, close enough to share the name, but far enough that they probably don't realize it)Phazeblade (talk) 05:52, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

Sarada Uchiha

Shouldn't technically Sarada be here? Just wondering. -- JosephP (talk) 20:47, June 24, 2015 (UTC)

No because she's an Uchiha. Not to be rude, but you people should do some research what a Clan is beforehand.--Omojuze (talk) 20:51, June 24, 2015 (UTC)
This is a tougher one to navigate, because since Karin and Sasuke never married you can't really use the "marriage" argument to not list her as an Uzumaki Clan member. That being said though, based on what we have, Omojuze is right here. She's born into the Uchiha Clan.--Mina Hatake Symbol.svg talk | contribs 20:56, June 24, 2015 (UTC)
Even if Karin and Sasuke were to be married, Sarada would still be an Uchiha. >.>--Omojuze (talk) 20:57, June 24, 2015 (UTC)
I know that, but it isn't the reality we're dealing with. Anyway, once born she's the member of the male's clan, while a descendant of the mothers'. What's the difference? Marginal to nonexistent. But it is what it is. You can't be a memeber of two clans is the overall point here.--Mina Hatake Symbol.svg talk | contribs 21:01, June 24, 2015 (UTC)
If you can't be a member of two clans, why is Hinata Hyuga here? Her article says she's part of the Hyuga clan, so according to this Wiki, she is both a Hyuga and Uzumaki. -- JosephP (talk) 01:20, June 26, 2015 (UTC)
Sorry, let me rephrase that. My previous comment only applies to the born kids. Hinata married into the Uzumaki Clan, so she's a member of that clan now, but that doesn't eliminate the fact that she's still a Hyuga Clan member and has been since birth. Simply put, only the wives are gonna be listed as multiple clan members. Anyway, as far as we know Sarada is without question of Uzumaki lineage, but she was born into the Uchiha Clan, hence why she's a member.--Mina Hatake Symbol.svg talk | contribs 02:29, June 26, 2015 (UTC)
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