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Sorry that I am bringing it up, but..
Why isnt Naruto listed as a wielder of the Wood Release? He possess Zetsus arm--Keeptfighting (talk) 10:15, September 7, 2015 (UTC)
- Because Naruto doesn't use Wood Release. --Sharingan91 (talk) 10:32, September 7, 2015 (UTC)
- Orochimaru either?--Keeptfighting (talk) 10:39, September 7, 2015 (UTC)
- Many times I asked to remove Orochimaru as a user. --Sharingan91 (talk) 10:45, September 7, 2015 (UTC)
- But he is still listed. So as long as he is listed as a user of WR, Naruto should too.--Keeptfighting (talk) 10:47, September 7, 2015 (UTC)
- Many times I asked to remove Orochimaru as a user. --Sharingan91 (talk) 10:45, September 7, 2015 (UTC)
- Orochimaru either?--Keeptfighting (talk) 10:39, September 7, 2015 (UTC)
Momoshiki
If he was a user, then it's incorrect to say the originator is Hashirama, no?--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 12:13, November 24, 2016 (UTC)
- Before Momoshiki absorbed WR from Katasuke's kote, Naruto was bound to the god tree, which suggests was done via WR. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 12:39, November 24, 2016 (UTC)
- Katasuke used WR through Kote and Momo absorbed it? Don't remember such scene. Also I'm still quite annoyed how badly this is being handled. Only those who actually possess a kekkei genkai should have the label and it shown in the infobox, for example Naruto shouldn't have Magnet, Boil or Lava in his infobox, it's misleading and incorrect.--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 17:39, November 24, 2016 (UTC)
- Don't recall Katasuke having WE through the Kote either. But I disagree with your notion that Naruto shouldn't be listed as having those kekkei genkai in his infobox. By that logic, he should also not be listed as having negative emotion sensing, since that is Kurama's power. No jinchuriki should ever be listed as a Tailed Beast Ball user, and so on. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:59, November 24, 2016 (UTC)
- That's different, when a jinchuuriki is in control and he or she uses TBB, they are the one doing it, so they are users. And Naruto is indeed a user of Magnet, Boil and Lava, hence why they are shown in his Jutsu part of infobox, but they shouldn't be treated as his kekkei genkai.--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 19:08, November 24, 2016 (UTC)
- A long while ago, back when the "how to treat Son Goku's Lava Release" arguments were raging, I recall being indifferent about those natures being listed as kekkei genkai. My argument was, if those are genetic abilities, and the tailed beasts are technically made of chakra, they don't have genes, so kekkei genkai would be off the table, but it wouldn't bother me much having them listed as such. Those advanced natures could be listed in their nature listing, but not as kekkei genkai. I don't recall much that happened during those arguments, but I believe that once at least some of those advanced nature tailed beast based jutsu were listed as kekkei genkai in databooks, it became a moot point. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:18, November 24, 2016 (UTC)
- Who said they have no genes? They have consciousness, skin, flesh, bones, blood, saliva etc. and they have even aged... isn't aging a slowdown in cell renewal? They are clearly physical. Just because they were created from chakra, doesn't mean they are literary just chakra. They are not like Shadow Clones, temporarily physical, but dispersing back to chakra when struck. If the databook lists them as kekkei genkai, then the Tailed Beast clearly must have genes. Point is the jinchuuriki shouldn't be labeled as having said kekkei genkai too--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 19:29, November 24, 2016 (UTC)
- In that case, Kakashi shouldn't be listed with the Sharingan Kekkei Genkai, either. • Seelentau 愛 議 20:37, November 24, 2016 (UTC)
- The "they're just chakra" argument was made before their origins were shown. A specific case of jinchuriki based jutsu being labelled kekkei genkai is Boil Release: Unrivalled Strength. Explicitly shown as something Naruto could use only because of Kokuo, labelled as kekkei genkai in its entry in the Jin no Sho. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:00, November 24, 2016 (UTC)
- In that case, Kakashi shouldn't be listed with the Sharingan Kekkei Genkai, either. • Seelentau 愛 議 20:37, November 24, 2016 (UTC)
- Who said they have no genes? They have consciousness, skin, flesh, bones, blood, saliva etc. and they have even aged... isn't aging a slowdown in cell renewal? They are clearly physical. Just because they were created from chakra, doesn't mean they are literary just chakra. They are not like Shadow Clones, temporarily physical, but dispersing back to chakra when struck. If the databook lists them as kekkei genkai, then the Tailed Beast clearly must have genes. Point is the jinchuuriki shouldn't be labeled as having said kekkei genkai too--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 19:29, November 24, 2016 (UTC)
- A long while ago, back when the "how to treat Son Goku's Lava Release" arguments were raging, I recall being indifferent about those natures being listed as kekkei genkai. My argument was, if those are genetic abilities, and the tailed beasts are technically made of chakra, they don't have genes, so kekkei genkai would be off the table, but it wouldn't bother me much having them listed as such. Those advanced natures could be listed in their nature listing, but not as kekkei genkai. I don't recall much that happened during those arguments, but I believe that once at least some of those advanced nature tailed beast based jutsu were listed as kekkei genkai in databooks, it became a moot point. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:18, November 24, 2016 (UTC)
- That's different, when a jinchuuriki is in control and he or she uses TBB, they are the one doing it, so they are users. And Naruto is indeed a user of Magnet, Boil and Lava, hence why they are shown in his Jutsu part of infobox, but they shouldn't be treated as his kekkei genkai.--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 19:08, November 24, 2016 (UTC)
- Don't recall Katasuke having WE through the Kote either. But I disagree with your notion that Naruto shouldn't be listed as having those kekkei genkai in his infobox. By that logic, he should also not be listed as having negative emotion sensing, since that is Kurama's power. No jinchuriki should ever be listed as a Tailed Beast Ball user, and so on. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:59, November 24, 2016 (UTC)
- Katasuke used WR through Kote and Momo absorbed it? Don't remember such scene. Also I'm still quite annoyed how badly this is being handled. Only those who actually possess a kekkei genkai should have the label and it shown in the infobox, for example Naruto shouldn't have Magnet, Boil or Lava in his infobox, it's misleading and incorrect.--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 17:39, November 24, 2016 (UTC)
- @Seel, yes. @Omni, because the kekkei genkai belongs to Kokuo and Naruto used it through Kokuo. It's a kekkei genkai because it's a combined nature, which Naruto used with help of Kokuo, but the kekkei genkai belongs to it not him.--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 22:39, November 24, 2016 (UTC)
- Boruto novel - "Countless ninjutsu were thrown out of Katasuke’s gauntlet. Fire release, water release, wood release, lightning release, and the Rasengan. Every now and then hiden jutsu that had been collected from Konoha’s clans were fired towards Momoshiki as well". --Sarutobii2 (talk) 10:53, November 25, 2016 (UTC)
- What about Lava Release and Ice Release? Were those attributed to Kote or him absorbing them from someone with Rinnegan?--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 13:45, November 25, 2016 (UTC)
- But this didn't happen in the movie, so Momoshiki having Wood-Release is novel-only.--UltimaDude (talk) 03:12, November 26, 2016 (UTC)
- Boruto novel - "Countless ninjutsu were thrown out of Katasuke’s gauntlet. Fire release, water release, wood release, lightning release, and the Rasengan. Every now and then hiden jutsu that had been collected from Konoha’s clans were fired towards Momoshiki as well". --Sarutobii2 (talk) 10:53, November 25, 2016 (UTC)
