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  • Rachin123
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    00:12, January 23, 2016

    Ashura was equal to indra and naruto and sasuke are equal in those terms but naruto also possess tailed beast chakra and sage mode. Currently sasuke only has a single rinnegan which is by no means weak but doesn't seem to match narutos power

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    • Well Naruto has the senjutsu half of Hagoromo's chakra, a small amount of chakra from all 8 Tailed Beast (All of their abilities as well), the Yin half of Kurama and apparently some of the Yang half's chakra too, and Sage Mode.

      Sasuke has the other half of Hagoromo's chakra, the super Rinnegan/Sharinnegan/Shinju's eye or whatever you wanna call it, and all of the abilities that it grants him.

      So although they appear to be about equal, I say that Naruto is still stronger.

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    • Even Sasuke acknowledges Naruto is stronger, hence his getting angry everytime Naruto shows more of his power (When he first used TBM and Sage Mode together, or when he felt Naruto's power all the way from Konoha).

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    • Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4 wrote:

      Sasuke has the other half of Hagoromo's chakra, the super Rinnegan/Sharinnegan/Shinju's eye or whatever you wanna call it, and all of the abilities that it grants him.

      It is a Rinnegan that grants the user Sharingan's powers. Sasuke showed it in chapter 682, and Hagoromo stated that Kaguya had the powers of the Sharingan, yet she casted the IT. The original Shinju never had the Rinnegan, only the Ten-Tails.

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    • @Madaraisdead I agree with you, I was just saying that since many people call it different things.

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    • I would say Naruto is a little bit OP'ed IMO. I mean he has the all tailed beast power and the attributes that come with them like seals, water, lava etc and he can fly (Sasuke can't). Sasuke just has the one powerful eye =\. If you look at it like that regardless of what powers that eye might have, Naruto Wins. This is my opinion though. The coolest thing(s) I have seen Sasuke do is teleport( body flick) Manifest the Ultimate Susanoo, and well, the black chidori. Naurto has done overwhelming things compared to just those three things that Sasuke has done.

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    • AsuraŌtsutsukiii wrote: I would say Naruto is a little bit OP'ed IMO. I mean he has the all tailed beast power and the attributes that come with them like seals, water, lava etc and he can fly (Sasuke can't). Sasuke just has the one powerful eye =\. If you look at it like that regardless of what powers that eye might have, Naruto Wins. This is my opinion though. The coolest thing(s) I have seen Sasuke do is teleport( body flick) Manifest the Ultimate Susanoo, and well, the black chidori. Naurto has done overwhelming things compared to just those three things that Sasuke has done.

      Well Sasuke can fly too with his susanoo and Sasuke might have more abilities than we already know about. He probably has all of the basic Rinnegan abilities as well and considering he has Hashirama's cells he'll probably awaken Wood Release eventually. So I wouldn't count Sasuke out yet, but as of now Naruto is definitely stronger.

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    • No offense, but bullshit. Kishi has stated not once that he keeps both equal. When one of them becomes stronger than the other, it doesn't last long and the other catches up. And since I don't see any further power-up, they should be equal at the moment.

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    • was the hashirama cells sasuke got really hashirama or was it the zetsu goo

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    • Elveonora wrote: No offense, but bullshit. Kishi has stated not once that he keeps both equal. When one of them becomes stronger than the other, it doesn't last long and the other catches up. And since I don't see any further power-up, they should be equal at the moment.

      Tell me when he's ever said that. Ever.

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    • When exactly did Sasuke get Hashirama's cells?

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    • @Foxie, Kishi's interviews, the real ones of course.

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    • WindStar7125 wrote: When exactly did Sasuke get Hashirama's cells?

      Many speculate he did from Kabuto being intimate with him, but it's not confirmed. Also Hashirama gave Sasuke his chakra, but again, Hashirama is no longer Ashura incarnate. But Wood Release seems to be unrelated to Ashura, so it's possible Sasuke in fact got it either through Hash chakra or (still unconfirmed) cells, or both.

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    • For anyone wondering, here's the link where Kishi said Naruto and Sasuke progress as pairs.

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    • The Zeitgeist wrote: For anyone wondering, here's the link where Kishi said Naruto and Sasuke progress as pairs.

      He's talking about their story, there. You two are taking him out of context. He specifically says that when he writes about one, he's always thinking about the other, which makes sense, because everytime Naruto makes a significant plot development, the story shifts to Sasuke; case in point, Naruto mastered Kurama, then the scene switched to Sasuke reuniting with Itachi and fighting Kabuto. They have never progressed, power-wise, as a pair, and this interview certainly doesn't support that.

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    • Hey, we all know that Tobirama is Uchiha hater, in denial though. I know you are secretly their deepest fan, just let it out :P

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    • I'm a fan of Uchiha like Itachi and Obito... maybe Shisui. I'm iffy on him. My dislike for the Uchiha, however, does not come into play here. Sasuke has become visibly enraged at seeing just how powerful Naruto is, several times in just the past arc. He'd have no reason to become that upset unless he feared Naruto was stronger than himself.

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    • Elveonora wrote:

      WindStar7125 wrote: When exactly did Sasuke get Hashirama's cells?

      Many speculate he did from Kabuto being intimate with him, but it's not confirmed. Also Hashirama gave Sasuke his chakra, but again, Hashirama is no longer Ashura incarnate. But Wood Release seems to be unrelated to Ashura, so it's possible Sasuke in fact got it either through Hash chakra or (still unconfirmed) cells, or both.

      Exactly. It isn't confirmed that Sasuke received Hashirama's cells from Kabuto, or in fact, anywhere. I think Sasuke gained Asura's chakra when Naruto distributed it to everyone to save them from Obito's TBB attack.

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    • WindStar7125 wrote:

      Elveonora wrote:

      WindStar7125 wrote: When exactly did Sasuke get Hashirama's cells?

      Many speculate he did from Kabuto being intimate with him, but it's not confirmed. Also Hashirama gave Sasuke his chakra, but again, Hashirama is no longer Ashura incarnate. But Wood Release seems to be unrelated to Ashura, so it's possible Sasuke in fact got it either through Hash chakra or (still unconfirmed) cells, or both.

      Exactly. It isn't confirmed that Sasuke received Hashirama's cells from Kabuto, or in fact, anywhere. I think Sasuke gained Asura's chakra when Naruto distributed it to everyone to save them from Obito's TBB attack.

      It's the fact that Kabuto said he was able to save Sasuke's life with medical-ninjutsu and studies of Hashirama's cells with Tobirama's advice is what heavily implies that he gave Sasuke Hashirama's cells. Why mention them if they have no relevance in healing Sasuke at all? I've checked a few different manga sites, and although their translations are slightly different. They all say the same thing.

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    • Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4 wrote:

      WindStar7125 wrote:

      Elveonora wrote:

      WindStar7125 wrote: When exactly did Sasuke get Hashirama's cells?

      Many speculate he did from Kabuto being intimate with him, but it's not confirmed. Also Hashirama gave Sasuke his chakra, but again, Hashirama is no longer Ashura incarnate. But Wood Release seems to be unrelated to Ashura, so it's possible Sasuke in fact got it either through Hash chakra or (still unconfirmed) cells, or both.

      Exactly. It isn't confirmed that Sasuke received Hashirama's cells from Kabuto, or in fact, anywhere. I think Sasuke gained Asura's chakra when Naruto distributed it to everyone to save them from Obito's TBB attack.

      It's the fact that Kabuto said he was able to save Sasuke's life with medical-ninjutsu and studies of Hashirama's cells with Tobirama's advice is what heavily implies that he gave Sasuke Hashirama's cells. Why mention them if they have no relevance in healing Sasuke at all? I've checked a few different manga sites, and although their translations are slightly different. They all say the same thing.

      I know that Kabuto mentioned his studies of Hashirama's cells, but an implication, no matter how "heavy" it is, is not necessarily a confirmation. So back to what I was saying, I think Sasuke gained Asura's chakra from Naruto, what do you guys think?

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    • Was Sasuke actually ever given a chakra cloak from him? I don't recall so.

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    • I believe Naruto gave Sasuke some of his and Kurama's chakra for a brief period so that Minato could teleport everyone outside of Obito's barrier by using Kurama's chakra as a medium when he launched 4 TBBs at everyone. However, I don't think simply transferring your chakra to someone will make it permanently stay in them and allow Sasuke to awaken the Rinnegan. I think it has to be done genetically since cells can produce chakra too. Which is why although not confirmed, I believe Sasuke must possess Hashirama's cells in order to permanently have Asura's chakra merged with his and that would explain why Sasuke was able to see Hagoromo in his mind.

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    • I just don't see Sasuke coming out with the win in the final fight. My first indication of this is when Naruto made the lava shuriken in front of Madara when he(Naruto) dodged the very first "Limbo" attack. He instantly severed the tree and ended Madara quickly( not in shroud form either). My second indication is just when he destroyed all the rocks in the sky with like a ring of Kuruma's power(note that he said he hopes he doesn't hit Sasuke). I believe that Naruto doesn't just make clones anymore, with the yang chakra he makes actual copies of his self(my theory). He just to powerful for Sasuke to deal with in a final fight. Unless Kishi does something miraculous with Sasuke's eye(I just haven't seen enough. Sasuke is on a fools mission trying to become "The 6th Fire Shadow"

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    • Kabuto most definitely used Hashi's cells to repair/replace the damaged heart Sasuke had, Madara cut right through Sasuke's heart with his own sword.

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    • Sasuke indeed has Hashi DNA, which I think is part of the reason he was able to awaken the One-Eyed Rinnegan with Hagoromo's power.

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    • Sasuke is reasonable weaker than Naruto and at moment dumber(not using reverse summoning to get from desert shesh).

      For some reason people forget that Madara gained Rinnegan after combining Asura`s and Indra`s chakra and poping out Hagoromo`s, so why Sasuke who got that chakra directly from origin can`t achive this eye(Rinnegan)? Moreover he got Rinnegan on same side where Rikudo chakra was infused(left just as his hand), so why he even need Hashi(and if there were Hashirama cells then Sasuke had some of his body traits(vitality, chakra reserves and so) just like Madara no?)?

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    • Reverse-summoning wouldn't have worked. It would have brought him to "earth" not back to Kaguya's dimensions.

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    • well I would say that they are equal because naruto does not OP sasuke rinnegan have many abilities(though sasuke never use any of them except the teleport thing)like absorbing ninjutsu and remember madara use only one rinnegan to beat the tailed beasts soo I guess they are equal somehow?

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    • I don't get why people say Naruto is stronger. They are equal pretty much. I'm certain Sasuke's red Rinnegan can use basic Rinnegan abilities as well, otherwise there would be no reason for it to be labeled Rinnegan.

      Currently Naruto doesn't really have any advantage over Naruto in my opinion.

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    • Naruto and sasuke is now equal no body is stronger or weaker

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    • Elveonora wrote: Reverse-summoning wouldn't have worked. It would have brought him to "earth" not back to Kaguya's dimensions.

      Well it's anyway better than dying in desert. Then on "earth" he could ask Minato to summon toad and crawl in mouth and ask Naruto(via Rikudo yin-yang den-den mushi on hand - they had some special connection after all) to resummon him with it ))))

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    • Up until Sasuke got the Rinngean, Naruto could have beaten him into the ground the moment he had control of Kurama's chakra. Getting Tailed Beast Mode just made that worse. Mixing Tailed Beast Mode and Sage Mode and Sasuke would have been paste.

      I would still give Naruto a small lean due to having all the tailed beasts, but you cannot deny the broken that is the Rinnegan so it's anyone's guess at this point.

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    • TheUltimate3 wrote: Up until Sasuke got the Rinngean, Naruto could have beaten him into the ground the moment he had control of Kurama's chakra. Getting Tailed Beast Mode just made that worse. Mixing Tailed Beast Mode and Sage Mode and Sasuke would have been paste.

      I would still give Naruto a small lean due to having all the tailed beasts, but you cannot deny the broken that is the Rinnegan so it's anyone's guess at this point.

      Well Naruto(just SM with help of 9 tails) did beat up guy with 2 eyes like Sasuke have and he had much more chakra pool tho. To Susuke defense he can handle it better due his Indra bloodline and yet Nagato`s quantity beat Sasuke quality of usage(well i think).

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    • What Archangel489 said is true but it doesn't fully decide the battle between. It favors Naruto side to win between the two but I wouldn't count Sasuke out of that fight.

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    • I'm gonna say yes as of right now, since even Sasuke's Stabilized Final Susanoo was unable to touch Kaguya, which with the possible exception of the lengthily executed Kirin is his strongest technique right now, while Naruto with the help of Kokuo (one of Nine possible helpers) could smash Kaguya into a cliff. I'd also love to see Sasuke try and beat any of Naruto's new Rasenshuriken varieties.

      I mean, if Sasuke could use the other Rinnegan techniques I don't think that'd help either. Naruto beat Pain - who had (almost) full access to the Rinnegan techniques - without Kurama's assistance. He now has the assistance of all nine Tailed Beasts, along with the Truth-Seeking Balls, which even without Yin-Yang release and its ninjutsu-nullifying properties, are still really powerful.

      Trying not to be bias here, but I don't see a way for Sasuke to keep up. His teleportation is extremely deadly, but Naruto has better reactions than him even then (proven by Kaguya catching Sasuke with the portal, but not Naruto) which would allow him to stay safe, along with his extreme speed levels. All his other techniques are old and ineffective... but maybe once he displays the power of the Yin-release seal I'll be able to change my opinion.

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    • UGGGGGHHH. Why do people compare Naruto's effectiveness against Kaguya with effectiveness of Sasuke against her and take Naruto being better against her as "proof" that he is stronger than Sasuke? Orochimaru could beat Jiraiya, yet not Itachi, while Jiraiya could beat Itachi. All that means is that Naruto is a better match-up against Kaguya. I will say this again, Naruto doesn't have anything super effective against Sasuke, no advantage.

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    • @Elveonora: I'm just sayin', based on current information it APPEARS Naruto has an advantage. If Sasuke couldn't teleport to evade Kaguya's attack when Naruto could, it implies Naruto is more fit to deal with fast, unexpected attacks, which is the primary ability Sasuke's Rinnegan has CURRENTLY displayed. You have piqued my interest though, what does Sasuke have that's super effective against Naruto? I imagine a barrage of 'Six Path Sage Technique' armed clones, who have pretty good speed and likely strength, would put Sasuke in a bit of a pickle.

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    • Elveonora wrote: Orochimaru could beat Jiraiya, yet not Itachi, while Jiraiya could beat Itachi.

      Actually, if you want to get technical, Itachi flat out said in Part I that if both were to fight each other at full power, they'd kill each other. There would be no winner.

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    • Dunno, isn't perfect Susanoo's defense good enough to withstand an army of clones? Not only its defense is great, but a swing of its sword can cut a mountain. The only advantage Naruto has are Truth Seeking Balls (something only the original has though) but if Sakura could survive one, so can perfect susanoo.

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    • Ok then Naruto just casts Renzoku Bijūdama(each of balls has 20km coverage) and Susuke with his Rinnegan, Teleportation-Kawarimi, and perfect Susanoo goes to meet his clansmen.

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    • "uses Preta Path"

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    • Naruto can use Frog Kumite. Lota good Pain's Preta Path did against that. Lota good the Sharingan will do against attacks it can't see coming (invisible force of Frog Kumite).

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    • And still dies, becose: he can`t absorb them all another balls explode while he tries to do it first ones, turns into frog.

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    • Ok, so "uses Amaterasu"

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    • First, Naruto is faster than the Fourth Raikage (was proven in their little speed match), who effortlessly dodged Amaterasu.

      Secondly, are we roleplaying? Please tell me this thread hasn't devolved into that.

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    • Sasuke has the abilities to somewhat counter Naruto but Naruto has way more stamina and can endure more. I say Naruto, a tie if anything less.

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    • Ten Tailed Fox wrote: First, Naruto is faster than the Fourth Raikage (was proven in their little speed match), who effortlessly dodged Amaterasu.

      Secondly, are we roleplaying? Please tell me this thread hasn't devolved into that.

      "Withdraws Sasuke, switches out with.. damn, outta 'mons" Seriously, Sasuke can since switch things and teleport. He just has to switch himself with Amaterasu to catch Naruto in it.

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    • naruto beat pain without the help of kyuubi IN A WAY as naruto said he only got out on the planetary devastation because of the nine tails rampage and the multiple type rasenshurikens of naruto can be absorbed by the power of rinnegan even if it is still a senjutsu soo stop comparing them they are both equal they can counter each other if they're going to use all of their abilities

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    • What the kupo are you going on about Adrain?

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    • Amaterasu is no threat to Naruto anymore his reflexes and sensing abilities as well as his speed would easily allow him to dodge Amaterasu not to mention the Truth-seeking balls that allow him to nullify ninjutsu so out with Susanoo and Amaterasu and Kirin,fireball jutsu, Chidori. Basicly most of Sasuke's arsenal The tailed beasts can bust him out of genjutsu and they are just about equal in Taijutsu. Sasuke is the smartest but Naruto still has a huge advantage Naruto would win hands down

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    • Naruto's Truth Seeking Balls do not nullify ninjutsu.

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    • Then what did they do to Kaguya's ice?

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    • Nothing?

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    • They sort of carved small trenches in the ice but it wasn't working very well; they were moving super slowly.

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    • Exactly, the ice froze them, so they nullified shit. Also Naruto has Yang Release, no YYR. As I said million of times, TSB ain't YYR. It's whatever natures the user desires and knows how to use of course.

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      Elveonora wrote: Exactly, the ice froze them, so they nullified shit. Also Naruto has Yang Release, no YYR. As I said million of times, TSB ain't YYR. It's whatever natures the user desires and knows how to use of course.

      What are Gudodama then? Natural energy+tailed beast chakra+whatever nature the user has?
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    • Or you know, the truth seeking balls can't unmake normal ice....

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    • JOA20 wrote: What are Gudodama then? Natural energy+tailed beast chakra+whatever nature the user has?

      Pretty much.

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    • Adrian Jasper wrote: naruto beat pain without the help of kyuubi IN A WAY as naruto said he only got out on the planetary devastation because of the nine tails rampage and the multiple type rasenshurikens of naruto can be absorbed by the power of rinnegan even if it is still a senjutsu soo stop comparing them they are both equal they can counter each other if they're going to use all of their abilities

      Naruto alone didn't beat Pain. He had help.

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    • Elveonora wrote:

      JOA20 wrote: What are Gudodama then? Natural energy+tailed beast chakra+whatever nature the user has?

      Pretty much.

      You making things as you want.

      When asked about Minato`s hand Obito Replied that he has now power of shinobi ancestor(Rikudo) - what he meat was his Rikudo Sejutsu(becose when he was using black chakre before(in initial jubi jinchuuriki state) he did not had power of Rikudo Sejutsu what can be conformed just by looking on his back). So everyone who has Rikudo Sejutsu can use Gudoudama(and it will negate ninjutsu)

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    • It's you who is making things up. He had the stuff on his back in first from too. Rikudou Senjutsu alone has nothing to do with ninjutsu nullification, YYR does. Naruto only has Yang Release and yet uses Truth Seeking Balls, blowing all the retarded theories out of the water.

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    • Yes but the Truth seeking balls themselves are made of YYR thus they are capable of nullifying ninjutsu

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    • No, they aren't made of YYR.

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    • I prefer the look of madaras rinnegan over the third eye rinnegan. Anyway the truth seeking balls are just more advanced than kekkai tota. Obito used yin yang release to nullify ninjutsu

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    • Elveonora wrote: No, they aren't made of YYR.

      You yourself measured them to know what they made of? Ok then im done, think as you like.

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    • Ok i checked the page and it is capable of having YYR in them but that is with complete mastery wich Naruto has meaning he should be able to nullify ninjutsu even if they can't Naruto's advantage is clear as day. Naruto can also prevent Kirin since before Sasuke would be able to launch it Naruto could get close and attack him. Naruto still wins

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    • The article should be adjusted to point it the Balls have Yin-Yang Release if the user has Yin-Yang Release. They can also have Wind Release if the user so desires.

      But to be honest, Yin-Yang Release wouldn't tip the scale of battle in either of their favor, both of them have the potential means to avoid getting screwed by it.

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    • Rage gtx wrote: You yourself measured them to know what they made of? Ok then im done, think as you like.

      No, I just don't go full stupid over what's been said in the manga. It was said when Obito first used them that they are at least 4 natures, then he added YYR there. For some to me weird reason, people assume that just because Obito's were x or y then so must they be in case of all users. Naruto doesn't have YYR, that's a fact, since he runs around yelling how he has Yang power and whatnot and yet he uses them. Therefore they aren't YYR all the time. Another thing, Naruto threw his Truth Seeking Ball as Wind Release: Tailed Beast Ball Rasenhuriken, that alone is a confirmation to me that Naruto's Truth Seeking Balls are Wind Release and ?possibly? Yang Release, but nothing more than that.

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    • Elveonora wrote:

      Rage gtx wrote: You yourself measured them to know what they made of? Ok then im done, think as you like.

