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    Feel free to include your predictions here, but please note, this excludes stats (since we may not be getting them), but isn't limited to: unrevealed character relations, bio (blood type, age, weight, height, eye&hair colors), chakra natures, technique "physics", concepts and so on. Pretty much any contents it may have and I'd also like to hear how you would feel if your personal prediction or theory were to be proven wrong by the book (I'm looking at you sand&magnet release).

    Mod edit: Along with theories, this thread also includes some information from the previews of the Fourth Databook.

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    • I've always wondered: are Kaguya and Hyuga clan related like the Uchiha and Senju? Plus....I really hope Kishi gives us some hints on Indra and Asura (their age, fate and I don't know, their proper ability list). Mito and Kushina's stats would also be a bit important to add in the Databook; Sakura's stats have most likely surpassed all her female peers of Konoha!

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    • I'll begin with Darui:

      • Age: 31
      • Blood Type: A
      • Height: 179 cm
      • Weight: 70 kg
      • Rank: Jonin (as known)
      • Academy Graduation Age: 8
      • Chunin Graduation Age: 14

      << It's just a prediction >> :P

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    • Blaze Release: not a mix of two or more basic natures.

      Izanagi: a jutsu that requires BOTH Senju and Uchiha DNA/powers.

      Izuna's Mangekyo powers: Blaze Release and Amaterasu.

      How'd I feel if I were proven wrong? I wouldn't give a s**t about it.

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    • Izanagi and Izanami - Used to set up the Naruto world

      Six paths - there are literally six realms

      Sage killed his bro

      Senju clan was annihilated by Madara except Tsunade

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      • Blaze = Fire + Yin (hence the black colour)
      • Explosion = Fire + Lightning (Earth Release was just used for the clay)
      • Magnet = Earth + Lightning
      • ??? = Earth + Wind (we'll most likely never get information about this)


      • My explanation how Yin chakra and Yang chakra work will be (mostly) correct


      • The Six-Tails (Utakata/Naruto), Shima, Katsuyu and Mei all use Boil Release, they just use different pH-levels


      • Madara died in his 90s-100s
      • Hashirama died in his 40s-50s
      • Tobirama died in his 40s


      • Izuna died at <20 years old. His Mangekyo Sharingan gave him access to Kagutsuchi and Amaterasu (Tobirama meant him in the war), but he never mastered Susanoo.


      • Obito would've been able to use Susanoo if he lived.
      • Madara mastered Susanoo without the two basic techniques. He's just that good.


      • The Second Mizukage and Orochimaru are not related.
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    • Seelentau wrote:

      • Blaze = Fire + Yin (hence the black colour)
      • Explosion = Fire + Lightning (Earth Release was just used for the clay)
      • Magnet = Earth + Lightning
      • ??? = Earth + Wind (we'll most likely never get information about this)

      I think the exact same thing. Been trying to persuade Elve that. I thought Earth + Wind = Sand, but whatever.

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    • WindStar7125 wrote:

      I think the exact same thing. Been trying to persuade Elve that. I thought Earth + Wind = Sand, but whatever.

      I always assumed Sand was Earth + Wind as well. Not so sure about other things... though Blaze does make sense.

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    • JOA20 wrote: Blaze Release: not a mix of two or more basic natures.

      Izanagi: a jutsu that requires BOTH Senju and Uchiha DNA/powers.

      Izuna's Mangekyo powers: Blaze Release and Amaterasu.

      How'd I feel if I were proven wrong? I wouldn't give a s**t about it.

      1. so what is it?
      2. so Uchiha were Senju junkies?
      3. Amaterasu IS Blaze Release :P

      Kay Uchiha1 wrote: Izanagi and Izanami - Used to set up the Naruto world

      Six paths - there are literally six realms

      Sage killed his bro

      Senju clan was annihilated by Madara except Tsunade

      1. I really like this. I've always thought the space "Naruto" takes place in was made by Hagoromo... but I think he used his TSB sword to make things, but maybe you are right and Izanagi&Izanami, too.
      2. I'd like this to be true, but it would open space for "aliens" in Naruto and most people I guess don't want that.
      3. Why would have he?
      4. From underground?

      Seelentau wrote:

      • "natures"
      • Shima
      • Izuna died at <20 years old. His Mangekyo Sharingan gave him access to Kagutsuchi and Amaterasu (Tobirama meant him in the war), but he never mastered Susanoo.
      • Madara mastered Susanoo without the two basic techniques. He's just that good.
      1. So what's Lightning+Wind?
      2. Shima???? 0_o
      3. Agreed
      4. You think so because he didn't show anything but Susanoo?
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      1. No idea. I'd say dust, but we already have that.
      2. Shima used Fighting Tongue Bind.
      3. Yes.
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    • Well, I think Fire+Lightning=Blaze, Wind+Lightning=Magnet, Earth+Wind=Crystal and Lightning+Wind=Explosion :P And I see, I completely forgot about Shima's technique. For Madara, no way was Limbo his MS technique rather than a Rinnegan one? :P

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      1. Crystal isn't canon.
      2. No way.

      Also, did you really intended this to be just one more theory discussion thread?

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    • Elveonora wrote: Amaterasu IS Blaze Release :P

      You're going to have to expect folks to continue using the term Blaze Release/Enton as shorthand for Kagutsuchi, since it was such a long-standing presumption. :p

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    • BLAZE RELEASE = FIRE RELEASE + YIN RELEASE

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    • Seelentau wrote:

      1. Crystal isn't canon.
      2. No way.

      Also, did you really intended this to be just one more theory discussion thread?

      So isn't Raiga and his swords, oh wait... And I guess you are right about Limbo, since Madara couldn't use Sharingan powers with Rinnegan. And I'm not sure what you ask.

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    • Elveonora wrote:

      JOA20 wrote:

      1. Blaze Release: not a mix of two or more basic natures.
      2. Izanagi: a jutsu that requires BOTH Senju and Uchiha DNA/powers.
      1. so what is it?
      2. so Uchiha were Senju junkies?
      1. I know you'll laugh at this, but I believe Blaze Release to be nothing more than advanced Fire Release that can be used only by Mangekyo Sharingan users. A kekkei genkai in the sense that it can be used only through a dojutsu, not because it's a mix of two natures.
      2. Pretty much, yeah. Remember Black Zetsu talking about making Uchiha and Senju try to awaken the Rinnegan? It wouldn't sound so far-fetched that Uchiha clan members had infused themselves with Senju cells (taken from the corpses of their enemies) in order to attain Izanagi.
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    • Elveonora wrote: So isn't Raiga and his swords, oh wait... And I guess you are right about Limbo, since Madara couldn't use Sharingan powers with Rinnegan. And I'm not sure what you ask.

      Raiga and his swords are canon, didn't you read the manga? o.ô

      I asked if you're alright with this thread turning in just another speculation-discussions-thread instead of a prediction thread.

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    • Seelentau wrote: I asked if you're alright with this thread turning in just another speculation-discussions-thread instead of a prediction thread.

      Well, this thread already is in the "Theories/Speculation" board... Just sayin'.

      Edit: It's in a different board now. :)

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    • Aye, but it'll be just the same that goes on on multiple talk pages already. I'm just waiting for the comments about the TSBs...

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    • Seelentau wrote: Aye, but it'll be just the same that goes on on multiple talk pages already. I'm just waiting for the comments about the TSBs...

      Jesus Christ, if we have another war about TSBs here, lol...

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    • My only hope regarding the Truth-Seeking Balls is that they'll be explained in detail.

      I mean Naruto's and Hagoromo's and Madara's and Obito's, I see them as the same thing, whilst Kaguya's looks different, in my opinion, even though Obito used his as sword and shield...

      I want to see if that's sorted out. Mostly, I want things to be sorted out definitely, so we won't have more discussions like Magnet Release and whatever else there might be speculation about (in the sense that there is a possibility to have a disputed opinion).

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    • Ok then my guess:

      ---Nature Transformation---

      Blaze Release: Yin + Fire - fire turned black

      Magnet Release: Wind + Lightning - most users from Suna and few of them has Wind Release

      Explosion Release: Earth + Lightning - Earth because displayed user is from Iwa and don't know how Sasuke coutered it with just Lightning if Deidara is user. :/

      Scorch Release: Fire + Wind - nuff said

      Boil Release: Fire + Water - because this how we get vapor mostly ;)

      And one came up with reverse psychology is Sand Release: Wind + Earth - somehow Gaara able take minerals from land to make his Sand to enforce it. So literally he taking Earth and making his Sand stronger.

      ---Other Stuff---

      KKG(Nature Ones) can be transferred via chakra - same way Hagoromo did.

      MS and Izanami/Izanagi(weak CoAT) - requres SenjuDNA/YangPart/SageBody in their use and thats why takes part of body(eye is going blind), for same reason Obito MS stand strong :) And Rinnegan can use any of this jutsu's infinitely.

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    • Blaze = Fire + Yin Explosion = Fire + Lightning Magnet = Earth + Lightning Scorch = Fire + Wind Boil Release = Fire + Water Black Lightning techniques are Lightning strengthened with Yin. Izuna had Kagutsuchi, Amaterasu and Susanoo Madara was secretly the cause of Hashirama's death in the middle of war via a sneaky, underhanded kill in a way that Hashirama and everyone else couldn't know it was him(Let's be honest, nobody else could do it at that time and Madara was definitely alive and well with Hashirama's DNA and Wood Release usage of his own, plus if Madara killed him openly he would of known it and would not have been shocked at Madara living past his VotE fight with him.

      Shisui gained his Mangekyo after hearing of Obito's "Death"

      Kakashi re-awakened his Mangekyo because of Sasuke having left Konoha after finding Naruto badly damaged.

      Itachi's lover was not in fact an Uchiha

      Juugo is from the Hagoromo clan

      Kaguya Clan, Hyuga Clan and Hagoromo Clan are the big 3 clans from Hamura's bloodline.

      Neji being so strong being attributed to him being a transmigrant of Hamura or one of sons

      How Hashi and Madara's fathers died and how Kawarama, and Madara's other brothers were killed.

      Minato and Kushina's chakra nature/natures

      Hamura, Asura and Indra's complete details

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    • Seelentau wrote: Raiga and his swords are canon, didn't you read the manga? o.ô

      I asked if you're alright with this thread turning in just another speculation-discussions-thread instead of a prediction thread.

