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  • Chapter is out. Feel free to discuss it here!

    I know there is going to be an inevitable ****fest from some around here that Naruto and Sasuke are just too strong yada, yada, yada, yada. I immensely enjoyed this chapter. Immensely isn't even a strong enough word, in fact. Sasuke's flying "perfect" Susanoo and Naruto's Tailed Beast Rasenshuriken were pretty much the ultimate middle finger to Madara's Chibaku Tensei parade.

    Sakura's uselessness was made more apparent. I'm slightly saddened that Obito is apparently dead now (yes, I actually like him as a character), but overall, this chapter was enjoyable.

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    • Good read. But I never thought Black Zetsu could possess dead bodies, which lets me believe that Obito has still a very small spark of life in his body, enough to get in the Infinite Tsukuyomi. I wonder, how will Naruto and Sasuke stop the genjutsu? It's supposed to be unstoppable. I just hope Kishimoto doesn't get out of this with an asspull like Naruto's chakra cloaks being enough to free everyone from the genjutsu. I guess the next two-three chapters will be about the Dream World.

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    • That's actually possible.

      The whole Naruto cloaks connect everyone is meant to mirror how the Sage's Ninshu works. By connecting everyone with chakra, they can understand one another. And that strategy worked wonders for the Alliance. Its also how Naruto changed Obito's heart (connected their chakras, saw Obito's past, lead them to an understanding). I bet that'll be connected to how they break the genjutsu.

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    • Naruto is slowly becoming the Kage of asspulls. I can see the next two chapters becoming a battle within oneself of accepting the cruel fate of reality or living blindly in a dream, depends on what Kishi has up his sleeve. Lord knows I can't wait till next week.

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    • Ten Tailed Fox wrote: That's actually possible.

      The whole Naruto cloaks connect everyone is meant to mirror how the Sage's Ninshu works. By connecting everyone with chakra, they can understand one another. And that strategy worked wonders for the Alliance. Its also how Naruto changed Obito's heart (connected their chakras, saw Obito's past, lead them to an understanding). I bet that'll be connected to how they break the genjutsu.

      That much, I agree with. It's just, please dont' make it look like "this genjutsu is unbreakable, huh, better give more chakra to my comrades so that we'll get all out of this nightmare in no time!" :/

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    • SixpathsofSamoa wrote: I can see the next two chapters becoming a battle within oneself of accepting the cruel fate of reality or living blindly in a dream, depends on what Kishi has up his sleeve.

      That is called a plot.

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    • Madara stabs Sakura Hahahahahahahahaha! Chibaku Tensei FTW!

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    • Getting really tired of all this talk of "ass pulls" and Deus-Ex Machina. Like, im not even completely sure that half the people who use these words, use them correctly. These terms imply that the character is doing something that changes the plot with no real explanation. One can accredit Naruto and Sasuke's recent revelations and use of abilities to their aptitude for them.

      Besides the annoying trolls who do nothing but complain about the chapter that they, for some reason, continue to watch like the rest of us, I'd say that this chapter was solid and nothing truly out of the ordinary for what's been happening as of late. Kinda want the next chapter to show the reactions of some of the other main cast of characters.

      Overall, a pretty good chapter.

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    • has everybody saw Sasuke's Susanoo has dragon-like wings?

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    • So Obito's dead now? If so, someone's going to have to go through articles and update them -_-

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    • Sasuke's Susanoo having wings is the highlight of the chapter. I'm kinda getting tired of the eye fetish tho.

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    • i think there is an other possibility . you remember when the sage talked to naruto he said that they should stop madara or he'll became as strong as kaguya and now he have the power of kaguya and i was thinking that there is two ways to stop madara : 1-kabuto will revive kaguya to stop madara and there will be a fight between them. 2-remember that who has the complete power of the sage can stop him but sasuke and naruto get the half only and what if naruto summoned the tailed beasts and sasuke summoned the demonic statue and after that they separate the power of a part of the juubi between them then they will get two of them the complete power and if you search for asura you'll see that he have something called the battle avatar and asura is the raincarnated into naruto then sasuke use his susano and naruto the avatar to stop the infinite tsukuyomi

      it's only an idea

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    • another problem is where did Madara misplaced Obito's (or should I say the Sharingan Kakashi once used) left Sharingan?

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    • The tailed beasts and the Demonic statue are inside Madara. Naruto only has a part of their chakra.

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    • @Hagoromo, OH NO!!! Don't speak the truth or the sysops will notice ;)

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    • Pat141elite wrote: another problem is where did Madara misplaced Obito's (or should I say the Sharingan Kakashi once used) left Sharingan?

      madara put the two sharingans in obito's body if you see black zetsu clearly you can see the kamui eye and the other is in the left eye of obito

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    • Isn't it a bit unfair to call Sakura useless? Most of her good stuff is off screen and she did keep Naruto alive, but how is she supposed to compare with 2 people that keep getting power-boost after power-boost.

      If we are honest, Kishi probably just labeled her the heroine because he was told to..... she's really just more of an important secondary character.....

      I find the roles of the females in this series sad; they are either house-wives, defeated, or just out of the picture...... she kept a lot of people alive and was helpful in beating Obito.... but honestly, females aren't given much in this series.....

      Look at this chapter people, while she did a good job in surviving Madara's attack, she was reduced to a motherly role in which she was saddened by the prodigal child's lack of caring (note this is an analogy, not to be taken literal)...

      Kishi honestly could have done more for Sakura; when ever she gets strong, she's put into situations that are beyond that.... as a genin, all her situations were beyond what a genin could face, in P.2 she's faced a few times with a Kage level; but now that she's kage level, she's faced against God-level..... this chapter just kinda showed the unfairness towards the female characters too me..... she actually has good qualities for a heroine, but Kishi didn't really use most of them, giving all the focus on Sasuke, Naruto, Madara, Obito and people they were fighting......

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    • By making Sakura easily stabbed and ended like that totally showed that Sakura is useless enough? Kishi, please do not make this unfair. 2 of her comrades are from well-known clan with Uchiha had a dojutsu kekkai genkai while Uzumaki had the specialities of reserves chakra and life force?

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    • "Uzumaki had the specialities of reserves chakra" never stated.

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    • Sakura could have been made more powerful. She had better chakra control and could have learnt a lot of powerful jutsu.

      The only training she ever did was between parts 1 and 2.

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    • Deathmailrock wrote: Isn't it a bit unfair to call Sakura useless? Most of her good stuff is off screen and she did keep Naruto alive, but how is she supposed to compare with 2 people that keep getting power-boost after power-boost.

      If we are honest, Kishi probably just labeled her the heroine because he was told to..... she's really just more of an important secondary character.....

      I find the roles of the females in this series sad; they are either house-wives, defeated, or just out of the picture...... she kept a lot of people alive and was helpful in beating Obito.... but honestly, females aren't given much in this series.....

      Look at this chapter people, while she did a good job in surviving Madara's attack, she was reduced to a motherly role in which she was saddened by the prodigal child's lack of caring (note this is an analogy, not to be taken literal)...

      Kishi honestly could have done more for Sakura; when ever she gets strong, she's put into situations that are beyond that.... as a genin, all her situations were beyond what a genin could face, in P.2 she's faced a few times with a Kage level; but now that she's kage level, she's faced against God-level..... this chapter just kinda showed the unfairness towards the female characters too me..... she actually has good qualities for a heroine, but Kishi didn't really use most of them, giving all the focus on Sasuke, Naruto, Madara, Obito and people they were fighting......

      I totally agree. I mean I'm tired of hearing people talking trash about Sakura. It really isn't fair for her, like whenever she gets to show off her power, someone who is at God-Level just shows up and beats Sakura and then Naruto saves her, it almost makes it a stereotypical series, (the girl is useless, the hero is amazing and he saves her) I mean as a the main female character of the series, Kishimoto does NOTHING to put her on the screen. Okay, back to the chapter, I am TOTALLY impressed by Naruto and Sasuke (again) but I'm happy for Sakura too, haters say she's useless again, but, she awakened her Strength of a Hundred Technique and healed a wound from the Truth-Seeking Ball, though she did eventually get stabbed, but I'm sure she'll be able to heal it. Kishi don't do cliffhangers, I know it makes it interesting but I literally count every minute until the next chap. CAN"T WAIT!!!!

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    • Sorry wrong info about the Uzumaki clan. Yeah she may had learnt a lot of powerful jutsu, but what should she do to face such a badass Madara right now..? I just hope she could be useful somehow. Kishi, you should make Sakura look better though.

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    • The real question is when does Sasuke pop that jyuubi eye out of madara's giant forehead. Then the follow up is what does a perfect,double jyuubi eye, flying susanoo look like?

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    • Considering that Sasuke also has a Rinnegan with tomoe, I think that will be the key to overcoming the genjutsu. Probably a combination of that and the aforementioned Chakra sharing on Naruto's part.

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    • For all this time, the one who probably will managed to do something is Sasuke. Why should Naruto be named as the story while Sasuke do all the credit one.

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    • I agree with soul reaper. But I also that sasuke is going to need both eyes. Or at least awaken the regular rinnegan in his left eye

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    • Do you know what would be a really awesome ending; Sasuke uses Samsara of the Heavenly Life Tehnique and brings Itachi back, and just as Madara is about to use Infinite Tsukuyomi, Itachi summons Susano'o, using Yata Mirror to reflect Infinite Tsukuyomi onto Madara, trapping him in his own genjutsu forever.(if you don't like the idea, please don't charge at me like rabid wasps).

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    • The jyuubi is probably powerful enough on its own. He wouldn't need itachi. But that's a sweet idea!

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    • Jyuubi eye*

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    • i think naruto is more powerful than sasuke because naruto can use the truth seeking ball and have a part of all tailed beasts that mean that he have a part of the juubi but the power of sasuke is only on his eyes

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    • As of now I agree. But is sasuke gets both jyuubi eyes. They are even. I can't even imagine a perfect,flying, senjutsu susano

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    • yeah right!!! if sasuke get the senjutsu of naruto he will become the sage of the six paths

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    • That really pissed me off

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    • He already has senju from jugos chakra

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    • ugh...

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    • What...

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    • umm... what, a flying susanoo. what the heck is this about?

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    • Well Munchvtev, Susanoo is based on Tengu. Tengu are depicted with wings a lot. It is just another use of mythology.

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    • That's pretty cool. I didn't know Kishi was still referencing mythology.

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    • Koto Senju wrote: Getting really tired of all this talk of "ass pulls" and Deus-Ex Machina. Like, im not even completely sure that half the people who use these words, use them correctly. These terms imply that the character is doing something that changes the plot with no real explanation. One can accredit Naruto and Sasuke's recent revelations and use of abilities to their aptitude for them.

      Besides the annoying trolls who do nothing but complain about the chapter that they, for some reason, continue to watch like the rest of us, I'd say that this chapter was solid and nothing truly out of the ordinary for what's been happening as of late. Kinda want the next chapter to show the reactions of some of the other main cast of characters.

      Overall, a pretty good chapter.

      Yes! You said it all! The thing about complainers is that if the characters defeated their opponents after getting new powers/abilities, they'd complain that it's unrealistic, but if the characters defeated their opponents without getting new powers, they'd complain that it's unrealistic. By the way, don't you love when people complain about things being unrealistic in fantasy manga/anime?

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    • ahhh I didnt know what they were based off of.

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    • To be honest.. I think the problem is that Sakura is supposed to be a main character but she feels like a supporting character, since she's never in the same level as Naruto and Sasuke... I wish she would get some special amazing powers too but I doubt that will ever happen...

      Plus, it feels like Sakura is always trying to catch up to Naruto and Sasuke and is getting down on herself everytime when she has a chance to shine (exept the fight with Sasori..), she's like always remiding herself that they are better than her and that she has to catch up like she's not good enough, and I think that is why some people think of her as useless... It's like she doesn't like herself so other people don't like her...

      Now that I think about it it's like when she was little, she didn't have any self-confidence, and though it looks like she has changed it seems to me that she still has a lot to work about...

      I think that if kishi wants her to be a good character, he must point out her good qualities more, through Sakura herself or (even better) through other characters.

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    • Chapter was good, but can someone tell me 5 things:-

      How did Madara use Kamui? obito the original Kamui user himself stated that being a juubi jinchuriki makes him unable to use kamui

      Why is Kaguya's Dojutsu still being listed as a rinnegan?

      Shouldn't infinite tsukoyomi be listed under rinnegan technique?

      Shouldn't the infinite tsukoyomi part in Madara's page be listed under his rinnegan?

      Why is Tailed Beast Ball Rasenshuriken being listed as Wind Release?, i dont recall naruto saying Fuuton/ Wind Style

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    • The Winter King wrote: Why is Tailed Beast Ball Rasenshuriken being listed as Wind Release?, i dont recall naruto saying Fuuton/ Wind Style

      Because some people still get that "Rasenshuriken" means "wind chakra", regardless of prefix presence.

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    • the rasenshuriken doesn't not imll wind style is concept of combining the rasengan with shape manipulation with the shape being that of a shrunken.

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    • NarutoProfit wrote: the rasenshuriken doesn't not imll wind style is concept of combining the rasengan with shape manipulation with the shape being that of a shrunken.

      Exactly, Sage art: Lava style Rasenshuriken is an example of this

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    • The Winter King wrote:

      NarutoProfit wrote: the rasenshuriken doesn't not imll wind style is concept of combining the rasengan with shape manipulation with the shape being that of a shrunken.

      Exactly, Sage art: Lava style Rasenshuriken is an example of this

      Except not. Everyone that thinks that doesn't have wind chakra, please go try disputing any point brought up by me or Ten-Tailed Fox at that jutsu's talk page with actual facts instead of conjecture.

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    • I see Kushina and Jiraiya returning in the Dream World. And maybe Sakumo.. I just hope to see more older characters xDD Oh, and Fugaku, just so that we could see how he would react about Sasuke.

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    • i think there is a way to stop infinite tsukuyomi it's the :"KOTOAMATSUKUYOMI" the special mangekyo sharingan of shisui i only think that if this eye is used on madara it can let the infinite tsukuyomi turn into him : )

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    • Please don't make it seem as if Sakura is useless in general cuz you're sadly mistaken. She just isn't useful here. Just like plenty of other people.

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    • Great chapter overall. Looks like we finally get to see what Infinite Tsukuyomi actually is next chapter, barring that it doesn't get stopped at the last minute.

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    • It was a great chapter. I can't believe Madara got the Infinite Tsukuyomi, i cant wait to see the power behind it. Although, if you really think about it, maybe if sakura would have just hurried up to kill Obito, this probably would not have happened. But Kishimoto probably planned that not to happen so we get to see the power of the Infinite Tsukuyomi.

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    • Ten Tailed Fox wrote: Chapter is out. Feel free to discuss it here!