      No, I just don't go full stupid over what's been said in the manga. It was said when Obito first used them that they are at least 4 natures, then he added YYR there. For some to me weird reason, people assume that just because Obito's were x or y then so must they be in case of all users. Naruto doesn't have YYR, that's a fact, since he runs around yelling how he has Yang power and whatnot and yet he uses them. Therefore they aren't YYR all the time. Another thing, Naruto threw his Truth Seeking Ball as Wind Release: Tailed Beast Ball Rasenhuriken, that alone is a confirmation to me that Naruto's Truth Seeking Balls are Wind Release and ?possibly? Yang Release, but nothing more than that.

      Please don`t use insults).

      Yes Naruto in fact doen`t have YYR but that has nothing to do with TSB having YYR, for God sake he uses TBB same way(Positive Yang and Negative Yin chakras -Biju chakra consists of it). All Ninja in narutoverse(from fodders to likes Hashirama) uses genjutsus(wich according to Mizukage is Yin relise) on basis without knowing Yin relise and no one bats an eye, but when it comes to Naruto then everyone become too much subjective.

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    • It's in fact positive black and negative white chakras and they aren't yin and yang releases. Also just because most techniques besides elemental ones and taijutsu are either yin or yang release doesn't mean Naruto has YYR. Not only hasn't he shown any genjutsu, but also for all we know YYR may require a KKG or special skill.

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    • Naruto still wins in my book

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    • Currently, I would say no doubt. Hell, Naruto is 1v1-ing Kaguya at the moment, and has equaled and overcome the power of her techniques multiple times. But hell, he's the Jinchuriki of Kurama, and possesses small amounts of chakra from the other 8 Tailed Beasts, is an Uzumaki, a transmigrant Asura and has mastered Sage Mode, and is currently making use of all of those concurrently. If he hadn't outclassed Sasuke with all that, I'd think Kishi hated his own character! xD

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    • Just wait once Sasuke returns from the desert.

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    • Elveonora wrote: Just wait once Sasuke returns from the desert.

      Yes. Let's wait for him to return and watch as Naruto continues to remain in the spotlight.

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    • Yeah, let's wait for your delusion to end.

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    • Elveonora wrote: Just wait once Sasuke returns from the desert.

      Yeah, the chakra exhausted ninja who hasn't much contributed to the Kaguya pounding at all (though his teleportation tech is indeed cool).

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    • I don't think Sasuke lacks chakra i just think it was the heat. Anyway Naruto is still stronger. On their own they are just about equal in Taijutsu but add the Shadow clone jutsu to the fight and Sasuke is done for when it comes to Taijutsu i mean even KAGUYA was overwhelmed. As demonstated by Bee and Hachibi the Tailed beasts can bust their jinchuriki out of genjutsu and when it comes to Ninjutsu Naruto has a greater arsenal and would be able to dodge most of Sasuke's jutsu

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    • Unless he get's a powerup Sasuke loses

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    • There's really no need for a further power-up. We haven't seen everything his Rinnegan has to offer neither what his Yin power actually does.

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    • Does it really matter? Both of them are required to beat Kaguya. Does it matter who pulled the most weight when both are required to finish the task?

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    • The mere fact that the Rinnegan affords one the capacity to use certain techniques doesn't mean the wielder can in fact use them. Think about it: Obito didn't demonstrate the ability to use more than about 3 Rinnegan techniques (Soul Removal, Outer Path, etc.) even in situations where they would turn the tide (the Absorption Seal technique, Shinra Tensei, etc.), and Madara only used about the same number of techniques (Absorption Seal, Shattered Heaven and Limbo). Just having an eye doesn't mean you can automatically make use of all it's capabilities, you still have to master usage of those abilities (in this case, Nagato for the most part).

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    • TheUltimate3 wrote: Does it really matter? Both of them are required to beat Kaguya. Does it matter who pulled the most weight when both are required to finish the task?

      Ye, yes it does

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    • TheUltimate3 wrote: Does it really matter? Both of them are required to beat Kaguya. Does it matter who pulled the most weight when both are required to finish the task?

      No, not really. :)

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    • Skitts wrote:

      TheUltimate3 wrote: Does it really matter? Both of them are required to beat Kaguya. Does it matter who pulled the most weight when both are required to finish the task?

      No, not really. :)

      It all depends how you look at it. Technically they both were needed but some people wanna what that person did and by knowing they'd be able to calculate whether who gave the most work. But you can look at it like they both did their thing and that's that but that's not everyone. So you can't really say it doesn't matter in general but more so it doesn't matter to me.

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    • If all basic techniques use yang release then all shinobi have yang release

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    • Archangel489 wrote: If all basic techniques use yang release then all shinobi have yang release

      It's never been stated that all basic techniques use Yang Release.

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    • I remember it being stated somewhere

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    • The closest thing to that that I recall was that, in response to Naruto's question about what Nature genjutsu, Shadow Clones, Nara clan Shadow techniques, Body Expansion and Medical Jutsu were, Yamato told Kakashi not to bother getting into explaining Yin Release and Yang Release.

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    • You know, I'm just waiting for Sasuke to use the Six Paths Technique and/or Limbo or even something new. And I'm with Foxie, Elve and TU3. Hopefully, Sasuke will soon make you guys shut up about this comparison. Both are required to beat Kaguya. That is period and final.

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    • Considering the last arc of the story, per Kishi himself, is about Naruto dealing with Sasuke, we'll all get our answer soon enough. Their "final" battle had been building for quite sometime.

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    • WindStar7125 wrote: You know, I'm just waiting for Sasuke to use the Six Paths Technique and/or Limbo or even something new. And I'm with Foxie, Elve and TU3. Hopefully, Sasuke will soon make you guys shut up about this comparison. Both are required to beat Kaguya. That is period and final.

      Even if he did use them which I'm guessing with the combination he has been reduced with probably the not so good ones. It won't be impressive if that's what you mean cuz we've seen the techniques many times. And as for limbo I think that should only have been a technique for Madara. I hate that just because someone has the same eye or from the same clan that they assume they can do it too. So annoying. And I expected you to expect more of Sasuke. Look at your pic.

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    • Ten Tailed Fox wrote: Considering the last arc of the story, per Kishi himself, is about Naruto dealing with Sasuke, we'll all get our answer soon enough. Their "final" battle had been building for quite sometime.

      In all honesty I'm ready for it to end. Its been dragged on too long in my opinion.

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    • Finding Sasuke cool and finding him strong are entirely different.

      I like Sasuke's character overall. I have issues with him here and there, but he's alright in my books as he's very well developed. Power wise? I think its pretty obvious who's stronger and the people who deny that Naruto is stronger are the same type of people who tried to fight with the delusion that Vegeta was stronger than Goku despite Toriyama making it very clear who was the better (for the record Vegeta is my favorite anime character, so that's not coming from bias).

      Merely fanboys who want to side with Sasuke because of his way-overdone backstory. Seriously, if I see one more flashback to the Uchiha Massacre, I'll kill Sasuke myself.

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    • People really underestimate Sasuke. Its not like Naruto's Truth Seeking Balls would make a difference since they can both deflect them. Sasuke's perfect susanoo could definately handle however many clones naruto creates. And even if Sasuke can only keep Naruto under Tsukuyomi for even 1 second because of the tailed beasts, he could teleport to him and slash his neck and still have time to spare. Im not saying that this is how things would happen, but kishi always makes sure that they are about even. I bet most people choose naruto because his powers are more flashy than Sasuke's.

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    • Most people choose Naruto because he is, in fact, stronger. Sasuke has been shown, even as of the recent arc, multiple times in fact, to be visibly angered by how powerful Naruto is and has twice acknowledged Naruto's greater control over chakra than himself. Your argument is exactly what is wrong with the perspective. You look at their techniques and try to come up with lucrative fan fiction on how the battle would take place.

      What you fail to acknowledge, as if you haven't been watching this past arc, is that Naruto gains the advantage on his targets by being extremely unpredictable. Kaguya, a woman of few words, and one who is rarely surprised, was stunned motionless by Naruto's bizarre tactics, earning her a slug to the face. Naruto also pulled this on Sasuke when he burst from underneath the river in the Valley of the End with a legion of clones and literally beat the living hell out of Sasuke as a result.

      Or how about Madara? Naruto was on the verge of death and had, for all intents and purposes, lost. Then suddenly appears, kicks a Gudodama away, and then pulls a LAVA Rasenshuriken out of his ass, which resulted in Madara getting fried, and the Shinju being torn completely in two.

      Pain? Naruto used HIMSELF as a decoy, turning hundreds of clones into rocks, allowing him to force Pain to repel them, allowing himself a final shot at the villain with his Rasengan.

      Naruto's power doesn't lie in his strength, his chakra, or his tailed beats. It lies in his ability to completely pull these crazy ass maneuvers from out of his ass, to the point where even the most analytical of shinobi, such as Sasuke, cannot predict what he is going to do next. Hence his nickname as Konoha's Number One Most Unpredictable Ninja. Naruto is the walking definition of "flying by the seat of your pants". Unless Sasuke learns to think as much outside the box as Naruto, Naruto will always win, and I really don't care what power-ups he gains that would make anyone think otherwise. He's a lot like Goku, whom he was based on, in that manner. His sheer idiocy becomes an ironic brilliance in combat.

      That's just how it is.

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    • Ten Tailed Fox wrote: Most people choose Naruto because he is, in fact, stronger. Sasuke has been shown, even as of the recent arc, multiple times in fact, to be visibly angered by how powerful Naruto is and has twice acknowledged Naruto's greater control over chakra than himself. Your argument is exactly what is wrong with the perspective. You look at their techniques and try to come up with lucrative fan fiction on how the battle would take place.

      What you fail to acknowledge, as if you haven't been watching this past arc, is that Naruto gains the advantage on his targets by being extremely unpredictable. Kaguya, a woman of few words, and one who is rarely surprised, was stunned motionless by Naruto's bizarre tactics, earning her a slug to the face. Naruto also pulled this on Sasuke when he burst from underneath the river in the Valley of the End with a legion of clones and literally beat the living hell out of Sasuke as a result.

      Or how about Madara? Naruto was on the verge of death and had, for all intents and purposes, lost. Then suddenly appears, kicks a Gudodama away, and then pulls a LAVA Rasenshuriken out of his ass, which resulted in Madara getting fried, and the Shinju being torn completely in two.

      Pain? Naruto used HIMSELF as a decoy, turning hundreds of clones into rocks, allowing him to force Pain to repel them, allowing himself a final shot at the villain with his Rasengan.

      Naruto's power doesn't lie in his strength, his chakra, or his tailed beats. It lies in his ability to completely pull these crazy ass maneuvers from out of his ass, to the point where even the most analytical of shinobi, such as Sasuke, cannot predict what he is going to do next. Hence his nickname as Konoha's Number One Most Unpredictable Ninja. Naruto is the walking definition of "flying by the seat of your pants". Unless Sasuke learns to think as much outside the box as Naruto, Naruto will always win, and I really don't care what power-ups he gains that would make anyone think otherwise. He's a lot like Goku, whom he was based on, in that manner. His sheer idiocy becomes an ironic brilliance in combat.

      That's just how it is.

      That's if Naturopathic gets enough time to but in the show they always gotta talk and sit there then gives him enough time eventually to think of something. He thinks outside the box yes but if the characters do what they were designed and able to do he wouldn't be remarked so well even though some of his plans are stupid and the fact that they fall for is sad. I'll give you some plans he did but he's always gotten a good amount of time. He never thought on the spot. Sort of like Shikamaru. He's apparently and I say apparently very vaguely is the smartest if not one of the smartest ninja yet he takes a significant time to think or has prep time.

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    • That's because this manga has a plot. You people complaining about "talking" need to go read a picture book. Plot needs dialogue otherwise its not a story. You can't use that as an excuse for your favorite character's lack of vision.

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    • He did not need that much time to think of the reverse harem jutsu strategy

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    • well if there both needed to defeat someone who is basically god, there at least within a 10% power difference,

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    • Rachin123 wrote:

      WindStar7125 wrote: You know, I'm just waiting for Sasuke to use the Six Paths Technique and/or Limbo or even something new. And I'm with Foxie, Elve and TU3. Hopefully, Sasuke will soon make you guys shut up about this comparison. Both are required to beat Kaguya. That is period and final.

      Even if he did use them which I'm guessing with the combination he has been reduced with probably the not so good ones. It won't be impressive if that's what you mean cuz we've seen the techniques many times. And as for limbo I think that should only have been a technique for Madara. I hate that just because someone has the same eye or from the same clan that they assume they can do it too. So annoying. And I expected you to expect more of Sasuke. Look at your pic.

      Yeah I'm a Sasuke fan. Am I "annoying" for that? Is there a problem? I think he is a dynamic character. Who would have thought Naruto would get TSBs like Obito? Who would have thought Sasuke would get the Rinnegan like Madara? Why do you think people assume that members of a clan have the same or similar techniques? Cause it's happened numerous times before! I think Sasuke is a great contributor to this war. If you have a problem with me or my opinions, then tell me. I'm waiting.

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    • I agree with you buddy Sasuke is very dynamic and cool hell i liked him when he was super evil and killed Danzo because he was so cold and ruthless i mean the guy almost killed Karin just for getting taken hostage but i still liked him ultimately he is number 2 on my top ten favorite naruto character's list after Naruto

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    • But back to the discussion As far as we think Sasuke has not displayed the full power of his Rinnegan meaning there's still time for him to bust out some super crazy jutsu that even's the odds but right now Naruto seems to be the stronger one

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    • WindStar7125 wrote:

      Rachin123 wrote:

      WindStar7125 wrote: You know, I'm just waiting for Sasuke to use the Six Paths Technique and/or Limbo or even something new. And I'm with Foxie, Elve and TU3. Hopefully, Sasuke will soon make you guys shut up about this comparison. Both are required to beat Kaguya. That is period and final.

      Even if he did use them which I'm guessing with the combination he has been reduced with probably the not so good ones. It won't be impressive if that's what you mean cuz we've seen the techniques many times. And as for limbo I think that should only have been a technique for Madara. I hate that just because someone has the same eye or from the same clan that they assume they can do it too. So annoying. And I expected you to expect more of Sasuke. Look at your pic.

      Yeah I'm a Sasuke fan. Am I "annoying" for that? Is there a problem? I think he is a dynamic character. Who would have thought Naruto would get TSBs like Obito? Who would have thought Sasuke would get the Rinnegan like Madara? Why do you think people assume that members of a clan have the same or similar techniques? Cause it's happened numerous times before! I think Sasuke is a great contributor to this war. If you have a problem with me or my opinions, then tell me. I'm waiting.

      What you need to do is chill the heck out cuz I don't have a problem. And as far dynamic character goes for Sasuke, good for him I say sarcastically. As for Sasuke getting the rinnegan I just knew it'd be some dumb way to hype Sasuke up and with that gets the rinnegan. But we've already seen the power of the rinnegan so. Anyways if you want to take it to that degree then I suggest you stop here cuz it sounds like you want to fight. For what? Disagreeing with your opinion on a fiction character. Really? You need to chill. Anyway...

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    • Rachin123 wrote:

      WindStar7125 wrote:

      Rachin123 wrote:

      WindStar7125 wrote: You know, I'm just waiting for Sasuke to use the Six Paths Technique and/or Limbo or even something new. And I'm with Foxie, Elve and TU3. Hopefully, Sasuke will soon make you guys shut up about this comparison. Both are required to beat Kaguya. That is period and final.

      Even if he did use them which I'm guessing with the combination he has been reduced with probably the not so good ones. It won't be impressive if that's what you mean cuz we've seen the techniques many times. And as for limbo I think that should only have been a technique for Madara. I hate that just because someone has the same eye or from the same clan that they assume they can do it too. So annoying. And I expected you to expect more of Sasuke. Look at your pic.

      Yeah I'm a Sasuke fan. Am I "annoying" for that? Is there a problem? I think he is a dynamic character. Who would have thought Naruto would get TSBs like Obito? Who would have thought Sasuke would get the Rinnegan like Madara? Why do you think people assume that members of a clan have the same or similar techniques? Cause it's happened numerous times before! I think Sasuke is a great contributor to this war. If you have a problem with me or my opinions, then tell me. I'm waiting.

      What you need to do is chill the heck out cuz I don't have a problem. And as far dynamic character goes for Sasuke, good for him I say sarcastically. As for Sasuke getting the rinnegan I just knew it'd be some dumb way to hype Sasuke up and with that gets the rinnegan. But we've already seen the power of the rinnegan so. Anyways if you want to take it to that degree then I suggest you stop here cuz it sounds like you want to fight. For what? Disagreeing with your opinion on a fiction character. Really? You need to chill. Anyway...

      This isn't the first time I've butt heads with you. Try to make it the last time, and then I'll "chill."

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    • WindStar7125 wrote:

      Rachin123 wrote:

      WindStar7125 wrote:

      Rachin123 wrote:

      WindStar7125 wrote: You know, I'm just waiting for Sasuke to use the Six Paths Technique and/or Limbo or even something new. And I'm with Foxie, Elve and TU3. Hopefully, Sasuke will soon make you guys shut up about this comparison. Both are required to beat Kaguya. That is period and final.

      Even if he did use them which I'm guessing with the combination he has been reduced with probably the not so good ones. It won't be impressive if that's what you mean cuz we've seen the techniques many times. And as for limbo I think that should only have been a technique for Madara. I hate that just because someone has the same eye or from the same clan that they assume they can do it too. So annoying. And I expected you to expect more of Sasuke. Look at your pic.

      Yeah I'm a Sasuke fan. Am I "annoying" for that? Is there a problem? I think he is a dynamic character. Who would have thought Naruto would get TSBs like Obito? Who would have thought Sasuke would get the Rinnegan like Madara? Why do you think people assume that members of a clan have the same or similar techniques? Cause it's happened numerous times before! I think Sasuke is a great contributor to this war. If you have a problem with me or my opinions, then tell me. I'm waiting.

      What you need to do is chill the heck out cuz I don't have a problem. And as far dynamic character goes for Sasuke, good for him I say sarcastically. As for Sasuke getting the rinnegan I just knew it'd be some dumb way to hype Sasuke up and with that gets the rinnegan. But we've already seen the power of the rinnegan so. Anyways if you want to take it to that degree then I suggest you stop here cuz it sounds like you want to fight. For what? Disagreeing with your opinion on a fiction character. Really? You need to chill. Anyway...

      This isn't the first time I've butt heads with you. Try to make it the last time, and then I'll "chill."

      Look yes we butt heads but you sounded as if you really wanted to meet face to face to fight. And I said its never that serious. It wasn't chill meaning you shouldn't keep commented just as such it shouldn't have to go that far.

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    • Guys stop fighting wiki's are supposed to be friendly space

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    • By the way i'm going on vacation so i won't answer for a while

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    • Regardless, I just can't wait until Sasuke joins Naruto in this fight. No disrespect to Naruto, but as we all know, he's not a strategist like Sasuke. I still can't get over that harem boy jutsu or whatever... that chapter just wasted my time personally...

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    • WindStar7125 wrote: Regardless, I just can't wait until Sasuke joins Naruto in this fight. No disrespect to Naruto, but as we all know, he's not a strategist like Sasuke. I still can't get over that harem boy jutsu or whatever... that chapter just wasted my time personally...

      That I can agree with. That technique of Naruto's was down right sad. That's your epic jutsu. There's a time for action and a time for comedy. Sometimes both combined but that wasn't cool.

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    • I wish naruto had more jutsu than rasengan and upgraded versions of it

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    • To answer the overall question, is Naruto technically stronger than Sasuke? At the moment, yes. I'm a realist. I give credit where credit is due, regardless of my profile pic. I'm not a Sasuke dick-rider, but I will defend him and anyone else in the Naruto manga if their opinion of them seems a little out of hand. We haven't seen the full power of either Naruto or Sasuke yet, so it is a little premature to try and determine who is.

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    • The Reverse Harem was the best thing I've seen from the manga since the army pulled the tailed beasts out of Obito. The fact that Sasuke went along with it with minimal resistance sold it :D

      But seriously I am curious how Sasuke's presense will tip the scales. So far it looked like Naruto was "the muscle" used to beat Kaguya down to set up openings for Sasuke.

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    • TheUltimate3 wrote: The Reverse Harem was the best thing I've seen from the manga since the army pulled the tailed beasts out of Obito. The fact that Sasuke went along with it with minimal resistance sold it :D

      But seriously I am curious how Sasuke's presense will tip the scales. So far it looked like Naruto was "the muscle" used to beat Kaguya down to set up openings for Sasuke.

      You're right about Naruto being the "brawn" to Sasuke's "brains." The Reverse Harem, however...

      ...respect your opinion tho.

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    • Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4 wrote: Well Naruto has the senjutsu half of Hagoromo's chakra, a small amount of chakra from all 8 Tailed Beast (All of their abilities as well), the Yin half of Kurama and apparently some of the Yang half's chakra too, and Sage Mode.

      Sasuke has the other half of Hagoromo's chakra, the super Rinnegan/Sharinnegan/Shinju's eye or whatever you wanna call it, and all of the abilities that it grants him.

      So although they appear to be about equal, I say that Naruto is still stronger.

      it doesn't really matter how much of each beast he has because it has been said many times that all you need is a fragment, eventually the entire beast will form. so he has them all in him but he has more than just a fragment when he met all of the beasts they gave him half there chakra

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    • The sauce really needs to step his game up because naruto ripped off kaguyas arm like (snaps finger) that

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    • I think both of them are equal as naruto is really strong in terms of power.But still he needed sasuke's help to get out of infinite tsukoyomi,he can't break ultimate susanoo or dodge amaterasu (now enhanced with his rinnegan.)

