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  • WindStar7125
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    23:10, November 14, 2014

    Considering the last chapters, we have allowed ONE shipping discussion. This is warning #1: NO fanon pairing discussions.

    If fanon pairings are discussed, comments will be removed. If it continues and the thread turns into a discussion of fanon pairings because of that comment, responses will be removed and the violator will be banned for 24 hours.

    Any complaints about these rules will automatically lead to a ban, ranging from three days to one week.

    Also, try not discuss pairings in any other threads but this one.

    And finally, if a certain number of comments about fanon pairings are found in this thread, it will be closed, and we'll revert back to never having pairing discussions, canon or not.

    That being said, discuss canon pairings and ONLY that.

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    • Ok then one question is that girl from sand with Kiba?

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    • Rage gtx wrote: Ok then one question is that girl from sand with Kiba?

      It's the cat girl. Sasuke went and got supplies from her and her grandmother before fighting Itachi.

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    • Does anyone else find ChojiXKarui a bit odd? I mean how did that happen?

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    • Only the Shikamari pairing really made any sense for me.

      Saino didn't really make any sense, there was really nothing to go on. Plus, their kid looks kinda creepy.

      Naruhina was OK with me, since the movie is gonna deal with it.

      SASKURA. NO. NONONONONONONONONONONONO!

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    • Where are the chapters located?

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    • DVB

      The pairiing with Chouji was surprising to say the least. Either it was me or was Rock Lee not in the final chapter?

      Beyond that, some were surprising, others weren't. We didn't see the potential others of some of the others, if they did have someone at all.

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    • SaiXIno made some sense, I mean they had a few moments, Sai calling Ino beautiful, Ino thinking he looked attractive (like Sasuke) plus since Sakura got Sasuke it was inevitable Ino gets Sai. ChojiXKarui KibaXCat girl however both make very little sense. I mean at least TentenXLee (I think that is what happened) also made some sense... kind of...

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    • No location? I can't find them anywhere.

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    • In order.

      Hinata x Naruto, I shipped that. So really not surprised.

      Sasuke x Sakura, again nobody is surprised.

      Shikamaru x Temari, seriously that surprised nobody but those two.

      Choji x Karui, straight out of flipping nowhere. Though I love their daughter so I'm perfectly fine with this.

      Ino x Sai, not surprised. The only people she liked was him and Sasuke and nobody was crazy enough to like that crazy other than the pink haired crazy.

      Neji x Graveyard soil. Lulz.

      Rock Lee x Someone, best of luck.

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    • Soul reaper wrote: It's the cat girl. Sasuke went and got supplies from her and her grandmother before fighting Itachi.

      Wow that was completely outta nowhere.

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    • TheUltimate3 wrote:

      Neji x Graveyard soil. Lulz.

      Rock Lee x Someone, best of luck.

      im still suprised that naruto didnt make a hokage head for obito too -_- ^_^

      nejis fate is still better than ankos ^_^

      and, rock lee x tenten, im to 100% sure ^_^

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      • NaruHina - some development, mostly one-sided > canon
      • SasuSaku > miminal development, mostly negative > canon
      • InoSai > nonexistent development > canon
      • ChōRui > nonexistent development > canon
      • ShikaTema > some development > canon
      • SasuKarin > some development, mostly one-sided > not canon
      • NaruSaku > obnoxious levels of development > not canon

      Only one ship that should've been canon was made canon, and that is ShikaTema. The rest were just slapped together out of randomness and capitulation. Fuck this ending.

      Naruto and Sakura didn't talk. No closure on that front whatsoever. So much for that whole promise of a lifetime business and obnoxious parallels.

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    • TheUltimate3 wrote:

      Soul reaper wrote: It's the cat girl. Sasuke went and got supplies from her and her grandmother before fighting Itachi.

      Wow that was completely outta nowhere.

      No kidding. At least the didn't have any creepy looking kids (looking at you Sai and Ino's pasty demon spawn).

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    • There's something i want to confirm again with these generation,how long has it been since the movie or how long has it been since Naruto and Sasuke's fight?

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    • LOL the last and first official shipping dicussion in this wiki.

      I love how Naruhina turned out, since I shipped them since the start of the series, and I loved how Hinata was just... there. She just stuck it out till the end, and she reminds me a bit of Ginny from HP, even though I'm not into the series.

      Sasusaku I grew to love, and I like it much more than Sasukarin, which has less development and was less heartfelt (and besides that Karin is slightly creepy).

      SHIKATEMA HOOORAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH. THAT WAS LIKE THE BESTEST THING EVER. I mean I think we all had an inkling of the main pairings that would come, but I was sooooooo afraid that Shikatema wouldn't happen.

      Inosai? Awww well that's cute.

      Choji x Karui WHATTTTTTTTTTT (I THOUGH IT WAS OMOI AND KARUI. NEVERMIND.)

      To all my fellow shippers: it has been nice silently arguing with you and shooting daggers through computer screens. I'm just kidding I love you guys :) :) :)

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    • I hope to see NaruxHina couple in The Last? How did Hinata change a lot to be with Naruto?

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    • Soul reaper wrote:

      Rage gtx wrote: Ok then one question is that girl from sand with Kiba?

      It's the cat girl. Sasuke went and got supplies from her and her grandmother before fighting Itachi.

      Tamaki

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    • urm, i love sasusaku. *raises hand awkwardly*

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    • are yall gonna change hinata's and sakura's last name to uzumaki and uchiha then?

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    • To all of the people who said "R.I.P to SasuSaku", yeah how you feeling?

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    • Eric Burrell wrote: To all of the people who said "R.I.P to SasuSaku", yeah how you feeling?

      I'm not a die-hard shipper, but Sakura and Sasuke, BOTH, having deep feelings for each other was becoming obvious since the past 20 chapters.. ;)

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    • The only particular nettle that stuck in my behind throughout all those years is that of "only a chakra transfer". That was the one that stung. Other than calling Sakura a tramp, and Hinata a twit. Those also were particularly sharp thorns. Well, I know even if it had an ambiguous ending, fans would've been angry. If it was NS, they would've been angry. It's NH/SS, they're angry. Seriously people, we would've been angry either way so I guess we would've been happy either way too, so let's just, um, be happy, I guess.

      (SHIKATEMA HOO-RAH)

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    • Naruto & Hinata: This was obvious. Hinata has been following Naruto around all her life, and his life. Naruto held her hand, which was already the nail in the coffin for me.