      I know there is going to be an inevitable ****fest from some around here that Naruto and Sasuke are just too strong yada, yada, yada, yada. I immensely enjoyed this chapter. Immensely isn't even a strong enough word, in fact. Sasuke's flying "perfect" Susanoo and Naruto's Tailed Beast Rasenshuriken were pretty much the ultimate middle finger to Madara's Chibaku Tensei parade.

      Sakura's uselessness was made more apparent. I'm slightly saddened that Obito is apparently dead now (yes, I actually like him as a character), but overall, this chapter was enjoyable.

      You damn right about Sakura's uselessness. After last week's chapter, I was thinking "What the hell is Sakura gon do?" All she does is cry and depend on Naruto and give him bullsh*t when Naruto puts in that work. I don't get that sh*t. And she's still crying about Sasuke? Someone needs to tell that girl there are 2 ways to get Sasuke's attention: Either A) You're a very strong shinobi or B) You're useful to him in some way. Well, Sakura now realizes that she is no where near Naruto or Sasuke's level (she never was in the first place), and like most people agree, in the majority of situations: she's useless as hell. Btw, Sasuke's Susanoo was awesome. The closeup of its "face" in the chapter resembled Indra's Susanoo. And them Dragon wings tho? Raw as hell. I'm also thinking Sasuke activated his EMS in his right eye when he used Susanoo. Or nah. And for Naruto... he can do a Tailed Beast Ball Rasenshuriken and still can't perform a Tailed Beast Rasengan? Last thing, Madara is a true villain. F*** Obito, F*** Orochimaru, F*** Kabuto, F*** Indra, F*** Danzo, hell, F*** Kaguya! They are no where as bogus and conniving as Madara Uchiha. Overall, great chapter.

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    • Really cool chapter. Sasuke's Susanoo flying ability was a surprise for me. Madara's also has wings as well but never used them. It remind's me Cursed Seal LV2.

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    • Shinto Worship wrote: Really cool chapter. Sasuke's Susanoo flying ability was a surprise for me. Madara's also has wings as well but never used them. It remind's me Cursed Seal LV2.

      It's based on his curse seal lvl 2

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    • VenFuu wrote:

      Shinto Worship wrote: Really cool chapter. Sasuke's Susanoo flying ability was a surprise for me. Madara's also has wings as well but never used them. It remind's me Cursed Seal LV2.

      It's based on his curse seal lvl 2

      I think it depends on the user. Sasuke is compatible with the Cursed Seal. The seal itself brings the "inner strength" of the user and is like manifesting Susanoo but in a smaller degree.

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    • You're being a jerk. Comparing her to some of the strongest characters is wrong. Secondly, like I said before many characters aren't in this fight that does not mean they are useless. Yes she cries but she isn't useless. Her medical skills came in handy during missions in Shippuden and the war. Not mention other moments she's had. I'm not saying she's a character you should be all like damn but to call her useless is just wrong.

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    • ^^^...?

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    • Pretty sure a lot of people here agree with what this "jerk" thinks about Sakura. And you're right. She isn't a character I should be all like damn. But calling her useless isn't wrong. It's an opinion. You're sitting here defending Sakura, and I clearly disagree with you, but you don't see me blasting others for their opinion.

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    • MilanVukas wrote: Do you know what would be a really awesome ending; Sasuke uses Samsara of the Heavenly Life Tehnique and brings Itachi back, and just as Madara is about to use Infinite Tsukuyomi, Itachi summons Susano'o, using Yata Mirror to reflect Infinite Tsukuyomi onto Madara, trapping him in his own genjutsu forever.(if you don't like the idea, please don't charge at me like rabid wasps).

      would not work. Yata mirror can only block elemental techniques

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    • So Rachin123 I'm a "jerk." You don't even know me and you're calling me a "jerk." I respect your stance, but that isn't needed here, especially since I'm not the only one that has said the same thing about your precious little Sakura. Way to single somebody out. Like I said that isn't needed or wanted here.

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    • The Winter King wrote: Chapter was good, but can someone tell me 5 things:-

      How did Madara use Kamui? obito the original Kamui user himself stated that being a juubi jinchuriki makes him unable to use kamui

      Why is Kaguya's Dojutsu still being listed as a rinnegan?

      Shouldn't infinite tsukoyomi be listed under rinnegan technique?

      Shouldn't the infinite tsukoyomi part in Madara's page be listed under his rinnegan?

      Why is Tailed Beast Ball Rasenshuriken being listed as Wind Release?, i dont recall naruto saying Fuuton/ Wind Style

      Obit could not use it because the Rinnegan was not his and as such it was harder to control the 10 tails

      Kaguya's page never said she has a Rinnegan it always says she has a byakugan and Sharingan

      Infinite Tsukuyomi is a Sharingan based Dojutsu. Kaguya was the one who created it

      Rasenshuriken is a Wind Release technique so Tailed Beast Ball Rasenshuriken by Default would be a wind release technique

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    • NarutoProfit wrote: the rasenshuriken doesn't not imll wind style is concept of combining the rasengan with shape manipulation with the shape being that of a shrunken.

      Rasenshuriken is a Rasengan with Wind Release that uses shape transformation to have the Rasengan have blades so anything with Rasenshuriken in its name is by default a wind release technique

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    • WindStar7125 wrote: he can do a Tailed Beast Ball Rasenshuriken and still can't perform a Tailed Beast Rasengan? Last thing, Madara is a true villain. F*** Obito, F*** Orochimaru, F*** Kabuto, F*** Indra, F*** Danzo, hell, F*** Kaguya! They are no where as bogus and conniving as Madara Uchiha. Overall, great chapter.

      If he can preform a tailed beast ball rasenshuriken at this point in time, then he can now do a tailed beast rasengan. Have you forgotten that rasenshuriken is a rasengan + wind nature?

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    • Madnesscrazy wrote:

      WindStar7125 wrote: he can do a Tailed Beast Ball Rasenshuriken and still can't perform a Tailed Beast Rasengan? Last thing, Madara is a true villain. F*** Obito, F*** Orochimaru, F*** Kabuto, F*** Indra, F*** Danzo, hell, F*** Kaguya! They are no where as bogus and conniving as Madara Uchiha. Overall, great chapter.

      If he can preform a tailed beast ball rasenshuriken at this point in time, then he can now do a tailed beast rasengan. Have you forgotten that rasenshuriken is a rasengan + wind nature?

      Well true, but still... I think that Naruto should combine all of the 9 tailed beasts' bijuudama and create a Super Tailed Beast Rasengan or something... Naruto's new powers are just as cool as Sasuke's, no disrespect to him.

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    • Tailed Beast Rasengan has been rather replaced by Super Mini Tailed Beast Ball.

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    • Omnibender wrote: Tailed Beast Rasengan has been rather replaced by Super Mini Tailed Beast Ball.

      True... but I still believe Naruto will somehow combine all 9 tailed beasts powers... and I think he'll also have a chakra avatar like Asura... I mean Sasuke's Susanoo closeup looks like Indra's... why not Naruto? I mean he's not gonna use the Kurama bijuu mode again will he? He has all nine tailed beasts chakras.... but still,the way he has been comin up with these awesome individual tailed beasts powers and infusing them with his Rasengan and Rasenshuriken... I think a 9-Tailed Beast Rasengan is evident...

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    • Biggest plot twist. Sakura suddenly appears above Madara, punches and destorys his third eye on impact xD the plot twist would be so great that the universe explodes ((Just something silly))

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    • This talk about Sakura reminds me of an episode of SpongeBob SquarePants. A member of a band, Ned and the Needlefish, lost his powdered wig. SpongeBob found it and enjoyed wearing it, but people made fun of him. SpongeBob eventually threw it away, causing its original owner to find it. The next day the very people who had been making fun of SpongeBob were wearing powdered wigs because the band had made them popular. SpongeBob asked one of his critics, "So I was cool before everyone else?" and the critic replied, "Yes, you were...but now you're not." That's like the situation with Part II Sakura. "You mean I was strong and powerful before everyone else?" "Yes, you were...but now you're not."

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    • ^^ That would be awesome. XD when we all count her out Naruto throws her up behind Madara and while Madara is too focused on Sasuke's new Susanoo he gets blindsided and she smashes the eye. That would tie in the whole teamwork thing and I feel be a good ending to the battle after a few chapters of her not doing much.

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    • Anyone else in love with the cleverness of the titles? Just the fact it was a double endentre referencing Sasuke's new position in the war and his current dream then flowing into another sense, alluding the Infinite Tsukuyomi.

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    • In all honestly Sakura needs a new technique, perhaps a stronger taijustu beyond her chakra enhance strength or a form on senjutsu, as we have learned that only senjutsu and taijutsu is effective against Madara.

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    • As for Sakura being useless... Its true in the battle situations presented she isn't of much help. She impressed me in the beginning of part 2 with her prowess in the second bell test against Kakashi and also in her fight with Sasori but after she's just been sidelined due to the overwhelming adversaries and her team 7 teammates who are just impossible to keep up with(not including sai). But I can't blame her. I mean Naruto's the child of yellow flash and an Uzumaki, Sasuke is an Uchiha and brother of (in my opinion) the best anbu who ever lived, her sensei is the child prodigy of Konoha's White Fang, and her shishou is to my knowledge the only known living Senju. Meanwhile, whose ever heard of the Haruno clan. lol I respect Sakura for making a name for herself out of nothing and am still holding hope that she does play a role in the outcome of the battle with Madara.

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    • The only real amount of dislike that I genuinely have for that chapter is that third eye Madara grows from his head. My god is that disturbing. And on top of that the new Sasuke Susano'o and tailed beast bomb rasenshuriken were simply awesome... aside from seeing Sakura finally get screwed, showing how damn useless she is. Aside from that... I... don't really think Obito is dead... I think that maybe hes just plain out cold and Black Zetsu is just using him as his own play thing. Still, this was a really fun chapter to read.

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    • So here's an interesting idea. Madara's Infinite Tsukuyomi is successfully executed and the entire world falls under his genjutsu. Unable to escape, our beloved characters are trapped in an illusory world controlled by Madara. With the battle suddenly over and the alliance left powerless, our shinobi remain defeated and confused. What happens next is for one's imagination.

      This would be a neat way to extend the series. Naruto and his friends must now find a way to progress through the new world and find a way to defeat Madara. Just a thought.

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    • NarutoProfit wrote: In all honestly Sakura needs a new technique, perhaps a stronger taijustu beyond her chakra enhance strength or a form on senjutsu, as we have learned that only senjutsu and taijutsu is effective against Madara.

      That's what makes sakura seem useless, because she doesn't have any new or unique Jutsus. Just what Tsunade taught her and nothing she has improved or invented on her own.

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    • WindStar7125 I apologize if I seemed rude and your right it is an opinion but what I don't get people bash on her. Her main priority as a medical-nin is to heal and aid her comrades which she has done. I understand if someone said she wasn't that good in combat cuz as much as we've seen but I didn't mean any respect.

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    • "Seems"? No. She's useless. Every. Single. Time. She tries to get something done, she fails. Even with Sasori, she required Chiyo's help to evade his puppeteer skills. She's about as useless as a shinobi gets. Ten-Ten has done more than she has lately (using and recovering the Sage's tools), as has Ino (communicating plans to the entire Alliance via mental link), Rock Lee (cut Madara in two a few months back with a single kick while charging in alongside Naruto), or any of the Konoha 11 for that matter (they fought next to Naruto and Sasuke, helping them drag the Bijuu out while Sakura sat and watched).

      She is completely nonredeemable in that regard.

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    • Ten Tailed Fox- Um Sakura took down a few ten tail clones, helped uncover zetsu's disguise, summoned katsuyu with Tsunade to heal the allied shinobi forces and go for cover, heal and keep Naruto alive. I'm sorry you can have your opinion on Sakura but don't make it seem like she did nothing to benefit in the series.

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    • She hasn't.

      Naruto can naturally heal. She sped up the process. Whooooweee. Considering the Alliance, as a whole, has pretty much become spectators, while Naruto and Sasuke plow Madara/Obito's ***es, then no, her healing them did nothing to help anyone. Especially since most of whom she healed were killed by the Shinju anyways.

      At this point, factually, she's useless. She sits around and cries about Sasuke 90% of her screen time. The rest of it, she's attempting to do something and failing awfully.

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    • Ten Tails Fox- I'm done with you. I tried being practical but you just won't look at it in another perspective. And first off Naruto wasn't healing at the time because the nine tails fox was out of him and he was dying for your information. Geez if you're going talking about something make sure you have everything in order.

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    • I have everything in order.

      As far as Sakura goes, I need only viewpoint. That is that she needs to be lambasted by Madara's Truth-Seeking Orb and die, sparing me any future chapters with her useless drivel. Don't feel bad, I felt the same way about Danzo (though not because he was useless; rather because he was a prick).

      And oh, that's what you were talking about? Yeah, about that, Sakura stopped healing him a chapter or two into that because she was "scared so bad she couldn't breathe" by Madara. You can thank Gaara (who transported them) and Obito (who actually saved him). For Naruto's life. Not Sakura.

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    • Ten Tailed Fox- Yes but you also made points of other character helping during the war who are now irrelevant up to this point so...I mean u are making no sense. Keep your story in line. Geez...

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    • They're not irrelevant. They did something lasting. Tearing the Bijuu out of Obito brought the fight to its current point. Which, I must remind you again, at the time, Sakura was spectating. Sakura still hasn't made a lasting impact on anything she's ever done.

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    • Sakura used her medical skills to help during the war as a medical-nin. That was lasting so please stop this. You are not getting anywhere. Upnto this point I can admit she isn't useful because of who she's up against most wouldn't be come on, your not making a valid point, all you keep doing is trying to bash on her as if she did nothing at all during Part II series up to this point. You're getting onmy nerves now.

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    • Ten Tailed Fox wrote: "Seems"? No. She's useless. Every. Single. Time. She tries to get something done, she fails. Even with Sasori, she required Chiyo's help to evade his puppeteer skills. She's about as useless as a shinobi gets. Ten-Ten has done more than she has lately (using and recovering the Sage's tools), as has Ino (communicating plans to the entire Alliance via mental link), Rock Lee (cut Madara in two a few months back with a single kick while charging in alongside Naruto), or any of the Konoha 11 for that matter (they fought next to Naruto and Sasuke, helping them drag the Bijuu out while Sakura sat and watched).

      She is completely nonredeemable in that regard.

      Don't forget Hinata...

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    • Her part in this war was pretty much insignificant ( Like the other females ) I agree. But during the Invasion of Pain Arc she did try to help Naruto. If it were not for Hinata, Naruto wouldn't have transformed and would have been captured by Pain. And while Naruto was pinned down by Pain, Sakura did nothing but watch. It was her duty too to help Naruto. So I think at the very least, Hinata > Sakura.

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    • I wonder what TenTen went off to check. I know it was a while ago but I figured it might be relevant later on.

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    • Sakura may not be very useful but that's only because she's up against someone like Madara. She's stronger than most shinobi and there is no way she is useless.