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    • Draco009 wrote: I think both of them are equal as naruto is really strong in terms of power.But still he needed sasuke's help to get out of infinite tsukoyomi,he can't break ultimate susanoo or dodge amaterasu (now enhanced with his rinnegan.)

      Well I wouldn't say that Naruto can't dodge amaterasu even with Sasuke's enhancement. Going by how Naruto is made he's faster than the Fourth Raikage who dodges amaterasu and it was Naruto in his first initial transformation so being that how they make it out Naruto got faster in his other enhancement so I wouldn't go to say he'd get hit. Its a possibility and even if he did amaterasu wouldn't kill him instinctly. I'm sure he'd endure it. Honestly they both are strong in their own perspective ways. They need one another in this battle point blank.

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    • In a one on one fight, it is pretty much confirmed that either both of them will live, or naruto will live, therefore him winning.. as the new movie is supposed to be canon I believe.

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    • Draco009 wrote: I think both of them are equal as naruto is really strong in terms of power.But still he needed sasuke's help to get out of infinite tsukoyomi,he can't break ultimate susanoo or dodge amaterasu (now enhanced with his rinnegan.)

      Naruto could most definitely dodge it and most definitely could break Perfect susanoo of Tsunade can break a susanoo then Naruto could obliterate one. and on top of that Naruto has the truth seeking balls which negate all chakra

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    • Actionmanrandell wrote:

      Draco009 wrote: I think both of them are equal as naruto is really strong in terms of power.But still he needed sasuke's help to get out of infinite tsukoyomi,he can't break ultimate susanoo or dodge amaterasu (now enhanced with his rinnegan.)

      Naruto could most definitely dodge it and most definitely could break Perfect susanoo of Tsunade can break a susanoo then Naruto could obliterate one. and on top of that Naruto has the truth seeking balls which negate all chakra

      They negate ninjutsu. Not "all chakra." Naruto hasn't yet mastered the Yin-Yang properties that created ninjutsu and negate ninjutsu, so no, his TSBs cannot negate ninjutsu just yet.

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    • Draco009 wrote: They negate ninjutsu. Not "all chakra." Naruto hasn't yet mastered the Yin-Yang properties that created ninjutsu and negate ninjutsu, so no, his TSBs cannot negate ninjutsu just yet.

      B.S he has mastered the use of them thats a fact. and they negate all chakra the only thing they do not negate is Natural energy. something that Sasuke doesn't have. the truth seeking balls do not require conscious control over them to negate Chakra. they only require concentration when you are using them in different manners like the sword of nanoboku or forming a giant armor etc etc

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    • Actionmanrandell wrote: Draco009 wrote:

      They negate ninjutsu. Not "all chakra." Naruto hasn't yet mastered the Yin-Yang properties that created ninjutsu and negate ninjutsu, so no, his TSBs cannot negate ninjutsu just yet.

      B.S he has mastered the use of them thats a fact. and they negate all chakra the only thing they do not negate is Natural energy. something that Sasuke doesn't have. the truth seeking balls do not require conscious control over them to negate Chakra. they only require concentration when you are using them in different manners like the sword of nanoboku or forming a giant armor etc etc

      Good Lord, how do you read the manga? It was stated that when the Yin-Yang properties are applied to the TSBs, they negate ninjutsu. Not "all chakra." There wouldn't be a much of a fight if the TSBs negated chakra. Are you really arguing with what the manga stated? Geez. And please, for crying out loud, stop saying "that's a fact." The majority of the time you say "That's a fact," you're dead wrong. Allow me to use the manga: The TSBs do require conscious control and concentration to negate ninjutsu. When Obito initially transformed, he damaged Hiruzen and Tobirama, and they recovered. When he damaged Minato, the 4th couldn't regenerate because Obito had gained control in his second transformation. Plus, as of right now, Naruto does not have Yin chakra, so how could he negate ninjutsu when doing so requires Yin-Yang power? Seriously, re-read the manga and get your facts straight before using the phrase "that's a fact."

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    • Ninjutsu is made up of chakra and that is what the balls negate not the ninjutsu itself but the chakra the only thing that can harm or break the truth seeking balls is senjutsu the specifically showed this when madara used senjutsu to break them when Naruto and him were fighting also the balls are made up of Yin Yang chakra they specifically say that in the translation i have. and more so over Naruto does have Yin Yang Release for all non elemental ninjutsu are made up of Yin Yang Release. Yin and Yang represent spiritual(Yin) and physical(Yang) for a ninja to mold chakra they have to employ the use of Yin Yang as they must mold the Yin and Yang together to create chakra According to Yamato, the manipulation of Yin and Yang is the source of non-elemental techniques such as the Shadow Imitation Technique, Multi-Size Technique, medical ninjutsu, genjutsu, etc. so being that Naruto is an expert in Shadow clones he in fact is an Expert in Yin Yang. also i will say this again the TRUTH SEEKING BALLS ARE MADE UP OF YIN YANG RELEASE. that is how the 10 tails Jinchuuiki creates the TSB is by molding Yin and Yang togeth

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    • Naruto doesn't have Yin-Yang release, therefore his TSB don't negate shit. EDIT: you can't be more wrong this time

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    • Sasuke will probably figure out the Six Paths Technique, for those who don't know that just recall the powers the Paths of Pain that Nagato had. Almighty Push etc.

      They are all a jutsu they have to be learnt, I'd say in the next few chapters he'll be right as rain. Combine that with his EMS and all it's powers. Plus all his summons and other jutsu.

      You end up with something I'd say pretty close to Naruto. All Naruto's jutsu are the same anyway, just variations on the Rasengan anyway if you think about it.

      Like I said once Sasuke awakens all the Rinnegan powers he should be on the same level as Naruto. In my opinion.

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    • Yeah. At the moment, I admit that Naruto is stronger, but only because Sasuke is yet to show all his doujutsu hax. Also I don't want to start this "gifted powers" argument, but I'm gonna do so anyway... in my opinion, Naruto Tailed Beasts' powers aren't truly Naruto's. Of course one could argue that EMS isn't Sasuke's either. But when we take out all their gifted powers, MS Sasuke is much stronger than Sage Mode (Kurama-less) Naruto imo, like totally.

      Naruto is just a lucky brat who was lent more power than his low intelligence can make good use of.

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    • Actionmanrandell wrote: Ninjutsu is made up of chakra and that is what the balls negate not the ninjutsu itself but the chakra the only thing that can harm or break the truth seeking balls is senjutsu the specifically showed this when madara used senjutsu to break them when Naruto and him were fighting also the balls are made up of Yin Yang chakra they specifically say that in the translation i have. and more so over Naruto does have Yin Yang Release for all non elemental ninjutsu are made up of Yin Yang Release. Yin and Yang represent spiritual(Yin) and physical(Yang) for a ninja to mold chakra they have to employ the use of Yin Yang as they must mold the Yin and Yang together to create chakra According to Yamato, the manipulation of Yin and Yang is the source of non-elemental techniques such as the Shadow Imitation Technique, Multi-Size Technique, medical ninjutsu, genjutsu, etc. so being that Naruto is an expert in Shadow clones he in fact is an Expert in Yin Yang. also i will say this again the TRUTH SEEKING BALLS ARE MADE UP OF YIN YANG RELEASE. that is how the 10 tails Jinchuuiki creates the TSB is by molding Yin and Yang togeth

      So? If the TSBs could negate "all chakra," senjutsu chakra would fall under that. Which is CLEARLY wrong and contradicts the manga. Go look up both the "Ninjutsu" and "chakra" articles on this wiki, and differentiate the two. Yin-Yang release doesn't come to the TSBs by default. That would mean Naruto has Yin chakra, and wouldn't need Sasuke. @Actionman, Obito didn't have Yin-Yang release from the get-go, and if so, how could Hiruzen and Tobirama regenerate, and Minato couldn't? @Elveo is right. You truly can't be more wrong this time. Go read the articles and the manga and stop embarrassing yourself.

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    • For some reason, people wrongly assume that Naruto's TSB are YYR and that Kaguya doesn't have Senjutsu. If both were true, then Naruto would be able to negate all her attacks, yet he can't. So logical conclusions:

      • the reason why his supposed YYR can't negate her attacks is because she uses Senjutsu
      • he doesn't have YYR

      Your pick.

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    • Naruto has shown way more up-grades than Sasuke since receiving the power of Hagoromo. He has access to all the Bijuu's powers, limitless flight without jutsu assistance, can outperform the greatest healers to the point of regrowing long lost body parts and use of Truth-Seaking Balls.

      Sasuke has shown similar powers, but most of them are technicalities that are only useful in specific situations. Immunity against Infinite Tsukyomi, the ability to see Limbo clones. The only new constants he has are his new Rinnegan space-time jutsu and his flying Susanoo. So far, Naruto has been shown to be more powerful in my book, at least until Sasuke shows something more.

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    • Well Naruto showed tons of his abilities. I don't think he has anything more to show. Sasuke has to recharge his rinnegan every time he has to teleport. I'm not sure if Kishi is picking favorites but I think Sasuke will get his chance

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    • it wouldnt make sense if sasukes rinnegan has only one ability that isnt even the best space time technique even though it is a lot more useful in a situation like now where sasuke can swap places and come close to kaguya to seal her. narutos ability comes from the power to breath life into something because of his yang seal i guess. so sasuke should be able to create something out of nothing in some way. he hasnt shown much abilities sadly for now !

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    • Right? His only technique is teleportation which isn't even to a great distance and needs recharging. Naruto is already the fastest guy in the series. So that's kinda unfair by itself. I really really really want to see Sasuke use wood release and more eye abilities

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    • Sasuke has even acknowledged Naruto as being stronger than him. Kishimoto never said he wanted to keep the two equal in strength. However, every time one of them, whether it's Naruto or Sasuke, surpasses the other, the weaker one will try to surpass the stronger one again.

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    • Elveonora wrote: Naruto doesn't have Yin-Yang release, therefore his TSB don't negate shit. EDIT: you can't be more wrong this time

      i am sorry BUT YOU ARE WRONG

      yin yang release is a thing that all ninja have. Yin Yang release is used when making shadow clones. and any non elemental ninjutsu. its something every ninja knows aside from people like Lee

      more over they are made specifically of Yin Yang it wouldn't even matter if he had never used Yin Yang release because the balls themselves are made up of Yin Yang

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    • Elveonora wrote: Yeah. At the moment, I admit that Naruto is stronger, but only because Sasuke is yet to show all his doujutsu hax. Also I don't want to start this "gifted powers" argument, but I'm gonna do so anyway... in my opinion, Naruto Tailed Beasts' powers aren't truly Naruto's. Of course one could argue that EMS isn't Sasuke's either. But when we take out all their gifted powers, MS Sasuke is much stronger than Sage Mode (Kurama-less) Naruto imo, like totally.

      Naruto is just a lucky brat who was lent more power than his low intelligence can make good use of.

      another thing you got wrong. it takes skill to use the tailed beast chakra. not just anyone could use said powers. it takes someone who already has OP chakra to control the tailed beast chakra. thats why the uzumaki are well suited to be jinchuuriki. more over his tailed beast mode he has right now is in fact his own power its something he learned how to do. also i am sorry but MS is nothing compared to sage mode. Naruto sage mode is stronger than Jiraiya according to Nagato if Jiraiya had known the secrets of the six paths he would have defeated Nagato. MS sasuke was great but not good enough to over power sage mode Naruto. when Naruto and sasuke went up against each other after sasuke had the EMS and after he killed Danzo they were on equal terms and that was only because sasuke had EMS

      also i would like to point out that Naruto is not actually stupid. he has shown on many occasions that he is smarter than almost everyone on the show including Shikamaru he may not be book smart but he sure as hell is street smart. and he may not be able to figure out and plot something 100 moves a head but he can instantaneously figure out a persons weakness which is something not even shikamaru can do

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    • i am not embarrassing myself because i am 100% correct. its a fact that the Truth seeking balls are made up of Yin Yang Release. thats a fact. they still need skill to use them to negate higher level ninjutsu and still require skill and concentration to negate the edo tensei

      and senjutsu is not normal chakra. its chakra that has natural energy added to it. with the introduction of natural energy it no longer becomes chakra but senjutsu it has different properties then chakra. and like i said Yin Yang release is a technique ALL NINJUA HAVE you can believe otherwise but that doesn't change the fact that all ninja can use Yin Yang release being that all non elemental ninjutsu are made up of Yin Yang Release thats a fact

      all Kekkai genkai kekkai tota and beyond are Yin Yang release. and according to Hiruzen the truth seeking balls are beyond even Kekkai Genkai and Kekkai tota

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    • Look Naruto is faster it has been clearly proven Sasuke teleported to attack Kaguya and she dodged it Naruto used pure speed and he was able to rip her freaking arm of.

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    • Elveonora wrote: For some reason, people wrongly assume that Naruto's TSB are YYR and that Kaguya doesn't have Senjutsu. If both were true, then Naruto would be able to negate all her attacks, yet he can't. So logical conclusions:

      • the reason why his supposed YYR can't negate her attacks is because she uses Senjutsu
      • he doesn't have YYR

      Your pick.

      No one wrongly assumes anything its a fact that the truth seeking balls are Yin Yang release. you keep denying the facts. the manga in literal terms says that the truth seeking balls are made of Yin Yang release. with that being said just because something is made of Yin Yang release doesn't mean they can instantaneously be used to negate all ninjutsu high level techniques require concentration. when obito lost control of the balls they still negated chakra and Naruto used them to negate all of madara's normal ninjutsu madara had to use sage mode to break the truth seeking rod Naruto was using before that they completely obliterated all of his ninjutsu

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    • Actionmanrandell wrote:

      all Kekkai genkai kekkai tota and beyond are Yin Yang release. and according to Hiruzen the truth seeking balls are beyond even Kekkai Genkai and Kekkai tota

      What?? stop adding line to Hiruzen's panels, he didn't say such a thing.

      Hiruzen observed Obito and said that he is using a jutsu combining at least 4 elements. AFTER Obito took control of the Ten-Tails and started to think normally, Tobirama noted that Obito started to use YYR to negate all Ninjutsu (and he can because Madara taught him to use YYR).

      And you are missing something here, not every Ninja has YYR. These non-elemental jutsus were said to be related to Yin Release and Yang Release not YYR.

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    • Actionmanrandell wrote:

      Elveonora wrote: Yeah. At the moment, I admit that Naruto is stronger, but only because Sasuke is yet to show all his doujutsu hax. Also I don't want to start this "gifted powers" argument, but I'm gonna do so anyway... in my opinion, Naruto Tailed Beasts' powers aren't truly Naruto's. Of course one could argue that EMS isn't Sasuke's either. But when we take out all their gifted powers, MS Sasuke is much stronger than Sage Mode (Kurama-less) Naruto imo, like totally.

      Naruto is just a lucky brat who was lent more power than his low intelligence can make good use of.

      another thing you got wrong. it takes skill to use the tailed beast chakra. not just anyone could use said powers. it takes someone who already has OP chakra to control the tailed beast chakra. thats why the uzumaki are well suited to be jinchuuriki. more over his tailed beast mode he has right now is in fact his own power its something he learned how to do. also i am sorry but MS is nothing compared to sage mode. Naruto sage mode is stronger than Jiraiya according to Nagato if Jiraiya had known the secrets of the six paths he would have defeated Nagato. MS sasuke was great but not good enough to over power sage mode Naruto. when Naruto and sasuke went up against each other after sasuke had the EMS and after he killed Danzo they were on equal terms and that was only because sasuke had EMS

      also i would like to point out that Naruto is not actually stupid. he has shown on many occasions that he is smarter than almost everyone on the show including Shikamaru he may not be book smart but he sure as hell is street smart. and he may not be able to figure out and plot something 100 moves a head but he can instantaneously figure out a persons weakness which is something not even shikamaru can do

      Naruto said after he met Sasuke in the Land of Iron, Naruto knew he couldn't battle Sasuke at that time because he would lose. And he kept his ground after he fought Danzo and Kakashi and was still able to take on Naruto. And in the war, while Naruto was busy crying, Sasuke attacked the God Tree which got Naruto ready to fight again. Naruto is a great analyzer, but he's not as quick thinking as Sasuke. And Naruto would have been defeated if it weren't for Kurama and his Dad. Nagato would have given him a run for his money. MS Sasuke and Sage Naruto are equal. EMS Sasuke and Naruto in biju mode is equal. No more no less. And I don't think its proper to say that Naruto is better then finding out weaknesses then Shikamaru. I bet if Naruto was to fight hidan then he would never figure it out. Naruto just gets lucky.

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    • MERCURIOUS wrote:

      Actionmanrandell wrote:

      all Kekkai genkai kekkai tota and beyond are Yin Yang release. and according to Hiruzen the truth seeking balls are beyond even Kekkai Genkai and Kekkai tota

      What?? stop adding line to Hiruzen's panels, he didn't say such a thing.

      Hiruzen observed Obito and said that he is using a jutsu combining at least 4 elements. AFTER Obito took control of the Ten-Tails and started to think normally, Tobirama noted that Obito started to use YYR to negate all Ninjutsu (and he can because Madara taught him to use YYR).

      And you are missing something here, not every Ninja has YYR. These non-elemental jutsus were said to be related to Yin Release and Yang Release not YYR.

      this proves you wrong it specially says According to Hiruzen Sarutobi, the technique acts on a similar basis to Dust Release, but on a greater level in terms of shape transformation, allowing it to constantly be used for either offensive or defensive purposes. Hiruzen also noted that, since the substance is likely a combination of at least four nature transformations, it is beyond both kekkei genkai and kekkei tōta

      http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Truth-Seeking_Ball

      and according to the manga all Non elemental ninjutsu are Yin Yang Release

      http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Yin%E2%80%93Yang_Release

      According to Yamato, the manipulation of Yin and Yang is the source of non-elemental techniques such as the Shadow Imitation Technique, Multi-Size Technique, medical ninjutsu, genjutsu, etc.

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    • Naruto is stronger than Sasuke in every single way. Naruto was able to slice off Kaguya's left arm when Sasuke couldn't do jackshit.

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    • And as I say you're missing something here. Hiruzen said all that, but he never mention something like Kekkei Touta and beyond are YYR. And just so you know the Non-elemental techniques either related to the Yin Release or related to the Yang Release. But not Yin-Yang Release.

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    • Actionmanrandell wrote:

      Elveonora wrote: Naruto doesn't have Yin-Yang release, therefore his TSB don't negate shit. EDIT: you can't be more wrong this time

      i am sorry BUT YOU ARE WRONG

      yin yang release is a thing that all ninja have. Yin Yang release is used when making shadow clones. and any non elemental ninjutsu. its something every ninja knows aside from people like Lee

      more over they are made specifically of Yin Yang it wouldn't even matter if he had never used Yin Yang release because the balls themselves are made up of Yin Yang

      I don't think EVERYONE knows Yin/Yang? Besides, only Yin (or the Dark one, I lose track.) Creates shadow clones, Yin release makes things from nothingness, like shadow clones. Not Yin/Yang.

      And who gives a damn what the Truth Seeking Balls are made out of? I believe they're made out of awesomeness.

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    • Actionmanrandell wrote: i am sorry BUT YOU ARE WRONG

      yin yang release is a thing that all ninja have. Yin Yang release is used when making shadow clones. and any non elemental ninjutsu. its something every ninja knows aside from people like Lee

      more over they are made specifically of Yin Yang it wouldn't even matter if he had never used Yin Yang release because the balls themselves are made up of Yin Yang

      All ninja have Yin and/or Yang releases, but not Yin-Yang Release. And no, I already told you TSB aren't made of YYR

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    • Its simple. Naruto has shown more feats currently than Sasuke, but just because he's shown more, doesn't mean his stronger. I'm sure Sasuke has other stuff currently in wait. Plus, its not always the strongest who wins, its the smartest. But if anyone wants to get really technical, Sasuke is stronger than Naruto because, for the most part, he uses his own power. The sharingan is a kekei-genkai. Its genetic, so its his power all the way up to MS. Naruto on the other hand wasn't born with kurama in him. It was sealed. Plus Naruto admitted it himself to the great toad sage that he needs kurama's power in order to fight Sasuke.

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    • Sasuke has these things:

      • talent
      • Sharingan that can analyze and copy techniques
      • Rinnegan that makes learning ninjutsu easier

      So in theory, Sasuke has greater potential imo.

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    • ^^^^These, @Elveo & @Zeit

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    • @Elveo Naruto has talent too he's just a late bloomer. He has more chakra so if the battle boils down to endurance Naruto wins since even his strongest jutsu don't take that much chakra and we must not forget the facts that as you said yourself Naruto wins in the strategy department for thinking out of the box so much and the tailed beasts they will play a huge role too

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    • TSB aren't made up of Yin/Yang, they can make use of those two.

      They are actually made up of at least 4 Nature Transformations plus Natural energy.

      Look at the wiki page, brush up on your history.

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    • ShiftyTwin wrote: TSB aren't made up of Yin/Yang, they can make use of those two.

      They are actually made up of at least 4 Nature Transformations plus Natural energy.