      Sasuke & Sakura: This was obvious. Sakura has always loved Sasuke. Sasuke, on the other hand, always had a love-hate relationship with her, but you could tell her liked her due to the fact she followed him as much as Naruto. I mean, the girl damn near got killed trying to bring him back herself. Although with Sasuke leaving at the end of part two, we can assume him and Sakura had a quickie before he left.

      Ino & Sai: While this pairing was touched on much, Sai was basically supposed to be the "new" Sasuke. Of course Ino wasn't going to get Sasuke, so Sai is the next best thing. Besides, Ino's dream while in Infinite Tsukuyomi was Sai and Sasuke fighting over her. Apparently Sai fought more.

      Shikamaru & Temari: This was obvious. Every since their first fight, these two have had a weird relationship. Part two did nothing but solidify this fact.

      Chouji & Karui: This was kinda of random, I'll admit, but Kishi was probably trying to make a sexual reference to the fact Chouji can expand his body, and black women tend to like big meat. Plus, it's stereotypical for a white man to get with a black women.

      Rock Lee & Unknown: With a guy like Rock Lee, I'm sure stamina wasn't a problem. But with Dai never being officially announced as Gai's dad, Rock Lee's "son" is probably not his son.

      Kiba & Tamaki: I'm sure this is the granddaughter of the cat lady, but for the sake of my life, I can't seem to find her name (I see you guys have listed it). I guess it makes sense to mix dogs and cats as a symbol of peace.

      Overall, some pairings were predictable, some out there, and some unknown. I don't recall Shino having a child. That concerns me.

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    • Hisana456 wrote:

      Eric Burrell wrote: To all of the people who said "R.I.P to SasuSaku", yeah how you feeling?

      I'm not a die-hard shipper, but Sakura and Sasuke, BOTH, having deep feelings for each other was becoming obvious since the past 20 chapters.. ;)

      Sakura's whining wasn't put to waste. Thank God.

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    • All i can say that The NaruXHina and SakuxSasu being cannon has completely destroyed the dreams of NaruxSaku fans

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    • Madnesscrazy wrote: All i can say that The NaruXHina and SakuxSasu being cannon has completely destroyed the dreams of NaruxSaku fans

      I know right! I've always hated NaruSaku xD

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    • @IndxcvNovelist and @Madnesscrazy, A-freaking-men. Just Amen.

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    • Shikamaru and Temari is honestly the only pair that makes any sort of sense. Naruto and Hinata might become more reasonable when the movie comes out, but for now...it's such an asspull: "You told me you loved me that one time and also I don't want Neji to haunt my ass...so yeah, I'll totally hook up with you!"

      Everything else is a sign that Kishimoto reads too much fanfiction.

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    • after close inspection, it was definitely tamaki. http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Tamaki

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    • I'm waiting for someone to change the pages to Sakura Uchiha and Hinata Uzamaki

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    • Sulina wrote: I hope to see NaruxHina couple in The Last? How did Hinata change a lot to be with Naruto?

      Well, according to trailers the movie should show how this two finally got together. Or more specifically - what happens that Naruto finally noticed her.

      So girl with Kiba is Tamaki. Completely forgotten that she existed :D

      ChoujixKarui - probably the biggest surprise.

      Eric Burrell wrote: I'm waiting for someone to change the pages to Sakura Uchiha and Hinata Uzamaki

      Why? Kushina got married to Minato and no one changed her last name to Namikaze.

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    • bah! ... now you guys can just start shipping the NEXT generation, Boruto and Sarada anyone?

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    • Besides, there's a trope for all of these final pairing "pairing the spares"

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    • Sarada = Sasuke + Madara (Marada, whatever)?

      Boruto = Boring + Naruto ?

      That's all I can say.


      Anyways, Naruto & Hinata makes sense, and I actually love this pairing... shipped them since the beginning.

      Sasuke and Sakura doesn't make much sense to me, since Sakura turned into Karin when she forgave him like - whatever.

      Shikamaru and Temari are also great together, since their fight in the Chuunin Exam.

      Sai & Ino make some sense too... although their kid looks creepy and they both look weird together.

      The others... meh.

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    • Blaezej wrote: Anyways, Naruto & Hinata makes sense, and I actually love this pairing... shipped them since the beginning.

      Shikamaru and Temari are also great together, since their fight in the Chuunin Exam.

      Hinata deserved to get the boy she wanted. Though it is interesting what is her standing in clan now. Is she still in or she left by marriage?

      Shikamaru and Temari was obvious, especially after chapter with Shikamaru in Infinite Tsukuyomi where she was beside him (funny how he said then that he will not marry, and yet married in reality anyway :D)

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    • NH - no surprise after all the stuff going on for the movie, but I'm highly against this because there was such minimal development of this pairing in the series outside Naruto vs Neji, Hinata's "death", and Neji's death. The Last will have to really impress if this is to win me over.

      SS - WTF??? I am extremely angry at this. It ignores all character development that Sakura experienced over the series. Plus, if SaiIno was going to happen, this should never have, since the pairings are basically the exact same thing. Oh - and their daughter looks far more like Karin than Sakura.

      The rest of the pairings are fine with me, though I am surprised, albeit satisfied, with ChojixKarui. They may not mention it, but I think LeeTen happened, since Lee clearly got married and Tenten's fate came right after.

      To be honest, I think Studio Pierrot or Jump forced Kishi to do NH and SS, since they always rave nonsense about it while Kishi clearly had something else in mind.

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    • Gemnist, once Naruto cleared Sasuke's evil intentions, he became a person who no one say coming. His apology meant a lot to Sakura.

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    • @Gemnist

      Kishimoto never really wrote a good romantic relationship in this manga so don't expect too much from the movie. At least with Naruto and Hinata and Sasuke and Sakura there was things, albeit mostly one sided. Kiba with Tamaki is more like a joke and Chouji with Karui is "because".

      And still it is a level or two above Dragon Ball.

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    • @Eric Still, even that ignores development. How the hell does someone fall in love with a girl after not giving a &#^* about her in a matter of seconds? The apology may have meant a lot, but then again Kishi also chose to ignore things previously laid on the table shortly before, like the lifetime promise (Ch. 693) and the forehead comment (alluded to in 699 - unless Sasuke's daydreaming about Itachi again).

      @Bambusek Agree, though with other pairings (which I can't mention) there was at least development on both sides. You yourself say that the others are one-sided. As for DB, we didn't need a hardcore romance when we had Goku and Gohan's parental bond.