      Yah, over a decade after having appeared in a filler first. And well, predicting things is kinda "speculating" is it not?

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    • So? That doesn't make Crystal Release or any other of those thousand shitty fillers more canon.

      It is. I'm just saying.

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    • Guren arc wasn't shitty, though :P And hmph, the odds of Blaze being Fire+Lightning have gotten lower as of latest chapter. I mean, it's entirely possible to use (Fire+Lightning)+Lightning, but still.

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    • But it proved again that he uses Kagutsuchi with his right eye. No left eye Amaterasu bullshit here.

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    • Yup, but we keep telling people... to no avail :P

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    • If Blaze Release is infact Fire + Yin, would it be possible for Naruto to use Blaze Release?

      How did Madara make a summoning contract with Kurama?

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    • No, since he doesn't have Fire Release.

      He used Genjutsu.

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    • Seelentau wrote: No, since he doesn't have Fire Release.

      He used Genjutsu.

      Well combining his fire style from one of the Tailed beast and his own Yin, would it then be possible.

      I meant that time when he performed the jutsu while Kurama was not in his genjutsu.

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    • No, since he doesn't have a Sharingan.

      What chapter?

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    • Madara tried summoning Kurama upon having been revived as an Edo.

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    • I believe he used Genjutsu on Kurama so that he can sign a contract with it.

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    • People seem to get under the idea the elemental mergers(don't feel like calling them by their technical names) are not their own elements. Yes in order to make them you must merge two basic elements, but once merged they are a completely new element, a new and different identity and so on. Thus it possible to surround a elemental fusion with one of its base components. Basically the sum is greater than the parts.

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    • For those who insist on Blaze being Fire+Yin, well, no... Amaterasu (a Blaze tech) is goddess of the sun and sun is associated with Yang. The only way I can see that working is if non-doujutsu Blaze is Fire+Yin and Amaterasu is Blaze(Fire+Yin)+Yang.

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    • Is there a non-doujutsu Blaze Release?

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    • Elve, don't forget that Amaterasu is older than the idea of Blaze Release.

      Blaezej, no.

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    • Seelentau wrote: Blaezej, no.

      So it's all just theory.

      I don't know what to think, to be honest.

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    • @Seel, there is... have you missed on Sasuke casting the black flames in hand?

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    • No, but he still used his eye both times.

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    • Yes, Kagutsuchi to shape them, but his hand did cast them. His Amaterasu eye/Rinnegan was on cooldown and closed.

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    • ...what? What are you talking about? Blaze Release: Kagutsuchi is the same as Amaterasu, just that it can also control the flames. He didn't cast them with his hands.

      I mean, there are two possibilities: Either he cast them with his right eye (matching how Amaterasu is cast: through the eye), or he cast them through his hands. Why would you even consider the second one to be true? Why would he be able to cast them with his left eye, but not with his right eye? I mean, he even looked at his hand, while no form manipulation happened, this chapter.

      You know... sometimes, I really don't understand the way you're thinking.

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    • Really? So one eye is nature transformation and the other is both nature transformation and shape transformation? Defeats the purpose of using just Amaterasu then, doesn't it? I'm willing to bet my testicles on that one, when it appears in his hand, it's used as any other nature without doujutsu involvement.

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    • Agreed, discussion aren't really necessary at this point. I'll just translate what the databook has to say, that should end most discussions.

      On another note, maybe I can get ShounenSuki to help me with that :x

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    • Well, when Kagutsuchi debuted, C stated that Sasuke cast the flames with his left eye and shaped them with right, not that the right did both the casting and shaping. Kagutsuchi is nothing but Sharingan: Shape Transformation.

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    • And now he can't use his left eye, but his right and you'd rather believe that he used his hands.

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    • Yes, of course, all natures shown so far can be cast from any part of the body (hands, mouth or even full body) so why would Blaze be any different and doujutsu-only?

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    • Because so far it has been exactly that: different.

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    • Damn...I'm even older than Darui if Shahk is right... (-_-)

      I would like to see some family treeage, like if Jiraiya was related to a Senju/Uzumaki clan or branch clan due to his own strong life force and chakra. Add in some other people that haven't gotten much back story but are compelling characters.

      Also, we know so much about Konoha and the nin and families that indwell it, but not much for those of other nations. I'm a lore whore though.

      I can deal with not knowing more about all the elemental nature stuff because its not that important to me. Ninjutsu is all about mysticism and secrets anyways, so it kinda takes away some of the romanticism (if that's a word). If anything, I'd rather have a clearer explaination of what is and is not a bloodline limit. I mean, I've never seen a non Nara use shadow techs, or a non Yamanaka use straight up telepathy, so why aren't those "family" techniques "bloodline"? Just seems goofy that it seems to be mostly related to elemental mumbo jumbo.

      Maybe a sketch/name of Kakashi's mom, bet she was the sex!

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    • That is because their techs are hiden jutsu. Meaning that the techs are not based on bloodlines, just that the teaching and usage of such techs are kept with the user or family. What it means is that if they decide to, the nara could start teaching non-naras the techs.

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    • Hiyayaka-kun wrote:

      If anything, I'd rather have a clearer explaination of what is and is not a bloodline limit. I mean, I've never seen a non Nara use shadow techs, or a non Yamanaka use straight up telepathy, so why aren't those "family" techniques "bloodline"? Just seems goofy that it seems to be mostly related to elemental mumbo jumbo.

      Kekkei Genkai (Bloodline Limits) are passed down genetically through bloodlines. Put simply, these are techniques that can only be used by someone with a specific genetic mutation.

      Hiden (Secret Traditions) are passed down orally from generation to generation within a clan or region. They're also sometimes called Hijutsu (Secret Techniques). They can be used by anyone who learns the inner workings of the technique, but clans keep them secret so that they can have an edge of their own in battle.

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    • I wonder:

      • why wasn't revived 3rd Raikage seen using Black Lightning
      • why did he pass it to Darui rather than his own son
      • how it works of course :P
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    • We haven't seen Indra & Asura's epic battle yet nor did we see the juubi vs Hagoromo & hamura. If we're lucky theres a Hagoromo vs Hamura battle xD

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    • A preview of the fourth databook:

      http://www.s-manga.net/omf/omf_978-4-08-880263-3.html

      They give Sasuke's Rinnegan teleportation jutsu, Kaguya's changing location jutsu and Killer B's sword dance names for it... :)

      EDIT: From the databook:

      1000 years ago, the Otsutsuki clan did come from another world indeed. And that, after the Ten Tails' defeat, Hamura and the rest of the Otsutsuki clan left for the Moon in order to guard the Gedo Mazo. And among other stuff, it calls Kaguya's third eye a "Rinnesharingan", her dimension shifting technique "Amenominaka", and Sasuke's teleportation thingy "Amenotejikara".

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    • Wow, moon people 0_0

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    • Haha Rinnesharingan.

      In other words...

      Kishimoto: #(*$ you fans! /trollface

      EDIT: Ok so now the entire film's ending is clear. After Naruto murders the hell out of the villain guy, the Hyuga clan (or maybe just Hinata because that would just be trolltastic) are gonna stay on the moon to keep it in space....for some reason because they sure as hell don't gotta hold the Demonic Statue anymore.

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    • So that's what happens to Hamura O___O woah...

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    • So it confirms that the Last movie is indeed canon because of the moon and its story with Otsutsuki clan.

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    • So if I get it right: Ootsutsuki are essentially "gods" of the Narutoverse and the planet "Naruto" takes place in was made by them? Meaning Kaguya's words about it being her "nursery" weren't just her kidding 0_o

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    • We knew she wasn't kidding. We just assumed she was crazy.

      Now we know she was still very crazy but she wasn't actually wrong.

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    • So an ancient clan comes out of nowhere?! Nice one Kishi *thumbs ups*

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    • Question tho: how can Ootsutsuki be moon people since Hagoromo was the one who made the moon on his deathbed? The only explanation I can think of that besides the moon which Hagoromo made, there already had been a natural moon, which would make sense, cause tides and all.

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    • Elveonora wrote: Question tho: how can Ootsutsuki be moon people since Hagoromo was the one who made the moon on his deathbed? The only explanation I can think of that besides the moon which Hagoromo made, there already had been a natural moon, which would make sense, cause tides and all.

      there are countless moons in existence though ( maybe not in the Narutoverse ) so he could have came from from of them.

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    • Here's a better question: Dafuq where these Demonic Statue Guardians doing when the Demonic Statue was on Earth for have a century?

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    • I'm wondering that too. Maybe they didn't realize it vanished right away :D

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    • If your job is to make sure that giant statue doesn't move, you'd think they'd check it once a century lol.

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    • TheUltimate3 wrote: If your job is to make sure that giant statue doesn't move, you'd think they'd check it once a century lol.

      why do you think they care that i moves or not?

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    • And here we hoped Kishimoto would clear all things up. Ha...

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    • Shakhmoot wrote: A preview of the fourth databook:

      http://www.s-manga.net/omf/omf_978-4-08-880263-3.html

      They give Sasuke's Rinnegan teleportation jutsu, Kaguya's changing location jutsu and Killer B's sword dance names for it... :)

      EDIT: From the databook:

      1000 years ago, the Otsutsuki clan did come from another world indeed. And that, after the Ten Tails' defeat, Hamura and the rest of the Otsutsuki clan left for the Moon in order to guard the Gedo Mazo. And among other stuff, it calls Kaguya's third eye a "Rinnesharingan", her dimension shifting technique "Amenominaka", and Sasuke's teleportation thingy "Amenotejikara".

      Only a thousand years ago. . . ? That makes Gamamaru, the Great Toad Sage, older than them. . . if they actually age as normal humans.

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    • No, I'm pretty sure 1000 years ago is just circa, 1100 years ago would still be "about 1000 years ago" Gamamaru is also about 1000, but has chakra and so on, so was born after Hagoromo spread chakra.

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    • Seelentau wrote: And here we hoped Kishimoto would clear all things up. Ha...

      If their clan's job was to go to the moon and watch over the statue, and then the statue just up and vanished I'd think they'd be a little concerned.

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    • You know how guards are. Eating donuts, playing cards, drinking beer...

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    • I meant regarding the moon thing. But then again, it was never said they came from the moon, huh?

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    • No, they came "from another world" and then went to the moon.