      Look at the wiki page, brush up on your history.

      Yes especially when people who wrote articles and people arguing on forum are same(this is not truth in last instance lol). And yet i think that Naruto TSB have Yin/Yang(i think that it cannot exist without it), because of its name "Truth Seeking Balls" -something that has purpose of finding "truth" of ninjutsu(or anything it opposes) or revealing its true nature(by negating it)

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    • Rage gtx wrote:

      ShiftyTwin wrote: TSB aren't made up of Yin/Yang, they can make use of those two.

      They are actually made up of at least 4 Nature Transformations plus Natural energy.

      Look at the wiki page, brush up on your history.

      Yes especially when people who wrote articles and people arguing on forum are same(this is not truth in last instance lol). And yet i think that Naruto TSB have Yin/Yang(i think that it cannot exist without it), because of its name "Truth Seeking Balls" -something that has purpose of finding "truth" of ninjutsu(or anything it opposes) or revealing its true nature(by negating it)

      That's a good way to go about it, but they don't reject ninjutsu by nature, you have to master them and learn how to reject ninhutsu by using them.

      And like I said, the page clearly states that Yin/Yang can be incorporated into the TSB's giving them special characteristics. They can be used without Yin/Yang.

      Naruto's have Yang in them, we know that but he doesn't have Yin/Yang by nature. He got Yang from SO6P.

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    • At least I think it's Yang, I bloody lose track of which is which now.

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    • ShiftyTwin wrote: That's a good way to go about it, but they don't reject ninjutsu by nature, you have to master them and learn how to reject ninhutsu by using them. And like I said, the page clearly states that Yin/Yang can be incorporated into the TSB's giving them special characteristics. They can be used without Yin/Yang.

      Again that was concluded because Obito didn't negative 1, 2, and 3 hokage at first, and pages edited almost every week(as new chapter release) so what can be true today can become false tomorrow(like color of Sasuke Rinnegan).

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    • Rage gtx wrote:

      ShiftyTwin wrote: That's a good way to go about it, but they don't reject ninjutsu by nature, you have to master them and learn how to reject ninhutsu by using them. And like I said, the page clearly states that Yin/Yang can be incorporated into the TSB's giving them special characteristics. They can be used without Yin/Yang.

      Again that was concluded because Obito didn't negative 1, 2, and 3 hokage at first, and pages edited almost every week(as new chapter release) so what can be true today can become false tomorrow(like color of Sasuke Rinnegan).

      Hahaha, that's true. But still, I don't really see the big point of what the TSB's are made out of, I know where to find what they are made out of though.

      In the complete OPPOSITE direction of a vagina.

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    • We know well what they are made of, the Ten-Tails' chakra, that's it. What nature transformations they use is situational, not mandatory. In case of Obito's usage they were "at least 4 natures" and then also YYR.

      Naruto's TSB are simply Wind Release, proven when he expanded one and threw as Tailed Beast Ball Rasenshuriken.

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    • why are you people getting all worked up and angry over this

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    • There was no statements or anything of what Naruto's truth seeking balls are made of, and there was also no statement or anything saying all TSB are different. Right now its pointless to argue all this as facts because it is still speculation

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    • It can be deduced through simple observation, aka. paying attention to the manga you read.

      • Naruto knows only Wind Release = fact, because that's the only nature training he has had
      • Naruto expanded his Truth Seeking Ball and threw it as Tailed Beast Ball Rasenshuriken, hint: Wind Release
      • Naruto is yet to do something like these:
      1. Obito_stops_Sasuke_and_Naruto.png
      2. Ten-Tails_Chakra_Technique.png
      3. Ten-Tails_chakra_orbs.png

      So no Water Release

      • Naruto's are yet to turn anything into Dust, so no Fire or Earth
      • Naruto's are yet to nullify any ninjutsu, so no YYR

      Kapish?

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    • I never said it didn't have wind release. But just because it hasn't shown those other abilities yet does not mean it won't but then again we can't say that either

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    • Elveonora wrote: It can be deduced through simple observation, aka. paying attention to the manga you read.

      • Naruto knows only Wind Release = fact, because that's the only nature training he has had
      • Naruto expanded his Truth Seeking Ball and threw it as Tailed Beast Ball Rasenshuriken, hint: Wind Release
      • Naruto is yet to do something like these:
      1. Obito_stops_Sasuke_and_Naruto.png
      2. Ten-Tails_Chakra_Technique.png
      3. Ten-Tails_chakra_orbs.png

      So no Water Release

      • Naruto's are yet to turn anything into Dust, so no Fire or Earth
      • Naruto's are yet to nullify any ninjutsu, so no YYR

      Kapish?

      Once again, this.

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    • i think we should close discussion,bcos to me its kishi fault.he give too many strong battles and times to naruto, when he wanted them to be equal rivals to we viewers.i will say dis not bcos my user name is uchiha or am a sasuke fan,but bcos of how efficient he has had to develope his own techniques and justu without any supervisions (except orochimaru).he might even able to achieve feats like coming back 4rm the dead(using izanagi),and has not still reached his full potential(his rinnegan powers has not reach full capacity).sasuke is technically stronger than naruto.

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    • We don't know yet the next movie is supposed to wrap up the series so let's wait until it's out to declare that one is stronger than the other since when they fight in that movie they will be at max power

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    • Sasuke is a crybaby selfish ass prix, Naruto would beat his ass any day. Sasuke failed a surprise attack on Kaguya and got his ass kicked but Naruto was able to cut off her arm.

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    • Sasuke isn't a cry baby dude, he only cried like twice in the series. Naruto cried tons of times. HE CRIED WHEN HE SAW OBITO'S FLASHBACK WITH RIN! So you couldn't have been more wrong. Selfish yes. Crybaby no.

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    • Difference is, Naruto was crying for the pain of others, because he knows how they feel. That is called being compassionate. A term that is not at all in Sasuke's vocabulary.

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    • @Official, Chapter 476 pages 8-11, next time you talk about who is a crybaby think twice.

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    • Crying for Sasuke's sake. Yeah, I don't think I'll ever hold that against him. At least Naruto has a heart. One that can feel compassion for a friend he still holds dear and one whom, at that time, deserved nothing Naruto was trying to give to him. Friendship. Forgiveness. Compassion. None of it. But that's just who Naruto is. Once again, something that is clearly beyond Sasuke's (and his fans, by the looks of it) scope of mind.

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    • Sasuke only cried when he was a kid when his clan got murdered. Then when he found out the truth. So calling him a cry baby is false. Naruto needs to control his emotions and who he cries for. Both Naruto and Sasuke are emotionally constipated

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    • Eric Burrell wrote: Sasuke only cried when he was a kid when his clan got murdered. Then when he found out the truth. So calling him a cry baby is false. Naruto needs to control his emotions and who he cries for. Both Naruto and Sasuke are emotionally constipated

      Yes, Naruto is the one who needs to control himself.

      Looking at all the allies and life long friends his compassion has gotten him, and all the hatred Sasuke's "control" has gotten him, I think Naruto is the winner in this category.

      You're right though. He should control who he cries for. Sasuke was deserving of not one single drop of tears from anyone's eyes, much less Naruto's.

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    • We don't control who Naruto cries for. But Naruto just does. Yeah he cried for Sasuke because that's his best friend. Naruto cried because of Sasuke a good amount of times but I don't mind. It means something. It took until Jirayia's death for Naruto to finally understand what Sasuke felt like. I don't know what I should tell you my friend, Naruto, Sakura, even Ino cried for the guy. But there's nothing wrong with it

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    • In all honesty Naruto is a bit more of a crybaby but just mode emotionally driven than Sasuke. That's no problem well to a certain extinct. Though I hated Sasuke back story as they always seemed to go back to it but Naruto is more sensitive that's just how he is. Sasuke I wouldn't say doesn't have a heart he just tries so hard not to show off his feelings which in such can make people dislike him because of how he comes off.

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    • You can't lie about this though, Naruto shares his backstory with everyone

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    • Eric Burrell wrote: You can't lie about this though, Naruto shares his backstory with everyone

      You're not lying. My thing is it was Naruto and should of stayed with him. I mean Sakura had a backstory and you barely seen it. It should've been like that. And one thing about Naruto is flashbacks. God almighty lol

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    • I woudln't say Naruto's "stronger", he just has way more Plot Armor™.

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    • Marko2454 wrote: I woudln't say Naruto's "stronger", he just has way more Plot Armor™.

      What do you mean by "plot armor"?

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    • Rachin123 wrote: In all honesty Naruto is a bit more of a crybaby but just mode emotionally driven than Sasuke. That's no problem well to a certain extinct. Though I hated Sasuke back story as they always seemed to go back to it but Naruto is more sensitive that's just how he is. Sasuke I wouldn't say doesn't have a heart he just tries so hard not to show off his feelings which in such can make people dislike him because of how he comes off.

      You're not lying. Sasuke's attitude can rub people the wrong way. Look at how emotionless (and seemingly careless) he was when Obito, the man who saved Sasuke from possibly being forever trapped in one of Kaguya's dimensions, sacrificed his life. Sasuke didn't seem to care about being the last Uchiha (although Obito did contribute to the Uchiha clan massacre). While this action shows that Sasuke won't panic in a given situation and will remain focused on the task at hand, as a fan of Sasuke (though not a Sasuke-rider), I'm not afraid to say it was unnecessary to disregard comrades like that. We still don't know the full extent and details of Sasuke's intentions and goals. I wonder what he said to Hagoromo that allowed the latter to give him half of his power...?

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    • Rachin123 wrote:

      Marko2454 wrote: I woudln't say Naruto's "stronger", he just has way more Plot Armor™.

      What do you mean by "plot armor"?

      http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PlotArmor

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    • Marko2454 wrote:

      Rachin123 wrote:

      Marko2454 wrote: I woudln't say Naruto's "stronger", he just has way more Plot Armor™.

      What do you mean by "plot armor"?

      http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PlotArmor

      Thanks for the link but sorry to say Naruto is not the only one with plot armor as you say. Sasuke has it too. Just saying.

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    • Rachin123 wrote:

      Marko2454 wrote:

      Rachin123 wrote:

      Marko2454 wrote: I woudln't say Naruto's "stronger", he just has way more Plot Armor™.

      What do you mean by "plot armor"?

      http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PlotArmor

      Thanks for the link but sorry to say Naruto is not the only one with plot armor as you say. Sasuke has it too. Just saying.

      I absolutely agree. I just said 'Ruto has more of it, since he's the designated protagonist.

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    • @Marko2454 I respectively disagree. Sasuke is what drives Naruto and as it seems it should be called Sasuke Shippuden as everything seems to revolve around him. All and all both of them if not most of the Naruto cast in some point gets plot armor but mostly them two.

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    • Currently Naruto and Sasuke are the current Reincarnations of Ashura and Indra. They are only two who can defeat Kaguya, and they need each other to do it. I would say because of this they both have Plot Armor.

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    • To get back to the question, "is Naruto technically stronger than Sasuke," as of right now, Naruto. Kakashi seems just as strong as Sasuke in chapter 688....

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    • If Kakashi had Rinnegan he would be as strong as Sasuke, I will say he is weaker still, realistically.

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    • Rachin123 wrote: @Marko2454 I respectively disagree. Sasuke is what drives Naruto and as it seems it should be called Sasuke Shippuden as everything seems to revolve around him. All and all both of them if not most of the Naruto cast in some point gets plot armor but mostly them two.

      Sakura drives him too, noticed how often he's saved her life because of his new powers? He just wants to get into her pants, but still, she is just as much of a motivation as Sasuke.

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    • WindStar7125 wrote: To get back to the question, "is Naruto technically stronger than Sasuke," as of right now, Naruto. Kakashi seems just as strong as Sasuke in chapter 688....

      Just having two MS doesnt make him as strong as sasuke. remember sasuke has Blaze release, EMS, indra's chakra and his rinnegan that has yet to show it's full potential

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    • NightAssassin wrote:

      WindStar7125 wrote: To get back to the question, "is Naruto technically stronger than Sasuke," as of right now, Naruto. Kakashi seems just as strong as Sasuke in chapter 688....

      Just having two MS doesnt make him as strong as sasuke. remember sasuke has Blaze release, EMS, indra's chakra and his rinnegan that has yet to show it's full potential

      I said it seems like Kakashi is. Don't worry, I know Sasuke is still technically stronger, I just meant that Sasuke now has to differentiate himself from Kakashi and further utilize his Rinnegan.

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    • Kakashi is a beast point blank.

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    • ItachiWasAHero wrote: Kakashi is a beast point blank.

      Yes.

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    • So now that the new chapter has dropped Im sure everyone now sees that Naruto is just Gotdam OP'ed lol. Picture Sasuke going up against that Tech that Naruto hit Kaguya with, now picture him doing that tech with like 100 clones.... No, No, and No. Naruto just keeps on displaying his magnificent overwhelming power over and over while Sasuke lies effortlessly dormant pulling out the only thing he can rely on(Susanno) while still watching T.V.( naruto). Its clear as day now, saying they are equal is a no go. They are not equal, no where near being equal. Naruto has Truth balls, Tailed beast, Fly, Speed, Clones, Chakra arms, Sage Mode infused with the yang power, I mean the list goes on and on,The ability to withstand Kaguya while Sasuke was in the desert doing what...nothing. Ok we can give Sasuke all the Rinne powers but get this...Naruto already beat these Rinne powers WITHOUT yang chakra in Sage mode ages ago. Not to mention Sasuke only has one eye and Naurto has beaten a person with both of them and it was 6 of them lol. I just dont see Sasuke in the final fight matching up to the awesomeness of Naruto Uzumaki. But hey dont forget this is IMHO(H= Humblest)

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    • AsuraŌtsutsukiii wrote: So now that the new chapter has dropped Im sure everyone now sees that Naruto is just Gotdam OP'ed lol. Picture Sasuke going up against that Tech that Naruto hit Kaguya with, now picture him doing that tech with like 100 clones.... No, No, and No. Naruto just keeps on displaying his magnificent overwhelming power over and over while Sasuke lies effortlessly dormant pulling out the only thing he can rely on(Susanno) while still watching T.V.( naruto). Its clear as day now, saying they are equal is a no go. They are not equal, no where near being equal. Naruto has Truth balls, Tailed beast, Fly, Speed, Clones, Chakra arms, Sage Mode infused with the yang power, I mean the list goes on and on,The ability to withstand Kaguya while Sasuke was in the desert doing what...nothing. Ok we can give Sasuke all the Rinne powers but get this...Naruto already beat these Rinne powers WITHOUT yang chakra in Sage mode ages ago. Not to mention Sasuke only has one eye and Naurto has beaten a person with both of them and it was 6 of them lol. I just dont see Sasuke in the final fight matching up to the awesomeness of Naruto Uzumaki. But hey dont forget this is IMHO(H= Humblest)

      I 500% agree. And to add to that Sasuke doesn't even have all the Rinne powers yet! Sucks to be a Sasuke fan in these dark times. But still, Naruto isn't as SKILLED as Sasuke is, Naruto just has a butt-tonne of Rasengan variations and his Tailed Beast Mode, if you think about it he hasn't got much it's just ALOT of it. He is way too OP and it's pretty unfair for Sasuke, he's like an ant.

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    • If Sasuke learns how to use the Six Paths Technique, he'll gain access to the Outer Path, which controls life and death, and will allow him to use the Demonic Statue Chains, which can bind the nine tailed beasts.

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    • Yeah once he masters his Rinnegan, he will be Naruto's Match. The Rinnegan is a dangerous difference maker once Mastered.

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    • WindStar7125 wrote: If Sasuke learns how to use the Six Paths Technique, he'll gain access to the Outer Path, which controls life and death, and will allow him to use the Demonic Statue Chains, which can bind the nine tailed beasts.

      I'm not sure whether the Outer Path is a generic Rinnegan thing but. I think it's a special technique.

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    • he prolly will awaken another rinngan as well because he currently has only 1 because he has half of the sages chakra. hahsirama gave him some of asura so it may mix with sasukes indra. he also has the zetsu/ hashirama goo.

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    • Archangel489 wrote: he prolly will awaken another rinngan as well because he currently has only 1 because he has half of the sages chakra. hahsirama gave him some of asura so it may mix with sasukes indra. he also has the zetsu/ hashirama goo.

      i'm not sure he will awaken d rinnegan in both eyes,after what hagaromo told them abt mixing d both chakra's together.

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    • even with 1 rinnegan,sasuke hasnt shown potential.kishi is keeping for the main course,as he has always done thru out the series.

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    • Archangel489 wrote: he prolly will awaken another rinngan as well because he currently has only 1 because he has half of the sages chakra. hahsirama gave him some of asura so it may mix with sasukes indra. he also has the zetsu/ hashirama goo.

      No. Sasuke's Rinnegan isn't one of a missing pair like Madara's or Obito's. It is singular with tomoe like Kaguya's. You see how Kaguya has so much power from a tomoe Rinnegan? Same case as Sasuke's. Sasuke doesn't have "half of the Rinnegan." It is just that this Rinnegan allows him to use Sharingan techniques like Amaterasu. I'm confident that Sasuke can use the Six Paths Technique. He needs to, who else is going to deal with Kaguya when she is turned into the Chibaku Tensei core with the seals? Sasuke.

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    • I was just thinking that is why he only has one since he has half of the power. Madara had all basically and therefore had two. Also he doesn't a third eye like kaguya

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    • Archangel489 wrote: I was just thinking that is why he only has one since he has half of the power. Madara had all basically and therefore had two. Also he doesn't a third eye like kaguya

      My point is that Sasuke's Rinnegan is different than Madara's. It isn't half of the full power of the Rinnegan, because it was never originally a pair of Rinnegan. Allow me to elaborate: When Kaguya awakened the Rinnegan, it appeared as a third eye on her forehead with nine tomoe. When Hagoromo awakened the Rinnegan, it appeared as a pair of eyes without tomoe. All of a sudden, when Sasuke awakens it, with six tomoe, it is considered to be incomplete? Yes, Hagoromo each gave Naruto and Sasuke half of his power, but not half of each of his techniques. Hagoromo's two signature techniques lie in his eyes and his body. The eyes of Hagoromo is the Rinnegan, and his body is the Six Paths Sage Technique. He gave one technique, his eyes, to Sasuke, and another technique, his body, to Naruto. Naruto doesn't have "half" of the SPST, but like Sasuke, he has a different variant of Hagoromo's techniques (Hagoromo's Rinnegan = two eyes w/o tomoe, Sasuke's = one w/ six tomoe; Hagoromo's SPST = Ten-Tails, Naruto's SPST = All nine tailed beasts and senjutsu). I know that Naruto only has fragments of the tailed beasts like Sasuke has "half" a Rinnegan, but that doesn't mean Naruto and Sasuke's powers are incomplete. They are already giving Kaguya enough trouble. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't be mad at all if Sasuke gained the Rinnegan in his right eye (or at least, nine tomoe in the one Rinnegan he has, like Kaguya's), but the probability of that happening is just as likely as Naruto absorbing the nine tailed beasts from Kaguya.

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    • AsuraŌtsutsukiii wrote: So now that the new chapter has dropped Im sure everyone now sees that Naruto is just Gotdam OP'ed lol. Picture Sasuke going up against that Tech that Naruto hit Kaguya with, now picture him doing that tech with like 100 clones.... No, No, and No. Naruto just keeps on displaying his magnificent overwhelming power over and over while Sasuke lies effortlessly dormant pulling out the only thing he can rely on(Susanno) while still watching T.V.( naruto). Its clear as day now, saying they are equal is a no go. They are not equal, no where near being equal. Naruto has Truth balls, Tailed beast, Fly, Speed, Clones, Chakra arms, Sage Mode infused with the yang power, I mean the list goes on and on,The ability to withstand Kaguya while Sasuke was in the desert doing what...nothing. Ok we can give Sasuke all the Rinne powers but get this...Naruto already beat these Rinne powers WITHOUT yang chakra in Sage mode ages ago. Not to mention Sasuke only has one eye and Naurto has beaten a person with both of them and it was 6 of them lol. I just dont see Sasuke in the final fight matching up to the awesomeness of Naruto Uzumaki. But hey dont forget this is IMHO(H= Humblest)


      I agree that at the moment Naruto ist too much OP and also seems to be stronger than Sasuke because of the power ups from hagoromo as shown in the manga =

      Naruto = six paths technique (the new cloak + speed + strength + flying) + truth seeking balls + acces to the all 9 Bijuu's chakra + yang chakra (= healing and restoring life)

      Sasuke = yin chakra (= ?) + teleportation (I think that the perect Susanoo isn't a hagoromo power up because now even Kakashi has a perfect one)

      But we have to see how the manga evolves and i really think that Sasuke gets to catch up by showing new techniques or by getting a new power up

      Second when Sasuke would get a the rinne paths it wouldn't be useless = YES naruto has defeated the 6 Pains but only because every one had a single rinne path/technique. Later Naruto fought against a revived Nagato (with all 7 paths combined as it naturally should be used) and without Itachi's help Nagato would have killed him (the fight starts at manga chapter 548) !!!!! and in this fight naruto was using the Kyuubi chakra mode !!!!!