      Eventually, things really don't add up to one another in numerous ways. Like it or not, the movie will have to clear things up since it's the only thing that can. Kishi's putting emphasis on romance anyways.

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    • Anyone else kinda worried or curious about the future of the clans with all these inter-village, inter-clan relationships?

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    • Gemnist wrote: Eventually, things really don't add up to one another in numerous ways. Like it or not, the movie will have to clear things up since it's the only thing that can. Kishi's putting emphasis on romance anyways.

      Movie should show how Naruto actually fall for Hinata (and that's virtually all needed as we already know that she fall for him). It is to be seen if this will have some backbone or will be just because it is a good bait for fans and can be shown in trailers without revealing much. Still I would say this two (NaruHina, SasuSaku) are logical. Poorly developed during whole series, but still logical.

      @ Banan14kab Meh, the whole kekkei genkai inheritance are mystery and seems to work when convenient, so not really.

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    • Just a question

      1. Is Chouji's daughter name ChouChou? Anko call her ChouChou

      2. The manga only said Lee have a son but is TenTen the mother?

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    • NaruHina, SasuSaku and ShikaTema were pretty obvious, so I'm not really surprised with any of these three. I was already expecting them. Only InoSai and ChoujixKarui (whatever in the name for it) caught me off guard, especially the last one since that one came out of nowhere.

      I really like ShikaTema and NaruHina. And even if I din't ship it I admit InoSai was a good choise, I may even start to ship it now. ChoujixKarui, as I said before, was just wierd. I don't like nor dislike it, for me it was just a big lipped alligator moment due to the lack of interaction between the two characters, so my standing is neutral. The only ship that annoyed me a little was SasuSaku. However, this is not even due to the characters involved, but due to how rushed Sasuke's apology and redemption was writen. Kishimoto rushed some points of the manga so it could end in the 700th milestone, and that left some points without the proper detail they deserved, it even came out a bit forced like he was easily forgiven. This is my only nitpick regarding the final pairings, I would be okay with it if the ship had more time to develop, but I feel it came out wrong in the manga, lets hope it is played better in the anime.

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    • MichiyoChiba wrote: Just a question

      1. Is Chouji's daughter name ChouChou? Anko call her ChouChou

      2. The manga only said Lee have a son but is TenTen the mother?

      Looks like her name is ChouChou, yes.

      No indication about who Lee married. Could be TenTen, but could be someone just don't shown.

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    • Banan14kab wrote: Anyone else kinda worried or curious about the future of the clans with all these inter-village, inter-clan relationships?

      Surely superhumans but it will take several generations.

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    • FortressSwan wrote: Who is that girl that Kiba was with?

      Tamaki.

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    • Since when did Sasuke have a sex drive??

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    • Salad is a lot like Karin... Speaking of which, what happened to her?

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    • Gemnist, this is how I look at it. Forgive me if I got out of line. But look at this. As an SS fan, all we had to be on the lookout for was NS. But if you're a NS fan, you would have to look out for SS and NH. That's how you know that something's off. I don't really consider SK a pairing. It's more like a joke. I also need to ask you, why is Naruto's promise to Sakura bring back Sasuke so important to NS? It's more beneficial to SS because the promise was to bring Sasuke back to her. Plus we can't have the NH and SS development go to waste.

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    • NaruHina ftw. Every NaruHina fan knew this day would come. Now that this is settled you NaruSaku fans can move on and get over it. This wiki isn't a place to complain about canon pairings.

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    • The pairings was really forced the only logical one is ShikaTema because it has some development before. Well usually im not really concerned about the pairings, but after i read the last chapter something doesn't fell right. I know the NaruHina pair is likely to happen, but the SasuSaku pair is a "no". We know Sakura love sasuke right from the beginning, but Sasuke never interested in women and that's personality is cool i think, and then suddenly at the last two chapters he changed drastically and married Sakura. Its just like he married her out of pity. Also their daughter looked just like Karin and that stalking personality really resemble her. It is better if it was NaruSaku. We know from the beginning that Naruto love Sakura, and Sakura love Sasuke. But after all those chapters im sure little by little she take notice of Naruto especially since the Shippuden arc til the end. Just imagine if you love someone but he/she didn't care/notice you, and then there's a person that will always be there for you, what would you fell? Its reasonable to fall in love with him/her instead right? Well either way im okay with both NaruHina pair or NaruSaku pair, but im dislike the SasuSaku pair. And I think its okay if the manga ending with "friendship and dreams" where Naruto become hokage and showed the characters friendship instead of "Couple and Child/Daughter" ending.

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    • Dude, don't be so sour about it. That's nonsense. Sakura never showed romantic feelings to Naruto

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    • Meh. The pairings don't really surprise me. Disappointed, but not surprised. Unless Naruto decided that he was going to kill Sasuke (which he made very clear he WASN'T going to do), Sasuke was going to have to be paired with someone; and since Karin was only a minor character, that would leave Sakura. And, if Sakura was going to be paired with Sasuke, then that would leave Hinata as the only other viable person to pair with Naruto.

      Definitely saw Shikamaru/Temari coming; she was even in Shikamaru's dream when he was still trapped in the Mugen Tsukuyomi. The only canon pairing that makes any sense.

      Kakashi/Shizune was kinda obvious; besides Kurenai, who couldn't be paired with him for obvious reasons, she's the only other major female character around his age.

      A BBW Anko? *gags*. I know it has nothing to do with "Canon Pairings", but I had to get it out of my system.

      The other pairings came ENTIRELY out of left field. I mean, Kiba marries that Tamaki girl, who barely made a blip in the series, but was somehow important enough to be paired with one of the main characters? YYYYeahhhhh. Sai/Ino? Sure, why not. Can't be as bad and COMPLETELY retarded as the Chouji/Karin pairing. Seriously, did I overlook something? Did she give him a wink in one of the panels when she and her team arrived in Konoha after Pein's attack? Perhaps during the war? If she did, then I don't recall.

      I'd say this made me hate the series, but like I said before: I started hating the damn manga a long time ago; this was just the final nail in the coffin. Shame too, because I actually liked the series in the beginning. Oh well ...

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    • Eric Burrell wrote: Dude, don't be so sour about it. That's nonsense. Sakura never showed romantic feelings to Naruto

      "Showed" once, but of course she was trying to manipulate him then.

      Metalguy09 wrote: Kakashi/Shizune was kinda obvious; besides Kurenai, who couldn't be paired with him for obvious reasons, she's the only other major female character around his age.