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    • Elveonora wrote: No, I'm pretty sure 1000 years ago is just circa, 1100 years ago would still be "about 1000 years ago" Gamamaru is also about 1000, but has chakra and so on, so was born after Hagoromo spread chakra.

      Didn't the Third Databook state that he was a few thousand years old?

      Few = five, at the most. . .

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    • I don't think so. Shima and Fukasaku are 800+ and Gamamaru circa 1000.

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    • THE NEW DATABOOK EXPLAINS THE WORKINGS BEHIND HIDEN AND RIKUDO TECHNIQUES, THEYRE BOTH PART OF ONMYOTON

      OH MY GOD IM DYING THIS IS EVERYTHING I EVER WANTED TO KNOW OMFOFMOEHTEDzfkulgihöjpk#l

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    • Where do you guys get this stuff, I thought the book isn't officially sold yet.

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    • Elveonora wrote: I don't think so. Shima and Fukasaku are 800+ and Gamamaru circa 1000.

      Here it is. It says "several thousand years old".

      <snip - lolno Image policy>

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    • Does it say so in the Japanese version too? Anyway, we should be more concerned with what the 4th databook says not the 3rd outdated one.

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    • Elveonora wrote: Does it say so in the Japanese version too? Anyway, we should be more concerned with what the 4th databook says not the 3rd outdated one.

      . . . it's a translation from the Japanese one, why wouldn't it be the same. But, yeah, the new information from the new Databook is much more valuable.

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    • Geg's translation of Kaguya's text:

      Ever since "humans" were given form, they have fought each other and walked in a world of war. The earth was stained with blood, and as if it were absorbing that blood for nourishment, the Shinju took root in the earth. Eventually the Shinju beared a single fruit, and a certain clan came from another world seeking that fruit: the Ootsutsuki clan. Kaguya, leader of the Ootsutsuki, ate the fruit and became the progenitor of all chakra, and with her absolute power brought peace to the world in an instant.

      After ending the turbulent era, she became known as the Rabbit Goddess and received the blessing of the people, giving birth to twins. But after that, Kaguya would occasionally use harsh means to rule the people as a dictator. The Byakugan, Sharingan, and Infinite Tsukuyomi - the people feared and respected the jutsu Kaguya wielded. Eventually, the "Rabbit Goddess" became known as a demon instead. And then, Kaguya became ruled by her desire to make all chakra her own.

      To make all chakra one - Kaguya's desire eventually turned on Hagoromo and Hamura, her own twin sons with whom she had split her chakra. Kaguya formed a plan, and in order to take in all chakra, fused with the Shinju and battled against her twin sons.

      The twins, assuming that the Juubi was a transformed Shinju attacking them in order to reclaim the chakra that was taken from it, faced off against it. And after a fierce battle, the activated Rikudou Chibaku Tensei. They turned it into the moon and sealed it away.

      Caption next to Hamura on the last page: The Gedou Mazou, the remaining shell of the Juubi, was sealed in the moon. Hamura took command of the clan to watch over the Mazou.

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    • Can we please add the new info? The Rinnesharingan is the Original dojutsu which gave birth to Rinnegan and Sharingan... all of this info is so good bahh

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    • So I was right and ALL chakra that has existed belongs to Kaguya, in short it's split literary...

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    • No, you were not.

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    • Annnnnd.... plothole time incoming!!! So the flashback we saw was indeed Six Paths Chibaku Tensei... therefore Hagoromo WASN'T ever TT jinchuuriki and Kurama just made shit up for teh lulz?

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    • Seelentau wrote: No, you were not.

      It says Kaguya split her chakra with her sons, so parents split their chakra to their children or not?

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    • I..I....I can't believe my personal theory was right: Hamura and Hagoromo are twins after all! ^_^

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    • Elveonora wrote: It says Kaguya split her chakra with her sons, so parents split their chakra to their children or not?

      She did. Not everyone else. After Hagoromo shared his chakra with the humans, they used it to connect their energies and to create their own chakra. Everything after Hagoromo and Hamura is not Kaguya's own chakra.

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    • What about the chronology of Hagoromo as a jinchuuriki?

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    • He was the TT's Jinchuriki and he wasn't. He's just that amazing. Yin-Yang and so, ya' kno'?

      No really, no idea what's true and what's not.

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    • Who would have thought years ago that this manga would turn from one about ninja and a boy who wants to prove himself through hardship into moon people/aliens/gods/reincarnations and whatnot.

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    • Hisana456 wrote: I..I....I can't believe my personal theory was right: Hamura and Hagoromo are twins after all! ^_^

      How was this even a theory? We saw them as newborns. Together. At the same time. Whilst Hagoromo told Naruto how Kaguya eventually had two sons.

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    • Elveonora wrote: Who would have thought years ago that this manga would turn from one about ninja and a boy who wants to prove himself through hardship into moon people/aliens/gods/reincarnations and whatnot.

      Don't forget Intense Brotherhood feels!

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    • Fought Juubi and sealed it in himself, he then spit out the Juubi but kept most of its chakra for himself.. fought and then sealed the Juubi with his brother, split Juubi chakra he split into the 9 tailed beasts, he then was on his deathbed after Hamura left to the moon with the rest of the clan minus Hagoromo, Indra, and Asura. Hagoromo made Asura his successor, he died but his chakra clinged to the world and he was able to witness everything from there..

      Also, why hasn't the Rinnesharingan had its own page made yet?? or at least a "forms" part in the Rinnegan page?? idk

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    • Geg's translation of those dojutsu:

      Amenotejikara:

      A ninjutsu using the Rinnegan received from the Sage of Six Paths. With in a certain range, the jutsu user can switch himself with the location of a target object in an instant. If the user switches himself with other objects in close-range combat, the user can evade enemy attacks in an instant, and can also attack by switching himself with a kunai or other weapon.

      Kanji: Heaven, Hand, Power

      Amenominaka:

      A jutsu used by Kaguya with her "Rinnesharingan". Changes the world around the user and the people around her into another dimension. The dimensions it can move to are ones of lava, ice, gravity, sand, and acid, and these five dimensions are directly linked to (whatever dimension Black Zetsu mentions back when Naruto is there with them. I can't remember or figure out how to translate it). Using it consumes a huge amount of chakra, making it an eye jutsu only she can use.

      Kanji: Heaven, Govern/Control, Inside

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    • Cool, now for the most important detail that most of us want to know: freaking Tobito's age.

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    • Elveonora wrote: Cool, now for the most important detail that most of us want to know: freaking Tobito's age.

      You mean Obito. . . ?

      Most likely, the same as Kakashi.

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    • Seelentau wrote: THE NEW DATABOOK EXPLAINS THE WORKINGS BEHIND HIDEN AND RIKUDO TECHNIQUES, THEYRE BOTH PART OF ONMYOTON

      OH MY GOD IM DYING THIS IS EVERYTHING I EVER WANTED TO KNOW OMFOFMOEHTEDzfkulgihöjpk#l

      Ok now explain what that means?

      EDIT: Also wait to go Kishimoto not explaining that huge discrepancy (dafuq did Hagoromo become the Ten-Tails jinchuriki if he sealed the Ten-Tails into the moon)

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      • Kishimoto: "damn, I screwed up BIG time... what to do?"
      • coming up with a solution: "a month later, sweats drops down off his forehead"
      • Kishimoto: "that's it! If I ignore the problem hard enough, maybe no one will notice that it doesn't make sense, I just have to pretend it does! my word > theirs, who is the author, bitches?"
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    • TheUltimate3 wrote:

      Seelentau wrote: THE NEW DATABOOK EXPLAINS THE WORKINGS BEHIND HIDEN AND RIKUDO TECHNIQUES, THEYRE BOTH PART OF ONMYOTON

      OH MY GOD IM DYING THIS IS EVERYTHING I EVER WANTED TO KNOW OMFOFMOEHTEDzfkulgihöjpk#l

      Ok now explain what that means?

      EDIT: Also wait to go Kishimoto not explaining that huge discrepancy (dafuq did Hagoromo become the Ten-Tails jinchuriki if he sealed the Ten-Tails into the moon)

      He sealed it's body into the Moon, but he became it's Jinchūriki by taking the Chakra of the Ten-Tailed Best. That's why the Nine Beasts are refeared as Chakra monsters. . . even if they are killed, as living chakra the beast itself will be revived.

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    • Except that's not true, since:

      • being jinchuuriki of all 9 Tailed Beasts doesn't make you a jinchuuriki of the Ten-Tails as shown in Naruto's case
      • Kurama stated that the Ten-Tails' body "gedo mazo" was what kept him alive after he made them, the Tailed Beasts
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    • Nothing makes sense anymore! Aliens, Giant zombie trees, cats and dogs living together! Mass hysteria.

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    • "cats and dogs living together" what's strange about that? :D We have had 2 dogs and 2 cats for 17 years now.

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    • So few questions i have:

      Kekkei Mora as classification?

      If TBB is Ninjutsu what we do with tailed beast skill?

      If for exapmle TSB is Kekkei Mora and Naruto stated as user what now?(Same for biju KKG techniques)

      Kaguya, her Amenominaka is Sharinnegan jutsu and Kekkei Mora so her Sharinnegan is Kekkei Mora?

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    • Rough translation of the YYR stuff (1/2):

      Shinobi Well-Informed Record

      Yin-Yang Release Techniques
      The "origin's" properties are filled with great mysteries. The Yin-Yang Release techniques are analyzed here.

      Six Paths
      The secret technique forming all creation out of nothingness and giving it life.

      ↓ Spiritual and physical energy. That is Yin-Yang Release.

      "Yin Release", which creates form out of nothingness and "Yang Release", which breathes life into form. The one with the skill to manipulate those two attributes, the Sage of Six Paths Hagoromo Otsutsuki, developed the "Creation of All Things Technique". He also created the nine bodies of the Tailed Beasts out of the Ten-Tails chakra, making them gifts of Yin-Yang Release. After this, the Uchiha Clan inherited Yin Release and the Senju Clan inherited Yang Release.

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    • Ugh, so how are "six paths" techs any different from "YYR" ones?

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    • After this, the Uchiha Clan inherited Yin Release and the Senju Clan inherited Yang Release.

      So every Uchiha member has Yin Release and every Senju clan member has Yang Release? Might go into their infoboxes, hm?