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    • ShaRin'negan94 wrote:

      AsuraŌtsutsukiii wrote: So now that the new chapter has dropped Im sure everyone now sees that Naruto is just Gotdam OP'ed lol. Picture Sasuke going up against that Tech that Naruto hit Kaguya with, now picture him doing that tech with like 100 clones.... No, No, and No. Naruto just keeps on displaying his magnificent overwhelming power over and over while Sasuke lies effortlessly dormant pulling out the only thing he can rely on(Susanno) while still watching T.V.( naruto). Its clear as day now, saying they are equal is a no go. They are not equal, no where near being equal. Naruto has Truth balls, Tailed beast, Fly, Speed, Clones, Chakra arms, Sage Mode infused with the yang power, I mean the list goes on and on,The ability to withstand Kaguya while Sasuke was in the desert doing what...nothing. Ok we can give Sasuke all the Rinne powers but get this...Naruto already beat these Rinne powers WITHOUT yang chakra in Sage mode ages ago. Not to mention Sasuke only has one eye and Naurto has beaten a person with both of them and it was 6 of them lol. I just dont see Sasuke in the final fight matching up to the awesomeness of Naruto Uzumaki. But hey dont forget this is IMHO(H= Humblest)


      I agree that at the moment Naruto ist too much OP and also seems to be stronger than Sasuke because of the power ups from hagoromo as shown in the manga =

      Naruto = six paths technique (the new cloak + speed + strength + flying) + truth seeking balls + acces to the all 9 Bijuu's chakra + yang chakra (= healing and restoring life)

      Sasuke = yin chakra (= ?) + teleportation (I think that the perect Susanoo isn't a hagoromo power up because now even Kakashi has a perfect one)

      But we have to see how the manga evolves and i really think that Sasuke gets to catch up by showing new techniques or by getting a new power up

      Second when Sasuke would get a the rinne paths it wouldn't be useless = YES naruto has defeated the 6 Pains but only because every one had a single rinne path/technique. Later Naruto fought against a revived Nagato (with all 7 paths combined as it naturally should be used) and without Itachi's help Nagato would have killed him (the fight starts at manga chapter 548) !!!!! and in this fight naruto was using the Kyuubi chakra mode !!!!!

      At the moment. If you didn't read my comment, I said if Sasuke unlocks the Six Paths Technique, he could use the Outer Path, which controls life and death, allowing him to use the Demonic Statue chains, which can bind the nine tailed beasts.

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    • WindStar7125 wrote:


      At the moment. If you didn't read my comment, I said if Sasuke unlocks the Six Paths Technique, he could use the Outer Path, which controls life and death, allowing him to use the Demonic Statue chains, which can bind the nine tailed beasts.

      First this outer Path demonic statue theory would only strengthen my idea that gaining the rinne paths wouldn't be useless to sasuke because Naruto once got nearly killed by nagato and when somebody like sasuke with a much stronger rinnegan would be more devastating

      Second isn't the demonic statue the empty shell of the Juubi and it was used by Madara to chain the 9 Bijuus and to absorb them into the demonic statue and wasn't the demonic statue absorbed by Madara to get the Juubi's jinchuriki and and later he absorbed the Shinju tree and then Kaguya evolved out of him so the ten tails is inside KAguya and so the demonic statue ???!!??

      so how could he summon the Demonic statue when KAguya is still alive or did you mean in a later fight between them when kaguya is already defeated ?
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    • ShaRin'negan94 wrote:

      WindStar7125 wrote:


      At the moment. If you didn't read my comment, I said if Sasuke unlocks the Six Paths Technique, he could use the Outer Path, which controls life and death, allowing him to use the Demonic Statue chains, which can bind the nine tailed beasts.

      First this outer Path demonic statue theory would only strengthen my idea that gaining the rinne paths wouldn't be useless to sasuke because Naruto once got nearly killed by nagato and when somebody like sasuke with a much stronger rinnegan would be more devastating

      Second isn't the demonic statue the empty shell of the Juubi and it was used by Madara to chain the 9 Bijuus and to absorb them into the demonic statue and wasn't the demonic statue absorbed by Madara to get the Juubi's jinchuriki and and later he absorbed the Shinju tree and then Kaguya evolved out of him so the ten tails is inside KAguya and so the demonic statue ???!!??

      so how could he summon the Demonic statue when KAguya is still alive or did you mean in a later fight between them when kaguya is already defeated ?

      A later fight, when Kaguya is defeated. I already know those chains require the Demonic Statue of the Outer Path, hence the name "Demonic Statue Chains."

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    • You also forget Nagato was not used to his legs and was still crippled when Kabuto restored him using Bee's chakra and had him almost kill Bee and Naruto.. Nagato is a monster and has mastered the 7 paths and many many other ninjutsu, Sasuke has a long way to go before he gets to Nagato's level, PLOT armor and PLOT killing is what stopped Nagato.. a crippled Nagato was Kabuto's second Strongest Edo Tensei, Itachi was his third Strongest Edo Tensei and Madara with all of his enhancements: wood release, rinnegan and Kabuto somehow making him in his prime WITH all of those enhancements, Made him Kabuto's Strongest Edo Tensei.. and they were all still a good bit weaker than if they were actually brought back to life as shown with Madara reviving himself and easily breaking out of Edo Hashirama's technique even though he could not do that before as an Edo.

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    • ItachiWasAHero wrote: You also forget Nagato was not used to his legs and was still crippled when Kabuto restored him using Bee's chakra and had him almost kill Bee and Naruto.. Nagato is a monster and has mastered the 7 paths and many many other ninjutsu, Sasuke has a long way to go before he gets to Nagato's level, PLOT armor and PLOT killing is what stopped Nagato.. a crippled Nagato was Kabuto's second Strongest Edo Tensei, Itachi was his third Strongest Edo Tensei and Madara with all of his enhancements: wood release, rinnegan and Kabuto somehow making him in his prime WITH all of those enhancements, Made him Kabuto's Strongest Edo Tensei.. and they were all still a good bit weaker than if they were actually brought back to life as shown with Madara reviving himself and easily breaking out of Edo Hashirama's technique even though he could not do that before as an Edo.

      Even now Sasuke also has many many Ninjutsu and with all his mangekyo techniques I think that he isn't far away from Nagato I actuallly think that he's stronger than Nagato NAruto is just an idiot who can only spam his rasengan and nothing more without Kurama he would be nothing (and he wouldn't be so fast and strong without kuramana or the six paths technique) well I think if Sasuke gets the Rinne paths because of his Rinnegan his rinne techniques will be much stronger than Nagatos (because these weren't even Nagatos own eyes) and he would also have more rinne techniques like limbo or some new ones but only IF he would get access to them

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    • Nagato was an Uzumaki which is basically the same as a Senju. Whether they were his eyes or not he was able to use both eyes to their fullest and mastered them. He was not using Limbo because he did not know it or about it. Obito never taught it to him which means Obito didn't know about it either. Nagato took on Killer Bee and Naruto at once and Nearly killed them both, with crippled legs while being controlled by Kabuto. Sasuke has a ways to go before he is at Nagato's level.

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    • Only because you are an Uzumaki or a Senju is irrelevant because the only Senju who was outstanding in his abilities is Hashirama Senju all the other Senjus were strong but not speical (ok maybe Tobirama is as well outstanding but not as much as Hashiramabut the others)

      only because an Uzumaki or a Senju gets a Rinnegan or Sharingan doesn't mean he is superior in its use to other clans THE UCHIHA clan is the descendant clan of Indra and he was the EYES of Hagoromo so when you have A Rinnegan or Sharingan it would be better to be an Uchiha not an Uzumaki or Senju

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    • ItachiWasAHero wrote: Nagato was an Uzumaki which is basically the same as a Senju. Whether they were his eyes or not he was able to use both eyes to their fullest and mastered them. He was not using Limbo because he did not know it or about it. Obito never taught it to him which means Obito didn't know about it either. Nagato took on Killer Bee and Naruto at once and Nearly killed them both, with crippled legs while being controlled by Kabuto. Sasuke has a ways to go before he is at Nagato's level.

      Nagato definitely had great control over Madara's Rinnegan, but he's far from Madara's level. Obito himself stated that the full power of the Rinnegan can be manifested only by the original owner with both eyes. Sasuke has only one Rinnegan but he's the true owner of it.

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    • JOA20 wrote:

      ItachiWasAHero wrote: Nagato was an Uzumaki which is basically the same as a Senju. Whether they were his eyes or not he was able to use both eyes to their fullest and mastered them. He was not using Limbo because he did not know it or about it. Obito never taught it to him which means Obito didn't know about it either. Nagato took on Killer Bee and Naruto at once and Nearly killed them both, with crippled legs while being controlled by Kabuto. Sasuke has a ways to go before he is at Nagato's level.

      Nagato definitely had great control over Madara's Rinnegan, but he's far from Madara's level. Obito himself stated that the full power of the Rinnegan can be manifested only by the original owner with both eyes. Sasuke has only one Rinnegan but he's the true owner of it.


      And it's no normal Rinnegan but one with tomoe (which special powers this Rinnegan has isn't really shown yet) ^^

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    • ShaRin'negan94 wrote:

      JOA20 wrote: Sasuke has only one Rinnegan but he's the true owner of it.

      And it's no normal Rinnegan but one with tomoe (which special powers this Rinnegan has isn't really shown yet) ^^

      Well, Sasuke already showed his new teleportation jutsu. We have yet to see if there's anything special about a Rinnegan with tomoe.

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    • JOA20 wrote:

      ShaRin'negan94 wrote:

      JOA20 wrote: Sasuke has only one Rinnegan but he's the true owner of it.

      And it's no normal Rinnegan but one with tomoe (which special powers this Rinnegan has isn't really shown yet) ^^

      Well, Sasuke already showed his new teleportation jutsu. We have yet to see if there's anything special about a Rinnegan with tomoe.


      yeah I know the teleportation jutsu but I think it would be very disappointing if this would be the only technique of this eye than the difference between Sasuke and Naruto would be tooooo much

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    • That's why I believe that right now, we think he has limited abilities but in the upcoming chapters, Kishi will bring something up for Sasuke

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    • WindStar7125 wrote:

      Archangel489 wrote: I was just thinking that is why he only has one since he has half of the power. Madara had all basically and therefore had two. Also he doesn't a third eye like kaguya

      My point is that Sasuke's Rinnegan is different than Madara's. It isn't half of the full power of the Rinnegan, because it was never originally a pair of Rinnegan. Allow me to elaborate: When Kaguya awakened the Rinnegan, it appeared as a third eye on her forehead with nine tomoe. When Hagoromo awakened the Rinnegan, it appeared as a pair of eyes without tomoe. All of a sudden, when Sasuke awakens it, with six tomoe, it is considered to be incomplete? Yes, Hagoromo each gave Naruto and Sasuke half of his power, but not half of each of his techniques. Hagoromo's two signature techniques lie in his eyes and his body. The eyes of Hagoromo is the Rinnegan, and his body is the Six Paths Sage Technique. He gave one technique, his eyes, to Sasuke, and another technique, his body, to Naruto. Naruto doesn't have "half" of the SPST, but like Sasuke, he has a different variant of Hagoromo's techniques (Hagoromo's Rinnegan = two eyes w/o tomoe, Sasuke's = one w/ six tomoe; Hagoromo's SPST = Ten-Tails, Naruto's SPST = All nine tailed beasts and senjutsu). I know that Naruto only has fragments of the tailed beasts like Sasuke has "half" a Rinnegan, but that doesn't mean Naruto and Sasuke's powers are incomplete. They are already giving Kaguya enough trouble. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't be mad at all if Sasuke gained the Rinnegan in his right eye (or at least, nine tomoe in the one Rinnegan he has, like Kaguya's), but the probability of that happening is just as likely as Naruto absorbing the nine tailed beasts from Kaguya.

      Did anyone not read this?^^^^^ I don't think Sasuke is "limited" or "incomplete," but I, along with @ItachiWasAHero believe Sasuke's full power has yet to be shown. But his Rinnegan isn't "half" or "lacking something."

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    • Naruto has:

      - Piece of each Bijuu - Rikudou Senjutsu

      Sasuke has:

      - Sharinnegan - Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan - Senju DNA

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    • Pesa123456789 wrote: Naruto has:

      - Piece of each Bijuu - Rikudou Senjutsu

      Sasuke has:

      - Sharinnegan - Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan - Senju DNA

      It wasn't confirmed whether Sasuke has acquired Senju DNA or not. I know you got it from Kabuto's healing of the Uchiha, but he said he studied the DNA, not that he was using them.

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    • It would also mean Sasuke awakening Wood Release later on, but it just doesn't suit him. There are TOO many Uchihas using it, and only by Hashirama's DNA (Obito and Madara). Though I would say that the attaining of the Healing Power and Wood Release of the DNA would certainly put him at Naruto's level (as from what we've seen, he is not).

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    • Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4 wrote: Well Naruto has the senjutsu half of Hagoromo's chakra, a small amount of chakra from all 8 Tailed Beast (All of their abilities as well), the Yin half of Kurama and apparently some of the Yang half's chakra too, and Sage Mode.

      Sasuke has the other half of Hagoromo's chakra, the super Rinnegan/Sharinnegan/Shinju's eye or whatever you wanna call it, and all of the abilities that it grants him.

      So although they appear to be about equal, I say that Naruto is still stronger.

      The Sage actually made the tailed beast into their full forms.

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    • ShaRin'negan94 wrote:

      ItachiWasAHero wrote: You also forget Nagato was not used to his legs and was still crippled when Kabuto restored him using Bee's chakra and had him almost kill Bee and Naruto.. Nagato is a monster and has mastered the 7 paths and many many other ninjutsu, Sasuke has a long way to go before he gets to Nagato's level, PLOT armor and PLOT killing is what stopped Nagato.. a crippled Nagato was Kabuto's second Strongest Edo Tensei, Itachi was his third Strongest Edo Tensei and Madara with all of his enhancements: wood release, rinnegan and Kabuto somehow making him in his prime WITH all of those enhancements, Made him Kabuto's Strongest Edo Tensei.. and they were all still a good bit weaker than if they were actually brought back to life as shown with Madara reviving himself and easily breaking out of Edo Hashirama's technique even though he could not do that before as an Edo.

      Even now Sasuke also has many many Ninjutsu and with all his mangekyo techniques I think that he isn't far away from Nagato I actuallly think that he's stronger than Nagato NAruto is just an idiot who can only spam his rasengan and nothing more without Kurama he would be nothing (and he wouldn't be so fast and strong without kuramana or the six paths technique) well I think if Sasuke gets the Rinne paths because of his Rinnegan his rinne techniques will be much stronger than Nagatos (because these weren't even Nagatos own eyes) and he would also have more rinne techniques like limbo or some new ones but only IF he would get access to them

      As much as its true he wouldnt be near as strong if he didn't have kurama but he also mastered sage mode. It seems that you hate how Naruto uses the power of the biju but he's a jinchuriki. It should be what you expect. But if you wanna go there Sasuke would've been blind if he didn't get Itachi eyes which didn't belong to him like kurama don't belong to Naruto. And going from what we've seen so far from Sasuke's rinnegan power and Nagato's I'd say Nagato put in better work. Yes it wasn't Nagato's eyes so he wouldn't be as strong as the owner but that could just mean if the user maatered it. Someonbe coulkd have the ability but not the skill as such.

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    • Rachin123 wrote:

      ShaRin'negan94 wrote:

      ItachiWasAHero wrote: You also forget Nagato was not used to his legs and was still crippled when Kabuto restored him using Bee's chakra and had him almost kill Bee and Naruto.. Nagato is a monster and has mastered the 7 paths and many many other ninjutsu, Sasuke has a long way to go before he gets to Nagato's level, PLOT armor and PLOT killing is what stopped Nagato.. a crippled Nagato was Kabuto's second Strongest Edo Tensei, Itachi was his third Strongest Edo Tensei and Madara with all of his enhancements: wood release, rinnegan and Kabuto somehow making him in his prime WITH all of those enhancements, Made him Kabuto's Strongest Edo Tensei.. and they were all still a good bit weaker than if they were actually brought back to life as shown with Madara reviving himself and easily breaking out of Edo Hashirama's technique even though he could not do that before as an Edo.

      Even now Sasuke also has many many Ninjutsu and with all his mangekyo techniques I think that he isn't far away from Nagato I actuallly think that he's stronger than Nagato NAruto is just an idiot who can only spam his rasengan and nothing more without Kurama he would be nothing (and he wouldn't be so fast and strong without kuramana or the six paths technique) well I think if Sasuke gets the Rinne paths because of his Rinnegan his rinne techniques will be much stronger than Nagatos (because these weren't even Nagatos own eyes) and he would also have more rinne techniques like limbo or some new ones but only IF he would get access to them

      As much as its true he wouldnt be near as strong if he didn't have kurama but he also mastered sage mode. It seems that you hate how Naruto uses the power of the biju but he's a jinchuriki. It should be what you expect. But if you wanna go there Sasuke would've been blind if he didn't get Itachi eyes which didn't belong to him like kurama don't belong to Naruto. And going from what we've seen so far from Sasuke's rinnegan power and Nagato's I'd say Nagato put in better work. Yes it wasn't Nagato's eyes so he wouldn't be as strong as the owner but that could just mean if the user maatered it. Someonbe coulkd have the ability but not the skill as such.


      I don't really hate Naruto but I actually hate the idea of an underdog who surpasses the genius by hard training

      well if the underdog keeps training like an idiot and the genius stops at some point yes the underdog could surpass him but the genius (in this case Sasuke) wasn't stopping he also was training all the time(not like an idiot because a genius soesn't need the same amount of training)

      the other thing is that the only technique Naruto has is his Rasengan and his clone (the clones actually everybody could use them especially sasuke with his sharingan who could copy it if he wanted to) And the only thing Naruto mastered by himself was Sage mode everything else is because of the Bijuus and their chakra

      but its like Ashura and Indra = indra the one who was a genius and could do anything alone and Ashura who at first needed the help of others to acomplish something and then later gets stronger

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    • ShaRin'negan94 wrote:

      Rachin123 wrote:

      ShaRin'negan94 wrote:

      ItachiWasAHero wrote: You also forget Nagato was not used to his legs and was still crippled when Kabuto restored him using Bee's chakra and had him almost kill Bee and Naruto.. Nagato is a monster and has mastered the 7 paths and many many other ninjutsu, Sasuke has a long way to go before he gets to Nagato's level, PLOT armor and PLOT killing is what stopped Nagato.. a crippled Nagato was Kabuto's second Strongest Edo Tensei, Itachi was his third Strongest Edo Tensei and Madara with all of his enhancements: wood release, rinnegan and Kabuto somehow making him in his prime WITH all of those enhancements, Made him Kabuto's Strongest Edo Tensei.. and they were all still a good bit weaker than if they were actually brought back to life as shown with Madara reviving himself and easily breaking out of Edo Hashirama's technique even though he could not do that before as an Edo.

      Even now Sasuke also has many many Ninjutsu and with all his mangekyo techniques I think that he isn't far away from Nagato I actuallly think that he's stronger than Nagato NAruto is just an idiot who can only spam his rasengan and nothing more without Kurama he would be nothing (and he wouldn't be so fast and strong without kuramana or the six paths technique) well I think if Sasuke gets the Rinne paths because of his Rinnegan his rinne techniques will be much stronger than Nagatos (because these weren't even Nagatos own eyes) and he would also have more rinne techniques like limbo or some new ones but only IF he would get access to them

      As much as its true he wouldnt be near as strong if he didn't have kurama but he also mastered sage mode. It seems that you hate how Naruto uses the power of the biju but he's a jinchuriki. It should be what you expect. But if you wanna go there Sasuke would've been blind if he didn't get Itachi eyes which didn't belong to him like kurama don't belong to Naruto. And going from what we've seen so far from Sasuke's rinnegan power and Nagato's I'd say Nagato put in better work. Yes it wasn't Nagato's eyes so he wouldn't be as strong as the owner but that could just mean if the user maatered it. Someonbe coulkd have the ability but not the skill as such.


      I don't really hate Naruto but I actually hate the idea of an underdog who surpasses the genius by hard training

      well if the underdog keeps training like an idiot and the genius stops at some point yes the underdog could surpass him but the genius (in this case Sasuke) wasn't stopping he also was training all the time(not like an idiot because a genius soesn't need the same amount of training)

      the other thing is that the only technique Naruto has is his Rasengan and his clone (the clones actually everybody could use them especially sasuke with his sharingan who could copy it if he wanted to) And the only thing Naruto mastered by himself was Sage mode everything else is because of the Bijuus and their chakra

      but its like Ashura and Indra = indra the one who was a genius and could do anything alone and Ashura who at first needed the help of others to acomplish something and then later gets stronger

      Well it may just be me but your not liking Naruto could cloud your judgment. Yes Naruto is not the smartest person. How does he train like an idiot? Naruto yes didn't have good chakra control but he got the rasengan which can be annoying but its a strong move. He created the rasenshuriken. He found a way to fast forward training time by using the experience gained from shadow clones and dispelling them. Unlike Sasuke who was given a special gift and not to mention two nature releases from part 1 who was able to improve them unlike Naruto who got wind release like in the middle of part 2. He relies on biju because it happened to be in him and he used it. Naruto works hard. May it be the way I would? Maybe or maybe not but his ways of training being stupid is a bit much. Sasuke is a genius in his on way but that doesn't necessarily make him better than Naruto. And it also doesn't help that Jiraiya was his master. He probably stalked girls 75% of the time and trained Naruto the other 25% of the time. And its possible that as you say the underdog could surpass the genius but that's not always the case. From what I can tell you seem to let your emotions towards Naruto get in the way and don't look at it in his way. But its your opinion but I respectively disagree.