      I must missed something as I don't recall any indication aboout Kakashi being married to Shizune.

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    • Bambusek wrote:

      Eric Burrell wrote: Dude, don't be so sour about it. That's nonsense. Sakura never showed romantic feelings to Naruto

      "Showed" once, but of course she was trying to manipulate him then.

      Metalguy09 wrote: Kakashi/Shizune was kinda obvious; besides Kurenai, who couldn't be paired with him for obvious reasons, she's the only other major female character around his age.

      I must missed something as I don't recall any indication aboout Kakashi being married to Shizune.

      Well, that's what I heard. But, yeah, they're probably not, though.

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    • So Tenten and Shino are like the only ones that are single now so they might as well get together.

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    • Shino will forever be married to his beetles xD

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    • To all the people wondering how these relations came to be, yall have to understand its been at LEAST 10 years since the war ended, alot can happen in 10 years. Sakura and Sasuke may have started off slow, but then hit it off after a few years, who knows. but it's not like these things just happened out of nowhere, so many things could've happened in the time skip. since the movie takes place 2 years after the end of the war, maybe most of this stuff will be explained

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    • Gold-king99 wrote: So Tenten and Shino are like the only ones that are single now so they might as well get together.

      I thought Tenten was paired to Lee?

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    • Maybe no one is seeing it this way since Temari and Shikamaru had already dated before, but maybe Kishimoto was using Choji and Karui's relationship, in addition to Shikamari, is to demonstrate better relationships with the other villages. People were saying that there was no hinting towards the relationship, but that's probably the point. Everyone acknowledges there are many years between the last chapter and the end of the war. A lot can happen. Though most other relationships seem predictable to some effect, there could be some enthralling story behind how Kiba and Tamaki ended up with each other, lol.

      With that said, with the characters who had no romantic development at all, i.e Kiba, Choji, TenTen, Shino, there isn't any reason to be upset that Kishi decided to surprise us. If it was going to be ended in a way you expected or the ending was going to be obvious, why read it all? A better reason to be upset would be Naruto ending up with Temari.

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    • The pairings were only bad because they weren't developed at all. They literally came out of nowhere.

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    • SeaTerror wrote: The pairings were only bad because they weren't developed at all. They literally came out of nowhere.

      Kind of like the users I'm seeing on this thread. Many of you I haven't seen before, but then a pairing thread opens up and you all pop up out of nowhere... Anyway, this comment will serve as a reminder to you all, NO discussions about fanon pairings.

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    • Im just frustrated over the rush. The undevelopment of SasuSaku just made me think of an S&M relationship. Hey, you never know

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    • WindStar7125 wrote:

      SeaTerror wrote: The pairings were only bad because they weren't developed at all. They literally came out of nowhere.

      Kind of like the users I'm seeing on this thread. Many of you I haven't seen before, but then a pairing thread opens up and you all pop up out of nowhere... Anyway, this comment will serve as a reminder to you all, NO discussions about fanon pairings.

      Oh my gosh Windy I realllllly shouldn't be laughing. Now all the new users seem like Diglett or something. Well, the 700th chapter, to me, could've been done better. Here's hoping the movie will sort of bridge together the huuuuge chasm.

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    • NaruHina was my OTP and it was just a matter of time before that happened. I highly doubted that Hinata was going to get friend-zoned after all of that.


      I also like SasuSaku and I remember even conceding that it probably wasn't going to happen. I loved that Sakura didn't outright forgive Sasuke when he first apologized and told him that he better be sorry.


      ShikaTema was so obvious I don't feel like I need to say anything about it. I loved the fact that Shikadai seemed to like Kankuro more than Gaara as his uncle.


      Saino was actually one of my favorite pairings but I never would have expected it to happen. I liked it from the moment that Sai called Ino "beautiful". I'll admit that the ending actually spoiled me a little. Seriously, four pairings that I supported became canon.


      Choji/Karui came out of nowhere but I'm not mad about it and I love their daughter. I raised an eyebrow at Kiba/Tamaki because like most people I forgot who Tamaki was and I'm not usually one to forget characters, no matter how minor they are. But at least they didn't have kids, because realistically, not everybody has kids.


      But the big question everbody has is this: How did all of these pairing happen? How did Naruto get over Sakura and fall for Hinata? How did Sasuke finally fall for Sakura and how could she forgive him for trying to kill her? How could Ino get over Sasuke? How on earth did Choji end up with Karui? How did Kiba even meet Tamaki? The answer to all of these is time. There was a clear time skip. It's hard to realize that while this was all crammed into consecutive manga for us, a lot happened in their world. A lot has changed. Naruto was even on a computer if that's any indication to how much things changed.

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    • I have to admit I feel a little bit bad for Rock Lee. He was an amazing character through the series and a very noble one, I wanted him to end up with sakura but it was never going to happen so I felt he was going to end up with Ten Ten. then we get this finale in which we do not even know who his wife is... God why.. i hope this is explained in the film

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    • I really want to edit the names of Sakura and Hinata as Sakura Uchiha and Hinata Uzamaki but I dont want my chops to be busted. Is it possible to make the change Windstar?

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    • No.

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    • plot twist, shino marries me okay lol it doenst sound funny at all, i was just being 'funny' here

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    • Choji was always gonna get a hot girl. His Clan's secret techniques guaranteed that.


      Also didn't Naruto and Sakura have their closure moment? When she confessed to him and he could clearly see she was really in love with Sasuke?

      Everyone else pleased me, especially KibaXTama Cats & Dogs anyone?

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    • Shipped NaruHina for 8 years. Knew it was going to happen. So happy it's canon.

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    • SeaTerror wrote: The pairings were only bad because they weren't developed at all. They literally came out of nowhere.

      If you think about it the same could be said about Asuma and Kurenai. We saw them once together when Itachi and Kisame came, and the next time anything about them pops out she is already pregnant and he dies few chapters later. It was to be expected that if any pairings will become canon then they would be without development and just happen. So really no surprise, it was purely fan service. And yet it still took years for couples to get together, it's not like they return home from war and start families right away.

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    • lastly, i just wanna say, i shiped naruhina and sasusaku all this while. so happy that it became cannon. well, haters gonna hate. :D *sass walk*

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    • So is Shino supposed to canonically be asexual?

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    • Stardustpetals wrote: So is Shino supposed to canonically be asexual?

      Why?

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    • Iloveinoxxx wrote:

      Stardustpetals wrote: So is Shino supposed to canonically be asexual?