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    • if i remember correctly hinata was on the the ground thinking of naruto and now we see sakura thinking about sasuke maybe the way out of the mugen tsukiyome will be sakura and hinata each getting half of hagoromo's brother power :) since jinchuuriki arn't effected by genjutsu and sasuke has the juubi eye sorry if i don't make sense

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    • I just want the Tsukiyomi to work because while I like the fighting, I'm sure the characters don't. Just let them be free and happy.

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    • Sakura didn't strike me as useless. Recall, she went to Madara as a diversion, not to land any major damage. On top of that, she probably didn't bother dodging his stab; remember that Tsunade, as well, lets herself get hurt to get at Madara--I think they are using their reserve seal to it's maximum potential, much like Tobirama used Edo Tensei's invincibility to his advantage. The only thing that failed in her idea was the punch--but that was merely due to the fact that she doesn't have the ability to sense Madara's Shadows... if she had hit Madara himself, he might have been seriously damaged.

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    • Rachin123 wrote: Ten Tails Fox- I'm done with you. I tried being practical but you just won't look at it in another perspective. And first off Naruto wasn't healing at the time because the nine tails fox was out of him and he was dying for your information. Geez if you're going talking about something make sure you have everything in order.

      actually all uzumaki members have remarkable healing abilities

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    • Stop being mad at Sakura, she is just a mere manga character series..? duh, let Kishi make this things out. Sakura probably does not have equal combat powers. but you could not agree that she actually had contribute something in this series. she had done pretty good. but she need to have her own style in combat instead of just copying what Tsunade have.

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    • The only thing that bothered me this was Sakura. It bothered me that after failing as a distraction and being taken back she was only concerned with Sasuke not noticing her. Like, wtf!? Are you serious right now!? She needs to stop acting like a fucking school girl and get her head in the game.

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    • Dont you see that after naruto grabbed her, she eventually kicked the wall and create a diversion in order for sasuke to attack the real one.

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    • IZafri wrote: Dont you see that after naruto grabbed her, she eventually kicked the wall and create a diversion in order for sasuke to attack the real one.

      Which still failed. So what, exactly, is your point?? Is her failing to create a diversion all you took away from what I said??

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    • i have a question why no one is giving his opinion on my ideas i posted a lot of ideas but i didn't get any answer or opinion on it -_- . that's why please give your opinion on what i posted. and i think there's people who posted a really amazing ideas too.

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    • It's not even a lack of power that's the problem in Sakura's case, no, she is quite strong. Where the problem lies is her personality. She is retarded, it's as simple as that. "Naisu try" Kishi for having tried to redeem her qualities a chapter-two back only to make her suck again in subsequent chapters, lol.

      Also she got it all wrong, Sasuke's lack of interest in her well-being wasn't because he doesn't care about her (which is true to an extent, but wasn't the reason) but because:

      • He has more confidence in her strength than she does herself. No reason asking if she is okay while he knows that she is.
      • He is busy analyzing the battle, preparing a strategy and actually doing something, unlike her.
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    • At least she had tried. and about Sakura's begging for Sasuke's attention, I admit that. So retarded. Sakura knew she would never be a vital role in this combat, thats why she just wanted to create diversion for those two Naruto and Sasuke strike back. And unlike Sasuke and Naruto, Sakura does not even know about the limbo thing.

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    • Actionmanrandell wrote:

      The Winter King wrote: Chapter was good, but can someone tell me 5 things:-

      How did Madara use Kamui? obito the original Kamui user himself stated that being a juubi jinchuriki makes him unable to use kamui

      Why is Kaguya's Dojutsu still being listed as a rinnegan?

      Shouldn't infinite tsukoyomi be listed under rinnegan technique?

      Shouldn't the infinite tsukoyomi part in Madara's page be listed under his rinnegan?

      Why is Tailed Beast Ball Rasenshuriken being listed as Wind Release?, i dont recall naruto saying Fuuton/ Wind Style

      Obit could not use it because the Rinnegan was not his and as such it was harder to control the 10 tails

      Kaguya's page never said she has a Rinnegan it always says she has a byakugan and Sharingan

      Infinite Tsukuyomi is a Sharingan based Dojutsu. Kaguya was the one who created it

      Rasenshuriken is a Wind Release technique so Tailed Beast Ball Rasenshuriken by Default would be a wind release technique

      Well, read carefully, i said why was madara able to use Kamui using Obito's sharingan while obito himself wasnt.. Obito said that being the Juubi'd jinchuriki doesn't allow him to use kamui

      Secondly, sorry i meant why is her dojutsu not being listed as rinnegan, but you are right, the sage did clear up that one

      Rasenshuriken isn't a wind technique, rasenkshuriken itself is only change in chakra form that can be used with any nature type like Lava style

      Unless and until it has been stated to be Wind style i don't think the wiki should simply assume that its wind style cause rasenshurkien isn't rasengan+ wind style

      Rasengan+windstyle gives you wind style rasengan, but later naruto uses shape transformation to shape his attack like a shuriken thus the name Rasenshuriken

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    • Ten Tailed Fox wrote: She hasn't.

      Naruto can naturally heal. She sped up the process. Whooooweee. Considering the Alliance, as a whole, has pretty much become spectators, while Naruto and Sasuke plow Madara/Obito's ***es, then no, her healing them did nothing to help anyone. Especially since most of whom she healed were killed by the Shinju anyways.

      At this point, factually, she's useless. She sits around and cries about Sasuke 90% of her screen time. The rest of it, she's attempting to do something and failing awfully.

      He has a point, Sakura hasn't been of any use in the entire war

      The only time she did something worthwhile was when she spotted the white zetsu imposter in the ranks back in camp

      Her character in the over-all series hasn't been developed very well, there are some moments when kishi makes us like Sakura but almost 90% of her screen time shows her as a useless piece of team 7

      Sai joined after her but i still think his character development was done a lot better

      Sakura's "brave" attempt to create a distraction was actually stupid, cause it didn't show teamwork, she just charged at madara without discussing it with the other two, thats not teamwork, she gave into her emotions and tried to prove to the other two that she isn't useless which was a failed attempt

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    • To join the Sakura-bashing: This chapter just shows every aspect of Sakura's character. And not even in a nutshell. There isn't more to say about that.

      To return to the actual discussion of the chapter: I think it's cool to see that Madara has now four of his Limbo shadows, but the concept of the whole previous chapter falls flat, as there isn't that much teamwork between them. Sakura and Kakashi can't do anything, Naruto and Sasuke start to become more and more overpowered with the powers that do not belong to them in the first place and Obito is again done for. I don't know, the manga gets more and more weird...the last bit of it that I enjoyed was Guy's awesome usage of the Eight Gates, it was the last time we saw a character that actually showed strength that belonged to himself, without any divine intervention...

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    • Koto Senju wrote: Getting really tired of all this talk of "ass pulls" and Deus-Ex Machina. Like, im not even completely sure that half the people who use these words, use them correctly. These terms imply that the character is doing something that changes the plot with no real explanation. One can accredit Naruto and Sasuke's recent revelations and use of abilities to their aptitude for them.

      Besides the annoying trolls who do nothing but complain about the chapter that they, for some reason, continue to watch like the rest of us, I'd say that this chapter was solid and nothing truly out of the ordinary for what's been happening as of late. Kinda want the next chapter to show the reactions of some of the other main cast of characters.

      Overall, a pretty good chapter.

      Well, sure you're right, i mean its not a deus ex-machina, i am completely sure that two brats despite their impressive progress rate can handle the power of the Sage of six paths without any prior training

      Heck, they have more talent than Madara, who lest we forget was born in a war-ravaged era and fought on equal footing with the first Hokage, i mean even that guy had to actually train before being able to wield the Rinnegan's power

      Those "trolls" still continue to watch the series is because they love the series, if a person who loves the series suddenly goes out of his way to find a flaw in the series doesn't make him a troll, it actually shows that person is watching the series more closely than the others and despite his love for the series can actually spot an ass-pull

      Like when i saw izanami, i found it pretty cool, although many find it as an "ass-pull" and their views are justified, but i don't go around calling them a bunch of trolls

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    • Norleon wrote: To join the Sakura-bashing: This chapter just shows every aspect of Sakura's character. And not even in a nutshell. There isn't more to say about that.

      To return to the actual discussion of the chapter: I think it's cool to see that Madara has now four of his Limbo shadows, but the concept of the whole previous chapter falls flat, as there isn't that much teamwork between them. Sakura and Kakashi can't do anything, Naruto and Sasuke start to become more and more overpowered with the powers that do not belong to them in the first place and Obito is again done for. I don't know, the manga gets more and more weird...the last bit of it that I enjoyed was Guy's awesome usage of the Eight Gates, it was the last time we saw a character that actually showed strength that belonged to himself, without any divine intervention...

      Couldn't have said it any better myself, the fact that Kakashi doesn't have a sharingan is pretty dis-appointing

      Although i dis-agree with you on the manga getting weirder part cause this one still was great

      But true, the best part of this arc is Eight gates Guy, especially Night Guy/Moth

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    • The Winter King wrote:

      Actionmanrandell wrote:

      The Winter King wrote: Chapter was good, but can someone tell me 5 things:-

      How did Madara use Kamui? obito the original Kamui user himself stated that being a juubi jinchuriki makes him unable to use kamui

      Why is Kaguya's Dojutsu still being listed as a rinnegan?

      Shouldn't infinite tsukoyomi be listed under rinnegan technique?

      Shouldn't the infinite tsukoyomi part in Madara's page be listed under his rinnegan?

      Why is Tailed Beast Ball Rasenshuriken being listed as Wind Release?, i dont recall naruto saying Fuuton/ Wind Style

      Obit could not use it because the Rinnegan was not his and as such it was harder to control the 10 tails

      Kaguya's page never said she has a Rinnegan it always says she has a byakugan and Sharingan

      Infinite Tsukuyomi is a Sharingan based Dojutsu. Kaguya was the one who created it

      Rasenshuriken is a Wind Release technique so Tailed Beast Ball Rasenshuriken by Default would be a wind release technique

      Well, read carefully, i said why was madara able to use Kamui using Obito's sharingan while obito himself wasnt.. Obito said that being the Juubi'd jinchuriki doesn't allow him to use kamui

      Secondly, sorry i meant why is her dojutsu not being listed as rinnegan, but you are right, the sage did clear up that one

      Rasenshuriken isn't a wind technique, rasenkshuriken itself is only change in chakra form that can be used with any nature type like Lava style

      Unless and until it has been stated to be Wind style i don't think the wiki should simply assume that its wind style cause rasenshurkien isn't rasengan+ wind style

      Rasengan+windstyle gives you wind style rasengan, but later naruto uses shape transformation to shape his attack like a shuriken thus the name Rasenshuriken

      Obito simply said he could not maintain control over the juubi and use kamui. madara is different

      Rasenshuriken IS wind release. every time naruto uses a Rasengan with the shuriken in its name it has always shown wind release(the white blades that surround it) Naruto creates a rasengan kneeds wind release into it and uses shape change to form its shape into a shuriken and more over that is solely the reason he can throw it. with out wind nature it would not be able to be thrown. if he could throw any rasengan in sage mode or any mode higher he would have by now. also sometimes he doesn't say wind release Rasenshuriken some times he just forms it and says Rasenshuriken

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    • Norleon wrote: To join the Sakura-bashing: This chapter just shows every aspect of Sakura's character. And not even in a nutshell. There isn't more to say about that.

      To return to the actual discussion of the chapter: I think it's cool to see that Madara has now four of his Limbo shadows, but the concept of the whole previous chapter falls flat, as there isn't that much teamwork between them. Sakura and Kakashi can't do anything, Naruto and Sasuke start to become more and more overpowered with the powers that do not belong to them in the first place and Obito is again done for. I don't know, the manga gets more and more weird...the last bit of it that I enjoyed was Guy's awesome usage of the Eight Gates, it was the last time we saw a character that actually showed strength that belonged to himself, without any divine intervention...

      sasuke and naruto's powers actually do belong to them. they are the successors of Indra and Ashura its not like they were born and instantly had those powers they had to develop them over years and years of training. the power they have is solely theirs if neither of them had not trained neither of them would have ever awakened them. i guess you could say that they inherited a fragment of Indra and Ashura's chakra which influenced their chakra. then over years it caused the chakra they inherited from their parents to blossom

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    • The Winter King wrote:

      Norleon wrote: To join the Sakura-bashing: This chapter just shows every aspect of Sakura's character. And not even in a nutshell. There isn't more to say about that.

      To return to the actual discussion of the chapter: I think it's cool to see that Madara has now four of his Limbo shadows, but the concept of the whole previous chapter falls flat, as there isn't that much teamwork between them. Sakura and Kakashi can't do anything, Naruto and Sasuke start to become more and more overpowered with the powers that do not belong to them in the first place and Obito is again done for. I don't know, the manga gets more and more weird...the last bit of it that I enjoyed was Guy's awesome usage of the Eight Gates, it was the last time we saw a character that actually showed strength that belonged to himself, without any divine intervention...

      Couldn't have said it any better myself, the fact that Kakashi doesn't have a sharingan is pretty dis-appointing

      Although i dis-agree with you on the manga getting weirder part cause this one still was great

      But true, the best part of this arc is Eight gates Guy, especially Night Guy/Moth

      Kakashi losing the sharingan actually benefited him. in the first data book he was rated at a 33 second data book 34.5 and third data book 34.5 and that is base kakashi with out the aid of the sharingan removing the sharingan will only lower his genjutsu skills. but would increase his stamina greatly so in the end he is likely even higher now then he was in the data books maybe even close to jiraiya who in the data books was rated at a 35.5

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    • Actionmanrandell wrote:

      Kakashi losing the sharingan actually benefited him. in the first data book he was rated at a 33 second data book 34.5 and third data book 34.5 and that is base kakashi with out the aid of the sharingan removing the sharingan will only lower his genjutsu skills. but would increase his stamina greatly so in the end he is likely even higher now then he was in the data books maybe even close to jiraiya who in the data books was rated at a 35.5

      true, but the sharingan suited him, despite him not being an uchiha it still suited him, but his sharingan removal is not just a benefit, think of it as a double-edged sword

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    • Actionmanrandell wrote:

      Obito simply said he could not maintain control over the juubi and use kamui. madara is different

      Rasenshuriken IS wind release. every time naruto uses a Rasengan with the shuriken in its name it has always shown wind release(the white blades that surround it) Naruto creates a rasengan kneeds wind release into it and uses shape change to form its shape into a shuriken and more over that is solely the reason he can throw it. with out wind nature it would not be able to be thrown. if he could throw any rasengan in sage mode or any mode higher he would have by now. also sometimes he doesn't say wind release Rasenshuriken some times he just forms it and says Rasenshuriken

      thanks for the obito one

      But then Lava style rasenshuriken should also be wind release now shouldn't it?..