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    • @Elve: No idea, it just says "Six Paths" there. We still don't know what exactly that is. x)

      Iloveinoxxx wrote:

      After this, the Uchiha Clan inherited Yin Release and the Senju Clan inherited Yang Release.

      So every Uchiha member has Yin Release and every Senju clan member has Yang Release? Might go into their infoboxes, hm?

      I think I made a translation error in that last sentence, so I'd wait for other translations to come around.

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    • @Seel, i think it may be defined as Uchiha genjutsu proficiency and will/ Senju vitality, stamina and recovery

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    • Yes, I think it refers to that, too. There's also the word 色濃い irokoi used, which means strongly tending to. So maybe it's better to translate the last sentence in a way that reflects that the clans powers "strongly tend to Yin or Yang" (Sharinga, Mokuton etc.).

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    • In the same way that Uchiha clan members "have the tendency" for Fire Release?

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    • essentially yes

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    • Some translations from the second part on that page, since I can't understand everything:

      ↑ Naruto, who acquired Hagoromo's power, demonstrates perfect [use?] of the Yin-Yang Release power.

      ← In Hiden Ninjutsu, there are remains of Yin-Yang Release...!!

      Hiden

      Parts of Yin-Yang Release have flown into the basis of general techniques.



      "For example, the Akimichi Clan increases their body mass with Yang Release, [while] the Nara Clan can expand, contract and transform shadows because of Yin Release."

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    • Wow, the show for sure has turned into some weird religious narrative and bad family drama.

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    • Finally, Kishi flat out said Naruto used Yin-Yang Release. Which was obvious, but some of us needed that on a neon sign. There it is.

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    • May I should've added that I'm not entirely sure about that sentence, Fox. Please take each and every translation I post with tons of salt, since my Japanese is really not that good and I could easily miss half of the meaning. There will be better translations coming, so please don't add anything to any article just because I translated it. ;)

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    • Will the new databook include updated stats?

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    • Seelentau wrote: May I should've added that I'm not entirely sure about that sentence, Fox. Please take each and every translation I post with tons of salt, since my Japanese is really not that good and I could easily miss half of the meaning. There will be better translations coming, so please don't add anything to any article just because I translated it. ;)

      I'll take what I can get. Don't ruin my mood, Tau >.>

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    • Reliops wrote: Will the new databook include updated stats?

      No. And I have no idea why not.

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    • If you are referring to Naruto's infobox on the preview then you can't rely on that, it has placeholder stats, for example it says Naruto's age is still 16 on the age part. If you are referring to their actual ability stats then most likely no, that method seems to have been removed so far.

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    • All the other ages are updated, though.

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    • Yeah but that is an example box with exactly the same info as his DB3 infobox, so you know it's not the real deal. He will have updated stats in his new infobox on the 4th. What do you mean everyone else?? We only got Chouza and Akamaru's updated ages. That was it.

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    • Yes, I meant them.

      Also, done by Geg: Ying Yang/Onmyouton page:

      Inton (Yin/Dark), which creates form from nothing, and Youton (Yang/Light), which breathes life into form. Skillfully manipulating these two elements, the Sage of Six Paths, Ootsutsuki Hagoromo, developed the Banbutsu Souzou (Creation of All Things) Jutsu. Creating the nine Bijuu out of the Juubi's chakra was also the result of Onmyouton. Afterwards, Inton was inherited more predominately in the Uchiha clan, while Youton was inherited more predominately in the Senju clan.

      Then, can only the Uchiha and Senju use this power? The answer is no. For example, even without using a Sharingan, the proportional amount of genjutsu that involves "creating form from nothing" is high. Furthermore, there are many "hiden ninjutsu" passed down among specific shinobi clans that are not affiliated with any of the five nature transformations but are instead grounded in Onmyouton. For example, the Akimichi clan uses Youton to expand their bodies' size, while the Nara clan uses Inton to expand, contract, and transform shadows. In the same vein, even without being Uchiha or Senju, shinobi manipulate chakra and use jutsu, and the basis of that is said to be rooted in Onmyouton.

      (Disclaimer, that last sentence confused the hell out of me and I'm not sure if I translated it right)

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    • So we should probably update the Akimichi and Nara members who have used their clan's techniques. Inton and Yoton appear to be confirmed for them.

      Edit: Right? Or would you suggest we wait?

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    • They were confirmed as early as Yamato's explanation, but now that databook has told us which has which.

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    • Rage gtx wrote: So few questions i have:

      Kekkei Mora as classification? - as Kekkei Genkai or Kekkei Tota.

      If TBB is Ninjutsu what we do with tailed beast skill?

      If for exapmle TSB is Kekkei Mora and Naruto stated as user what now?(Same for biju KKG techniques)

      Kaguya, her Amenominaka is Sharinnegan jutsu and Kekkei Mora so her Sharinnegan is Kekkei Mora?

      Bump

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    • Disappointed the Onmyoton section didn't explain the actual requirements to use it (is it exclusive to those with Hagoromo's power, or can anyone potentially use it?) and that the whole Shikamaru/Tayuya thing wasn't elaborated on, but it's nice to have at least some concrete information on Yin and Yang confirmed. Will this finally be the proof needed to list all genjutsu as Yin Release?

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    • It IS proof that all Genjutsu is Yin release, BeyondRed.. some Genjutsu are ALSO different natures added to it too, such as Cii's Lightning release Genjutsu.

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    • ItachiWasAHero wrote: It IS proof that all Genjutsu is Yin release, BeyondRed.. some Genjutsu are ALSO different natures added to it too, such as Cii's Lightning release Genjutsu.

      We've essentially known that ever since Second Mizukage told us, but as of now only his Mirage Genjutsu is listed under Yin Release. I think C's technique was part of the problem, since it was the first example of a technique being two natures at once (which we now know is possible.

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    • So why aren't we adding all this new info and changes to the wiki?

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    • Rage gtx wrote:

      Rage gtx wrote: So few questions i have:

      Kekkei Mora as classification? - as Kekkei Genkai or Kekkei Tota.

      If TBB is Ninjutsu what we do with tailed beast skill?

      If for exapmle TSB is Kekkei Mora and Naruto stated as user what now?(Same for biju KKG techniques)

      Kaguya, her Amenominaka is Sharinnegan jutsu and Kekkei Mora so her Sharinnegan is Kekkei Mora?

      Bump

      1. Yes, it's a classification just like Kekkei Genkai and Kekkei Tota.
      2. Tailed beast skill is a fanon word and not official.
      3. What do you mean?
      4. Yes.

      ItachiWasAHero wrote: So why aren't we adding all this new info and changes to the wiki?

      Because there are still parts left untranslated and not everything is as clear as you guys depict it.

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    • @Seel, what pages from the databook is the Ootsutsuki stuff about having arrived from another world 1000 years ago, Shinju blood etc.?

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    • 216-217

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    • Seelentau wrote:

      1. Yes, it's a classification just like Kekkei Genkai and Kekkei Tota.
      2. Tailed beast skill is a fanon word and not official.
      3. What do you mean?
      4. Yes.
      1. Then it must have be for example like this: Kaguya KKG(Byakugan, Bones) KKM(Sharinnnegan, Six-elements`ton) coz if Amenominaka is jutsu for Kekkei Mora Dojutsu(Sharinnnegan) and Gudōdama is jutsu for some Kekkei Mora elemental nature - or no?
      2. If it's Fanon then for next
      3. Isn't TBS is airbag that not letting list jinchuriki as KKG owners, for example Roshi and Son's lava. I mean if Lava Rasenshuriken will be labeled as KKG and have Naruto as only user, doesn't that mean that Naruto has Lava KKG? Or there(in databook) some sort of page where all KKG owners have listed and user must in it?
      4. Understood.
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      1. Kinda like that, yes.
      2. No, it means that Lava Release is a KKG and Naruto used it by using Son's lava chakra. Naruto himself does not have all those natures and kekkei genkai he used.
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    • If genjutsu is Yin Release as well, we've got a few more to add.

      Btw, does this indirectly confirm anything about Yang Release and medical ninjutsu?

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    • The preview doesn't say anything about Genjutsu so far, does it? As well as medical ninjutsu.

      Edit: Oh wait, it does.

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    • @Seel

      2. Then same goes for Mokuton user no? Because they all(except Hashi and Yamato - who had genes altered) use Mokuton chakra produced by Hashi cells. If we chop off Danzo right shoulder will he retain Mokuton? In chapter 692 Hagoromo said that biju chakra seeped into Naruto(so he is jinchuriki)- translation may be incorrect tho. I meat that: if jinchuriki retains his biju traits even after extraction(Gaara), if he survives of course - his eyes, sand control, magnet release(you can argue it), same chakra pattern(reason he was able to tug of Shikaku from Obito). Or i'm wrong?

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    • If someone has the mutated cells that allow them to use a Kekkei Genkai, then they have that Kekkei Genkai. Naruto did not, he was simply given lava chakra bei Son, he just needed to use it. He can't create it on his own.

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    • And if that cells gone you have Kekkei Genkai no more? So if it is created by flesh attached to you it you then it's KKG but if it is created by chakra sealed in you and you can reproduce that chakra then it's not KKG?

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    • You can't reproduce kekkei genkai chakra if you don't have the cells.

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    • Seelentau wrote: You can't reproduce kekkei genkai chakra if you don't have the cells.

      Correction cells can't give a chakra if you don't have them. And how that's deffers with jinchuriki if throw away biji consciousness?

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    • the cells produce the chakra, you need those to get the kekkei genkei, naruto does not have tailed beats cells, only kuramas tailed beast cells.

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    • @ItachiWasAHero, yet somehow he has KKG chakra.

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    • Because the Biju gave it to him.

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    • Seelentau wrote: Because the Biju gave it to him.

      And if biju not willing to give it and he takes it by force then what?

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    • Rage gtx wrote:

      Seelentau wrote: Because the Biju gave it to him.

      And if biju not willing to give it and he takes it by force then what?

      Then he's no longer Naruto. He's Sasuke.

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    • That won't be happening since he's friends with them.

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    • Elveonora wrote: So if I get it right: Ootsutsuki are essentially "gods" of the Narutoverse and the planet "Naruto" takes place in was made by them? Meaning Kaguya's words about it being her "nursery" weren't just her kidding 0_o

      Do not forget that Obito stated that Hagoromo used the Sword of Nunoboko to shape the world... So it could be that the planet of the ninja could be an Otsutsuki creation.