      Why?

      Sorry, I meant aromantic. It doesn't seem like he'll be interested in anyone.

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    • He's probably just private. I mean even his father was stoic, seems like a clan habit.

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    • so that means kakashi and guy are still single ?? thats just sad....

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    • No proof they are. No proof they aren't. We can't assume anything for any of them, and we can't assume that that child is Lee's child. Lee wasn't Gai's child now was he?

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    • WindStar7125 wrote: No.

      Alright then.

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    • ItachiWasAHero wrote: No proof they are. No proof they aren't. We can't assume anything for any of them, and we can't assume that that child is Lee's child. Lee wasn't Gai's child now was he?

      you have a point, it could be possible that it is another one of the "one in a million"-shinobi who cant use nin/genjutsu, and now lee is gay and the new kid is lee ^_^

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    • No, I doubt Lee is gay. But yes, that could very well be a kid who was just like him and now like Gai once did.. he is dedicating the rest of his life to making this kid a master in taijutsu.

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    • It's funny that Naruto and Hinata seem to be the only couple with more than one kid. Well, I could understand that Sakura and Sasuke don't have more with his traveling and all, but the rest could do better than that :D

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    • I don't think having more kids is out of the question. There are plenty of brothers and sisters who has a huge age difference.

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    • Eric Burrell wrote: I don't think having more kids is out of the question. There are plenty of brothers and sisters who has a huge age difference.

      True, but they weren't shown or mentioned

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    • Bambusek wrote:

      Eric Burrell wrote: I don't think having more kids is out of the question. There are plenty of brothers and sisters who has a huge age difference.

      True, but they weren't shown or mentioned

      Ah, well, the girl is cute enough and has a likeable personality, to me, to be an only child. I think even the people who shipped NS/SN love the new kids. I mean seriously how could you not melt at all dat cuteness. But seriously, I think Salad x Burrito (their [unfortunate] adopted ship name) is like a reincarnation of Narusasu. Similar smirky personality from the uchiha, and fun, blond-haired little twit. Should I say I ship it. I think I do. I think we all do. Annnyways, I think we haven't noticed two amazing aspects.

      Itachi is now an uncle.

      And Hanabi is now an aunt.

      • dies from feels*
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    • Plane in the Desert wrote: Ah, well, the girl is cute enough and has a likeable personality, to me, to be an only child. I think even the people who shipped NS/SN love the new kids. I mean seriously how could you not melt at all dat cuteness. But seriously, I think Salad x Burrito (their [unfortunate] adopted ship name) is like a reincarnation of Narusasu. Similar smirky personality from the uchiha, and fun, blond-haired little twit. Should I say I ship it. I think I do. I think we all do. Annnyways, I think we haven't noticed two amazing aspects.

      Itachi is now an uncle.

      And Hanabi is now an aunt.

      • dies from feels*

      I ship SaladxBurrito just cuz sounds mexican, jk. I guess Sara have the Uchiha pride too, and she will kick Boruto's butt first than confessing. Itachi crying from heaven.

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    • @Plane Well, I like Boruto, but I can easily see him come up even if Hinata isn't the mother. On the other hand, Himawari might as well just be Hinata's daughter. So really, do Naruto and Hinata really need to be together to get these characters?

      As for Salad x Burrito, I could do that. Then everyone on Team 7 is related (except Kakashi). Though would that make Naruto, Sasuke, and Sakura siblings-in-law or something else?

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    • Gemnist wrote: @Plane Well, I like Boruto, but I can easily see him come up even if Hinata isn't the mother. On the other hand, Himawari might as well just be Hinata's daughter. So really, do Naruto and Hinata really need to be together to get these characters?

      As for Salad x Burrito, I could do that. Then everyone on Team 7 is related (except Kakashi). Though would that make Naruto, Sasuke, and Sakura siblings-in-law or something else?


      Thank you Gemnist for not being a sour twat over the shipping war.

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    • Gemnist wrote: On the other hand, Himawari might as well just be Hinata's daughter. So really, do Naruto and Hinata really need to be together to get these characters?

      Well, Himawari would lack whiskers without Naruto as father :)

      There is a one thing with pairing involving Hinata - if not Naruto then who? I agree that the pairings we get was rushed and without development, but if that's the case then poor Hinata should remain single her entire life as she never ever showed affection toward anyone else but Naruto in entire series.

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    • I'm not a fan of any of these ships but I can deal with them because they do to me all make sense in one way or another.

      The only reason why NaruSaku was more developed than the other ships was because Naruto was the main hero and Sakura the main heroine and they were both on the same team. Naruto is the main character and the relationships mostly development around his character. There are only a few that were developed around other characters like Itachi and Sasuke.

      The rest of the ships do make sense except ChoujiXKarui but then I think this ship is a good show since it shows peace was truly achieved.

      As for the children they are adorable. I'm surprised but Happy Sasuke has a daughter. I would have thought Kishi would have given him two sons but I love the twist there imo. Naruto has a son and Daughter not surprised really, Boruto seemed to have followed in his father's footsteps and Himawari seems to have inherit her mum's nature. Rock Lee's son (If it is) is amazing XD ShikaDai LOL like father like son ;) Inojin what is up with his face but none the less he looks the spitting image of Sai except the blonde hair and blue eyes which are a different shade from his mother's. He also seems to have his father's personality. Now my favourite of the children has to be Chouchou now that girl is the best. She doenst care about her weight and basically admits it like a pro XD Best child ever!

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    • @Bambusek To be frank, how on earth did the kids get the whiskers? Do they have Kurama's chakra in them or something? As for Hinata, I'm not really sure - Kiba maybe? (same hairstyle, same ego, same drive, called "kun", knows better...and anyone for Kiba other than what really happened to him :P)

      @Kirsty About NS - you took the words right out of my mouth, and that's why, even though I might not be allowed to say it, I am going to openly say that I think that that is what should've happened. The other ships, outside of SS and (to a certain degree) NH, do make sense, and the ChojixKarui thing really works. Oh - and I thought Inojin was a girl when I first saw him (that hair - that face!).