      And Naruto knows to make full use of rasenshuriken he has to add the wind chakra nature to it, rasenhuriken can be formed without wind chakra also as we have already witnessed lava style being added to it

      Unless and until it has been stated that his new tailed beast ball rasenshuriken is wind style the wikia shouldn't list it as one

      Cause so far he has only used one rasenshuriken variant where he clearly called it as lava style, here he didn't say anything so most likely this jutsu is only tailed beast ball with shape transformation

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    • Actionmanrandell wrote:

      sasuke and naruto's powers actually do belong to them. they are the successors of Indra and Ashura its not like they were born and instantly had those powers they had to develop them over years and years of training. the power they have is solely theirs if neither of them had not trained neither of them would have ever awakened them. i guess you could say that they inherited a fragment of Indra and Ashura's chakra which influenced their chakra. then over years it caused the chakra they inherited from their parents to blossom

      You are right and wrong at the same time, these powers slightly influenced their original powers, these powers were fully awakened when the sage released them, but the power they are using now isn't that of indra and ashura but its actually the sage's power himself

      What many including myself can't get is how are they able to even use these powers without any prior training, i mean they are geniuses, i don't doubt that, but we all know that in the past when some new power was shown naruto always used to train to use it

      It seems like a troll moment since even madara had to work a bit to be able to use the rinnegan to its full potential, i mean he actually had his life-span extended which gave him plenty of time to train.

      P.S What is the current status of hashirama and minato, i really want the first hokage back in the fight

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    • The Winter King wrote:

      Actionmanrandell wrote:

      Obito simply said he could not maintain control over the juubi and use kamui. madara is different

      Rasenshuriken IS wind release. every time naruto uses a Rasengan with the shuriken in its name it has always shown wind release(the white blades that surround it) Naruto creates a rasengan kneeds wind release into it and uses shape change to form its shape into a shuriken and more over that is solely the reason he can throw it. with out wind nature it would not be able to be thrown. if he could throw any rasengan in sage mode or any mode higher he would have by now. also sometimes he doesn't say wind release Rasenshuriken some times he just forms it and says Rasenshuriken

      thanks for the obito one

      But then Lava style rasenshuriken should also be wind release now shouldn't it?..

      And Naruto knows to make full use of rasenshuriken he has to add the wind chakra nature to it, rasenhuriken can be formed without wind chakra also as we have already witnessed lava style being added to it

      Unless and until it has been stated that his new tailed beast ball rasenshuriken is wind style the wikia shouldn't list it as one

      Cause so far he has only used one rasenshuriken variant where he clearly called it as lava style, here he didn't say anything so most likely this jutsu is only tailed beast ball with shape transformation


      Lava style rasenshuriken does have wind release in it. you are not listening the term rasenshuriken has only ever been used when wind release was used NEVER ONCE HAS HE SAID RASENSHURIKEN WITH OUT HAVING WIND IN IT THAT'S A FACT here is another fact about it. they have said that Rasenshuriken is a forbidden jutsu. because of its chakra nature. when kneeding wind release into it when it hits an object said Rasenshuriken explodes and expands using the wind release in it to slice a person with thousands upon thousands of microscopic blades

      there is no denying it. Rasenshuriken is by default wind release and as such any technique with the name Rasenshuriken in it has wind release

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    • Did anyone else notice that both the manga and anime this week ended with the villains' plan coming into practice? In this week's chapter, Madara initiates the Infinite Tsukuyomi, and in this week's episode, the Ten-Tails is revived.

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    • The Winter King wrote:

      Actionmanrandell wrote:

      sasuke and naruto's powers actually do belong to them. they are the successors of Indra and Ashura its not like they were born and instantly had those powers they had to develop them over years and years of training. the power they have is solely theirs if neither of them had not trained neither of them would have ever awakened them. i guess you could say that they inherited a fragment of Indra and Ashura's chakra which influenced their chakra. then over years it caused the chakra they inherited from their parents to blossom

      You are right and wrong at the same time, these powers slightly influenced their original powers, these powers were fully awakened when the sage released them, but the power they are using now isn't that of indra and ashura but its actually the sage's power himself

      What many including myself can't get is how are they able to even use these powers without any prior training, i mean they are geniuses, i don't doubt that, but we all know that in the past when some new power was shown naruto always used to train to use it

      It seems like a troll moment since even madara had to work a bit to be able to use the rinnegan to its full potential, i mean he actually had his life-span extended which gave him plenty of time to train.

      P.S What is the current status of hashirama and minato, i really want the first hokage back in the fight

      Actually it is 100% their power. when someone gives you something it becomes yours the chakra would be different in their body because their power would be a combination of their own power and the sage but that is beside the point. all the sage did was fully awaken each of their powers. Indra was born with half of the sages powers ashura trained and eventually his chakra blossomed to be half of his fathers. so its none the less their own power. the only thing that was given to them by the sage was a little extra power

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    • Why was Black Zetsu's right eye never seen in the chapter? Only the left eye was seen, which should be the eye the Madara stole from Kakashi.

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    • heyyyyyy can someone answer to my question what do you think of my ideas please answer :(

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    • Since Itachi's speech to Naruto, i've always known the world would fall to the infinite tsukiyomi. However, i was expecting things to turn out this way because i remembered itachi's words that no jutsu was absolute, they all have a weakness. For example, the ten tails jinchuriki looks invincible but is vulnerable to nature energy attacks and taijutsu, therefore, since the infinite tsukiyomi is still a dream based genjutsu, it may involve the characters knowingly giving up the very things they want most in the subconscious (since it's supposedly a world of winners) to break out of it. Bottom line is no jutsu is absolute according to Itachi and that aesope is sticking so far.

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    • Zginder wrote: Why was Black Zetsu's right eye never seen in the chapter? Only the left eye was seen, which should be the eye the Madara stole from Kakashi.

      Originally Zetsu was one creature. than Madara infused half of him with his own will. the reason you only see one eye of black zetsu because he is only half of the original zetsu

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    • Actionmanrandell wrote:

      Actually it is 100% their power. when someone gives you something it becomes yours the chakra would be different in their body because their power would be a combination of their own power and the sage but that is beside the point. all the sage did was fully awaken each of their powers. Indra was born with half of the sages powers ashura trained and eventually his chakra blossomed to be half of his fathers. so its none the less their own power. the only thing that was given to them by the sage was a little extra power

      That still doesn't explain how they are using this new power without any prior training.

      But i still doubt the sage only gave a little amount his own power, since sasuke got the rinnegan - now thats a power that indra didn't have

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    • The Winter King wrote:

      Actionmanrandell wrote:

      Actually it is 100% their power. when someone gives you something it becomes yours the chakra would be different in their body because their power would be a combination of their own power and the sage but that is beside the point. all the sage did was fully awaken each of their powers. Indra was born with half of the sages powers ashura trained and eventually his chakra blossomed to be half of his fathers. so its none the less their own power. the only thing that was given to them by the sage was a little extra power

      That still doesn't explain how they are using this new power without any prior training.

      But i still doubt the sage only gave a little amount his own power, since sasuke got the rinnegan - now thats a power that indra didn't have

      why would they need to train to use said powers they have been using them their entire lifes. its just that the sage fully awakened there powers

      and notice how sasuke only has 1 Rinnegan if he had given them more then just a little of his own power sasuke would have 2 rinnegan

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    • Actionmanrandell wrote:

      why would they need to train to use said powers they have been using them their entire lifes. its just that the sage fully awakened there powers

      and notice how sasuke only has 1 Rinnegan if he had given them more then just a little of his own power sasuke would have 2 rinnegan

      Wow, so naruto always knew how to make new eye balls?

      And sasuke could always teleport using his eys?

      Your explanation is a bit flawed since the techniques they are using right now haven't been used by them ever before, they are using this without any prior training. And not to mention both of them had enough power to damage madara without any training, someone who has a lot of battler of experience himself. It seemed like, "new powers= lets kick madara's ass, who care about training"

      Tailed beast rasenshuriken and susanoo in chapter 676- now thats their original power

      But you know, it has never been implied the sage awakened a power within them, rather it was said that he gave half of his power to each of them
      

      He himself said," extend your dominant arm and i'll give my powers to you" in chapter 671, he didn't say some or didn't say let me awaken the power within you

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    • The only thing I didn't like was Naruto making eyeballs.

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    • The powers they received are similar in way to what powers they acquired on their own. Naruto is basically doing the same thing he has been doing with kurama except using the powers of all the tailed beast and a more powerful sage mode isn't really that hard to use after mastering it already. The healing thing is new but it's along the lines of how he distributes chakra to protect and heal his comrades. Sasuke has only displayed having the ability to teleport with the rinnegan and it's not hard to use after his experience with dojutsus before hand.

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    • The Winter King wrote:

      Actionmanrandell wrote:

      why would they need to train to use said powers they have been using them their entire lifes. its just that the sage fully awakened there powers

      and notice how sasuke only has 1 Rinnegan if he had given them more then just a little of his own power sasuke would have 2 rinnegan

      Wow, so naruto always knew how to make new eye balls?

      And sasuke could always teleport using his eys?

      Your explanation is a bit flawed since the techniques they are using right now haven't been used by them ever before, they are using this without any prior training. And not to mention both of them had enough power to damage madara without any training, someone who has a lot of battler of experience himself. It seemed like, "new powers= lets kick madara's ass, who care about training"

      Tailed beast rasenshuriken and susanoo in chapter 676- now thats their original power

      But you know, it has never been implied the sage awakened a power within them, rather it was said that he gave half of his power to each of them
      

      He himself said," extend your dominant arm and i'll give my powers to you" in chapter 671, he didn't say some or didn't say let me awaken the power within you

      they could not always use the techniques they now can but that power was always in them deep down inside them

      there is no reason to believe they would have to train to use them. obito instantly mastered Kamui the moment he awakened his Mangekyou sharingan so there is no reason that Naruto and Sasuke would not be able to master their new techniques instantly

      Indra was born with half of the sages powers and Ashura awakened it through hard work and determination. thats why those who combine the power of uchiha and senju awaken the Rinnegan so its the same thing. he said i will give you my power all he is saying is here i will speed up the process of their growth.

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    • The only one of Naruto's current powers that doesn't seem to build off anything we've seen him do before is the healing thing. Everything he's done to combat Madara is based on the skills he's gained over the course of the series.

      Right now Sasuke's powers are pretty much a complete unknown. The exact nature of his teleportation/super speed/ability to move things is up in the air.

      On the topic of Sakura, I feel like Kishi's building to something. So far she's the only one whose powers are completely derived from the one who trained her. She seems to be accepting that she's more suited to play a supporting role for Naruto and Sasuke, but the question is how she will do so. While she doesn't have the naturally high chakra levels of her teammates, she does have the best chakra control, and has been storing chakra for years. With Sasuke and Naruto using different aspects of the Sage's powers, maybe Sakura will be the one to use his tools.

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      1. LATE

      So I've just read the chapter and realized that our dear Sakura is still as useless as ever. (Sorry hater here) -_-

      Anyways, the next chapter would be really interesting since **insert spoiler here**Madara is about to perform Mugen Tsukoyomi**.

      There's the fact that Naruto has a new jutsu and Madara becoming more powerful. Sasuke seems to improve. Really great chap. XD

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    • why no one is listening to me -_- -_- please give you opinions on my ideas

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    • why no one is listening to me -_- -_- please give you opinions on my ideas

      Well, if you ask so badly for it...

      Mounzer wrote: 1-kabuto will revive kaguya to stop madara and there will be a fight between them.

      Highly doubtable, as Madara, Naruto and Sasuke are most likely the only people alive who know that Kaguya ever existed.

      2-remember that who has the complete power of the sage can stop him but sasuke and naruto get the half only and what if naruto summoned the tailed beasts and sasuke summoned the demonic statue and after that they separate the power of a part of the juubi between them then they will get two of them the complete power and if you search for asura you'll see that he have something called the battle avatar and asura is the raincarnated into naruto then sasuke use his susano and naruto the avatar to stop the infinite tsukuyomi

      I can't even follow your trains of thought here. But I know that summoning the Tailed Beasts that are inside you wasn't an option at any time, so I don't think it would be working right now as well.

      i think there is a way to stop infinite tsukuyomi it's the :"KOTOAMATSUKUYOMI" the special mangekyo sharingan of shisui i only think that if this eye is used on madara it can let the infinite tsukuyomi turn into him : )

      Kotoamatsukami is lost forever since both eyes are destroyed.

      Does that satisfy you?

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    • but itachis eyes are special enough.his amatyratsu

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    • Member:georgie wrote: but itachis eyes are special enough.his amatyratsu

      I don't know how itachi's eyes fit into this mess, but the fact of the matter is that there is nothing special about itachi's eyes. Itachi was special but his eyes weren't

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    • Actionmanrandell wrote:

      they could not always use the techniques they now can but that power was always in them deep down inside them

      there is no reason to believe they would have to train to use them. obito instantly mastered Kamui the moment he awakened his Mangekyou sharingan so there is no reason that Naruto and Sasuke would not be able to master their new techniques instantly

      Indra was born with half of the sages powers and Ashura awakened it through hard work and determination. thats why those who combine the power of uchiha and senju awaken the Rinnegan so its the same thing. he said i will give you my power all he is saying is here i will speed up the process of their growth.

      That was obito's own power, and this is the sage's power that they are using, it hasn't been implied anywhere that the sage awoken their dormant powers but rather he simply gave each of them half of his power

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    • Also, can someone help understand this-

      Kaguya's eye is called a sharingan

      Sasuke's left eye is called a rinnegan

      And madara's third eye is called Juubi's eye

      But all are identical

      Whats the deal?

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    • Its really going to be intresting these next few chapters on how theyre going to escape the tsukoyomi, maybe this is a stretch but, i think they're going to have to give up what they truly desire in order to escape the genjutsu.

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    • Saiken06 wrote: Its really going to be intresting these next few chapters on how theyre going to escape the tsukoyomi, maybe this is a stretch but, i think they're going to have to give up what they truly desire in order to escape the genjutsu.

      Interesting idea

      Would be fun to see them do that rather than seeing sasuke or naruto pulling something out their ass to save everyone

      Your idea is really great, the plot would be stretched a bit but it will be worth it

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    • dude, madara has two eyes .One is the sharigan and the other is the rinnegan

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    • and anyway the manga is usally dumb enough

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    • well actually Im new to this wiki.I hope i can catch up with you guys in this naruto knowledge

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    • Soul reaper wrote: The only one of Naruto's current powers that doesn't seem to build off anything we've seen him do before is the healing thing. Everything he's done to combat Madara is based on the skills he's gained over the course of the series.

      Right now Sasuke's powers are pretty much a complete unknown. The exact nature of his teleportation/super speed/ability to move things is up in the air.