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    • @Ten Tailed Fox, so in Sasuke case he has KKG? )

      @Seelentau, and if they were not? How taking chakra from buji for own purposes has any differ with taking chakra from first hokage flesh(Hash even may have his consciousness in this chakra)? Both sources alien by origin.

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    • I'll work on some translations tonight, guys. I only have my tablet right now, but it sounds really interesting so far.

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    • LordofBraxis wrote: Do not forget that Obito stated that Hagoromo used the Sword of Nunoboko to shape the world... So it could be that the planet of the ninja could be an Otsutsuki creation.

      Well, I think so too, but Seel says no :P

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    • Rage gtx wrote: @Seelentau, and if they were not? How taking chakra from buji for own purposes has any differ with taking chakra from first hokage flesh(Hash even may have his consciousness in this chakra)? Both sources alien by origin.

      I don't understand what you want from me. Someone who has the cells needed for a Kekkei Genkai has the Kekkei Genkai. Someone who doesn't have the cells can maybe use the Kekkei Genkai if he gets the chakra from other sources, but he can't use it himself.

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    • That seems unlikely. They were a clan of otherworldly travelers searching for the Divine Tree, and only arrived about one millennia ago. Kaguya was already their leader at the time, and she ruled as a tyrant.

      Most likely, Hagoromo used the sword to fight the Ten Tails, reshaping some of the landscape in the process.

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    • @Seel, i only want to know is how you come to that conclusion? Hashirama who has KKG cells consist of them fully and if we rip off any part of his body he still will retain Mokuton(heck even his chakra soul have it), all who got his cells on counter will lose KKG without them(cells). Another example is Kakashi who after loss of Sharingan lost all its KKG jutsu's and Madara who even without eyes can use Susanoo. Now another funny thing jinchuuriki even after losing any part of his body can use his biju power. And in some extent it showed that even after loss of biju jinchuuriki can use it's power(Gaara). My reason is: KKG - thing that you can be only born with and then all Mokuton users exept Hashi and Yamato don't have it as well as Kakashi doesn't have Sharingan and jinchuuriki biju KKG or KKG - is thing that can be acquired by various ways and if you use it then you have it. The state in wikia now: all users of KKG have it exept jinchuuriki because "biju is giving it to them".

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    • FF-Suzaku wrote: That seems unlikely. They were a clan of otherworldly travelers searching for the Divine Tree, and only arrived about one millennia ago. Kaguya was already their leader at the time, and she ruled as a tyrant.

      Most likely, Hagoromo used the sword to fight the Ten Tails, reshaping some of the landscape in the process.

      With all due respect, I disagree. Obito said Hagoromo used the sword to shape and that it can just as easily destroy. If he meant shape terrain in battle, then it would have meant the same as destroy.

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    • I have no idea what you want, Rage. Sorry. :/

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    • Are you guys, the ones that did the translation, planning to translate more pages?

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    • Well, there's not much else to translate. I plan on doing the profile explanation later (if no one else does). Maybe I'll look into the contents page, too.

      Don't know what takL, Geg and the others are up to.

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    • There are no more pages at the moment, I think, but unless plans have changed, Seelentau has ordered the book, so yes, he will provide us will translations once it's out in its entirety, FF-Suzaku too.

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    • No more pages. . . ? But, what about those with Aoda, Danzo (Izanami), Killer B, Indra and Ashura (with their reincarnations). . . or is it just stuff we already know?

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    • Elve is wrong. x)

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    • @Seelentau, ok i simplify as much as i can: You operate with semantic that says: "Lava's chakra(KKG) was given to Naruto by Son and he cannot use it himself"

      To refute that semantic i say:

      1. "Sharingan's chakra(KKG) was given to Kakashi by Obito and he cannot use it himself"
      2. You ignoring fact that Son who gives Naruto lava chakra(KKG) is at Naruto disposal all time - sealed inside him

      Given that two statements explain me please what's difference between: Kakashi using Obito chakra via Obito's eye in his own eye socket to cast Kamui and Naruto using Son chakra via Son's body in his seal to cast Y:RS???

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    • Oh, I get it. Well, according to Ulti, Foxie and others, Kakashi isn't Obito's jinchuuriki, some weird positional requirement logic no one can explain, you know.

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    • Naruto's TSB isn't a Kekkei Mora btw.

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    • So we were right? Foxie's gonna be disappointed.

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    • @Elveonora, so Roshi who somehow taking part of Son's flesh and "installing" it on himself will have Son's KKG, while Roshi who seal's whole Son into himself will not? That's super flawed logic.

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    • Rage gtx wrote: @Elveonora, so Roshi who somehow taking part of Son's flesh and "installing" it on himself will have Son's KKG, while Roshi who seal's whole Son into himself will not? That's super flawed logic.

      Don't blame me, I didn't make that up :P

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    • ...you guys don't understand what Kekkei Genkai and Jinchuriki are, it seems.

      On another note, this is what is said in part [5] of the profile explanation thing:

      The special characteristics this character possesses. There are "Jinchuriki", "Senjutsu", "Kekkei Genkai", "Kekkei Tota", "Kekkei Mora", "Hiden" and "Kuchiyose", character with multiple special characteristics exist, too.

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    • Why no one has asked how the hell Ootsutsuki clan traveled thru space?! there are not even cars in Naruto ._.

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    • Aka Shi Crow wrote: Why no one has asked how the hell Ootsutsuki clan traveled thru space?! there are not even cars in Naruto ._.

      There are no airplanes too, but some people are still flying. . .

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    • @Seelentau, so being "Jinchuriki" somehow interfere with being "Senjutsu" user or so? Didn't Madara had "Jinchuriki", "Senjutsu", "Kekkei Genkai" characteristics at same time?

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    • IKSOKRIPS wrote:

      Aka Shi Crow wrote: Why no one has asked how the hell Ootsutsuki clan traveled thru space?! there are not even cars in Naruto ._.

      There are no airplanes too, but some people are still flying. . .

      But how were they able to fly if chakra didnt exist until Kaguya eated the fruit...?

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    • Rage gtx wrote: @Seelentau, so being "Jinchuriki" somehow interfere with being "Senjutsu" user or so? Didn't Madara had "Jinchuriki", "Senjutsu", "Kekkei Genkai" characteristics at same time?

      No, why would it? These characteristics just show what the characters is able to use.

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    • Seelentau wrote: Naruto's TSB isn't a Kekkei Mora btw.

      That's what you translated from the databook? So what elements should be removed in your opinion, Tau, if any should be at all...

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    • Ok then Seel, does this statement of yours or any other from manga or databook, deny possibility for one have "Jinchuriki" characteristic and because of that have "Kekkei Genkai" characteristic? That's what i ask where did you get that from?? Why person who literally can't turn into Beasts and can use Buju body as his own cannot be attributed as owner(possessor) of his Beast KKG?

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    • Since Naruto doesn't have "Kekkei Genkai" attributed to him, he doesn't have Kekkei Genkai at hand. Only through the Biju inside of him. Same goes for Kekkei Mora.

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    • Seelentau wrote: Since Naruto doesn't have "Kekkei Genkai" attributed to him, he doesn't have Kekkei Genkai at hand. Only through the Biju inside of him. Same goes for Kekkei Mora.

      So what elements would you want to remove?

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    • None, because he can use them through the TB. Just don't add any KKG.

      By the way, ShounenSuki would be glad to help me. Any questions I can send to the grand master?

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    • @Seel, do you have pages of Naruto jutsu's from new databook?

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    • Seelentau wrote: By the way, ShounenSuki would be glad to help me. Any questions I can send to the grand master?

      Interesting. Still contact him? I was told (by you) that he lost interest in the manga. Or is he willing to translate for you?

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    • Rage gtx wrote: @Seel, do you have pages of Naruto jutsu's from new databook?

      No, just what the preview shows.

      WindStar7125 wrote: Interesting. Still contact him? I was told (by you) that he lost interest in the manga. Or is he willing to translate for you?

      Yes, he did (he occasionally skips through it), but he'd help me. :)

      The databook also confirms Yin and Yang to be each one chakra nature.

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    • This databook will provide more wars than peace, Kishi u son of a...

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    • Seelentau wrote:

      WindStar7125 wrote: Interesting. Still contact him? I was told (by you) that he lost interest in the manga. Or is he willing to translate for you?

      Yes, he did (he occasionally skips through it), but he'd help me. :)

      The databook also confirms Yin and Yang to be each one chakra nature.

      Oh? So they are chakra natures. Could possibly lend credibility to Blaze=Fire+Yin, since an advanced nature requires two natures...

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    • Seelentau wrote: No, just what the preview shows.

      So this only your words(no offence). Ok then let's imagine that you right and Naruto as well as other Jinchuriki doesn't have biju KKG. For all Jinchuriki there is no problem but for Naruto's KM(Kekkei Mora) there is. Who's onwer(possessor) of it? Kurama? Ten-tails? All nine biju at same time? ;)

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    • You still don't get what a Kekkei Genkai is, do you?

      And no, it's not my word. It's shown in the previwe and I seriously doubt that it'll change three days before release.

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    • @Seel, so in preview written that naruto doens't have KKG Naruto? Or what? If it is, then our discussion can be considered over ).

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    • Seelentau wrote: Naruto's TSB isn't a Kekkei Mora btw.

      Where in the preview was that stated? It doesn't have an entry for that technique.

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    • Yes, it only says "Jinchuriki", "Senjutsu" and "Kuchiyose" below his nature stats. But he never had a Kekkei Genkai, because he never had the cells he'd need to have one. Having a Biju inside him that has a Kekkei Genkai is not the same as he himself having it, okay? He can always borrow the lava chakra, but he won't ever create it on his own, because he lacks the cells for that.

      FF-Suzaku wrote: Where in the preview was that stated? It doesn't have an entry for that technique.

      If his TSB were Kekkei Mora, he'd have that icon below his nature stats.

      In fact, the only nature he has is Wind Release.

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    • I don't understand the logic we've adhered to that jinchūriki can't have kekkei genkai, even though we know for a fact that they retain their bijū's powers if they survive extraction.

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    • That's the thing though, isn't it? Obito, Madara, and Naruto gained the Truthseeker Orbs passively, as an extension of their transformations. Naruto isn't kekkei anything, but he was able to use advanced transformations thanks to the tailed beasts, and we don't know if the orbs fall under that category. That was always the question, and that entry alone doesn't clarify it.