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    • Gemnist wrote: @Bambusek To be frank, how on earth did the kids get the whiskers? Do they have Kurama's chakra in them or something? As for Hinata, I'm not really sure - Kiba maybe? (same hairstyle, same ego, same drive, called "kun", knows better...and anyone for Kiba other than what really happened to him :P)

      It wasn't explained, but Naruto got them from the day of his birth, so I don't think they come from Kurama. I think they was there just to give Naruto something special in term of look and then Kishimoto used it to make sure that Himawari would not be mistaken as anyone but his daughter (Boruto of course is out of question). And of course that is a little fail on Kishimoto part - how much Boruto took after father and Himawari after mother, there seem to be a very little in them from other parent (in mangastream version Himawari also got eye color from him, when on mangareader the eye color of both children is Hinata's, may be a difference in scan quality though). Any other kid (with exception of Sarada maybe, though I think that the glasses are the main reason she looks so Karinlike) got something from both parents.

      Yup, took Inojin for a girl too while Asuma and Kurenai's daughter doesn't look like girl at the first panel.

      As I recall (though I may remember wrong or mess things with some fanfiction) Hinata fall for Naruto because of his "never give up" attitude and Kiba (along with everyone else of course as it was the most important thing that made Naruto special) lacks it.

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    • Gemnist

      I think SS and NH made the most sense. At first I tried to find logical reasons why SS and NH shouldn't be together because I hate both of those ships. I hate NS too but it didn't happen so...yeah lol.

      Not many people actually give valid points on why SS and NH shouldn't be together than the usual.

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    • I'm pretty sure that comes from Kurama; foxes have whiskers, you know.

      And Kiba had that, all right, with his "I'm gonna beat ya to a PULP, Naruto!" and his "I'm gonna be Hokage - is anyone listening to me?!" attitude (the latter was even his IT). It may be more subtle since, like Hinata, he isn't a main character, but it was there. Same thing for characters like Lee and even Obito.

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    • Maybe, but Kiba was more like all talk, less action. In his fight with Sakon and Ukon he actually gave up. Yes, he was protecting Akamaru also, but without Kankuro there he would be dead, there was nothing indicating that he will stand up one more time and come up with some last moment strategy to win. Naruto did this numerous times.

      Obito gave up on entire world after all, but Lee agree, though with him there were special circumstances.

      Anyway - Hinata had this one talk with Naruto before Chuunin exam finals and I think she explained then what she sees in him.

      Whiskers - at first I believe that yeah, they were suppose to work as physical indication that Kurama is inside Naruto, but later Kishimoto probably changed his mind as Kushina and Mito didn't had them

      Kirsty Mikaelson wrote: Not many people actually give valid points on why SS and NH shouldn't be together than the usual.

      Because there is actually hard to give valid point why this pairings are bad and at the same time it is hard to say why they are good. Maybe movie change this, but probably not as Kishi is just bad with romances (though I don't know if movie scenario is actually his). There will be moments, trailers are pretty clear about this, but how many and how good is yet to be seen.

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    • I actually liked these pairings. And I'm fairly sure Sasuke ends up coming back, what with the whole 'Sarada is Boruto's age' thing. Plus it seems to me that he's likely doing his whole remote protector deal

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    • I come across some comments of Sasuke and Naruto suddenly loving Sakura and Hinata.

      Chapter 700 takes place years after 699. Of course they spent time with them and got to know and love them. It's not like after Hinata confessed Naruto was like I love you now Hinata lets have babies or Sasuke suddenly started loving Sakura in a space of a day. No it took time and bulding a relationship that made Sasuke and Naruto know the feelings they have now. So no it wasnt rushed because a lot can happen in a space of a few years.

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    • @Kirsty It may not have been rushed in the Narutoverse's timescale, but it certainly was for us. While years passed in the former, not even a second passed for the latter. This won't change for the movie either; the damage has already been done, and it's not like there was much development for both sides of the love for either NH or SS to begin with. And wait - if you don't like SS, NH, or NS, then what do you like? SN???

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    • Why is everyone acting like sasukexsakura and narutoxhinata were forced? It doesn't need development when the last chapter is like at least 10 years after the end of naruto. It was never stated that sasuke or naruto didn't like their current respective wives. They actually probably found Sakura or Hinata attractive but didn't have a big crush on them like the girls had for them. Naruto had too much to worry about to answer Hinata at the moment. Sasuke was consumed by so much hatred that his focus was nowhere near being in a relationship. After naruto knocked some since into sasuke, sasuke goes on his little journey. The next logical thing would be for him to find a gf and there was sakura who still loved him. And we already gonna find out in the movie what narutos feelings were for hinata the whole time

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    • Alright, earlier I tried posting something but forgot to sign in so it didn't stick so I'm going to skip the long rant I had in place and get to my main points.

      1. The pairings for the fans were rushed, and some at best are shaky. 2. The story should have ended with either no pairings or be left up in the air so that all fanbases could at least retain some form of hope. Doesn't matter if it would have caused some anger or arguements, it'd be a lot less then what's popped up. 3. Don't act smug or snarky because others are displeased with the pairings.

      There is more I could say but won't because either it will take to long and I'll ramble, or I can't think of them off the top of my head. However no matter how the ending happened fans are allowed to reject it, I myself embrace some of it and reject the rest. What this all should boil down to is that no matter the ships we root for, who we think is the best, we are all fans of this series. Let's forget ships and focus on the biggest thing: Naruto is finally done. This is the end of an era people, and having fans warring about the pairings just spoils it, takes away the magic. Let's appreciate the journey that we all took by reading and staying with this epic saga be it from the very start anywhere in the middle or even near the end to this final chapter. Its been a heck of a ride and I loved it dearly, just as I think you all loved it to. For those who are still not okay with the pairings then keep with your ships, write fanfiction, draw fanart, and let yourselves be heard, let it be known what you support but always remember that the other people here are just like you, they are the fans who grew with this story. Plus you never know, maybe certain fan theories maybe right, maybe he'll pull a JK Rowling, who knows. Just love the journey, even if the destination isn't what you wanted, and never give up, believe it.

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    • Animogx63 wrote: Alright, earlier I tried posting something but forgot to sign in so it didn't stick so I'm going to skip the long rant I had in place and get to my main points.

      1. The pairings for the fans were rushed, and some at best are shaky. 2. The story should have ended with either no pairings or be left up in the air so that all fanbases could at least retain some form of hope. Doesn't matter if it would have caused some anger or arguements, it'd be a lot less then what's popped up. 3. Don't act smug or snarky because others are displeased with the pairings.