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    • ShaRin'negan94 wrote:

      Rachin123 wrote:

      ShaRin'negan94 wrote:

      ItachiWasAHero wrote: You also forget Nagato was not used to his legs and was still crippled when Kabuto restored him using Bee's chakra and had him almost kill Bee and Naruto.. Nagato is a monster and has mastered the 7 paths and many many other ninjutsu, Sasuke has a long way to go before he gets to Nagato's level, PLOT armor and PLOT killing is what stopped Nagato.. a crippled Nagato was Kabuto's second Strongest Edo Tensei, Itachi was his third Strongest Edo Tensei and Madara with all of his enhancements: wood release, rinnegan and Kabuto somehow making him in his prime WITH all of those enhancements, Made him Kabuto's Strongest Edo Tensei.. and they were all still a good bit weaker than if they were actually brought back to life as shown with Madara reviving himself and easily breaking out of Edo Hashirama's technique even though he could not do that before as an Edo.

      Even now Sasuke also has many many Ninjutsu and with all his mangekyo techniques I think that he isn't far away from Nagato I actuallly think that he's stronger than Nagato NAruto is just an idiot who can only spam his rasengan and nothing more without Kurama he would be nothing (and he wouldn't be so fast and strong without kuramana or the six paths technique) well I think if Sasuke gets the Rinne paths because of his Rinnegan his rinne techniques will be much stronger than Nagatos (because these weren't even Nagatos own eyes) and he would also have more rinne techniques like limbo or some new ones but only IF he would get access to them

      As much as its true he wouldnt be near as strong if he didn't have kurama but he also mastered sage mode. It seems that you hate how Naruto uses the power of the biju but he's a jinchuriki. It should be what you expect. But if you wanna go there Sasuke would've been blind if he didn't get Itachi eyes which didn't belong to him like kurama don't belong to Naruto. And going from what we've seen so far from Sasuke's rinnegan power and Nagato's I'd say Nagato put in better work. Yes it wasn't Nagato's eyes so he wouldn't be as strong as the owner but that could just mean if the user maatered it. Someonbe coulkd have the ability but not the skill as such.


      I don't really hate Naruto but I actually hate the idea of an underdog who surpasses the genius by hard training

      well if the underdog keeps training like an idiot and the genius stops at some point yes the underdog could surpass him but the genius (in this case Sasuke) wasn't stopping he also was training all the time(not like an idiot because a genius soesn't need the same amount of training)

      the other thing is that the only technique Naruto has is his Rasengan and his clone (the clones actually everybody could use them especially sasuke with his sharingan who could copy it if he wanted to) And the only thing Naruto mastered by himself was Sage mode everything else is because of the Bijuus and their chakra

      but its like Ashura and Indra = indra the one who was a genius and could do anything alone and Ashura who at first needed the help of others to acomplish something and then later gets stronger

      If Naruto is spamming the rasengan, then you cannot deny that Sasuke is spamming Susanno ever since he got it. Sure Naruto is constantly using rasengan, but at least he is mixing it up with different nature transformation. Sasuke, on the other hand, is constantly just attacking Kaguya with his sword, like seriously, if you cannot touch her without transforming into a humongous ass freaking Susanno that can easily be dodged or countered, then maybe you should just sit out for a while.

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    • I wonder if naruto can use asura's battle avatar

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    • Jtw2014 wrote:

      ShaRin'negan94 wrote:

      Rachin123 wrote:

      ShaRin'negan94 wrote:

      ItachiWasAHero wrote: You also forget Nagato was not used to his legs and was still crippled when Kabuto restored him using Bee's chakra and had him almost kill Bee and Naruto.. Nagato is a monster and has mastered the 7 paths and many many other ninjutsu, Sasuke has a long way to go before he gets to Nagato's level, PLOT armor and PLOT killing is what stopped Nagato.. a crippled Nagato was Kabuto's second Strongest Edo Tensei, Itachi was his third Strongest Edo Tensei and Madara with all of his enhancements: wood release, rinnegan and Kabuto somehow making him in his prime WITH all of those enhancements, Made him Kabuto's Strongest Edo Tensei.. and they were all still a good bit weaker than if they were actually brought back to life as shown with Madara reviving himself and easily breaking out of Edo Hashirama's technique even though he could not do that before as an Edo.

      Even now Sasuke also has many many Ninjutsu and with all his mangekyo techniques I think that he isn't far away from Nagato I actuallly think that he's stronger than Nagato NAruto is just an idiot who can only spam his rasengan and nothing more without Kurama he would be nothing (and he wouldn't be so fast and strong without kuramana or the six paths technique) well I think if Sasuke gets the Rinne paths because of his Rinnegan his rinne techniques will be much stronger than Nagatos (because these weren't even Nagatos own eyes) and he would also have more rinne techniques like limbo or some new ones but only IF he would get access to them

      As much as its true he wouldnt be near as strong if he didn't have kurama but he also mastered sage mode. It seems that you hate how Naruto uses the power of the biju but he's a jinchuriki. It should be what you expect. But if you wanna go there Sasuke would've been blind if he didn't get Itachi eyes which didn't belong to him like kurama don't belong to Naruto. And going from what we've seen so far from Sasuke's rinnegan power and Nagato's I'd say Nagato put in better work. Yes it wasn't Nagato's eyes so he wouldn't be as strong as the owner but that could just mean if the user maatered it. Someonbe coulkd have the ability but not the skill as such.


      I don't really hate Naruto but I actually hate the idea of an underdog who surpasses the genius by hard training

      well if the underdog keeps training like an idiot and the genius stops at some point yes the underdog could surpass him but the genius (in this case Sasuke) wasn't stopping he also was training all the time(not like an idiot because a genius soesn't need the same amount of training)

      the other thing is that the only technique Naruto has is his Rasengan and his clone (the clones actually everybody could use them especially sasuke with his sharingan who could copy it if he wanted to) And the only thing Naruto mastered by himself was Sage mode everything else is because of the Bijuus and their chakra

      but its like Ashura and Indra = indra the one who was a genius and could do anything alone and Ashura who at first needed the help of others to acomplish something and then later gets stronger

      If Naruto is spamming the rasengan, then you cannot deny that Sasuke is spamming Susanno ever since he got it. Sure Naruto is constantly using rasengan, but at least he is mixing it up with different nature transformation. Sasuke, on the other hand, is constantly just attacking Kaguya with his sword, like seriously, if you cannot touch her without transforming into a humongous ass freaking Susanno that can easily be dodged or countered, then maybe you should just sit out for a while.

      Once again, It's really all Naruto's got. Sasuke can't really combine Susano'o with anything else, other than his Amaterasu. And about Kaguya, he's only just managed to get an arm off and that's with all his power. So don't go around stating indirectly that Sasuke is dirt because he can't make a bloody bomb in his hand.

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    • Jtw2014 wrote:

      ShaRin'negan94 wrote:

      Rachin123 wrote:

      ShaRin'negan94 wrote:

      ItachiWasAHero wrote: You also forget Nagato was not used to his legs and was still crippled when Kabuto restored him using Bee's chakra and had him almost kill Bee and Naruto.. Nagato is a monster and has mastered the 7 paths and many many other ninjutsu, Sasuke has a long way to go before he gets to Nagato's level, PLOT armor and PLOT killing is what stopped Nagato.. a crippled Nagato was Kabuto's second Strongest Edo Tensei, Itachi was his third Strongest Edo Tensei and Madara with all of his enhancements: wood release, rinnegan and Kabuto somehow making him in his prime WITH all of those enhancements, Made him Kabuto's Strongest Edo Tensei.. and they were all still a good bit weaker than if they were actually brought back to life as shown with Madara reviving himself and easily breaking out of Edo Hashirama's technique even though he could not do that before as an Edo.

      Even now Sasuke also has many many Ninjutsu and with all his mangekyo techniques I think that he isn't far away from Nagato I actuallly think that he's stronger than Nagato NAruto is just an idiot who can only spam his rasengan and nothing more without Kurama he would be nothing (and he wouldn't be so fast and strong without kuramana or the six paths technique) well I think if Sasuke gets the Rinne paths because of his Rinnegan his rinne techniques will be much stronger than Nagatos (because these weren't even Nagatos own eyes) and he would also have more rinne techniques like limbo or some new ones but only IF he would get access to them

      As much as its true he wouldnt be near as strong if he didn't have kurama but he also mastered sage mode. It seems that you hate how Naruto uses the power of the biju but he's a jinchuriki. It should be what you expect. But if you wanna go there Sasuke would've been blind if he didn't get Itachi eyes which didn't belong to him like kurama don't belong to Naruto. And going from what we've seen so far from Sasuke's rinnegan power and Nagato's I'd say Nagato put in better work. Yes it wasn't Nagato's eyes so he wouldn't be as strong as the owner but that could just mean if the user maatered it. Someonbe coulkd have the ability but not the skill as such.


      I don't really hate Naruto but I actually hate the idea of an underdog who surpasses the genius by hard training

      well if the underdog keeps training like an idiot and the genius stops at some point yes the underdog could surpass him but the genius (in this case Sasuke) wasn't stopping he also was training all the time(not like an idiot because a genius soesn't need the same amount of training)

      the other thing is that the only technique Naruto has is his Rasengan and his clone (the clones actually everybody could use them especially sasuke with his sharingan who could copy it if he wanted to) And the only thing Naruto mastered by himself was Sage mode everything else is because of the Bijuus and their chakra

      but its like Ashura and Indra = indra the one who was a genius and could do anything alone and Ashura who at first needed the help of others to acomplish something and then later gets stronger

      If Naruto is spamming the rasengan, then you cannot deny that Sasuke is spamming Susanno ever since he got it. Sure Naruto is constantly using rasengan, but at least he is mixing it up with different nature transformation. Sasuke, on the other hand, is constantly just attacking Kaguya with his sword, like seriously, if you cannot touch her without transforming into a humongous ass freaking Susanno that can easily be dodged or countered, then maybe you should just sit out for a while.


      well you can't really compare rasengan and susanoo. Suasnoo is more like the Bijuu mode for Sasuke (the cloak) rasengan is compareable to chidori

      I like Sasuke way more than Naruto which doesn't mean I hate Naruto, he is still with Kakashi and Itachi one of my favorite characters it's more the underdog and genius story which annoys me !!!!!

      I mean back when Naruto found Sasuke for the first time after this 2,5 years Sasuke was stronger than NAruto, Sai, Sakura, and Yamato together (he was faster stronger and had better techniques) without having a MAngekyo then NAruto learns the Rasenshuriken which is indeed a strong technique but doesn't affect Narutos physical strength or speed and is only one technique which could be dodged

      so still Sasuke is superior to Naruto (because one single technique doesn't make you a god, it can be dodged and so on)

      then naruto learns Sage Mode and Sasuke gets the Mangekyo so both get a power boost and still Sasuke SHOULD be stronger than Naruto because of his Amaterasu his Susanoo and his genjutsu (and from the speed and strength level they are equal now)

      and then NAruto only gets stronger by help from the Bijuus (Kyubi Chakra Mode + Bijuu Mode) and well okay Sasuke gets the eyes of his brother = EMS (but he's already dead and it would be a waste not to use them) = But as seen in the war the were equal then.

      and then both get a power up from Hagoromo and now from what is shown in the manga NARUTO IS JUST GOT MUCH MUCH STRONGER THAN SASUKE => WHEN did this happen ? OR WHY is he so much stronger ?

      all the time Naruto was weaker than Sasuke and now he is (from what is shown) much much stronger than Sasuke, which is kind of stupid and not logical or fair. Both have the same number of power ups but it seems that Naruto's power ups are always somehow better or make him much stronger than Sasuke's power ups do

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    • The reason Naruto is "stronger" is because he has Tailed Beasts to assist him. Their power isn't Naruto's own though, in my opinion anyway.

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    • @ShaRin'negan94 I'm bored so I'm gonna dissect your entire comment. Rejoice. My comments will be in bold.

      "well you can't really compare rasengan and susanoo. Suasnoo is more like the Bijuu mode for Sasuke (the cloak) rasengan is compareable to chidori" True

      "I like Sasuke way more than Naruto which doesn't mean I hate Naruto, he is still with Kakashi and Itachi one of my favorite characters it's more the underdog and genius story which annoys me !!!!!" I can already see where this is going.

      "I mean back when Naruto found Sasuke for the first time after this 2,5 years Sasuke was stronger than NAruto, Sai, Sakura, and Yamato together (he was faster stronger and had better techniques) without having a MAngekyo then NAruto learns the Rasenshuriken which is indeed a strong technique but doesn't affect Narutos physical strength or speed and is only one technique which could be dodged" Naruto learned the Rasenshuriken in what was basically a direct response to him getting rekt'd by Sasuke during that arc. Now if Naruto did use that on Sasuke, he would have been paste. Of course that depends if Naruto could even get to Sasuke to use that because Kirin is a beast technique as well. That said, the scale was more or less even until Sasuke got the Mangekyo and Naruto learned Sage Mode.

      "so still Sasuke is superior to Naruto (because one single technique doesn't make you a god, it can be dodged and so on)" Yes, prior to Sage Mode/Mangekyo upgrades, Sasuke was superior to Naruto. Then Sage Mode/Mangekyo happened.

      "then naruto learns Sage Mode and Sasuke gets the Mangekyo so both get a power boost and still Sasuke SHOULD be stronger than Naruto because of his Amaterasu his Susanoo and his genjutsu (and from the speed and strength level they are equal now)" Sage Mode puts Naruto above Sasuke for the sole reason that Naruto doesn't actually have to land a hit. Sasuke could dodge Naruto all day and still be pummeled by the natural energy. Susanoo would help of course, but that can be broken into. Sasuke's best course of action would be to nuke Naruto from a distance with Blaze Release arrows, and Naruto can still fight back with Rasenshurikens. I would give the edge to Naruto.

      "and then NAruto only gets stronger by help from the Bijuus (Kyubi Chakra Mode + Bijuu Mode) and well okay Sasuke gets the eyes of his brother = EMS (but he's already dead and it would be a waste not to use them) = But as seen in the war the were equal then." Indeed. Once Naruto stops ignoring the giant mass of chakra in his gut, he gets absolutely stupid. Add in Kurama and a battle between Naruto and Sasuke just get's dumb. Thankfully, Sasuke gets the Eternal Mangekyo so that puts them back on equal footing. But then Naruto can add Sage Mode to Tailed Beast Mode as well, and once again Sasuke just starts to get rek't.

      "and then both get a power up from Hagoromo and now from what is shown in the manga NARUTO IS JUST GOT MUCH MUCH STRONGER THAN SASUKE => WHEN did this happen ? OR WHY is he so much stronger ?" To be fair, Sasuke was like that before they met Hagoromo, when Naruto was doing all this crazy stuff against Ten-Tailed Obito. Adding Hagoromo and all nine of the tailed beasts in Naruto, and Sasuke is again paste. The power of a guy surrounded by friends and allies is greater than a guy with very awesome eyes, as the manga tends to say.

      "all the time Naruto was weaker than Sasuke and now he is (from what is shown) much much stronger than Sasuke, which is kind of stupid and not logical or fair. Both have the same number of power ups but it seems that Naruto's power ups are always somehow better or make him much stronger than Sasuke's power ups do" Which is basically the point of manga, or at least major points of what has happened and backstory. Remember, Hagoromo chose Asura as his successor because Asura had to work hard and form bonds with other people to get power rivaling his genius brother. Naruto in turn has his friends in the village and more closer to home the nine demons in his gut, with the overall point being 'You are stronger when you are surrounded by others instead of standing alone' or some junk.

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    • TheUltimate3 wrote: @ShaRin'negan94 I'm bored so I'm gonna dissect your entire comment. Rejoice. My comments will be in bold.

      "well you can't really compare rasengan and susanoo. Suasnoo is more like the Bijuu mode for Sasuke (the cloak) rasengan is compareable to chidori" True

      "I like Sasuke way more than Naruto which doesn't mean I hate Naruto, he is still with Kakashi and Itachi one of my favorite characters it's more the underdog and genius story which annoys me !!!!!" I can already see where this is going.

      "I mean back when Naruto found Sasuke for the first time after this 2,5 years Sasuke was stronger than NAruto, Sai, Sakura, and Yamato together (he was faster stronger and had better techniques) without having a MAngekyo then NAruto learns the Rasenshuriken which is indeed a strong technique but doesn't affect Narutos physical strength or speed and is only one technique which could be dodged" Naruto learned the Rasenshuriken in what was basically a direct response to him getting rekt'd by Sasuke during that arc. Now if Naruto did use that on Sasuke, he would have been paste. Of course that depends if Naruto could even get to Sasuke to use that because Kirin is a beast technique as well. That said, the scale was more or less even until Sasuke got the Mangekyo and Naruto learned Sage Mode.

      "so still Sasuke is superior to Naruto (because one single technique doesn't make you a god, it can be dodged and so on)" Yes, prior to Sage Mode/Mangekyo upgrades, Sasuke was superior to Naruto. Then Sage Mode/Mangekyo happened.

      "then naruto learns Sage Mode and Sasuke gets the Mangekyo so both get a power boost and still Sasuke SHOULD be stronger than Naruto because of his Amaterasu his Susanoo and his genjutsu (and from the speed and strength level they are equal now)" Sage Mode puts Naruto above Sasuke for the sole reason that Naruto doesn't actually have to land a hit. Sasuke could dodge Naruto all day and still be pummeled by the natural energy. Susanoo would help of course, but that can be broken into. Sasuke's best course of action would be to nuke Naruto from a distance with Blaze Release arrows, and Naruto can still fight back with Rasenshurikens. I would give the edge to Naruto.

      "and then NAruto only gets stronger by help from the Bijuus (Kyubi Chakra Mode + Bijuu Mode) and well okay Sasuke gets the eyes of his brother = EMS (but he's already dead and it would be a waste not to use them) = But as seen in the war the were equal then." Indeed. Once Naruto stops ignoring the giant mass of chakra in his gut, he gets absolutely stupid. Add in Kurama and a battle between Naruto and Sasuke just get's dumb. Thankfully, Sasuke gets the Eternal Mangekyo so that puts them back on equal footing. But then Naruto can add Sage Mode to Tailed Beast Mode as well, and once again Sasuke just starts to get rek't.

      "and then both get a power up from Hagoromo and now from what is shown in the manga NARUTO IS JUST GOT MUCH MUCH STRONGER THAN SASUKE => WHEN did this happen ? OR WHY is he so much stronger ?" To be fair, Sasuke was like that before they met Hagoromo, when Naruto was doing all this crazy stuff against Ten-Tailed Obito. Adding Hagoromo and all nine of the tailed beasts in Naruto, and Sasuke is again paste. The power of a guy surrounded by friends and allies is greater than a guy with very awesome eyes, as the manga tends to say.

      "all the time Naruto was weaker than Sasuke and now he is (from what is shown) much much stronger than Sasuke, which is kind of stupid and not logical or fair. Both have the same number of power ups but it seems that Naruto's power ups are always somehow better or make him much stronger than Sasuke's power ups do" Which is basically the point of manga, or at least major points of what has happened and backstory. Remember, Hagoromo chose Asura as his successor because Asura had to work hard and form bonds with other people to get power rivaling his genius brother. Naruto in turn has his friends in the village and more closer to home the nine demons in his gut, with the overall point being 'You are stronger when you are surrounded by others instead of standing alone' or some junk.

      Well done, great job. I mean, "Is Naruto stronger than Sasuke?" even a question? I don't like it but it's true, all you have to do is look at Naruto.

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    • @TheUltimate 3

      well actually you agreed with almost everything what i said ^^

      1.the first thing with the rasenshuriken being a response to the superior Sasuke is true but one single technique doesn't make you equal to someone who is in every term stronger than you

      2.the only thing you disagreed was the Sage Naruto vs MS Sasuke, well I still think that Sasuke would be stronger because NAruto couldn't dodge for example Amaterasu and in would be very hard to avoid the Susanoo arrow (which KAkashi could only dodge by using Kamui) and the rasenshuriken is way slower than the arrow and a black flame (would only get stronger by the Raenshuriken)

      3. during the war they were equal then NAruto combined Bijuu mode with Sage mode and he was stronger = yes But Sasuke also combined his Susanoo with the Sennin chakra of Jug so with this they are again euqal and the other thing is that when you watch the manga Sasuke didn't use the Armored Susanoo, he only used the Arrow Susanoo (the 2nd form and not the 3rd form which he showed against Kakashi and against the few Zetsus)

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    • 4. I know that his is the story and somewhere else or in a other Forum I also wrote this Hagoromo/indra/ashura thing

      but still both got the same number of power ups and still Naruto's power ups always seem to be better than Sasukes power ups (because he could catch up to Sasuke and surpass him) They should be equal and not that one is stronger than the other that's what I wanted to say = I don't want Sasuke to be stronger neither Naruto should be stronger in my opinion (but the show is called NARUTO so..... )!!!!