      There's also the fact that Obito's were identified as having at least 4 natures, which either means it's at least a kekkei tota but it doesn't mean the character has the bloodline power itself, or that Obito's, Naruto's, and Kaguya's are all different.

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    • I hate Truth-Seeking Balls. That is my take away from the past 6 hours of missed discussion.

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    • The databooks only lists what the character has directly. Indirectly, Naruto has all natures and the kekkei genkai, but that's not included in the databook.

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    • Seelentau wrote: The databooks only lists what the character has directly. Indirectly, Naruto has all natures and the kekkei genkai, but that's not included in the databook.

      And that doesn't help us at all. /angryfaceatdatabook

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    • Naruto has the kekkai genkai in his possession but they are not his actual bloodline tech, they are they beast's, who reside in him.

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    • @Seelentau, i may be wrong but isn't pic you reffering(page 14) displaying Naruto status prior Kurama extraction? At that time he didn't have any these powers we talking about.


      @Archangel489, same goes for Kakashi - not one of his children will have Sharingan so it is not in his bloodline tech. While Jinchuriki children can have biju traits - Naruto whiskers for example.

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    • More than anything, I'm annoyed by the fact there aren't any stats included.

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    • The databook will have an entry for the technique that will specifically categorize it. Then the debate can end.

      As for the Jinchuriki using advanced natures after extraction, Gaara is the only example we have and his father had Magnet Release to begin with. Gaara may have been left as a "pseudo Jinchuriki," retaining some of Shukaku's power, or he may be using Magnet Release on the sand somehow, despite it not being metal (Naruto's Magnet Release also used sand). As I recall, Gaara did mix blood (which contains iron) into his sand to strengthen it when he was still a sociopath.

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    • No, he did not. The blood in Gaara's sand came from the people he killed with it.

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    • by kanpyo7 @ NF

      Guys there's some interesting stuff in the ToC, Sarutobi Sasuke even gets a section. Kaguya has another article on her (What we saw was just the article on the genesis of Ninjutsu). There's a section called "Traditions and Kage handed down amongst the Villages" and each individual Village gets their own. Not sure if "kage" here refers to the legends of their Kage or the actual "shadows" of their history.

      Oh, and of course the Three Great Sage places get their own article. Shikkotsurin info incoming?

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    • My boy Sarutobi Sasuke!!

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    • Does it explain how Hagoromo was the jinchuriki of the ten tails?

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    • Yes, and he did that intentionally, believing it made Shukaku stronger. My suggestion being that the iron in the blood enhanced its magnetic properties.

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    • sand can contain small amounts of metal and all metals are magnetic on some level

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    • Please be aware that I still don't act as if the sand = magnet issue was true.

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    • So there's nothing such as tailed beast skill, right? Funny, cause at the end of the day the beasts are "chakra" and "ninjas" manipulate chakra ninjutsu.

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    • Seelentau wrote: Please be aware that I still don't act as if the sand = magnet issue was true.

      Sand is partially made of quartz, which is magnetic.

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    • IKSOKRIPS wrote:

      Seelentau wrote: Please be aware that I still don't act as if the sand = magnet issue was true.

      Sand is partially made of quartz, which is magnetic.

      Good to know, thanks

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    • i hope the book clears up the senju-uzumaki relations and kushina/karin chain techs, plus their healing abilities

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    • So Seel-san am i wrong or am i not, about the page? )

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    • This databook will be insanely awesome.

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    • You are wrong. The databook spans the whole war, so Naruto's stats and information is given as it was at the end of the war (and most likely the end of the manga).

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    • Ok, i take your word.

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    • Speaking of Gaara, the fact he was said to be the only child born to the Yondaime Kazekage to be compatible with Shukaku would indicate he was born with Magnet Release and this somehow made him the ideal candidate.

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    • Elveonora wrote: So we were right? Foxie's gonna be disappointed.

      "Foxie" doesn't give a monkey's left nut if you were right or not. I want the correct information in the correct article so that you will shut up and leave me in peace. But Naruto used Yin-Yang Release, that was confirmed by this databook, and as Tau mentioned, he can use the other natures through the Biju. So nothing changes. See how that works?

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    • Didn't Naruto lose a couple of his new abilities when he lost his right arm? I thought the power he got from the Sage was specifically within his right arm.

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    • Hmm, so my little theory about Akamichi using yang and Nara using Yin is correct? Nice. Yamanaka could go either way. I wonder if these three clans are just off-shoots of the Saurtobi clan who while maintaining their own jutsu traditions and leaders, still answer to the Saurtobi clan in a main house-branch house like relationship, only with more freedom. I really do hope this databook covers this relationship somewhat.

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    • Perception1 wrote: Didn't Naruto lose a couple of his new abilities when he lost his right arm? I thought the power he got from the Sage was specifically within his right arm.

      The mark to use Six Paths Chibaku Tensei was on his right hand, but it vanished when they sealed Kaguya. The seal markings don't appear to be the source of his or Sasuke's power, as they each retained Six Paths Senjutsu and the Rinnegan even after the markings vanished.

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    • Elveonora wrote: Who would have thought years ago that this manga would turn from one about ninja and a boy who wants to prove himself through hardship into moon people/aliens/gods/reincarnations and whatnot.

      It's not unbelievable,I mean these are not you're everyday ninjas with just martial arts.They have superhuman abilities and these abilities/power must have a source or something fueling it.Don't deny the supernatural aspect as part of Naruto genre.From the beginning, Demons (a.k.a tailed beasts) where being summoned,talking animals summoned via dimensional transportation,kamui,king of hell summoned from......maybe hell.All these pointed to Naruto being interdimensional.

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    • IKSOKRIPS wrote: He sealed it's body into the Moon, but he became it's Jinchūriki by taking the Chakra of the Ten-Tailed Best. That's why the Nine Beasts are refeared as Chakra monsters. . . even if they are killed, as living chakra the beast itself will be revived.

      Probably.....I think this beasts are revived based on certain conditions.....For instance the Kyuubi is said to be revived when Human malice has reached its peak.

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    • @Kayuchiha,please stop the pyramid quoting.

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    • Aka Shi Crow wrote: @Kayuchiha,please stop the pyramid quoting.

      Dont get you

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    • Ten Tailed Fox wrote: "Foxie" doesn't give a monkey's left nut if you were right or not. I want the correct information in the correct article so that you will shut up and leave me in peace. But Naruto used Yin-Yang Release, that was confirmed by this databook, and as Tau mentioned, he can use the other natures through the Biju. So nothing changes. See how that works?

      Of course Foxie does ;) But anyway, didn't Seel say he used Six Paths whatever that is related to Yin-Yang Release, but isn't it, or so? Read also above what Seel wrote about Naruto having only "Wind Release" amongst his listed natures (as I predicted).

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    • As I said, the databook (apparently) doesn't include the natures one can have through Tailed Beasts. Only "Wind Release" is marked in Naruto's elemental circle. I don't know the difference between a marked Yin&Yang and an unmarked, so I can't say more about that. But the page about YYR Techniques states that Naruto really has YYR (I could be wrong about this, though. The wording is weird to me).

      To know more about this, we'd need Danzo's page. He should be listed as a Kekkei Genkai user, since he actually has the special DNA. It could also be the case the the Tailed Beast's Kekkei Genkai aren't really Kekkei Genkai, although I think that to be unlikely.

      In the end, it's as always better to wait for the full book. We have a preview and we have some information, but for bigger things, we should wait.

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    • In the databooks, there's something called Konohagakure 100 Leaves Collection. Each "leaf" gives small bits of information about different things. However, there've only been 78 leaves so far (including the ones in the new databook) and they only appear in the databooks. Seeing how there are 22 leaves yet to discover and two of the Kujiin unused, it's possible that we get yet another databook sooner or later.

      Oh, and just in case you didn't know, I collected my translations here. I'm currently working on the ToC.

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    • Or the 22 remaining leaves are in the fanbook and cover post-part II. stats etc.

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    • I doubt that. There've never been leaves in any of the fanbooks and the new fanbook is a limited one, given to the movie audience.

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    • What was it about genjutsu Seel? Still not Yin Release or is it safe to update now?

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    • It's Yin Release, but I ask you not to update anything. The only stuff that should've been updated are the technique names/data and the character data. Everything text-based should be handled carefully for now.

      I asked ShounenSuki about that page, actually. I'd like to hear his translation/opinion as well as Suzakun's on that topic.

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    • Hold up. If genjutsu = Yin Release, does that mean a genjutsu type like Sakura has Yin Release?

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    • Can she use genjutsu?

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    • Reliops wrote: Hold up. If genjutsu = Yin Release, does that mean a genjutsu type like Sakura has Yin Release?

      It means that anyone who preformed genjutsu would have Yin Release. Like Tau said, though, wait.

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    • Reliops wrote: Hold up. If genjutsu = Yin Release, does that mean a genjutsu type like Sakura has Yin Release?

      she has the affinity for it but not the nature yet

      ex. when naruto learnt he had wind but clearly couldn't use it yet

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    • WindStar7125 wrote: Can she use genjutsu?

      She's been identified as a genjutsu type twice by Kakashi and broken out of powerful genjutsu on two occasions, so I assume she has to know at least one.

      Ten Tailed Fox wrote: It means that anyone who preformed genjutsu would have Yin Release. Like Tau said, though, wait.

      Orochimaru never used Wood Release but we know he has it, so by that logic, shouldn't we still list her as possessing Yin Release? What about Yang Release, if that's confirmed Yang Release, as being the component for medical ninjutsu.

      Rayzur wrote: she has the affinity for it but not the nature yet

      ex. when naruto learnt he had wind but clearly couldn't use it yet

      If she has the affinity, as has been stated in the manga twice, I'm of the opinion it should be listed.

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    • Reliops wrote:

      WindStar7125 wrote: Can she use genjutsu?

      She's been identified as a genjutsu type twice by Kakashi and broken out of powerful genjutsu on two occasions, so I assume she has to know at least one.

      But that's just it. An assumption. We wait for more from the databook and our translators, rather than just take action.

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    • If Geg's words are confirmed by ShounenSuki and Suzakun, we can add everyone who ever used a Genjutsu as a Yin Release user. If Sakura didn't use a Genjutsu, but was said to be skilled in using them, we can obviously add her, too.