      On the topic of Sakura, I feel like Kishi's building to something. So far she's the only one whose powers are completely derived from the one who trained her. She seems to be accepting that she's more suited to play a supporting role for Naruto and Sasuke, but the question is how she will do so. While she doesn't have the naturally high chakra levels of her teammates, she does have the best chakra control, and has been storing chakra for years. With Sasuke and Naruto using different aspects of the Sage's powers, maybe Sakura will be the one to use his tools.

      i would say now that naruto has mastered tailed beast mode he likely has the best chakra control now. being that he can even create arms out of chakra and use it to grip objects throw them etc etc which has to take a lot of control

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    • The Winter King wrote:

      Actionmanrandell wrote:

      they could not always use the techniques they now can but that power was always in them deep down inside them

      there is no reason to believe they would have to train to use them. obito instantly mastered Kamui the moment he awakened his Mangekyou sharingan so there is no reason that Naruto and Sasuke would not be able to master their new techniques instantly

      Indra was born with half of the sages powers and Ashura awakened it through hard work and determination. thats why those who combine the power of uchiha and senju awaken the Rinnegan so its the same thing. he said i will give you my power all he is saying is here i will speed up the process of their growth.

      That was obito's own power, and this is the sage's power that they are using, it hasn't been implied anywhere that the sage awoken their dormant powers but rather he simply gave each of them half of his power

      you are not listening if Indra had half of the sages powers and Ashura had the other half and the sage gave Sasuke half of his powers and Naruto half of his powers it would imply he simply gave them Indra and Ashura's complete power

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    • The Winter King wrote: Also, can someone help understand this-

      Kaguya's eye is called a sharingan

      Sasuke's left eye is called a rinnegan

      And madara's third eye is called Juubi's eye

      But all are identical

      Whats the deal?

      Did they really call the third eye Juubi's eye i can't remember

      and Kaguya's sharingan is different than sasukes rinnegan and the third eye on madara kaguya's sharingan has 9 tamoe 4 ripples 3 tamoe on the inner ripple with a dot in the middle of the eye tamoe on the second middle ripple and 3 on the outer ripple sasuke has 3 ripples 6 possibly a 7th tamoe 3 tamoe on the inner ripple 1 dot in the middle of the eye 3 tamoe on the second ripple(possibly a 4 can't tell because the top half of the eye is not fully shown now madara's third eye is identical to kaguyas

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    • Actionmanrandell wrote:

      Did they really call the third eye Juubi's eye i can't remember

      and Kaguya's sharingan is different than sasukes rinnegan and the third eye on madara kaguya's sharingan has 9 tamoe 4 ripples 3 tamoe on the inner ripple with a dot in the middle of the eye tamoe on the second middle ripple and 3 on the outer ripple sasuke has 3 ripples 6 possibly a 7th tamoe 3 tamoe on the inner ripple 1 dot in the middle of the eye 3 tamoe on the second ripple(possibly a 4 can't tell because the top half of the eye is not fully shown now madara's third eye is identical to kaguyas

      Wait the variation in ripples and tomoes, isn't that a simple drawing mistake?

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    • Actionmanrandell wrote:

      you are not listening if Indra had half of the sages powers and Ashura had the other half and the sage gave Sasuke half of his powers and Naruto half of his powers it would imply he simply gave them Indra and Ashura's complete power

      Alright, if that were the case it still doesn't explain how they are able to use their new powers without any prior training. If the sage simply awakened their hidden potential then how are they able to use new techniques without any previous knowledge of the techniques

      I can understand naruto doing it, since he hasn't brought anything new to the table except Eyeball replacement jutsu. Sure we have seem rasenhuriken variants but still rasenshuriken is his own jutsu unlike sasuke who now can teleport

      As for the obito part, that too can be considered as laziness on the writers part,getting a new power-up is one thing, but being able to use new techniques without any prior training is just absurd. I mean its ridiculous he could've done something more creative to power-up sasuke and naruto.

      What an ass-pull this is, a guy(madara) trains by extending his natural life-span to master techniques, two brats come along and its conveniently revealed that they are the reincarnations of some big shots and gain their powers and are able to use these powers without any prior training to kick madara's ass

      Kishi's laziness is being reflected in his works, not to mention how pathetic he is in covering this World war, none of us have any idea regarding the whereabouts of minato, hashirama, tobirama, hiruzen and the others

      I mean are they just standing there like a bunch of incompetent idiots?

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    • Member:georgie wrote: dude, madara has two eyes .One is the sharigan and the other is the rinnegan

      i think you mean to say Sasuke has two eyes

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    • Kishi had make too many cliffhangers, the yamato whereabouts, the anko whereabouts, the combat between the 5 kages, hiruzen and the guru-guru creature.. and then what happened to Killer Bee?

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    • How was madara even close to the moon when he awoke the 3rd eye

      It seemed extremely stupid, i mean, dude!! you're on earth, thats nowhere close to the moon

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    • IZafri wrote: Kishi had make too many cliffhangers, the yamato whereabouts, the anko whereabouts, the combat between the 5 kages, hiruzen and the guru-guru creature.. and then what happened to Killer Bee?

      This is good for us because that means it will extend the series even longer

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    • Saiken06 wrote:

      IZafri wrote: Kishi had make too many cliffhangers, the yamato whereabouts, the anko whereabouts, the combat between the 5 kages, hiruzen and the guru-guru creature.. and then what happened to Killer Bee?

      This is good for us because that means it will extend the series even longer

      No, those aren't cliffhangers, its called stupidity on the writers part

      I mean what are the others doing?

      Sipping sake while enjoying the fight?

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    • Hurm.. if Madara succeeded in executing his plan, lets just say it could be. and then, he can conquer the world. and then? what happened? being a controller in just a dreaming world. Madara is so pathetic.

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    • Also its been said by the sage himself that Madara was a reincarnation of his son as well, then how come madara ans sasuke's rinnegan are different?

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    • The Winter King wrote:

      Actionmanrandell wrote:

      you are not listening if Indra had half of the sages powers and Ashura had the other half and the sage gave Sasuke half of his powers and Naruto half of his powers it would imply he simply gave them Indra and Ashura's complete power

      Alright, if that were the case it still doesn't explain how they are able to use their new powers without any prior training. If the sage simply awakened their hidden potential then how are they able to use new techniques without any previous knowledge of the techniques

      I can understand naruto doing it, since he hasn't brought anything new to the table except Eyeball replacement jutsu. Sure we have seem rasenhuriken variants but still rasenshuriken is his own jutsu unlike sasuke who now can teleport

      As for the obito part, that too can be considered as laziness on the writers part,getting a new power-up is one thing, but being able to use new techniques without any prior training is just absurd. I mean its ridiculous he could've done something more creative to power-up sasuke and naruto.

      What an ass-pull this is, a guy(madara) trains by extending his natural life-span to master techniques, two brats come along and its conveniently revealed that they are the reincarnations of some big shots and gain their powers and are able to use these powers without any prior training to kick madara's ass

      Kishi's laziness is being reflected in his works, not to mention how pathetic he is in covering this World war, none of us have any idea regarding the whereabouts of minato, hashirama, tobirama, hiruzen and the others

      I mean are they just standing there like a bunch of incompetent idiots?

      how is it any different than any superhero discovering they have powers. when they start out they generally have to train to use them but once a super hero gets to a specific level they generally can learn any newly awakened powers quickly on instinct

      on a side note Kishimoto is actually great at foreshadowing things

      example if you look at Obito's battle mask(the one Naruto broke revealing him to be obito) has 3 slots 2 for the normal eye and 1 for the third eye that goes to show the foreshadowing of the third eye and that obito was planning on not bringing madara back to life

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    • IZafri wrote: Hurm.. if Madara succeeded in executing his plan, lets just say it could be. and then, he can conquer the world. and then? what happened? being a controller in just a dreaming world. Madara is so pathetic.

      the infinite tsukuyomi absorbs each person into the tree and then combine their chakras with the 10 tails in doing so the tree can keep everyone alive(as in no one will ever die again)

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    • The Winter King wrote: Also its been said by the sage himself that Madara was a reincarnation of his son as well, then how come madara ans sasuke's rinnegan are different?


      actually he said that Madara hashirama sasuke and Naruto are his sons Successors not their reincarnation. Reincarnation implies the soul has been reborn. but thats not the case here. hagoromo said that when Indra and Ashura were destroyed there bodies and life were extinguished but their Chakra remained and over the years the chakra were reborn into their descendants

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    • Actionmanrandell wrote:

      how is it any different than any superhero discovering they have powers. when they start out they generally have to train to use them but once a super hero gets to a specific level they generally can learn any newly awakened powers quickly on instinct

      on a side note Kishimoto is actually great at foreshadowing things

      example if you look at Obito's battle mask(the one Naruto broke revealing him to be obito) has 3 slots 2 for the normal eye and 1 for the third eye that goes to show the foreshadowing of the third eye and that obito was planning on not bringing madara back to life

      Well for your side note, i say kishimoto is great at that, but you can't deny he has been slipping up way too much

      As for the comic book comparison part, i don't mean any offence when i say this but i am the sort of guy who keeps manga/anime above comics, because comics have an absurd writing style

      And no offense to you, but your arguments so far have been flawless so far but the comic book point was just plain stupid

      We are talking about anime.

      P.S I love it when in DBZ vs Anything threads on some forums they say, "DBZ vs DBZ is fine but DBZ vs anything is banned"

      I am like "lol!!"

      DBZ FTW

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    • Actionmanrandell wrote:

      The Winter King wrote:

      Actionmanrandell wrote:

      they could not always use the techniques they now can but that power was always in them deep down inside them

      there is no reason to believe they would have to train to use them. obito instantly mastered Kamui the moment he awakened his Mangekyou sharingan so there is no reason that Naruto and Sasuke would not be able to master their new techniques instantly

      Indra was born with half of the sages powers and Ashura awakened it through hard work and determination. thats why those who combine the power of uchiha and senju awaken the Rinnegan so its the same thing. he said i will give you my power all he is saying is here i will speed up the process of their growth.

      That was obito's own power, and this is the sage's power that they are using, it hasn't been implied anywhere that the sage awoken their dormant powers but rather he simply gave each of them half of his power

      you are not listening if Indra had half of the sages powers and Ashura had the other half and the sage gave Sasuke half of his powers and Naruto half of his powers it would imply he simply gave them Indra and Ashura's complete power

      I believe that Sasuke will without a doubt give Naruto his half of the sages power if Madara kills him so Naruto will possess the Rinnegan my theory is that Hagoromo told Sasuke that he was planning on giving Naruto the Rinnegan along with the Senjutsu of the six paths but Naruto is still not ready to have all that power yet so he told him that he gives Sasuke the Rinnegan to give to Naruto when he's proven himself worthy of the power.

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    • Actionmanrandell wrote:

      IZafri wrote: Hurm.. if Madara succeeded in executing his plan, lets just say it could be. and then, he can conquer the world. and then? what happened? being a controller in just a dreaming world. Madara is so pathetic.

      the infinite tsukuyomi absorbs each person into the tree and then combine their chakras with the 10 tails in doing so the tree can keep everyone alive(as in no one will ever die again)

      But keeping people locked away in an illusion is a fate worse than death, death actually is part of life.

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    • Actionmanrandell wrote:

      The Winter King wrote: Also its been said by the sage himself that Madara was a reincarnation of his son as well, then how come madara ans sasuke's rinnegan are different?

      actually he said that Madara hashirama sasuke and Naruto are his sons Successors not their reincarnation. Reincarnation implies the soul has been reborn. but thats not the case here. hagoromo said that when Indra and Ashura were destroyed there bodies and life were extinguished but their Chakra remained and over the years the chakra were reborn into their descendants

      I am pretty sure that both hashirama and madara were named as reincarnations

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    • The Winter King wrote:

      Actionmanrandell wrote:

      how is it any different than any superhero discovering they have powers. when they start out they generally have to train to use them but once a super hero gets to a specific level they generally can learn any newly awakened powers quickly on instinct

      on a side note Kishimoto is actually great at foreshadowing things

      example if you look at Obito's battle mask(the one Naruto broke revealing him to be obito) has 3 slots 2 for the normal eye and 1 for the third eye that goes to show the foreshadowing of the third eye and that obito was planning on not bringing madara back to life

      Well for your side note, i say kishimoto is great at that, but you can't deny he has been slipping up way too much

      As for the comic book comparison part, i don't mean any offence when i say this but i am the sort of guy who keeps manga/anime above comics, because comics have an absurd writing style

      And no offense to you, but your arguments so far have been flawless so far but the comic book point was just plain stupid

      We are talking about anime.

      P.S I love it when in DBZ vs Anything threads on some forums they say, "DBZ vs DBZ is fine but DBZ vs anything is banned"

      I am like "lol!!"

      DBZ FTW

      lol i was just using the super hero thing for an example

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    • VenFuu wrote:

      I believe that Sasuke will without a doubt give Naruto his half of the sages power if Madara kills him so Naruto will possess the Rinnegan my theory is that Hagoromo told Sasuke that he was planning on giving Naruto the Rinnegan along with the Senjutsu of the six paths but Naruto is still not ready to have all that power yet so he told him that he gives Sasuke the Rinnegan to give to Naruto when he's proven himself worthy of the power.

      I highly doubt that, cause the sage already regrets not recognizing Indra his actual son, so he's making up for it by helping his reincarnation

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    • The Winter King wrote:

      Actionmanrandell wrote:

      IZafri wrote: Hurm.. if Madara succeeded in executing his plan, lets just say it could be. and then, he can conquer the world. and then? what happened? being a controller in just a dreaming world. Madara is so pathetic.

      the infinite tsukuyomi absorbs each person into the tree and then combine their chakras with the 10 tails in doing so the tree can keep everyone alive(as in no one will ever die again)

      But keeping people locked away in an illusion is a fate worse than death, death actually is part of life.

      I agree. i would rather have a finite amount of time on earth with free will to do what i choose then live an eternity of false peace controlled by a hate fueled cry baby(i say cry baby because Madara is Indra's successor and Indra was butt hurt about not getting the position as head of the shinobi)

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    • Btw people, i know this is naruto wikia, but i want to ask everyone this, naruto and bleach will end soon.

      A couple have recommended me to give fairy tail a second chance since i didn't like it in the first go

      But i am a big fan of dragons. I want to try it but i keep hearing fairy tail is the king of ass-pulls, is it true?

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    • The Winter King wrote:

      Actionmanrandell wrote:

      The Winter King wrote: Also its been said by the sage himself that Madara was a reincarnation of his son as well, then how come madara ans sasuke's rinnegan are different?

      actually he said that Madara hashirama sasuke and Naruto are his sons Successors not their reincarnation. Reincarnation implies the soul has been reborn. but thats not the case here. hagoromo said that when Indra and Ashura were destroyed there bodies and life were extinguished but their Chakra remained and over the years the chakra were reborn into their descendants

      I am pretty sure that both hashirama and madara were named as reincarnations

      No hagoromo said that his sons chakra did not die but was reborn over the years in their descendants . naruto said eww its like being possessed by some old dead guy then asked who is possessed by his son ashura hagoromo said You Naruto. you are Ashura's successor. you have inherited his chakra

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    • The Winter King wrote:

      VenFuu wrote:

      I believe that Sasuke will without a doubt give Naruto his half of the sages power if Madara kills him so Naruto will possess the Rinnegan my theory is that Hagoromo told Sasuke that he was planning on giving Naruto the Rinnegan along with the Senjutsu of the six paths but Naruto is still not ready to have all that power yet so he told him that he gives Sasuke the Rinnegan to give to Naruto when he's proven himself worthy of the power.