      There is more I could say but won't because either it will take to long and I'll ramble, or I can't think of them off the top of my head. However no matter how the ending happened fans are allowed to reject it, I myself embrace some of it and reject the rest. What this all should boil down to is that no matter the ships we root for, who we think is the best, we are all fans of this series. Let's forget ships and focus on the biggest thing: Naruto is finally done. This is the end of an era people, and having fans warring about the pairings just spoils it, takes away the magic. Let's appreciate the journey that we all took by reading and staying with this epic saga be it from the very start anywhere in the middle or even near the end to this final chapter. Its been a heck of a ride and I loved it dearly, just as I think you all loved it to. For those who are still not okay with the pairings then keep with your ships, write fanfiction, draw fanart, and let yourselves be heard, let it be known what you support but always remember that the other people here are just like you, they are the fans who grew with this story. Plus you never know, maybe certain fan theories maybe right, maybe he'll pull a JK Rowling, who knows. Just love the journey, even if the destination isn't what you wanted, and never give up, believe it.

      Most of the pairings were rushed, as in sudden, however, anyone who has any semblance of objectivity and analytical capacity when it comes to literature knows that NH and SS were not rushed and were rather obvious regardless of how they were written. The only people who believe otherwise are those who don't realize that writers don't generally act like they're suddenly schizophrenic. Meaning; given that Naruto initiated what is commonly held to be a romantic gesture in both the U.S and Japan, to Hinata, and he has shown no hint of still crushing on Sakura; any experienced writer would realize what the mindset and the intentions of the Author were especially since there was literally no love triangle whatsoever in the story. The relationships for the main characters were the only ones given focus and particularly during the war arc, it became REALLY obvious how it was going to end. Had it been a romance manga, or one where romance was more central, then things would have ended differently, on some level. But seriously; Hinata's very existence, especially Kishi's consistency with her feelings pretty much dictated, especially on a literary level, that she was going to end up with Naruto. Same with Sakura to Sasuke. The only way Sakura wouldn't have ended up with Sasuke is if he died. NS had no clear romantic development whatsoever in the Manga. Anime? Yes; especially filler.

      All of this isn't really about shipping either. This is simply about literary criticism and analysis.

      If Character's focus is consistent, and if nothing directly contradicts or impedes it, then the Author's intentions with that character become pretty clear. There are certain variables of course, one of which is the importance of the character to the story, and the importance of the focus. In this particular case, romance was not a central theme of the story, and given that Naruto had absolutely nothing stopping him from shifting his feelings, and given how Kishi kept Hinata's feelings consistent for 15 years, it is therefore obvious. The other pairings were sudden, especially given again, the fact that romance was not particularly important to the story to the point where aside from major female characters; most character's feelings are typically avoided.

      Then there's cultural themes. Usually the pairing involving the main character that is more positive toward's the main character's identity is more likely to be focused on, instead of the one that is based on shallow feelings, and this is primarily because in the U.S and Japan relationships in fiction are usually romanticized; and a crush on physical beauty that is never really even emphasized, or a motive that is later effectively sabotaged through goal achievement don't usually make for a good pairing versus the alternative of being based on an important attribute of one of the major characters (Naruto's main reason for his crush on Sakura was her looks, and wanting to be acknowledged by her, given his lack of popularity, which was resolved when he defeated Pain, while Naruto and Hinata had it based on his nindo, and his never giving up attitude, which is one of Naruto's most important, if not his most important trait).

      So there's my criticism towards you and others here on the lack of literary analysis that went into this. I can't really comment on the other pairings because they pretty much were there for the happy ending. Also, generally writers don't write their story to satisfy the whims of the fanbase; especially since, if they did that intentionally it would do more harm than good. The best thing to do as a writer is to write what you were always going to write, and of course listen to the criticism and advise of your advisors; not the desires of your audience. The audience aren't storywriters for the most part.

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    • @Nathael Thank you. Took the words out of my mouth. The dynamics of the characters when it came to romance, as well as Kishi's continued emphasis on Hinata and Sakura's feelings for Naruto and Sasuke respectively over the years made it obvious who was going to end up with who. And as you said, since this is not a romance focused manga, there was no time for major complexity of feelings between characters. Had this been a romance focused manga, I'm sure things might have ended differently.

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    • After all that drama Sakura did from the start of the series all the way until the final chapters, I'm not surprised that Sasuke never goes home.

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    • One thing I have to bring up which is quite annoying me is the fact that some fans are calling Sasuke and Naruto abusive, neglectful or absent fathers and husbands which wasn't indicated at all that was the case.

      It was hinted especially with Boruto that they lack their fathers attention at times due to making sure the world is safe or at peace. But that doesn't mean they never get it or that they are unloved by their fathers. If Sakura was working long hours or on a mission to save someone would you call her an absent parent? If Hinata had family duties and had to spend her time with the Hyuga clan would you call her neglectful.

      1. Naruto being abusive-No he was not being abusive. I think some people forget that when Naruto acted like this he was scolded and punished by Iruka and the third. Scolding your child doesn't equal abuse or neglect it means you actually care about them to take your time to scold them to take your time to teach them wrong from right, to teach them that their actions have consequences. If you see one of the panels with Naruto after Bourto asks if he can help Naruto looks sad at having to let his son down. But that is the way things are, parents have jobs and they need to do their jobs right. In real life it's because it brings in the money to raise the child well.

      2. Absent father-This mainly refers to Sasuke with the fans of some but again it is not indicated that is the case. It was not said that Sasuke was still travelling all we see is Sasuke walking through some woods we have no clue where he is. For all we know he could be close to Konoha and just checking the outskirts of Konoha or just ventures out once in a while to make sure the world stays at peace like Naruto is but making sure from outside the village as well as in. Like a mission if you will that he goes on once in a while. So we don't really know if Sasuke never comes home or that he is still travelling. But as i said we don;t really see much of Sasuke in the last chapter only two panels and that doesn't really tell us anything about what he is doing. Is he settled or his relationship with his wife and daughter.

      I think some tend to forget as well Bourto and Sarada are around 5-7 years old, They are children and children tend to be selfish. Children want their parents constant attention and feel jealous or sad when they don't get it. Children at that age don't really understand why their parents do what they do all they understand is that their father can't spend as much time with them as they would like so they act out to gain that attention.

      Sorry this turned into more about the children than the pairings lol.

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    • To be honest, I think it's really weird how SasuSaku became canon in the last chapter, because Sasuke said he didn't feel anything for Sakura.

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    • MuneMarri wrote: To be honest, I think it's really weird how SasuSaku became canon in the last chapter, because Sasuke said he didn't feel anything for Sakura.

      That my friend, is called plot induced stupidity

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    • MuneMarri wrote: To be honest, I think it's really weird how SasuSaku became canon in the last chapter, because Sasuke said he didn't feel anything for Sakura.