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    • So Seel-san, have Rinnesharingan been confirmed? If yes now we must delete it's entry from Madara page. )


      But wait for second by right understanding of KKG he can't have it even if it's Rinnegan.

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    • WindStar7125 wrote:

      Reliops wrote:

      WindStar7125 wrote: Can she use genjutsu?

      She's been identified as a genjutsu type twice by Kakashi and broken out of powerful genjutsu on two occasions, so I assume she has to know at least one.

      But that's just it. An assumption. We wait for more from the databook and our translators, rather than just take action.

      It isn't an assumption, it is a fact. Kakashi identified Sakura twice as an exceptional genjutsu type. If it is confirmed that genjutsu = Yin Release, she is getting added.

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    • @Ten Tailed Fox, will you delete "forhead eye" from Madara KKG?

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    • Rage gtx wrote: So Seel-san, have Rinnesharingan been confirmed? If yes now we must delete it's entry from Madara page. )


      But wait for second by right understanding of KKG he can't have it even if it's Rinnegan.

      Yes, that eye is called Rinne Sharingan and is a Kekkei Mora.

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    • @Seel, i ment that whatever it is, it's still tailed beast skill for Madara, not KKG(or KKM) for Madara, no?

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    • I have no idea how to awaken the Rinne Sharingan, so I can't answer that right now.

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    • Seelentau wrote: I have no idea how to awaken the Rinne Sharingan, so I can't answer that right now.

      We already know. Madara said the method and its origin in the chapter he awakens it: One who has the power of Samasara (Rinne) must approach the moon, awakening the third eye. He comments on this as he awakened it so I assume that's as official as it gets. How Kaguya got it is anyone's guess, but Madara proposed a method, based on the stone tablet, and then proved it.

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    • Rage gtx wrote: @Seel, i ment that whatever it is, it's still tailed beast skill for Madara, not KKG(or KKM) for Madara, no?

      Meant * Tailed beast skill its a fanon term we use to describe an ability granted by a bijuu, but since it's a non-official category(doesn't exist) Rinne Sharingan will stay as Kekkei Mora.

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    • Ten Tailed Fox wrote: It isn't an assumption, it is a fact. Kakashi identified Sakura twice as an exceptional genjutsu type. If it is confirmed that genjutsu = Yin Release, she is getting added.

      Oh okay.

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    • It will always stay as a Kekkei Mora, because Kaguya's jutsu is one and she used it with her Rinne Sharingan.

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    • Seelentau wrote: I have no idea how to awaken the Rinne Sharingan, so I can't answer that right now.

      By being Ten-tail's jinchuriki who has the eye, or in other word using buji power not his own, so no eye KKM for Madara. ;)

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    • Yeah... you still don't get what Kekkei Genkai are. Just read the article, please.

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    • @Ten Tailed Fox, you forgot being Ten-tail's jinchuuriki part.


      Seelentau wrote: Yeah... you still don't get what Kekkei Genkai are. Just read the article, please.

      How's that? You the one who telled me that power that jinchuuriki gain's from Beast it, cannot be considered as his own. And now Madara who did same somehow attributed as owner of power. And i one who don't get Kekkei Genkai, cool!


      @Aka Shi Crow, what Sasuke has is rinnegan, and Obito had same Rinne Sharingan as part of his Tailed beast mode, now it's he too must be added somehow.

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    • Rage gtx wrote:

      Seelentau wrote: I have no idea how to awaken the Rinne Sharingan, so I can't answer that right now.

      By being Ten-tail's jinchuriki who has the eye, or in other word using buji power not his own, so no eye KKM for Madara. ;)

      Ten tails doesnt grant third eye, obito didnt had it, bijuu power doesnt grant it too since no one has seen Naruto with a third eye.

      Sasuke got the Rinne Sharingan without any minimal part of TT.

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    • Sasuke doesn't have the Rinne Sharingan.

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    • Rage gtx wrote: @Ten Tailed Fox, you forgot being Ten-tail's jinchuriki part.

      That isn't a requirement. Madara said that only those with the power of Rinne, who then approach the moon, gain the third eye. The Ten-Tails isn't a requirement.

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    • @Ten Tailed Fox, so everyone with two Rinnegan's who fly near moon will gain this Kekkei Mora somehow? Are you serious?

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    • Portal technique and dimension technique should be one technique. If they were seperate technique, Kishi would name portal technique.

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    • Salamancc wrote: Portal technique and dimension technique should be one technique. If they were seperate technique, Kishi would name portal technique.

      Maybe he did?

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    • The tailed beasts advanced natures can't be termed as kekkai genkai since they don't have "bloodlines", right?

      also, how does roshi use the lava release with all those seals if he's just "given" lava chakra, cos the seals should bring forth the justu through mixing earth and fire natures.

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    • And why we forgot Madara word addressed to Hashirama: He said that eye forming in tree bud will cast IT, but because there is little 8 and 9 tails chakra it will take some time, so Ten-tails need all his original chakra to regain his eye, while Madara so badass that all he need is fly near moon and he will gain same eye.

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    • Rayzur wrote: The tailed beasts advanced natures can't be termed as kekkai genkai since they don't have "bloodlines", right?

      also, how does roshi use the lava release with all those seals if he's just "given" lava chakra, cos the seals should bring forth the justu through mixing earth and fire natures.

      1. The new databook will hopefully answer that.
      2. He learned how to mix earth and fire.
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    • Seelentau wrote: Sasuke doesn't have the Rinne Sharingan.

      Really? Then his Rinnegan with Sharingan commas its just a normal Rinnegan? or its called other way?

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    • Aka Shi Crow wrote:

      Seelentau wrote: Sasuke doesn't have the Rinne Sharingan.

      Really? Then his Rinnegan with Sharingan commas its just a normal Rinnegan? or its called other way?

      His left eye is a light purple Rinnegan that can deactivate the Infinite Tsukuyomi.

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    • @Seelentau, one more thing, if Rinne Sharingan is Madara's own KKG why did he lost it after beasts extraction? And mean not loss of pattern like was with his Rinnegan, but loss "his own eye" from forhead.

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    • Seelentau wrote:

      Rayzur wrote: The tailed beasts advanced natures can't be termed as kekkai genkai since they don't have "bloodlines", right?

      also, how does roshi use the lava release with all those seals if he's just "given" lava chakra, cos the seals should bring forth the justu through mixing earth and fire natures.

      1. The new databook will hopefully answer that.
      2. He learned how to mix earth and fire.

      thanks, just one more question. Does that mean roshi already has earth and fire or he gained it from Goku? Cos that would mean Naruto can eventually produce lava on his own if the latter holds true

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    • WindStar7125 wrote: His left eye is a light purple Rinnegan that can deactivate the Infinite Tsukuyomi.

      What is the diference between Rinne Sharingan and Sasuke's Rinnegan? just the color and the tomoe or there are more?

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    • Aka Shi Crow wrote:

      WindStar7125 wrote: His left eye is a light purple Rinnegan that can deactivate the Infinite Tsukuyomi.

      What is the diference between Rinne Sharingan and Sasuke's Rinnegan? just the color and the tomoe or there are more?

      Read their articles.

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    • Rage gtx wrote: @Seelentau, one more thing, if Rinne Sharingan is Madara's own KKG why did he lost it after beasts extraction? And mean not loss of pattern like was with his Rinnegan, but loss "his own eye" from forhead.

      • sigh*

      Read what I'm writing. I won't answer your questions any longer if you don't do that.

      Rayzur wrote: thanks, just one more question. Does that mean roshi already has earth and fire or he gained it from Goku? Cos that would mean Naruto can eventually produce lava on his own if the latter holds true

      Wasn't stated. The third databook just says that he travelled and at the end, he knew how to mix earth and fire to create lava, and that Yon had something to do with it.

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    • @Seel, Thanks. It's sad that the databooks lead to more confusion, smh

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    • @Seel don't need to worry about that. I have no intention to continue this pointless discuss any longer. For some reason it's i who don't get Kekkei Genkai. Yet it is you who has two different outcomes from two same positions: One for Madara and one rest of other Jinchūriki. Have nice day.

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    • Rage gtx wrote: @Seel don't need to worry about that. I have no intention to continue this pointless discuss any longer. For some reason it's i who don't get Kekkei Genkai. Yet it is you who has two different outcomes from two same positions: One for Madara and one rest of other Jinchūriki. Have nice day.

      i think i get you're arguement, you believe since madara gained the eye because of the Ten-tails it can't be a kekkai mora like kaguya right? but at the end of the day if the databook assigns the kekkai mora to madara then that will be final.

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    • Okay, I'll explain this one last time, even though this has been the wrong thread all the time:
      A Kekkei Genkai can be two things: The genetic mutation that occurs in some people's DNA or the resulting abilities that those people have.
      Son Goku has (likely) both: The genetic mutation called Lava Release and the resulting ability, also called Lava Release.
      Naruto doesn't have both: He doesn't have the genetic mutation, so he can't use the ability on his own. But since he can use Roshi's premade Lava Release, he can still use the ability. That's why he is listed as having the Kekkei Genkai Lava Release.
      Regarding Madara, we don't know exactly how the Rinne Sharingan is awakened (Yes Fox, I read your comment, but still) or what exactly a Kekkei Mora is, so I can't explain it to you. But it's likely that it's same as it is with Son Goku and Naruto.
      Understood?

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    • I'm all for Sakura being listed as the nature of Yin Release if info suggests about genjutsu. But she only dispelled it. That's genjutsu skill mixed with chakra control, knowledge but she never actually casted it. And I'm sure if she wanted to should would. She could use genjutsu but she doesn't so I don't believe she should be listed whether Kakashi said it. Which technically he said she had an aptitude for it. Doesn't mean she uses it.

      Edit: Who knows in the movie, The Last, she might use it then we can give it to her seeing how the movie is canon seemingly.

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    • @Seel, I know you just said we don't know exactly what Kekkei Mora is (don't worry, I read), I just thought that it's a genetic ability to merge all 5 (well, 7) natures into one, so I kinda don't get how an eye can also be a kekkei mora.

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    • Yes, Tau, did the databook state that the Rinne Sharingan is a Kekkei Mora?

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    • Kaguya's Dojutsu was called Kekkei Mora.

      And a little bit information from page 17 :
      "The 'Yotsuki Clan', that's inhabitating the Unraikyo since generations. They approved the First Raikage, and gave away their land."