      I highly doubt that, cause the sage already regrets not recognizing Indra his actual son, so he's making up for it by helping his reincarnation

      he never said he regrets not recognizing Indra as his actual son. because Indra was the older intelligent good at everything son Ashura was the one he said was A no good idiot(basically)

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    • Actionmanrandell wrote:

      No hagoromo said that his sons chakra did not die but was reborn over the years in their descendants . naruto said eww its like being possessed by some old dead guy then asked who is possessed by his son ashura hagoromo said You Naruto. you are Ashura's successor. you have inherited his chakra

      http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/671/5

      That page ^

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    • Actionmanrandell wrote:

      he never said he regrets not recognizing Indra as his actual son. because Indra was the older intelligent good at everything son Ashura was the one he said was A no good idiot(basically) </div>

      http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/671/15

      "in the past i left everything to ashura and didn't pay enough attention to indra"

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    • The Winter King wrote:

      Actionmanrandell wrote:

      No hagoromo said that his sons chakra did not die but was reborn over the years in their descendants . naruto said eww its like being possessed by some old dead guy then asked who is possessed by his son ashura hagoromo said You Naruto. you are Ashura's successor. you have inherited his chakra

      http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/671/5

      That page ^

      that page not once says Reincarnation it says successor

      and its not even working on that site

      this one is http://www.mangabee.com/Naruto/671.5/5/

      "in the past i left everything to ashura and didn't pay enough attention to indra"

      the actual translation of the Japanese manga doesn't say that it says Once before i couldn't do anything as indra turned upon ashura after i entrusted everything to him

      http://www.mangabee.com/Naruto/671.5/15/

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    • Now thats called translational differences

      But successors doesn't make much sense there, calling them reincarnations is more like it,

      "Successors of previous generation" means reincarnations, the word successor doesn't seem to fit there

      See here, http://www.mangabee.com/Naruto/671.5/3/

      That implies sasuke is indra's successor and not his reincarnation, which is obviously incorrect

      The japanese version also says the same thing, he says once before he couldn't do anything, that means he regrets overlooking indra and doesn't want to make them same mistake with sasuke

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    • The Winter King wrote: Now thats called translational differences

      But successors doesn't make much sense there, calling them reincarnations is more like it,

      "Successors of previous generation" means reincarnations, the word successor doesn't seem to fit there

      See here, http://www.mangabee.com/Naruto/671.5/3/

      That implies sasuke is indra's successor and not his reincarnation, which is obviously incorrect

      The japanese version also says the same thing, he says once before he couldn't do anything, that means he regrets overlooking indra and doesn't want to make them same mistake with sasuke

      actually the one i showed you is the correct translation. the people at mangabee have the best translations out there also a friend of mine who is from japan said the correct translation is Successor

      the word Reincarnation means the soul is reborn soul and chakra are two different things. the japanese version says exactly what it says on mangabee

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    • Actionmanrandell wrote:


      actually the one i showed you is the correct translation. the people at mangabee have the best translations out there also a friend of mine who is from japan said the correct translation is Successor

      the word Reincarnation means the soul is reborn soul and chakra are two different things. the japanese version says exactly what it says on mangabee


      So in that case sasuke is indra's successor according to this page?
      

      http://www.mangabee.com/Naruto/671.5/3/

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    • The Winter King wrote: Now thats called translational differences

      But successors doesn't make much sense there, calling them reincarnations is more like it,

      "Successors of previous generation" means reincarnations, the word successor doesn't seem to fit there

      See here, http://www.mangabee.com/Naruto/671.5/3/

      That implies sasuke is indra's successor and not his reincarnation, which is obviously incorrect

      The japanese version also says the same thing, he says once before he couldn't do anything, that means he regrets overlooking indra and doesn't want to make them same mistake with sasuke

      also Naruto is based around various eastern religions such as shinto and Buddhism

      Buddhists believe in reincarnation, although not in the sense of an irreducible self passing from body to body. They describe it as a  dying candle lighting a new one in other words Indra and Ashura themselves are not being reborn over and over again in new bodies. but what is happening is their chakra is being reborn over and over then attaching itself to a new person and then lighting said persons inner flame(Chakra) so based on the very buddhist definition of reincarnation then yes successor is the correct term its like when the dalai lama chooses his successor(someone who will inherit his essence) the dalai lama doesn't believe that he himself is actually being reborn just his essence and will power its the same thing with hashirama and his will of fire
      
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    • Actionmanrandell wrote:

      The Winter King wrote: Now thats called translational differences

      But successors doesn't make much sense there, calling them reincarnations is more like it,

      "Successors of previous generation" means reincarnations, the word successor doesn't seem to fit there

      See here, http://www.mangabee.com/Naruto/671.5/3/

      That implies sasuke is indra's successor and not his reincarnation, which is obviously incorrect

      The japanese version also says the same thing, he says once before he couldn't do anything, that means he regrets overlooking indra and doesn't want to make them same mistake with sasuke

      also Naruto is based around various eastern religions such as shinto and Buddhism

      Buddhists believe in reincarnation, although not in the sense of an irreducible self passing from body to body. They describe it as a  dying candle lighting a new one in other words Indra and Ashura themselves are not being reborn over and over again in new bodies. but what is happening is their chakra is being reborn over and over then attaching itself to a new person and then lighting said persons inner flame(Chakra) so based on the very buddhist definition of reincarnation then yes successor is the correct term its like when the dalai lama chooses his successor(someone who will inherit his essence) the dalai lama doesn't believe that he himself is actually being reborn just his essence and will power its the same thing with hashirama and his will of fire
      

      Hold your horses my friend, i am perfectly familiar with the word -Reincarnation,

      What my question is- If we go by the translation of Mangabee then sasuke is indra's successor, is that it?

      Then that also means that the previous successors were hashirama and madara, correct?

      Then how does madara end up with a normal rinnegan while sasuke gets the ten tails variant?

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    • The Winter King wrote:

      Actionmanrandell wrote:


      actually the one i showed you is the correct translation. the people at mangabee have the best translations out there also a friend of mine who is from japan said the correct translation is Successor

      the word Reincarnation means the soul is reborn soul and chakra are two different things. the japanese version says exactly what it says on mangabee


      So in that case sasuke is indra's successor according to this page?
      

      http://www.mangabee.com/Naruto/671.5/3/

      yes. Sasuke is Indra's successor even in buddhism they do not say I am the Reincarnation of so in so they say i am so in so's Successor which is the person who inherited the last persons essence they have their own essence which was sparked by the last persons essence so when a person says that the power Naruto and sasuke have is not theirs you can say yes it is all Indra and ashura did was light the fire inside sasuke and Naruto

      also it says Indra was the older brother but it actually appears as if they were actually Twins. kishimoto used him and his brother as inspirations for Indra and Ashura and Masashi Kishimoto and his Brother Seishi are actually Twins. also if you look at when Hagoromo was talking about his mother he said she eventually had two sons it appeared that they were twins as well

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    • The Winter King wrote:

      Actionmanrandell wrote:

      The Winter King wrote: Now thats called translational differences

      But successors doesn't make much sense there, calling them reincarnations is more like it,

      "Successors of previous generation" means reincarnations, the word successor doesn't seem to fit there

      See here, http://www.mangabee.com/Naruto/671.5/3/

      That implies sasuke is indra's successor and not his reincarnation, which is obviously incorrect

      The japanese version also says the same thing, he says once before he couldn't do anything, that means he regrets overlooking indra and doesn't want to make them same mistake with sasuke

      also Naruto is based around various eastern religions such as shinto and Buddhism

      Buddhists believe in reincarnation, although not in the sense of an irreducible self passing from body to body. They describe it as a  dying candle lighting a new one in other words Indra and Ashura themselves are not being reborn over and over again in new bodies. but what is happening is their chakra is being reborn over and over then attaching itself to a new person and then lighting said persons inner flame(Chakra) so based on the very buddhist definition of reincarnation then yes successor is the correct term its like when the dalai lama chooses his successor(someone who will inherit his essence) the dalai lama doesn't believe that he himself is actually being reborn just his essence and will power its the same thing with hashirama and his will of fire
      

      Hold your horses my friend, i am perfectly familiar with the word -Reincarnation,

      What my question is- If we go by the translation of Mangabee then sasuke is indra's successor, is that it?

      Then that also means that the previous successors were hashirama and madara, correct?

      Then how does madara end up with a normal rinnegan while sasuke gets the ten tails variant?

      Yes Sasuke is the successor and madara and hashirama were the last Successors and like i said the buddhist do not believe that a person can be reborn they only believe a persons inner flame can spark a new flame in a new person so what that means is even though they are all successors of Indra and ashura they are unique. they have a connection but things can change for instance. sasuke was given power by hagoromo and so was Naruto Sasuke has a different Rinnegan because Sasuke's EMS is different than Madara's Because sasukes EMS is the combination of his own original Mangekyou sharingan and Itachi's creating a Unique EMS because of that when it evolved into the Rinnegan it has a different appearance plus beside Sasuke doesn't have just Indra's chakra clinging to him. he has his own chakra that he inherited from both his mother and father chakra is influenced by two separate energies Spiritual energy and physical energy so doing anything differently( like physically training different than Madara or meditating differently then him) would have caused Sasukes chakra to change differently

      its easy to come to the assumption that each successor has unique chakra even between each other because Kurama noted that Sasukes chakra was even more ominous then Madara's Indicating that Sasuke's chakra is in fact darker than Madara's now of course Madara stole hashirama's power and as such it is currently probabily more ominous then sasukes but none the less sasuke has the potential to surpass Madara

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    • Actionmanrandell wrote:

      Yes Sasuke is the successor and madara and hashirama were the last Successors and like i said the buddhist do not believe that a person can be reborn they only believe a persons inner flame can spark a new flame in a new person so what that means is even though they are all successors of Indra and ashura they are unique. they have a connection but things can change for instance. sasuke was given power by hagoromo and so was Naruto Sasuke has a different Rinnegan because Sasuke's EMS is different than Madara's Because sasukes EMS is the combination of his own original Mangekyou sharingan and Itachi's creating a Unique EMS because of that when it evolved into the Rinnegan it has a different appearance plus beside Sasuke doesn't have just Indra's chakra clinging to him. he has his own chakra that he inherited from both his mother and father chakra is influenced by two separate energies Spiritual energy and physical energy so doing anything differently( like physically training different than Madara or meditating differently then him) would have caused Sasukes chakra to change differently

      its easy to come to the assumption that each successor has unique chakra even between each other because Kurama noted that Sasukes chakra was even more ominous then Madara's Indicating that Sasuke's chakra is in fact darker than Madara's now of course Madara stole hashirama's power and as such it is currently probabily more ominous then sasukes but none the less sasuke has the potential to surpass Madara

      you know just like sasuke, madara too has his father and mother's chakra- so that part is pretty much useless

      But, i can understand if sasuke's rinnegan was different based on your reasoning, but that doesn't explain why it looks like the shinju's eye

      And for pete's sake please i think its about time people stop saying Sasuke has the potential to surpass madara, there is no comparison between the two

      Madara's powers weren't obtained through an "i met the sage" miracle, but were a product of his ingenuity

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    • could that become? this genjutsu is different than the others then it is based on the juubi's eye that mean that the one who has the same eye won't be controlled by this jutsu than why don't sasuke use his rinnegan and if naruto gave sasuke his chakra he'll get both rinnegans and he will have the power to awaken the third eye and will have power to fight madara or it's only juubi jinchuriki who can awaken this eye?

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    • I think of that moment when Sasuke and Naruto mix their new powers together. It's soon. It's soon.

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    • If they simply use the sage's power again to escape this "over-hyped" genjutsu, then the series will be an epic fail

      The whole series has been building upon this one genjutsu, so now ass-pull power ups can help escape this?

      If kishimoto hasn't completely lost it then he'll try to make things more interesting, maybe he'll do something similar to what Saiken06 said- people having to give up on their inner most desires to escape the genjutsu.

      Now that'll be a lot better to see than seeing sasuke and naruto's ass-pull powerups

      It'll be like years of planning on Madara's part and all his plans get foiled by asspulls

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    • The Winter King wrote: If they simply use the sage's power again to escape this "over-hyped" genjutsu, then the series will be an epic fail

      The whole series has been building upon this one genjutsu, so now ass-pull power ups can help escape this?

      If kishimoto hasn't completely lost it then he'll try to make things more interesting, maybe he'll do something similar to what Saiken06 said- people having to give up on their inner most desires to escape the genjutsu.

      Now that'll be a lot better to see than seeing sasuke and naruto's ass-pull powerups

      It'll be like years of planning on Madara's part and all his plans get foiled by asspulls

      there is actually a good way they could escape which would not be an ass pull. they foreshadowed it back in the Sasuke,Seigetsu, jugo, Karin vs Killer bee fight. and that is simply this. A Jinchuuriki who is friends with his Tailed beast is Immune to genjutsu. now the only way they can say nope that won't work is if some how the Infinite Tsukuyomi can penetrate inside a jinchuuriki and effect the tailed beasts.

      also another thing is that the caster has to be the jinchuuriki of the shinju to cast it, so it would be safe to assume that since Naruto has all 9 tailed beasts him him that it may very well not effect him. another thing that could happen is this

      when obito attempted the Limited Tsukuyomi he noted that anything can happen. and thats how Naruto and Sakura survived. Obito said that his limited Tsukuyomi was weaker than the IT but maybe its not maybe both have the same weaknesses. also hagoromo said that his mother used Infinite Tsukuyomi to control the world. he also said that her power corrupted her. so i have one question about that.

      If she used Infinite Tsukuyomi and it truly is as powerful as Madara,Obito and Hagoromo say, Then how did the world get out of the Infinite Tsukuyomi 10,000 years(do not remember where i read it but it said Hagoromo existed 10,000 years before the events of the show) ago when Kaguya cast it

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    • I was impressed with Sakura activating the Strength of a Hundred Technique, she has become more and more stronger, I cant wait to see what she does next

      I'm also sick and tired of people who still think Sakura is usless, she was trained by Tsunade and inherited all of her skills, does that mean that Tsunade is useless to?

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    • i think to escape from the infinite tsukuyomi you should reveal what do you want really like naruto want to end this war and save his friends, become hokage and this give him the power to escape and sasuke want to become hokage and show konoha the real face of the uchiha and do his brother's final hope and like that it's the heart like the limited tsukuyomi

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    • Actionmanrandell wrote:

      If she used Infinite Tsukuyomi and it truly is as powerful as Madara,Obito and Hagoromo say, Then how did the world get out of the Infinite Tsukuyomi 10,000 years(do not remember where i read it but it said Hagoromo existed 10,000 years before the events of the show) ago when Kaguya cast it.