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    • @ShaRin'negan94: Remember that Obito sensed Sasuke's gathering Chakra in his eye to use Amaterasu. Nagato as well, was able to feel Itachi gathering Chakra in his eye for what he thought would be Amaterasu. Naruto in Sage Mode is able to sense Chakra, so Amaterasu won't work on him. Also remember, that Kabuto, a Sage like Naruto, is able to sense danger faster by utilizing Natural Energy that surround his body to evade Susanoo's arrows.

      Also this is just me but Sasuke with Juugo's Senjutsu chakra doesn't make him equal to Sage Tailed Beast Mode Naruto. Naruto using Senjustu is different than Sasuke who is borrowing it from Juugo.

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    • Obito and NAgato both had Sharingan or Rinnegan so it is logical that they can scan you with it

      it wasn'T shown how detailed Naruto's chakra senses are (if he can only sense the whole body chakra or chakra which is gathering arount somenes eyes)

      Sasukes arrows are quite faster than Naruto could ever move in Sage Mode even if he could predict that Sasuke is up to an attack Sasuke arrow would be much faster than naruto (when he reacts at the same time the arrow is released) (and when he reacts before Sasuke releases the arrow, Sasuke could see Naruto's movements and shoot at the predicted area)

      yes the usage of senjutsu is different but i gave 2 possible power ups to Sasuke with which he would be equal to Naruto in his Sage Bijuu Mode (Susanoo with Juugo and Armored Susanoo)

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    • As far as I remember, Obito said that he could SENSE the Chakra building up in Sasuke's eye. And Nagatowas like: this feeling.... Amaterasu. It is clear that they didn't use there eyes to know that.

      Sage Mode grants its user the ability to feel danger, that is by feeling anything that enter the Natural Energy that surround the body. Kabuto did evade Susanoo's arrow by this method, Naruto could do the same as he demonstrated against the Third Raikage. And what do you mean Naruto cannot react to the arrow? that where Sage Mode butt in. And Sasuke would predict Naruto's movement and then fire the arrow. The Sharingan doesn't give such power.

      About Juugo, I just meant that borrowing Senjutsu is different that making it yourself.

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    • I already agreed to the Senjutsu thing that they are different

      Well as seen in the old Naruto vs Sasuke fight where Sasuke only got 2 tomoe Sharingan he couldn't catch up to the movements of Naruto with 1 tail after gettin 3tomoe Sharingan Naruto' movements were like slow motion to him and he could easily dodge them it's the same when Kakash can copy techniques from the enemy and doing them at the same speed as the user and even (predict) the next seals so he can acutally finish the copied jutsu first

      with predict i meant that because of the Sharingan he could see how Naruto moves (like in slow motion) and with the Sharingan and a bit intelligence he can actually see where NAruto is running and can predict his next moves)

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    • Then why didn't Sasuke predict Kabuto's evading the Arrow?

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    • and i didn't said that naruto couldn't react to the techniques I just said that it would be very very difficult because of the reasons i mentioned above

      and the thing with the raikage is something different becauce he knew exactly what the raikage was doing, the raikage was approaching towards him with his one finger chidori like attack and naruto had a plan to dodge it in the last second it's something different

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    • MERCURIOUS wrote: Then why didn't Sasuke predict Kabuto's evading the Arrow?


      well I think that every Ninja has something like a plan ok what is when he dodges it and what is when he moves right or if he jumps or something and when he does this I do this and that

      and I didn't said that the Sharingan grants you future vision it only grants to see the movements of the enemy like they are in slow motion so you can dodge them or attack instead with predict i meant because of that that you can see his movements in slow motion and that you can see every little muscle movement you can predict (with some intelligent) where or what he's up to (like it's 68% that he jumps now ; or something like that

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    • Both One-Finger Nukite and the Arrow are straight attack, it;s just that the Arrow is faster. And Naruto can evade it just like Kabuto did, since Sage Mode provide the same advantage for both of them. Althoughm its a fact that the Sharingan provide its user a form of predictive ability, its not something perfect. Predicting Naruto's movement from a long distance, isn't possible.

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    • MERCURIOUS wrote: Both One-Finger Nukite and the Arrow are straight attack, it;s just that the Arrow is faster. And Naruto can evade it just like Kabuto did, since Sage Mode provide the same advantage for both of them. Althoughm its a fact that the Sharingan provide its user a form of predictive ability, its not something perfect. Predicting Naruto's movement from a long distance, isn't possible.

      Yes both attack are straight attack but there is a difference of how they were used in that moment Sasuke mostly manifest the arrow and shot it very quickly (like somebody puts out a bow and arrow and shot it at you) and as seen with the raikage he was approaching with the one finger nukite like an hour evrey idiot could see him using this technique (somebody stands 10 meters away from you and wants to punch you with his fist already in the air ....)

      I thing that the distance is irrelevant if Naruto would stand right before him or if he would stand 400m away from him (it only matters if he can't or barely can see him but what kind of a fight would that be ?^^)

      I only said that it would be very difficult for Naruto to dodge the arrow or the Amaterasu and it would also be very difficult for Naruto to break throught Susanoo (and it's not impossible for somebody to hit a Senjutsu user also Pain pinned down Naruto with his rods and they weren't as fast as the suasnoo arrow ^^

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    • Naruto noted the Third Raikage is as fast as the Fourth Raikage who is the fastest Shinobi alive after Minato. That's why I compared him with the arrows made by Susanoo, since they both are fast.

      As you know the predictive ability of the Sharingan is based on the muscle movement, but the Sharingan doesn't give its user the ability to see far distances like the Byakugan. Therefore Sasuke cannot see Naruto's muscle movement from afar.

      Naruto wasn't in Sage Mode when Pain pinned him down.

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    • MERCURIOUS wrote: Naruto noted the Third Raikage is as fast as the Fourth Raikage who is the fastest Shinobi alive after Minato. That's why I compared him with the arrows made by Susanoo, since they both are fast.

      As you know the predictive ability of the Sharingan is based on the muscle movement, but the Sharingan doesn't give its user the ability to see far distances like the Byakugan. Therefore Sasuke cannot see Naruto's muscle movement from afar.

      Naruto wasn't in Sage Mode when Pain pinned him down.


      I mean Naruto and Sasuke are both close to midrange Ninjas so the distance is irrelevant for Sasuke's Sharingan (because they are not far away from each other and with the Sharingan he has better visual abilities and so on

      the other thing was just an example that a Senjutsu user isn't invincible and that you can hit him well on the fight against Pain he got also hitted when he was in Sage mode and when he was in Sage Bijuu mode he also got hit by Obito

      so he can avoid the arrow but it would be very difficullt and this conversation with you was because of my theory or my opinion i wrote in the post a few hours ago that Sage NAruto vs MS Sasuke i think that Sasuke would win

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    • its simple.senju are stronger than uchiha.the strongest uchiha(madara) was not stronger than hashirama.for sasuke to be stronger than naruto,he will have to bite naruto,steal a piece of his flesh,and integrate it into his body just like madara.dis is all kishi's making.

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    • I don't know what the problem is. Sasuke in a way has always been somewhat stronger than Naruto and when Naruto gets ahead people want to get all defensive. Naruto's a jinchuriki so why do people always say oh he's using kurama? Nobody said anything when Sasuke go it doped up and got the curse mark. And Sasuke only kept up with Naruto because the curse mark did provide him speed and power as he was able to punch Naruto with which wasn't his normal strength a great distance. Naruto later finally gets a nature release unlike you know Sasuke who had not one but two in part 1 and was able to train over 3 years to better his capabilities with his techniques. Then sage mode. Sage mode does give you an incredible boost in power. In my opinion Naruto has the power and Sasuke has more of the skill. As for susanoo I'm sure if Naruto can stop and easily through who know how many ton giant rhino he can crack or damage susanoo. The susanoo arrow is somewhat fast but its huge and its not like it has to move that fast. He has the sensing danger and can react and dodge Amaterasu and The arrows. I'm not saying every single time or that Sasuke won't come close to hitting him. As of now Naruto seems to be superior to Sasuke.

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    • Uchiha oshoke wrote: its simple.senju are stronger than uchiha.the strongest uchiha(madara) was not stronger than hashirama.for sasuke to be stronger than naruto,he will have to bite naruto,steal a piece of his flesh,and integrate it into his body just like madara.dis is all kishi's making.

      The Senjus and Uchiha are equal they were alway fighting against each other equaly only after Hashirama took over the lead they were stronger because of him. Hashirama and his brothr Tobirama are the only Senju who have outstanding abilities (actually Hashirma is more outstanding) and Hashirama is I don't know why the only person in existence who ever got the Mokuton, which is also no Senju technique So being a Senju or a Uchiha is not everything (the ones are the eys the others the body/chakra)

      (the Uzumaki are not the real Senjus only descendants or relatives but not really Senjus

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    • Rachin123 wrote: I don't know what the problem is. Sasuke in a way has always been somewhat stronger than Naruto and when Naruto gets ahead people want to get all defensive. Naruto's a jinchuriki so why do people always say oh he's using kurama? Nobody said anything when Sasuke go it doped up and got the curse mark. And Sasuke only kept up with Naruto because the curse mark did provide him speed and power as he was able to punch Naruto with which wasn't his normal strength a great distance. Naruto later finally gets a nature release unlike you know Sasuke who had not one but two in part 1 and was able to train over 3 years to better his capabilities with his techniques. Then sage mode. Sage mode does give you an incredible boost in power. In my opinion Naruto has the power and Sasuke has more of the skill. As for susanoo I'm sure if Naruto can stop and easily through who know how many ton giant rhino he can crack or damage susanoo. The susanoo arrow is somewhat fast but its huge and its not like it has to move that fast. He has the sensing danger and can react and dodge Amaterasu and The arrows. I'm not saying every single time or that Sasuke won't come close to hitting him. As of now Naruto seems to be superior to Sasuke.


      I have no problem with Naruto using Kurama or the Bijuus and yes at what is shown now Naruto is definitively stronger than Sasuke

      THE only thing what is unfair or not logical is that both Naruto and Sasuke got the same NUMBER of Power ups so out of logic they should be either way equal or Sasuke should be stronger because he was from the start of stronger than Naruto (and with the same number of power ups he should be stronger)

      Naruto (at the beginning weaker) + (Rasenshuriken, acually only one technique which doesn't make you stronger in all terms) + Sage Mode + Kurama (KCM or Bijuu Mode) + Sage Bijuu Mode + Hagoromo power up => 4 (or 5) power ups

      Sasuke (at the beginning stronger) + MS + EMS + Juugo Senjutsu or Susanoo Armored Mode (well in the war he was only using the 2nd stage of Susanoo ) + Hagoromo power up => 4 power ups

      So both got the same number of power ups but Naruto's power ups seem to be better or stronger because he could even surpass Sasuke who was at the start stronger with the same number of power ups

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    • Well did you ever think that it wasn't fair that technically Naruto was weaker excluding kurama to Sasuke throughtout part 1. Naruto gets sage mode which again is a great power boost and with that mode can give even Sasuke a run for his money and gained a new technique. In my opinion sage modemade up for the years Naruto wasn't able to train or manifest in special powers or gifts unlike Sasuke. People always complain that its not fair for Sasuke? Fair, Sasuke has gotten more than fair treatment when you actually think about it. Maybe they are around the same level now but who are to say they really are or not. We have to go on what we see and sadly Sasuke isn't making the cut compared to Naruto.

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    • Rachin123 wrote: Well did you ever think that it wasn't fair that technically Naruto was weaker excluding kurama to Sasuke throughtout part 1. Naruto gets sage mode which again is a great power boost and with that mode can give even Sasuke a run for his money and gained a new technique. In my opinion sage modemade up for the years Naruto wasn't able to train or manifest in special powers or gifts unlike Sasuke. People always complain that its not fair for Sasuke? Fair, Sasuke has gotten more than fair treatment when you actually think about it. Maybe they are around the same level now but who are to say they really are or not. We have to go on what we see and sadly Sasuke isn't making the cut compared to Naruto.


      All i said was only my opinion you are of course free to think whatever you want But it can't be actually unfair that sasuke was stronger than Naruto in part 1 so was Neji because it is the story of an underdog and a genius and then the underdog catches up and so on and so on


      the only thing (if didn't read my previous posts) I don't like is this underdog/genius storyline

      and that the sage mode made up for the years he wasn't able to train or manifest special abilities is actually stupid because NOBODY or NOTHING hindered him in doing so he was training with Jiraya all this time exactly how Sasuke was training with Orochimaru all this time

      And i actually like both so I would like that both are or will end up equaly strong

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    • ShaRin'negan94 wrote:

      Rachin123 wrote: Well did you ever think that it wasn't fair that technically Naruto was weaker excluding kurama to Sasuke throughtout part 1. Naruto gets sage mode which again is a great power boost and with that mode can give even Sasuke a run for his money and gained a new technique. In my opinion sage modemade up for the years Naruto wasn't able to train or manifest in special powers or gifts unlike Sasuke. People always complain that its not fair for Sasuke? Fair, Sasuke has gotten more than fair treatment when you actually think about it. Maybe they are around the same level now but who are to say they really are or not. We have to go on what we see and sadly Sasuke isn't making the cut compared to Naruto.


      All i said was only my opinion you are of course free to think whatever you want But it can't be actually unfair that sasuke was stronger than Naruto in part 1 so was Neji because it is the story of an underdog and a genius and then the underdog catches up and so on and so on


      the only thing (if didn't read my previous posts) I don't like is this underdog/genius storyline

      and that the sage mode made up for the years he wasn't able to train or manifest special abilities is actually stupid because NOBODY or NOTHING hindered him in doing so he was training with Jiraya all this time exactly how Sasuke was training with Orochimaru all this time

      And i actually like both so I would like that both are or will end up equaly strong

      You forget the fact that Jiraiya is kind of a bad trainer. Naruto obviously didn't have much skill in taijutsu and even less in genjutsu so ninjutsu would best for him but comes back from 3 years with nothing much improved. It would have been cool if he came back with wind release nature and he created some jutsus but that's not the case. Later in Shippuden he gained a few powers besides in the Shinobi World arc. I only said that as the main character of the series his rival was better than him no matter how much Naruto trained he was better so I found that to be messed up. Naruto uses kurama to help him. He's a JINCHURIKI for crying out loud. And as for you saying that nothing hindered him from getting stronger. Are you kidding Sasuke had it made while Naruto barely got trained. I'm not taking sides but I'm pointing out the truth as you seem to only look at Sasuke's point if view. Idk you can believe what you want but look at both sides.

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      You forget the fact that Jiraiya is kind of a bad trainer. Naruto obviously didn't have much skill in taijutsu and even less in genjutsu so ninjutsu would best for him but comes back from 3 years with nothing much improved. It would have been cool if he came back with wind release nature and he created some jutsus but that's not the case. Later in Shippuden he gained a few powers besides in the Shinobi World arc. I only said that as the main character of the series his rival was better than him no matter how much Naruto trained he was better so I found that to be messed up. Naruto uses kurama to help him. He's a JINCHURIKI for crying out loud. And as for you saying that nothing hindered him from getting stronger. Are you kidding Sasuke had it made while Naruto barely got trained. I'm not taking sides but I'm pointing out the truth as you seem to only look at Sasuke's point if view. Idk you can believe what you want but look at both sides.


      Jiraya may be a not so good teacher but he also trained Nagato, Yahiko and Konan and it worked out very good with them so.... ^^

      well with naruto he was more distracted but he could trian him all the way he wanted (Naruto also learned the Rasengan in 1 week or so with Jiraya also being some of the time distracted)

      And Orochimaru is also very distracted because of his thousands of studies and projects and so on and he can't show Sasuke any jutsus (he had to explain them to him) because of his hands so
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    • @ShaRin'negan94 First off Orochimaru had his arms back he used some other genni pig. Secondly I'll give you that both Jiraiya and Orochimaru could haey been distracted in some cases but Orochimaru also had Kabuto to assist so if he didn't do it he would. As for the Ame Orphans yes they became strong individuals later on after. They all had something about them that made them who they were. Jiraiya didn't really seek into Naruto to see what his talent was. So...

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    • Rachin123 wrote: @ShaRin'negan94 First off Orochimaru had his arms back he used some other genni pig. Secondly I'll give you that both Jiraiya and Orochimaru could haey been distracted in some cases but Orochimaru also had Kabuto to assist so if he didn't do it he would. As for the Ame Orphans yes they became strong individuals later on after. They all had something about them that made them who they were. Jiraiya didn't really seek into Naruto to see what his talent was. So...


      well when Jiraya met the ame orphans they couldn't fight like a Ninja (nin-, tai-, genjutsu) and after he left them they were quite strong and were able to perfom varius ninjutsu and so on and i think that Jirayas was trying to only concentrate on NAruto's Rasengan but I don't know why he should have ignored NAruto (or didn't want to see in his talent as he is the son of his student with which he had something like a fasther son relationship and so on.....)

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    • ShaRin'negan94 wrote:

      Rachin123 wrote: @ShaRin'negan94 First off Orochimaru had his arms back he used some other genni pig. Secondly I'll give you that both Jiraiya and Orochimaru could haey been distracted in some cases but Orochimaru also had Kabuto to assist so if he didn't do it he would. As for the Ame Orphans yes they became strong individuals later on after. They all had something about them that made them who they were. Jiraiya didn't really seek into Naruto to see what his talent was. So...


      well when Jiraya met the ame orphans they couldn't fight like a Ninja (nin-, tai-, genjutsu) and after he left them they were quite strong and were able to perfom varius ninjutsu and so on and i think that Jirayas was trying to only concentrate on NAruto's Rasengan but I don't know why he should have ignored NAruto (or didn't want to see in his talent as he is the son of his student with which he had something like a fasther son relationship and so on.....)

      Well we don't know if they were quite strong but that they can handle themselves and they trained on their talents. What Jiraiya did with Naruto was try and make him like himself or his father which is nothing wrong with that but still. Its not like Jiraiya even taught him much. Jiraiya had these toad techniques and Naruto didn't have them. This could've also been because Kishi didn't think of the techniques yet. Collaboration techniques with your summoning which was only shown in the anime filler with Naruto but its not like he used it and other cases. Sasuke learned of Orochimaru's snake techniques. This brings me back to Jiraiya not being such a good teacher. He's great but that doesn't necessarily mean your good at teaching. Anyways Naruto wasn't very good so he used kurama so what. If Sasuke no offense was so great normally he wouldn't rely on the Sharingan or MS most of the time. I know its his but its upgrade and though kuramna isn't Naruto's power its an upgrade. Its whatever though. People are going to be people.

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    • I just hope that they end up equal that would be fair to everyone and actually a good ending for their match ^^

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    • I guess thatd be fine that they'd be equal but I rather see Naruto superior. Its only fair seeing how Sasuke was most of the time better than him.

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    • You all forget that when he came back from Amegakure he was assigned as Jonin Sensei to his own team and then took special interest in one student on his team, Minato.. and trained him personally and look how Minato turned out.

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    • ItachiWasAHero wrote: You all forget that when he came back from Amegakure he was assigned as Jonin Sensei to his own team and then took special interest in one student on his team, Minato.. and trained him personally and look how Minato turned out.

      that would actually strengthen my argument that both sasuke's and NAruto's were both nearly equaly good or bad as teACHER

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    • Rachin123 wrote: I guess thatd be fine that they'd be equal but I rather see Naruto superior. Its only fair seeing how Sasuke was most of the time better than him.

      I meant in a FINAL FINAL FINAL BATTLE between them both who knows if after Naruto Shippuuden there comes a new Naruto series when NAruto is Hokage or something like that you know They should end up equal (it would be ok if naruto beats sasuke or something and in their last battle they are equal again or something liek that) ^^ maybe so both dont have a grudge against each other (like seen both of them doesn't like it when the other shows a new strong technique or power...)

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    • Why does everyone think they're going to fight? As of now (Part II), there is no logical reasoning to back up a fight between the two.