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    • Seelentau wrote: Kaguya's Dojutsu was called Kekkei Mora.

      Then we have an issue. I created the Rinne Sharingan article under the Kekkei Genkai form, since there was no Kekkai Mora form. The only way for techniques such as Kaguya's teleporation and the Infinite Tsukuyomi to appear in the Rinne Sharingan article's jutsu infobox is for them to be listed as KG in their articles. A Kekkei Mora form for articles must be created, with it being identical to the KG form.

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    • Someone should create a Kekkei Mora form asap.

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    • Contact TU3 to see if he can help us out.

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    • Tau, Sajuuk has told me that UltimateSupreme would be of help as well.

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    • Rachin123 wrote: I'm all for Sakura being listed as the nature of Yin Release if info suggests about genjutsu. But she only dispelled it. That's genjutsu skill mixed with chakra control, knowledge but she never actually casted it. And I'm sure if she wanted to should would. She could use genjutsu but she doesn't so I don't believe she should be listed whether Kakashi said it. Which technically he said she had an aptitude for it. Doesn't mean she uses it.

      Edit: Who knows in the movie, The Last, she might use it then we can give it to her seeing how the movie is canon seemingly.

      We were told Nagato mastered the five basic elements. He didn't use them all, but we listed them anyway. This goes for nearly everyone else we've listed with the five basic natures. Orochimaru can use Wood Release but has never used it either, and yet we listed him.

      If genjutsu = Yin Release then it's only logical to list known genjutsu types with it.

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    • I know that. But Sakura only has an apitutude for it. It was never said she uses genjutsu. At least that way we could actually give it to her. Dispelling is a totally different story. She shouldn't be listed as a user despite her potential skill. I think we should also wait for the movie. She might come out with genjutsu which would great. Again I'm all for Sakura but she shouldn't get that, at least not until we know of her abilities in the new movie.

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    • Rachin123 wrote: I know that. But Sakura only has an apitutude for it. It was never said she uses genjutsu. At least that way we could actually give it to her. Dispelling is a totally different story. She shouldn't be listed as a user despite her potential skill. I think we should also wait for the movie. She might come out with genjutsu which would great. Again I'm all for Sakura but she shouldn't get that, at least not until we know of her abilities in the new movie.

      This wiki had a long standing policy of adding things to info based on potential. We don't need see Sakura use genjutsu to add Yin Release to her info box if we know she has an affinity for it. It's like her being a genjutsu type was a throw away line either. It's been stated at least twice.

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    • Reliops wrote:

      Rachin123 wrote: I know that. But Sakura only has an apitutude for it. It was never said she uses genjutsu. At least that way we could actually give it to her. Dispelling is a totally different story. She shouldn't be listed as a user despite her potential skill. I think we should also wait for the movie. She might come out with genjutsu which would great. Again I'm all for Sakura but she shouldn't get that, at least not until we know of her abilities in the new movie.

      This wiki had a long standing policy of adding things to info based on potential. We don't need see Sakura use genjutsu to add Yin Release to her info box if we know she has an affinity for it. It's like her being a genjutsu type was a throw away line either. It's been stated at least twice.

      has she cast genjustu yet? nah but she has an affinity for it so it's 100% possible she can use it if she learns too but that differs from nagato who was trained in those natures even though not canonically seen. Besides if we list sakura, then every shinobi should be listed since from the translations of YYR, its fundamental to jutsu and every shinobi uses it on some level.

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    • @Reliops I never heard it say she had an affinity for it. An aptitude yes. Is it possible she could use genjutsu? Absolutely. But she hasn't used it. It hasn't gave us any initiative to say she is. Not even once. It's been yes twice she has a aptitude for it. I know that but should that mean that because Ino has good chakra control being a medical-nin she should be labeled as a Yin Release user. How about every other meducal-nin. It goes something like that. It takes more. The only thing we can get is she has great chakra control which goes with dispelling genjutsu. That's one thing. But casting is different. Thus I vote no. I feel like a thread should be created for her having Yin Release.

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    • Archangel489
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    • It isn't.

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    • Elve, The nine tailed beasts still didn't exist if hagoromo only had the ten tailed chakra. What I want to know was how did he survive removing them? Clinging on to a little bit of chakra since the demonic statue is out of the question now?

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    • Archangel489 wrote:

      Seelentau wrote: It isn't.

      It was listed as both last time I checked

      Yes, because there are some issues with the boxes. We're working on it. :)

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    • Sorry I spoke too soon

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    • I guess my name is incorrect.

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    • Seelentau wrote: Someone should create a Kekkei Mora form asap.

      No need. UltimateSupreme successfully created a Kekkei Mora parameter for the Kekkei Genkai form. ^_^

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    • That was almost two days ago...

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    • Seelentau wrote: That was almost two days ago...

      Not really. Sure, he created the parameter two days ago, but the whole process wasn't done by then. For example, Amenominaka and Infinite Tsukuyomi weren't appearing in the Rinne Sharingan's jutsu section. I requested for him to get that done just some hours ago.

      Edit: Well that comment you wrote that I just responded to was two days ago... but I was waiting for everything to be sorted out.

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    • Uh why isn't Naruto's TSB listed as a Kekkei Mora?

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    • Because it isn't. I already told you, Tau said it isn't a Kekkei Mora. That's what he got from the databook.

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    • I meant, what did the page say on Truth-Seeking Ball?

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    • Read this comment.

      I'll do my best in explaining this: For example, Son Goku and Roshi both have Lava Release. But the tailed beast has the Kekkei Genkai LR, the jinchuuriki does not, because the nature does not originate from the jinchuuriki's bloodline, but the TB's. Same with Kaguya. Kaguya is the Ten-Tails, a tailed beast. The TSB comes from her bloodline. She has the Kekkei Mora TSB. Not Naruto. Naruto is a jinchuuriki, the TSB doesn't come from his bloodline. Having the TSB page wouldn't make a difference.

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    • Not sure if anyone has brought this up yet, but the section on the Ōtsutsuki and the origins of chakra once again calls the tree Obito produced the Shinju, rather than some sort of "tree form" of Ten-Tails. We should probably wait until we get the character entries on Kaguya and/or Ten-Tails before making any changes, but it appears that it was indeed another form of the Shinju.

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    • I fully translated the preview of the Shinobi Compendium, including the stupid poem with all the weird-sounding archaic yojijukugo idioms.

      You can read it here: User:FF-Suzaku/Databook_4/Shinobi_Compendium.

      Key points:

      • The Otsutsuki clan migrated to Earth from another world in search of the Divine Tree's fruit.
      • After sealing the Gedo Statue, Hamura took leadership of the clan and decreed that they would guard the statue, while Hagoromo stayed behind to preach ninshu to the people.
      • When he realized he was near death, Hagoromo partitioned the Ten Tails' chakra to create the bodies of the nine Tailed Beasts.
      • After being tempted by Black Zetsu, Indra rejected "ninshu" and in defiance used his inherent talent to invent "ninjutsu," with which he challenged Asura. Thus Indra was the originator and first user of ninjutsu.
      • Creation of All Things is fully named Creation of All Things Technique (万物創造の術, Banbutsu Sōzō no Jutsu).
      • Although the "fragments of Yin-Yang Release" form the basis of many techniques, shinobi have historically been unable truly use Yin-Yang Release.
      • It states that Naruto was able to perfectly demonstrate the power of Yin-Yang Release after obtaining Hagoromo's power. The panel this caption goes with is the one in which Naruto is trying to explain to Sakura how he created Kakashi's new left eye, meaning he used Yin-Yang Release to create it, not just Yang Release to "regenerate" it.
      • The Uchiha tended to inherit Yin Release power, while the Senju tended to inherit Yang Release power.
      • Genjutsu, including those cast with the Sharingan, are primarily Yin Release.
      • Many hiden (secret tradition) jutsu are based on Yin Release and Yang Release.
        • The Akimichi Clan's body expansion techniques are Yang Release.
        • The Nara Clan's shadow manipulation techniques are Yin Release.

      I'll translate the other two sections when they're available. Beyond that I'll probably only translate a few other things that specifically interest me or that would help clarify unresolved issues.

      Note: I'll be using the official Viz terminology on this because I'm using the official English translations as a reference source while working on it.

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    • I always thought kakashi's eye replacement was yin-yang not just yang, since naruto wouldn't be able to breath life(yang) into the eye without actually forming the vessel with yin. He was having trouble explaining that though lol

      This means that the seal was only for the six paths chibaku tensei, and the rikudo gave them his whole chakra (yin&yang) rather than partitioning like we thought.

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    • FF-Suzaku wrote:

      • It states that Naruto was able to perfectly demonstrate the power of Yin-Yang Release after obtaining Hagoromo's power. The panel this caption goes with is the one in which Naruto is trying to explain to Sakura how he created Kakashi's new left eye, meaning he used Yin-Yang Release to create it, not just Yang Release to "regenerate" it.
      • The Uchiha tended to inherit Yin Release power, while the Senju tended to inherit Yang Release power.

      So gaining Hagoromo's power grants Yin-Yang Release? Makes sense.

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    • Can Naruto still use said YYR or was that lost with the tattoo?

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    • so what the nine tails said about hagoromo having the gedo statue sealed in him was wrong reminds me of the lunarians and final fantasy 4 coming from another planet, creating the moon, guarding the moon, advancing humans.

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    • Shakhmoot wrote: The databook's full cover with both sides:

      https://twitter.com/NARUTO_kousiki/status/529215930299998209/photo/1

      Sasuke's Rinnegan is missing three tomoe. ._____.

      Oh and that's the official Naruto twitter account. :)

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    • From the moment they assumed humanoid form,mankind.........this part was interesting.

      Hiden jutsu is considered either yin or yang.What about Hashirama's wood techs.(Nativity of a world of trees).......Is it considered yang release

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    • Not yet.

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    • Elveonora wrote: Can Naruto still use said YYR or was that lost with the tattoo?

      There's really no indication that the seals were their source of power, since they continued to use their new abilities even after the markings vanished.

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    • If Naruto used YYR to recreate Kakashi's eye, does that mean he used Creation of All Things?

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    • No.

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    • So the data book doesn't seem to supply more specific info on how Naruto used YYR then?

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    • No idea, all info that we have came from the preview and I think we know everything we can, right now.

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    • How long does it take for the english version to be published after the original's release?

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