      It could be that Kaguya herself released the genjutsu.

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    • Tigersarina wrote: I was impressed with Sakura activating the Strength of a Hundred Technique, she has become more and more stronger, I cant wait to see what she does next

      I'm also sick and tired of people who still think Sakura is usless, she was trained by Tsunade and inherited all of her skills, does that mean that Tsunade is useless to?

      Tsunade obviously wasn't useless as she was hunted down to become the Fifth Hokage and is the founder of the medical ninja system the shinobi world currently has.

      Sakura, on the other hand, is still useless.

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    • Hagoromo 1234 wrote: Actionmanrandell wrote:

      If she used Infinite Tsukuyomi and it truly is as powerful as Madara,Obito and Hagoromo say, Then how did the world get out of the Infinite Tsukuyomi 10,000 years(do not remember where i read it but it said Hagoromo existed 10,000 years before the events of the show) ago when Kaguya cast it.

      It could be that Kaguya herself released the genjutsu.

      I highly doubt she released it because Hagoromo said that she was corrupted by her power. why would she release it if she wanted to use it to control the world

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    • Ten Tailed Fox wrote:

      Tigersarina wrote: I was impressed with Sakura activating the Strength of a Hundred Technique, she has become more and more stronger, I cant wait to see what she does next

      I'm also sick and tired of people who still think Sakura is usless, she was trained by Tsunade and inherited all of her skills, does that mean that Tsunade is useless to?

      Tsunade obviously wasn't useless as she was hunted down to become the Fifth Hokage and is the founder of the medical ninja system the shinobi world currently has.

      Sakura, on the other hand, is still useless.


      she really is only useless as far as this battle. since no one can fight on madara's level accept for Naruto and Sasuke

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    • Actionmanrandell wrote:

      there is actually a good way they could escape which would not be an ass pull. they foreshadowed it back in the Sasuke,Seigetsu, jugo, Karin vs Killer bee fight. and that is simply this. A Jinchuuriki who is friends with his Tailed beast is Immune to genjutsu. now the only way they can say nope that won't work is if some how the Infinite Tsukuyomi can penetrate inside a jinchuuriki and effect the tailed beasts.

      also another thing is that the caster has to be the jinchuuriki of the shinju to cast it, so it would be safe to assume that since Naruto has all 9 tailed beasts him him that it may very well not effect him. another thing that could happen is this

      when obito attempted the Limited Tsukuyomi he noted that anything can happen. and thats how Naruto and Sakura survived. Obito said that his limited Tsukuyomi was weaker than the IT but maybe its not maybe both have the same weaknesses. also hagoromo said that his mother used Infinite Tsukuyomi to control the world. he also said that her power corrupted her. so i have one question about that.

      If she used Infinite Tsukuyomi and it truly is as powerful as Madara,Obito and Hagoromo say, Then how did the world get out of the Infinite Tsukuyomi 10,000 years(do not remember where i read it but it said Hagoromo existed 10,000 years before the events of the show) ago when Kaguya cast it

      Well first of all 9 tailed beasts and shinju are two different things, the shinju is gedo mazou(its body) with the beasts' chakra

      It would be interesting to see how they escape from it, but you are right, the jinchuriki concept is definitely not an asspull

      And my friend, don't talk about limited tsukoyomi, its not canon

      But i hope kishimoto does something creative to make everyone escape, cause i mean this is the single most over hyped genjutsu in the whole series

      Even kotoamatsukami despite its impressive feats didn't get this much hype

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    • Actionmanrandell wrote:

      she really is only useless as far as this battle. since no one can fight on madara's level accept for Naruto and Sasuke


      And eight gates Might Guy

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    • The Winter King wrote:

      Actionmanrandell wrote:

      there is actually a good way they could escape which would not be an ass pull. they foreshadowed it back in the Sasuke,Seigetsu, jugo, Karin vs Killer bee fight. and that is simply this. A Jinchuuriki who is friends with his Tailed beast is Immune to genjutsu. now the only way they can say nope that won't work is if some how the Infinite Tsukuyomi can penetrate inside a jinchuuriki and effect the tailed beasts.

      also another thing is that the caster has to be the jinchuuriki of the shinju to cast it, so it would be safe to assume that since Naruto has all 9 tailed beasts him him that it may very well not effect him. another thing that could happen is this

      when obito attempted the Limited Tsukuyomi he noted that anything can happen. and thats how Naruto and Sakura survived. Obito said that his limited Tsukuyomi was weaker than the IT but maybe its not maybe both have the same weaknesses. also hagoromo said that his mother used Infinite Tsukuyomi to control the world. he also said that her power corrupted her. so i have one question about that.

      If she used Infinite Tsukuyomi and it truly is as powerful as Madara,Obito and Hagoromo say, Then how did the world get out of the Infinite Tsukuyomi 10,000 years(do not remember where i read it but it said Hagoromo existed 10,000 years before the events of the show) ago when Kaguya cast it

      Well first of all 9 tailed beasts and shinju are two different things, the shinju is gedo mazou(its body) with the beasts' chakra

      It would be interesting to see how they escape from it, but you are right, the jinchuriki concept is definitely not an asspull

      And my friend, don't talk about limited tsukoyomi, its not canon

      But i hope kishimoto does something creative to make everyone escape, cause i mean this is the single most over hyped genjutsu in the whole series

      Even kotoamatsukami despite its impressive feats didn't get this much hype


      kishimoto once said in an interview that the movies are canon

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    • The Winter King wrote:

      Actionmanrandell wrote:

      she really is only useless as far as this battle. since no one can fight on madara's level accept for Naruto and Sasuke


      And eight gates Might Guy

      Not even 8 gates Guy would be able to fight Madara on his current level(since he absorbed the shinju into him)

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    • It should be mentioned that the dojutsu reflected on the moon had 4 tomoe in the outer ring.

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    • just found a plot hole kishimoto put in here. he said that Kaguya used Infinite Tsukuyomi on the world. My question is HOW everyone who has talked about IT says that Infine Tsukuyomi is cast by casting a Regular Tsukuyomi off the moon. well that makes no sense because Hagoromo created the moon. so my question is. when did did she cast it? Did she cast it after Hagoromo created the moon? If she did why did she do it? her sons had already defeated the shinju and there was already peace. and if she did cast it after he made the moon, did they defeat her and kill her. or did they seal her away like the shinju

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    • i believe she didnt use the moon to cast it.the moon only magnify the power and range of the infinite tsukuyomi.

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    • since sasuke already have d same eye as the third eye,he could actually stop the infinite tsukuyomi.what has me going is what was written at the end of the chapter.why is it naruto to stop the infinite tsukuyomi?.he counldn't dispel a regular genjustu.and dont tell me he will do it with the help of the sages power.bcos only genjustu can dispel genjustu.

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    • Uchiha oshoke wrote: since sasuke already have d same eye as the third eye,he could actually stop the infinite tsukuyomi.what has me going is what was written at the end of the chapter.why is it naruto to stop the infinite tsukuyomi?.he counldn't dispel a regular genjustu.and dont tell me he will do it with the help of the sages power.bcos only genjustu can dispel genjustu.

      Wrong genjutsu is not the only thing that can dispel a genjutsu. genjutsu release, biting, having someone else put chakra into you etc etc all can break a genjutsu(all Naruto would have to do is give everyone in the shinobi alliance a chakra cloak and have the tailed beasts release them) also that was old school Naruto who was as dumb as a box of rock. current Naruto is very intelligent. so intelligent he under stood the basic concept of how he created a new eye in kakashi with out ever being told how to do it and sasuke doesn't have the same eye as the third eye. they have a total different appearance. and the show is called naruto for a reason in the end Naruto will be the one to defeat madara

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    • I really hope everyone including naruto and sasuker get caught in it, everything in that has happened so far was leading to this one genjutsu. So it'd be a shame to see two brats not affected by it thanks to one of the biggest ass-pulls

      "Hey naruto and sasuke your my son's reincarnations, raise your hand and you can use Jesus no jutsu, and don't worry if anyone asks how are you able to use these powers just tell them the sage pulled it out of his ass and gave it to us"

      Ridiculous, i don't mind seeing the war arc being stretched but they should atleast try make things worthwhile

      Might Guy's beatdown was the best thing in the Return of Madara arc

      I just hope the Infinite Tsukoyomi can make things more interesting

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    • I think that madaras infinite tsukuyomi will work but then he will notice that its not what he truly wanted and deactivates it. its just a thought though.

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    • To be 100% honest, I don't like that Sasuke's Rinnegan was confirmed to be red in the coloured version of this chapter. I really wish it was purple, because now it doesn't really seem like a Rinnegan at all, just some other eye. This is one of the rare times when I wish that the anime would change it's color, because I am almost positive that Naruto's Tailed Beast Rasenshuriken will not be orange, and will most likely be blue. I wish they would make his Rinnegan purple, but it probably won't happen... :( What do you think about this?

      On that note, do you guys think there is still more to Sasuke's Rinnegan than what we have seen? There MUST be more, because if all his Rinnegan really is is just teleportation and the ability to see Madara's technique, than that will be extremely disappointing (though the Perfect Susanoo in this chapter somewhat made up for it). What do you think about this?

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    • As far as manga colours go, they have always made Rasenshuriken orange, this goes back all the way to the fight against Kakuzu. I'm also rather done with trying to understand Kishimoto regarding the eyes. We know have the same eye that has been called Sharingan and Rinnegan, and before anyone else chimes in with "all Rinnegan are Sharingan", that doesn't mean the opposite is true. The only way to fix this situation the way I see it is if in the volume release, the text Hagoromo says about his mother changes Sharingan to Rinnegan.

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    • Aw man, forget the ColorKage! The official coloring being released and everything... who knew Sasuke's Rinnegan would be red? I think that Naruto and Sasuke took Hagoromo's distinct powers (His "body," meaning Ten-Tails chakra; and his "eyes," the Rinnegan, respectively) and have taken it to the next level. Think about it, Hagoromo was never able (or at least, never seen) to individually use all nine-tailed beasts powers while they were all the Ten-Tails chakra within him, like Naruto has. And Sasuke, now that his Rinnegan is proven to be red, possesses the eye of the two beings more powerful than Hagoromo, which are Kaguya and the Shinju (before its fruit was taken). And, unlike Madara, Sasuke can use the EMS and Rinnegan simultaneously, instead of having to go through switching through the both of them.

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    • I'm fully aware that it has always been orange, and that only furthers my point. It's extremely unlikely that the anime would change the color of Sasuke's Rinnegan, but I can dream...

      @Windstar, who mentioned the ColorKage?! And besides, they are an extremely talented group and they deserve to get recognition!

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    • I have a question who is white zetsu??

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    • Danzosucksballs wrote: I have a question who is white zetsu??

      The white half of black zetsu.

      You do know you don't have to have special settings to use search right?

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    • KirinNOTKarin98 wrote: To be 100% honest, I don't like that Sasuke's Rinnegan was confirmed to be red in the coloured version of this chapter. I really wish it was purple, because now it doesn't really seem like a Rinnegan at all, just some other eye. This is one of the rare times when I wish that the anime would change it's color, because I am almost positive that Naruto's Tailed Beast Rasenshuriken will not be orange, and will most likely be blue. I wish they would make his Rinnegan purple, but it probably won't happen... :( What do you think about this?

      On that note, do you guys think there is still more to Sasuke's Rinnegan than what we have seen? There MUST be more, because if all his Rinnegan really is is just teleportation and the ability to see Madara's technique, than that will be extremely disappointing (though the Perfect Susanoo in this chapter somewhat made up for it). What do you think about this?

      If you look at sasukes Rinnegan it has Tamoe where in madara's purple Rinnegan has no Tamoe so its either more advanced then Madara's or because he only has 1 maybe its not in its completed form ie if he gets both eyes maybe they will become purple

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    • WindStar7125 wrote: Aw man, forget the ColorKage! The official coloring being released and everything... who knew Sasuke's Rinnegan would be red? I think that Naruto and Sasuke took Hagoromo's distinct powers (His "body," meaning Ten-Tails chakra; and his "eyes," the Rinnegan, respectively) and have taken it to the next level. Think about it, Hagoromo was never able (or at least, never seen) to individually use all nine-tailed beasts powers while they were all the Ten-Tails chakra within him, like Naruto has. And Sasuke, now that his Rinnegan is proven to be red, possesses the eye of the two beings more powerful than Hagoromo, which are Kaguya and the Shinju (before its fruit was taken). And, unlike Madara, Sasuke can use the EMS and Rinnegan simultaneously, instead of having to go through switching through the both of them.

      Wow, so naruto and sasuke gain a power that the sage himself couldn't obtain.

      I realize everyone is entitled to be stupid but you are abusing the privilege

      Firstly, they are using the sage's power so no they haven't surpassed him

      Secondly, the 9 tailed beast were formed by the sage himself on his death bed, so he never had any beast inside him except the Shinju and thus couldn't have used any of their individual abilities, Naruto on the other hand has the 9 beasts inside him as separate entities and thus is able to make use of their individual abilities

      As for the Sasuke part, the sage was the Shinju's host so its safe to assume that he had awakened the third eye, since the sage himself wrote on how to awaken the 3rd eye on the stone tablet- a method thats been used by madara in the previous chapter. So, sasuke's eye is either the shinju's eye or kaguya's.

      As for the "sasuke being able to use both eyes at once but madara not being able to same" part- unlike sasuke, Madara actually awakened the rinnegan using his own ingenuity, obtaining Hashirama's DNA, mastering his rival's powers and then awakening the rinnegan, but in Sasuke's case it was a " The Sage pulled it out of his ass" Miracle, so please i think its time people stop comparing the two

      My point is naruto and sasuke didn't "take" the sage's power and took it to the the "next level", but rather the powers they are showing right now are the powers of the six paths himself.

      Its bad enough they are using ass-pulls to fight with Madara dont make stuff worse by saying Sasuke and Naruto possess power that the six paths didn't possess (or didn't appear to possess)

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    • Actionmanrandell wrote:

      If you look at sasukes Rinnegan it has Tamoe where in madara's purple Rinnegan has no Tamoe so its either more advanced then Madara's or because he only has 1 maybe its not in its completed form ie if he gets both eyes maybe they will become purple

      Thats an interesting point, yes it is possible that his rinnegan might change if he gets both the eyes

      What really puzzles me is how the sage was able to pass on the Kaguya like eye to sasuke

      But it is plausible that sasuke's rinnegan is a devolved form of madara and the sage's eyes

      Or it could be that the sage passed on Kaguya's dojutsu to sasuke( i know its called sharingan, but i really doubt it was a simple sharingan)

      I am sure that kishi has planned to explain this new dojutsu that he has introduced, i just hope he does it soon

      P.S

      Who do you guys think will be the final villain of the series? i mean in the chapter where madara absorbed the holy tree we saw kaguya's eyes in a panel so its safe to assume that series is far from over

      Also, all these chapters have occurred in the same night right?