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    • EternalMangekyoSharinnegan wrote: Why does everyone think they're going to fight? As of now (Part II), there is no logical reasoning to back up a fight between the two.

      well fighting doesn't always have to be til death or because the other is the enemy more like a sparring fight => both are rivals and both of them actually want to see who is better

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    • ShaRin'negan94 wrote: @TheUltimate 3

      well actually you agreed with almost everything what i said ^^

      1.the first thing with the rasenshuriken being a response to the superior Sasuke is true but one single technique doesn't make you equal to someone who is in every term stronger than you

      2.the only thing you disagreed was the Sage Naruto vs MS Sasuke, well I still think that Sasuke would be stronger because NAruto couldn't dodge for example Amaterasu and in would be very hard to avoid the Susanoo arrow (which KAkashi could only dodge by using Kamui) and the rasenshuriken is way slower than the arrow and a black flame (would only get stronger by the Raenshuriken)

      3. during the war they were equal then NAruto combined Bijuu mode with Sage mode and he was stronger = yes But Sasuke also combined his Susanoo with the Sennin chakra of Jug so with this they are again euqal and the other thing is that when you watch the manga Sasuke didn't use the Armored Susanoo, he only used the Arrow Susanoo (the 2nd form and not the 3rd form which he showed against Kakashi and against the few Zetsus)

      Naruto's Rasenshuriken can cross an entire Chibaku Tensei crater — which was roughly the size of a small mountain range — in less than a single second. and sage mode allows you to dodge all attacks. if Kabuto can dodge sasukes Arrow in sage mode then not only could Naruto dodge sasukes arrow but in that same amount of time throw a rasenshuriken at him. which is far to fast for sasuke to just dodge. yes maybe with his Rinnegan teleportation but all Naruto would have to do is throw a second one and sasuke would not have enough time to teleport a second time

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    • I just would like to point out to everyone that Sasuke never really beat Naruto in Part II. The first reunion they had, Naruto was already weaken from using Kurama's chakra against Orochimaru as well as fighting Sai, whereas Sasuke was fresh. Also Naruto couldn't really bust out with any techniques as his teammates were nearby. So I understand that Naruto and Sasuke should be equal, but trying to use made up facts to help your argument only makes you look stupid. Sasuke has the potential to become stronger, but that is just it: potential. He needs time to nurture it, whereas Naruto is getting battle experience from fighting Kaguya and doing a good job with it by himself. The only thing of value so far that Sasuke attributed since getting his powers is preventing Naruto from becoming under the influence of IT, and even with that I still find it hard to swallow as Black Zetsu only thought that it might be the case. Like I said earlier, if Sasuke is unable to contribute in helping Naruto other than deriding Naruto on thinking of others, he will never be redeemed and the ultimate fight that is going to take place between Naruto and Sasuke is going to become highly predictable (at least to me).

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    • ShaRin'negan94 wrote:

      EternalMangekyoSharinnegan wrote: Why does everyone think they're going to fight? As of now (Part II), there is no logical reasoning to back up a fight between the two.

      well fighting doesn't always have to be til death or because the other is the enemy more like a sparring fight => both are rivals and both of them actually want to see who is better

      Fighting to the death would be the best and only true portrayal of their strengths at opposition of each other. Lol, you would determine the power rankings through a sparring?

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    • Jtw2014 wrote: I just would like to point out to everyone that Sasuke never really beat Naruto in Part II. The first reunion they had, Naruto was already weaken from using Kurama's chakra against Orochimaru as well as fighting Sai, whereas Sasuke was fresh. Also Naruto couldn't really bust out with any techniques as his teammates were nearby. So I understand that Naruto and Sasuke should be equal, but trying to use made up facts to help your argument only makes you look stupid. Sasuke has the potential to become stronger, but that is just it: potential. He needs time to nurture it, whereas Naruto is getting battle experience from fighting Kaguya and doing a good job with it by himself. The only thing of value so far that Sasuke attributed since getting his powers is preventing Naruto from becoming under the influence of IT, and even with that I still find it hard to swallow as Black Zetsu only thought that it might be the case. Like I said earlier, if Sasuke is unable to contribute in helping Naruto other than deriding Naruto on thinking of others, he will never be redeemed and the ultimate fight that is going to take place between Naruto and Sasuke is going to become highly predictable (at least to me).


      That Sasuke beat the entire Team is not made up and with what techniques should Naruto burst out at that time ? with a Rasengan (already thousand times seen) and yes Naruto was weakened but even at full power that wouldn't help him it was later said by Naruto himself and by Kakashi that Sasuke was much stronger than NAruto so not made up

      And as seen now in the manga i already said 100 times that NAruto is now stronger than Sasuke (both sasuke and naruto are gathering battle experience so) But I also think that we haven't seen everything NAruto can do and especially I think Sasuke got some other new techniques or fomrs or whatever ^^

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    • Actionmanrandell wrote:

      Naruto's Rasenshuriken can cross an entire Chibaku Tensei crater — which was roughly the size of a small mountain range — in less than a single second. and sage mode allows you to dodge all attacks. if Kabuto can dodge sasukes Arrow in sage mode then not only could Naruto dodge sasukes arrow but in that same amount of time throw a rasenshuriken at him. which is far to fast for sasuke to just dodge. yes maybe with his Rinnegan teleportation but all Naruto would have to do is throw a second one and sasuke would not have enough time to teleport a second time


      where the hell was is stated or shown that the rasenshuriken fly over this area in less than a second ? nowhere it was only shown if it was less than a second or 5 seconds or 25 seconds nobody of us nows so and sasuke would had a Susanoo and Amaterasu with which he could dodge the Rasenshuriken

      Only because somebody has Senjutsu doesn't mean he can dodge every technique that would mean that when Naruto is in Sage Mode no enemy could hit him (which isn't true from what we have seen in his fight with pain or Obito or Kaguya now)
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    • ShaRin'negan94 wrote:

      Jtw2014 wrote: I just would like to point out to everyone that Sasuke never really beat Naruto in Part II. The first reunion they had, Naruto was already weaken from using Kurama's chakra against Orochimaru as well as fighting Sai, whereas Sasuke was fresh. Also Naruto couldn't really bust out with any techniques as his teammates were nearby. So I understand that Naruto and Sasuke should be equal, but trying to use made up facts to help your argument only makes you look stupid. Sasuke has the potential to become stronger, but that is just it: potential. He needs time to nurture it, whereas Naruto is getting battle experience from fighting Kaguya and doing a good job with it by himself. The only thing of value so far that Sasuke attributed since getting his powers is preventing Naruto from becoming under the influence of IT, and even with that I still find it hard to swallow as Black Zetsu only thought that it might be the case. Like I said earlier, if Sasuke is unable to contribute in helping Naruto other than deriding Naruto on thinking of others, he will never be redeemed and the ultimate fight that is going to take place between Naruto and Sasuke is going to become highly predictable (at least to me).


      That Sasuke beat the entire Team is not made up and with what techniques should Naruto burst out at that time ? with a Rasengan (already thousand times seen) and yes Naruto was weakened but even at full power that wouldn't help him it was later said by Naruto himself and by Kakashi that Sasuke was much stronger than NAruto so not made up

      And as seen now in the manga i already said 100 times that NAruto is now stronger than Sasuke (both sasuke and naruto are gathering battle experience so) But I also think that we haven't seen everything NAruto can do and especially I think Sasuke got some other new techniques or fomrs or whatever ^^

      Well one, the move I was talking about is using Kurama's chakra. Two, both Naruto and Kakashi were referring to Naruto's performance against Sasuke, with Kakashi never even being there and Naruto saying that as he always felt inferior to Sasuke and will take any failure, even if it wasn't his fault entirely, especially hard due to his promise and the fact that he wasted the only lead he had on Sasuke at the moment.

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    • That Sasuke beat the entire Team is not made up and with what techniques should Naruto burst out at that time ? with a Rasengan (already thousand times seen) and yes Naruto was weakened but even at full power that wouldn't help him it was later said by Naruto himself and by Kakashi that Sasuke was much stronger than NAruto so not made up

      And as seen now in the manga i already said 100 times that NAruto is now stronger than Sasuke (both sasuke and naruto are gathering battle experience so) But I also think that we haven't seen everything NAruto can do and especially I think Sasuke got some other new techniques or fomrs or whatever ^^ </div>

      only stronger than base naruto. Kyuubi mode Naruto would stomp him

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    • Jtw2014 wrote:

      ShaRin'negan94 wrote:

      Jtw2014 wrote: I just would like to point out to everyone that Sasuke never really beat Naruto in Part II. The first reunion they had, Naruto was already weaken from using Kurama's chakra against Orochimaru as well as fighting Sai, whereas Sasuke was fresh. Also Naruto couldn't really bust out with any techniques as his teammates were nearby. So I understand that Naruto and Sasuke should be equal, but trying to use made up facts to help your argument only makes you look stupid. Sasuke has the potential to become stronger, but that is just it: potential. He needs time to nurture it, whereas Naruto is getting battle experience from fighting Kaguya and doing a good job with it by himself. The only thing of value so far that Sasuke attributed since getting his powers is preventing Naruto from becoming under the influence of IT, and even with that I still find it hard to swallow as Black Zetsu only thought that it might be the case. Like I said earlier, if Sasuke is unable to contribute in helping Naruto other than deriding Naruto on thinking of others, he will never be redeemed and the ultimate fight that is going to take place between Naruto and Sasuke is going to become highly predictable (at least to me).


      That Sasuke beat the entire Team is not made up and with what techniques should Naruto burst out at that time ? with a Rasengan (already thousand times seen) and yes Naruto was weakened but even at full power that wouldn't help him it was later said by Naruto himself and by Kakashi that Sasuke was much stronger than NAruto so not made up

      And as seen now in the manga i already said 100 times that NAruto is now stronger than Sasuke (both sasuke and naruto are gathering battle experience so) But I also think that we haven't seen everything NAruto can do and especially I think Sasuke got some other new techniques or fomrs or whatever ^^

      Well one, the move I was talking about is using Kurama's chakra. Two, both Naruto and Kakashi were referring to Naruto's performance against Sasuke, with Kakashi never even being there and Naruto saying that as he always felt inferior to Sasuke and will take any failure, even if it wasn't his fault entirely, especially hard due to his promise and the fact that he wasted the only lead he had on Sasuke at the moment.

      still at that time there is no chance NAruto could have defeated Sasuke with his own power (and at that time he couldn't control Kurama or was his friend) so the only way to defeat Sasuke would be to uses Kurama (which would then be no real victory because it wouldn't be him it would be Kurama who defeated Sasuke) (now Naurot and Kurama are working together back then Kurama would take over Naruto) so !!!

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    • ShaRin'negan94 wrote:

      Actionmanrandell wrote:

      Naruto's Rasenshuriken can cross an entire Chibaku Tensei crater — which was roughly the size of a small mountain range — in less than a single second. and sage mode allows you to dodge all attacks. if Kabuto can dodge sasukes Arrow in sage mode then not only could Naruto dodge sasukes arrow but in that same amount of time throw a rasenshuriken at him. which is far to fast for sasuke to just dodge. yes maybe with his Rinnegan teleportation but all Naruto would have to do is throw a second one and sasuke would not have enough time to teleport a second time


      where the hell was is stated or shown that the rasenshuriken fly over this area in less than a second ? nowhere it was only shown if it was less than a second or 5 seconds or 25 seconds nobody of us nows so and sasuke would had a Susanoo and Amaterasu with which he could dodge the Rasenshuriken Only because somebody has Senjutsu doesn't mean he can dodge every technique that would mean that when Naruto is in Sage Mode no enemy could hit him (which isn't true from what we have seen in his fight with pain or Obito or Kaguya now)

      its called calculation. when Naruto throws it it takes roughly a second to travel across the entirety of the crater, also they literally say that in Sage mode Naruto can dodge any technique that has significant danger. In sage mode Naruto dodged Third Raikage's Hell stab like it was nothing and Third Raikage is faster than sasukes Arrow. Ay dodged an Arrow and Third Raikage is faster than Ay and if Kabuto can dodge a susanoo arrow then Naruto could definitely
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      its called calculation. when Naruto throws it it takes roughly a second to travel across the entirety of the crater, also they literally say that in Sage mode Naruto can dodge any technique that has significant danger. In sage mode Naruto dodged Third Raikage's Hell stab like it was nothing and Third Raikage is faster than sasukes Arrow. Ay dodged an Arrow and Third Raikage is faster than Ay and if Kabuto can dodge a susanoo arrow then Naruto could definitely


      1. when the raikage used the hell stab he was approaching with this attack like an hour long so every idiot could see how the raikage was attacking and his Sage Mode senses protected him from the wider area of this technique

      2. In Sage Mode you have the ability to feel or sense the threat or whatever it is that doesn't mean that you can actually dodge everything (Naruto already got hit/wounded by Pain or by Obito or by Kaguya now) so this sense is not almighty so he can dodge everything and couldn't be defeated (also Kabuto got hit in his Sage Mode and Hashirama also got hit in his Sage mode by Madara and also Jiraya got hit or actually killed in his Sage Mode and also Minato couldn't dodge Madara in his Sage Mode)
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    • ShaRin'negan94 wrote:

      Jtw2014 wrote: I just would like to point out to everyone that Sasuke never really beat Naruto in Part II. The first reunion they had, Naruto was already weaken from using Kurama's chakra against Orochimaru as well as fighting Sai, whereas Sasuke was fresh. Also Naruto couldn't really bust out with any techniques as his teammates were nearby. So I understand that Naruto and Sasuke should be equal, but trying to use made up facts to help your argument only makes you look stupid. Sasuke has the potential to become stronger, but that is just it: potential. He needs time to nurture it, whereas Naruto is getting battle experience from fighting Kaguya and doing a good job with it by himself. The only thing of value so far that Sasuke attributed since getting his powers is preventing Naruto from becoming under the influence of IT, and even with that I still find it hard to swallow as Black Zetsu only thought that it might be the case. Like I said earlier, if Sasuke is unable to contribute in helping Naruto other than deriding Naruto on thinking of others, he will never be redeemed and the ultimate fight that is going to take place between Naruto and Sasuke is going to become highly predictable (at least to me).


      That Sasuke beat the entire Team is not made up and with what techniques should Naruto burst out at that time ? with a Rasengan (already thousand times seen) and yes Naruto was weakened but even at full power that wouldn't help him it was later said by Naruto himself and by Kakashi that Sasuke was much stronger than NAruto so not made up

      And as seen now in the manga i already said 100 times that NAruto is now stronger than Sasuke (both sasuke and naruto are gathering battle experience so) But I also think that we haven't seen everything NAruto can do and especially I think Sasuke got some other new techniques or fomrs or whatever ^^

      Sasuke didn't beat Team Yamato he more of kept them at bay. Plus it doesn't help that they came back from battles. I agree Sasuke probably could've still token them on at full power but its not like they wanted to kill him unlike him. As for sage mode it let's you sense danger and you could avoid it if you're fast enough but I'm sure if Kabuto could do it so can Naruto. And if you want to talk about own power Sasuke had been doped up besides with the curse mark so you can't be hyprocritcal.

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    • ShaRin'negan94 wrote:

      Actionmanrandell wrote:


      its called calculation. when Naruto throws it it takes roughly a second to travel across the entirety of the crater, also they literally say that in Sage mode Naruto can dodge any technique that has significant danger. In sage mode Naruto dodged Third Raikage's Hell stab like it was nothing and Third Raikage is faster than sasukes Arrow. Ay dodged an Arrow and Third Raikage is faster than Ay and if Kabuto can dodge a susanoo arrow then Naruto could definitely


      1. when the raikage used the hell stab he was approaching with this attack like an hour long so every idiot could see how the raikage was attacking and his Sage Mode senses protected him from the wider area of this technique

      2. In Sage Mode you have the ability to feel or sense the threat or whatever it is that doesn't mean that you can actually dodge everything (Naruto already got hit/wounded by Pain or by Obito or by Kaguya now) so this sense is not almighty so he can dodge everything and couldn't be defeated (also Kabuto got hit in his Sage Mode and Hashirama also got hit in his Sage mode by Madara and also Jiraya got hit or actually killed in his Sage Mode and also Minato couldn't dodge Madara in his Sage Mode)

      there is no ifs ands or buts about it one who has fully mastered sage art can dodge the fastest of attacks Naruto was able to dodge Ay's fastest let me repeat this Fastest Punch news Flash there are only 2 people faster than A that is Minato and Naruto

      also even if Sasuke some how got the drop on him and Naruto could not fully dodge it he would still come out safe simple reason. in sage mode The user can manipulate the natural energy that surrounds them in this mode, turning it into an extension of their body, which increases the reach of their attacks. in other words Naruto could just deflect the attack with the natural energy that surrounds him
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    • Rachin123 wrote:

      ShaRin'negan94 wrote:

      Jtw2014 wrote: I just would like to point out to everyone that Sasuke never really beat Naruto in Part II. The first reunion they had, Naruto was already weaken from using Kurama's chakra against Orochimaru as well as fighting Sai, whereas Sasuke was fresh. Also Naruto couldn't really bust out with any techniques as his teammates were nearby. So I understand that Naruto and Sasuke should be equal, but trying to use made up facts to help your argument only makes you look stupid. Sasuke has the potential to become stronger, but that is just it: potential. He needs time to nurture it, whereas Naruto is getting battle experience from fighting Kaguya and doing a good job with it by himself. The only thing of value so far that Sasuke attributed since getting his powers is preventing Naruto from becoming under the influence of IT, and even with that I still find it hard to swallow as Black Zetsu only thought that it might be the case. Like I said earlier, if Sasuke is unable to contribute in helping Naruto other than deriding Naruto on thinking of others, he will never be redeemed and the ultimate fight that is going to take place between Naruto and Sasuke is going to become highly predictable (at least to me).


      That Sasuke beat the entire Team is not made up and with what techniques should Naruto burst out at that time ? with a Rasengan (already thousand times seen) and yes Naruto was weakened but even at full power that wouldn't help him it was later said by Naruto himself and by Kakashi that Sasuke was much stronger than NAruto so not made up

      And as seen now in the manga i already said 100 times that NAruto is now stronger than Sasuke (both sasuke and naruto are gathering battle experience so) But I also think that we haven't seen everything NAruto can do and especially I think Sasuke got some other new techniques or fomrs or whatever ^^

      Sasuke didn't beat Team Yamato he more of kept them at bay. Plus it doesn't help that they came back from battles. I agree Sasuke probably could've still token them on at full power but its not like they wanted to kill him unlike him. As for sage mode it let's you sense danger and you could avoid it if you're fast enough but I'm sure if Kabuto could do it so can Naruto. And if you want to talk about own power Sasuke had been doped up besides with the curse mark so you can't be hyprocritcal.

      it was more than a holding them off. If you watch the episodes or the manga again you will see that he actually played with them it was nothing more to him (he deflected everyone with chidori nagashi "played" with kurama stabbed Yamato ................... well Sasuke didn't use the curse mark in the battle with team Yamato and he actually wanted to use Kirin and the only one who could survive that would be NAruto because of Kurama and you can compare the curse mark more to the KCM or Bijuu Mode (where Naruto has full control or works together with Kurama) back then only Kurama could take over Naruto and so on

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      it was more than a holding them off. If you watch the episodes or the manga again you will see that he actually played with them it was nothing more to him (he deflected everyone with chidori nagashi "played" with kurama stabbed Yamato ................... well Sasuke didn't use the curse mark in the battle with team Yamato and he actually wanted to use Kirin and the only one who could survive that would be NAruto because of Kurama and you can compare the curse mark more to the KCM or Bijuu Mode (where Naruto has full control or works together with Kurama) back then only Kurama could take over Naruto and so on </div>

      sasukes Curse mark was never anything near Naruto's Kyuubi cloak. that is absurd. if that was the case then sasuke Curse mode would have easily killed itachi. the curse mark was only a pseudo sage mode. it did not even give reflex increase. if sasuke with Curse mode were to fight naruto KCM mode naruto would rip him limb from limb

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    • Would any of you say Sage Mode Naruto (along with the three giant toads) can beat an EMS Sasuke?

      Anyway, I'd say Sage Mode-Enhanced Tailed Beast Mode Naruto can take Rinnegan Sasuke in a fight, let alone Six Paths Sage Technique Naruto.

      (And I am talking about the Sasuke we've seen, as he's yet to possibly showcase more jutsu.)

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    • Actionmanrandell wrote:

      it was more than a holding them off. If you watch the episodes or the manga again you will see that he actually played with them it was nothing more to him (he deflected everyone with chidori nagashi "played" with kurama stabbed Yamato ................... well Sasuke didn't use the curse mark in the battle with team Yamato and he actually wanted to use Kirin and the only one who could survive that would be NAruto because of Kurama and you can compare the curse mark more to the KCM or Bijuu Mode (where Naruto has full control or works together with Kurama) back then only Kurama could take over Naruto and so on </div>

      sasukes Curse mark was never anything near Naruto's Kyuubi cloak. that is absurd. if that was the case then sasuke Curse mode would have easily killed itachi. the curse mark was only a pseudo sage mode. it did not even give reflex increase. if sasuke with Curse mode were to fight naruto KCM mode naruto would rip him limb from limb </div>


      I think you got my comparison wrong I didn't mean the curse mark to be as strong as KCM OR BIJUU MODE I just said that you could compare it more with the KCM or Bijuu Mode than with a Kurama who is taking over Naturo and who releases himself

      Some other user ( I don't want to look after the comment) mentioned that naruto would defeat Sasuke back then (when they first met each other after 2,5 years) when he used Kurama then I meant back then Naruto could only win with Kurama but back then he didn't have the control over him so Kuruama would manifest the tails and control naruto but this wouldn't be Naruto who is fighting Sasuke

      So I compared the Curse mark more to KCM and Bijuu Mode because Sasuke has full control of the Curse mark (and it alos gives him a power boost .......)

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    • EternalMangekyoSharinnegan wrote: Would any of you say Sage Mode Naruto (along with the three giant toads) can beat an EMS Sasuke?

      Anyway, I'd say Sage Mode-Enhanced Tailed Beast Mode Naruto can take Rinnegan Sasuke in a fight, let alone Six Paths Sage Technique Naruto.

      (And I am talking about the Sasuke we've seen, as he's yet to possibly showcase more jutsu.)


      I already wrote my opinion to that =

      Sage Naruto < MS Sasuke

      I THINK that Sage Bijuu Mode Naruto and EMS Sasuke (with his Susanoo + Juugo + armored Mode)(in the war Sasuke only was using the 2nd stage of Susanoo but not the armored one^^) are equally strong

      an