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    • To be fair, we don't know if this is how Kishi will colour it. The digital coloured comics aren't done by him, they're done by the same group that does the digital colour comics versions of other Jump. Typically they base their colourings of Kishimoto's own colour pages, but if those aren't available they have been known to draw upon the anime colours. In rare cases such as this, where they do one of the chapters early they probably just use whatever colours they feel is right. For all we know Kishi will give it the same colour as Madara and the Sage's Rinnegans.

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    • The Winter King wrote:

      WindStar7125 wrote: Aw man, forget the ColorKage! The official coloring being released and everything... who knew Sasuke's Rinnegan would be red? I think that Naruto and Sasuke took Hagoromo's distinct powers (His "body," meaning Ten-Tails chakra; and his "eyes," the Rinnegan, respectively) and have taken it to the next level. Think about it, Hagoromo was never able (or at least, never seen) to individually use all nine-tailed beasts powers while they were all the Ten-Tails chakra within him, like Naruto has. And Sasuke, now that his Rinnegan is proven to be red, possesses the eye of the two beings more powerful than Hagoromo, which are Kaguya and the Shinju (before its fruit was taken). And, unlike Madara, Sasuke can use the EMS and Rinnegan simultaneously, instead of having to go through switching through the both of them.

      Wow, so naruto and sasuke gain a power that the sage himself couldn't obtain.

      I realize everyone is entitled to be stupid but you are abusing the privilege

      Firstly, they are using the sage's power so no they haven't surpassed him

      Secondly, the 9 tailed beast were formed by the sage himself on his death bed, so he never had any beast inside him except the Shinju and thus couldn't have used any of their individual abilities, Naruto on the other hand has the 9 beasts inside him as separate entities and thus is able to make use of their individual abilities

      As for the Sasuke part, the sage was the Shinju's host so its safe to assume that he had awakened the third eye, since the sage himself wrote on how to awaken the 3rd eye on the stone tablet- a method thats been used by madara in the previous chapter. So, sasuke's eye is either the shinju's eye or kaguya's.

      As for the "sasuke being able to use both eyes at once but madara not being able to same" part- unlike sasuke, Madara actually awakened the rinnegan using his own ingenuity, obtaining Hashirama's DNA, mastering his rival's powers and then awakening the rinnegan, but in Sasuke's case it was a " The Sage pulled it out of his ass" Miracle, so please i think its time people stop comparing the two

      My point is naruto and sasuke didn't "take" the sage's power and took it to the the "next level", but rather the powers they are showing right now are the powers of the six paths himself.

      Its bad enough they are using ass-pulls to fight with Madara dont make stuff worse by saying Sasuke and Naruto possess power that the six paths didn't possess (or didn't appear to possess)

      not all of their power is the sages some of it is just theirs some of it is Indra and Ashura's and then some of it is the sages. so all in all they have the their own power combined with the power of Indra(SASUKE) and Ashura(Naruto) combined with the power the sage gave them. so in the end they have a little more then what the sage gave them

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    • Just dropping a bit more info about the All Color ver. (オールカラーver.): Shueisha published a digital version of Weekly Shonen Jump 2014 No. 25 that had full color chapters of Naruto, Haikyū!!, and Kuroko's Basketball. Unlike the last time they, Viz didn't publish the color version in the English edition.

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    • Is there a high quality version of it? The one at mangabird doesn't look so good...

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    • Also, calm down people. No need for name calling and the like.

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    • Seelentau wrote: Is there a high quality version of it? The one at mangabird doesn't look so good...

      If someone (BeyondRed?) is capable and wants to purchase the issue from Nico Nico Douga, eBook Japan, or BookLive!, I can help them extract HQ images. It's about $3 USD.

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    • I found the raws on imgur: http://imgur.com/a/Z1gNO

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    • Actionmanrandell wrote:

      not all of their power is the sages some of it is just theirs some of it is Indra and Ashura's and then some of it is the sages. so all in all they have the their own power combined with the power of Indra(SASUKE) and Ashura(Naruto) combined with the power the sage gave them. so in the end they have a little more then what the sage gave them

      You don't get it, i said that the powers they are showing now are not greater than the sage's own power, thats what i tried to say

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    • Indra and Ashura had the sages power so the power Naruto and Sasuke got were just the sages. But i agree that doesn't mean their powers are greater than the sages.

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    • Hagoromo 1234 wrote: Indra and Ashura had the sages power so the power Naruto and Sasuke got were just the sages. But i agree that doesn't mean their powers are greater than the sages.

      they each have the combination of half of the sages powers plus the power the sage gave them(the extra he gave them) with their own uchiha and uzumaki chakra. so they are each slightly more powerful then half of of the sages powers

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    • Anyone else notice that Madara’s discarded headband piece/horns landed on Tenten’s sealing scroll for the Sage's Tools?

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    • Uchiha Tajima wrote: Anyone else notice that Madara’s discarded headband piece/horns landed on Tenten’s sealing scroll for the Sage's Tools?

      Yeah. It looks like it's foreshadowing to how he'll be defeated.

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    • Actionmanrandell wrote:

      Hagoromo 1234 wrote: Indra and Ashura had the sages power so the power Naruto and Sasuke got were just the sages. But i agree that doesn't mean their powers are greater than the sages.

      they each have the combination of half of the sages powers plus the power the sage gave them(the extra he gave them) with their own uchiha and uzumaki chakra. so they are each slightly more powerful then half of of the sages powers

      Wouldn't you think that either way it's kind of subjective? Who knows what the Sage of Six Paths can really do aside from create the moon. Naruto is already throwing nukes everywhere; who's to say if Sasuke and he are either really stronger, or still weaker that the SoSP.

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    • Super Kurama wrote:

      Actionmanrandell wrote:

      Hagoromo 1234 wrote: Indra and Ashura had the sages power so the power Naruto and Sasuke got were just the sages. But i agree that doesn't mean their powers are greater than the sages.

      they each have the combination of half of the sages powers plus the power the sage gave them(the extra he gave them) with their own uchiha and uzumaki chakra. so they are each slightly more powerful then half of of the sages powers

      Wouldn't you think that either way it's kind of subjective? Who knows what the Sage of Six Paths can really do aside from create the moon. Naruto is already throwing nukes everywhere; who's to say if Sasuke and he are either really stronger, or still weaker that the SoSP.

      Definitely agree with Super Kurama. It also depends on how they utilize their powers.

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    • Artofcreation wrote: So here's an interesting idea. Madara's Infinite Tsukuyomi is successfully executed and the entire world falls under his genjutsu. Unable to escape, our beloved characters are trapped in an illusory world controlled by Madara. With the battle suddenly over and the alliance left powerless, our shinobi remain defeated and confused. What happens next is for one's imagination.

      This would be a neat way to extend the series. Naruto and his friends must now find a way to progress through the new world and find a way to defeat Madara. Just a thought.

      I had the exact same idea. It would be interesting to give the villain a big victory like this for a while. It also opens up a whole "new" world. People like Minato, Itachi, Rin, Kushina, and all the rest could be brought into the story and play bigger roles. It gives the heroes a huge problem to deal with and I think it would be interesting to see Madara's vision of the perfect shinobi world how they react to it. They would have to combat Madara throughout the dream world and find a way to break the jutsu. It would open up alot of new and interesting possibilities. ALso this chapter was pretty good and i enjoyed reading it.

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    • Wouldn't you think that either way it's kind of subjective? Who knows what the Sage of Six Paths can really do aside from create the moon. Naruto is already throwing nukes everywhere; who's to say if Sasuke and he are either really stronger, or still weaker that the SoSP.

      The sage with the assistance of his brother defeated the Ten-tails,

      He created ninshuu- the non weaponized form of ninjutsu,

      Not to mention he created the 9 tailed beasts from the shinju's chakra around which 70% of series has been circling around( the rest of the 20% goes to uchiha and 10% to other stuff)

      He actually pretty much awakened/gave naruto and sasuke's current powers and now you are doubting that he might be weaker than these two brats just because they are smashing through rocks?

      I agree with you the sage lacks the feats, but it will be stupid to go around saying that maybe the two brats are stronger than the Sage himself

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    • Super Kurama wrote:

      Actionmanrandell wrote:

      Hagoromo 1234 wrote: Indra and Ashura had the sages power so the power Naruto and Sasuke got were just the sages. But i agree that doesn't mean their powers are greater than the sages.

      they each have the combination of half of the sages powers plus the power the sage gave them(the extra he gave them) with their own uchiha and uzumaki chakra. so they are each slightly more powerful then half of of the sages powers

      Wouldn't you think that either way it's kind of subjective? Who knows what the Sage of Six Paths can really do aside from create the moon. Naruto is already throwing nukes everywhere; who's to say if Sasuke and he are either really stronger, or still weaker that the SoSP.

      Indra and Ashura each had half the sages powers so it would stand to reason that combined they are as powerful as him. but not to mention he gave them a bit of his own power so they are slightly more then just indra and ashura

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    • The Winter King wrote:

      Wouldn't you think that either way it's kind of subjective? Who knows what the Sage of Six Paths can really do aside from create the moon. Naruto is already throwing nukes everywhere; who's to say if Sasuke and he are either really stronger, or still weaker that the SoSP.

      The sage with the assistance of his brother defeated the Ten-tails,

      He created ninshuu- the non weaponized form of ninjutsu,

      Not to mention he created the 9 tailed beasts from the shinju's chakra around which 70% of series has been circling around( the rest of the 20% goes to uchiha and 10% to other stuff)

      He actually pretty much awakened/gave naruto and sasuke's current powers and now you are doubting that he might be weaker than these two brats just because they are smashing through rocks?

      I agree with you the sage lacks the feats, but it will be stupid to go around saying that maybe the two brats are stronger than the Sage himself

      These "brats" are the worlds last hope. Just because you invent something does not equate to you being the master of such invention. You could invent a car but you could have the most garbage of driving skills. Who is to say the SoSP could blow up mars, who is the say that all of that power was borrowed from the Ten Tails, who is to say that whatever he did was backed up by his brother's power? No one knows, and no one will know unless Kishi throws it in your face. And right now, my favor is leaning into these "brats" corner. Yes, I'm doubting that the sage, who created Ninshuu, could be weaker than these "brats." Why? Because ninshuu is something on the pacifistic lines. Naruto and Sasuke completely MASTERED a weaponized version of it. Who is to say that the sage possesses ZERO hands on combat experience with another human being, but has done nothing but throw energy beams at his enemies to say "Lol nope, maintain peace." Flip a coin and find out, because we have no clue how the sage even fought.

      But when it comes to Naruto and Sasuke, we know nearly their ins and outs. We know how hard they trained, and we can connect MOST of the dots. And these "brats" can definitely look at each of the hidden villages and wipe them right off the map. Hell, I'm going to put my money on them both and say that they're stronger than Madara and Hashirama when the two fought at the Valley (as they are now in the current chapters).

      So yes, I do believe that these brats, who are going to save the ninja world, to be stronger than the sage. They could completely remaster his powers into a weapon forged for peace or whatever the hell they want it to be. THAT is why I consider them stronger. When pass down something that you yourself weaponized, you're having faith that whomever you passed it on to can remaster it and dwarf whatever the hell you did.

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    • FYI, the sage didn't defeat anything. He had to seal the damn thing into his body. If he defeated it, it'd be dead, and no one would be bothered with it. So what did he have to do? Split it in ten different separate beings so it doesn't come back. As far as we know, you can't kill the Ten Tails.

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    • Super Kurama wrote: FYI, the sage didn't defeat anything. He had to seal the damn thing into his body. If he defeated it, it'd be dead, and no one would be bothered with it. So what did he have to do? Split it in ten different separate beings so it doesn't come back. As far as we know, you can't kill the Ten Tails.

      Defeat does not mean kill. There are wins and losses then there's victory and defeat.

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    • Questionaredude wrote:

      Super Kurama wrote: FYI, the sage didn't defeat anything. He had to seal the damn thing into his body. If he defeated it, it'd be dead, and no one would be bothered with it. So what did he have to do? Split it in ten different separate beings so it doesn't come back. As far as we know, you can't kill the Ten Tails.

      Defeat does not mean kill. There are wins and losses then there's victory and defeat.

      When it comes to the Shinju, can you really say that? It can't die, and it won't be held down for long. So you do the best you could. That's like saying, "You can win... but you'll have to keep your gut tucked in until you die... then you sorta lose."

      What I kind of mean to say is, he didn't have the power to pound the damn thing into dust and crush it into the wind.

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    • While the Uzumaki Clan does have remarkable healing powers, A Zetsu clone even said that while he might be a live for a little bit, he would eventually die. And while Kushina was able to live having Kurama extracted, Minato told her to spend as much time as she can with Naruto when he was born, possibly (keyword: POSSIBLY) hinting that she was eventually going to die. I personally believe the claim by Zetsu that all Jinchuriki, or however its spelled, die when having their Tailed Beast removed and that it is inevitable. I don't think it would be fair for anyone to live through that. And Sakura has been way useful SOME TIMES. She definitely has her useless moments, i'll give you that much. But she did keep Naruto alive longer. Remember that his heartbeat was weakening when Gaara was flying them to Minato. Sakura even noted that so he wasn't going to heal on his own. And she and Tsunade began healing the entire Shinobi Force together. While Sakura might not be as useful as most female characters, (example Hinata convincing Naruto not to believe Obito's words after Neji died or Ino heloing with Kinkaku and Ginkaku or Ten-Ten using one of the Treasures of the Six Paths to help fight Kukazu), she is useful in her own way. And she tries, we have to give her that much. But she is put up against impossible odds and has almost nothing that is unique to her.

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    • Super Kurama wrote: FYI, the sage didn't defeat anything. He had to seal the damn thing into his body. If he defeated it, it'd be dead, and no one would be bothered with it. So what did he have to do? Split it in ten different separate beings so it doesn't come back. As far as we know, you can't kill the Ten Tails.

      i am sorry to told you super kurama that no one can defeat the juubi because he can't die he isn't a living he's only chakra taking form of a monster and chakra can't be killed but sealed into a person :)

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    • Mounzer wrote:

      Super Kurama wrote: FYI, the sage didn't defeat anything. He had to seal the damn thing into his body. If he defeated it, it'd be dead, and no one would be bothered with it. So what did he have to do? Split it in ten different separate beings so it doesn't come back. As far as we know, you can't kill the Ten Tails.

      i am sorry to told you super kurama that no one can defeat the juubi because he can't die he isn't a living he's only chakra taking form of a monster and chakra can't be killed but sealed into a person :)

      actually anything that is sentient is alive.

      the gedo mazou is its body the tailed beasts them self were made from his chakra it is my theory that if Naruto were to rip out all the chakra of the tailed beasts and have it in his own body(both halfs of each beast) he would be able to completely destroy the Gado mazou

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