      Well remember that he said he wanted to cut off all bonds and he needed to be alone in order to be his version of Hokage.

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    • DVB wrote: The pairiing with Chouji was surprising to say the least. Either it was me or was Rock Lee not in the final chapter?

      Beyond that, some were surprising, others weren't. We didn't see the potential others of some of the others, if they did have someone at all.

      Lee was in the final chapter, he was training another kid that looked just like him.

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    • WindStar7125 wrote:

      SeaTerror wrote: The pairings were only bad because they weren't developed at all. They literally came out of nowhere.

      Kind of like the users I'm seeing on this thread. Many of you I haven't seen before, but then a pairing thread opens up and you all pop up out of nowhere... Anyway, this comment will serve as a reminder to you all, NO discussions about fanon pairings.

      LOL, I've been around for a long time, I usually only edit wiki pages for every single wiki there is, I rarely show my face in forums.

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    • Would this ( http://imgur.com/gallery/sANx2/ ) make you Sasuke/Sakura shippers happier?

      I don't exactly like Sasuke/Sakura, but I really welcome the change, since it makes for a less annoying Sakura.

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    • Bambusek wrote:

      Blaezej wrote: Anyways, Naruto & Hinata makes sense, and I actually love this pairing... shipped them since the beginning.

      Shikamaru and Temari are also great together, since their fight in the Chuunin Exam.

      Hinata deserved to get the boy she wanted. Though it is interesting what is her standing in clan now. Is she still in or she left by marriage?

      Shikamaru and Temari was obvious, especially after chapter with Shikamaru in Infinite Tsukuyomi where she was beside him (funny how he said then that he will not marry, and yet married in reality anyway :D)

      Hinata is still in her clan. Due the fact that Naruto, saved the village from Pein/Nagato,then helped end the War, and is now Hokage. I'm pretty sure her clan has made an exception for Naruto.

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    • Bambusek wrote: It's funny that Naruto and Hinata seem to be the only couple with more than one kid. Well, I could understand that Sakura and Sasuke don't have more with his traveling and all, but the rest could do better than that :D

      Well Ino, Shikamaru, and Choji are the only children in their families. Due to the 3 formation of Ino-Shika-Cho. Its kinda of a family/clan tradition for them.

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    • Gir Loves Waffles wrote:

      Bambusek wrote:

      Blaezej wrote: Anyways, Naruto & Hinata makes sense, and I actually love this pairing... shipped them since the beginning.

      Shikamaru and Temari are also great together, since their fight in the Chuunin Exam.

      Hinata deserved to get the boy she wanted. Though it is interesting what is her standing in clan now. Is she still in or she left by marriage?

      Shikamaru and Temari was obvious, especially after chapter with Shikamaru in Infinite Tsukuyomi where she was beside him (funny how he said then that he will not marry, and yet married in reality anyway :D)

      Hinata is still in her clan. Due the fact that Naruto, saved the village from Pein/Nagato,then helped end the War, and is now Hokage. I'm pretty sure her clan has made an exception for Naruto.

      I thought everyone in a clan is closely related. Because I found it weird and incestish if you married one in your clan. Is this a misconception?

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    • Kakamui wrote: I thought everyone in a clan is closely related. Because I found it weird and incestish if you married one in your clan. Is this a misconception?

      Its not really a misconception at all. Each clan consist of people who have the same ability, some of them may be related by blood, some may not. Also most of them are related, but they tend to marry their second cousins and downward. They may have had children with outsiders that the Clan leaders approved of and so on, adding fresh genes into the clan. I thought the same thing too. I just thought about it like this, my cousins on my dad side are no where related to my cousin on my mom side, so either cousin from each side could marry each other. =P

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    • Kakamui wrote: I thought everyone in a clan is closely related. Because I found it weird and incestish if you married one in your clan. Is this a misconception?

      It depends, a very large clans can actually have a safe and perfectly legal internal marriages. Even in our very real world there can be marriages inside one family, the best example is British Royal family - Philip and Elisabeth are related.

      MuneMarri wrote: To be honest, I think it's really weird how SasuSaku became canon in the last chapter, because Sasuke said he didn't feel anything for Sakura.

      He may, but he also (at least before becoming all dark and "I will be enemy of the whole world") wanted to rebuilt his clan. And even after all this sharingan evolution he still needs woman to do that :)

      Anyway - Kishimoto already shown us twice (at least) how little he cares about relations between boys and girls. Minato and Kushina got together after damsel in distress cliche cause it was unimportant how they become couple, only that they did. And second Asuma with Kurenai, where to be honest Sarutobi could marry anyone, even ramen girl, and it wouldn't change a thing as the only plot important was the fact that he had a child (it was essential for Shikamaru development). When Kishimoto was done with Shika then mother and child went out of picture until chapter 700.

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    • Guy's, chill. We don't what happened in those 15 years (I think it was 15 years from 699 to 700 chapters; correct me if Im wrong). So yeah. We don't know what happened in the time skip so you can't say it was out of nowhere actually. ;)

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    • To everybody here who keeps wondering or complaining why Naruto suddenly loves Hinata or why Sasuke suddenly loves Sakura etc. I hope this can answer your question. From what I heard, the Last Movie will take place in-between Chapter 699 & 700. The Last Movie is about love story especially about NaruHina. Anyway, besides NaruHina, who knows there are other couples too but they will not appear as much as NaruHina.

      So after we watch the movie, maybe we will know how the canon couples from the last chapter in love with each other and end up married.

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    • MichiyoChiba wrote: To everybody here who keeps wondering or complaining why Naruto suddenly loves Hinata or why Sasuke suddenly loves Sakura etc. I hope this can answer your question. From what I heard, the Last Movie will take place in-between Chapter 699 & 700. The Last Movie is about love story especially about NaruHina. Anyway, besides NaruHina, who knows there are other couples too but they will not appear as much as NaruHina?

      So after we watch the movie, maybe we will know how the canon couples from the last chapter in love with each other and end up married.

      So you're trying to tell me that the upcoming movie is just one big love fest? Damn.

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    • Yess....Kishi himself states (many times) that The Last is technically a love story!

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    • Hisana456 wrote: Yess....Kishi himself states (many times) that The Last is technically a love story!

      Huh. Interesting. I'm also curious about other aspects of the movie, but that is for a different discussion. Anyway, most of the pairings made sense (wtf, Choji and Karui). I'm actually pleased with how everything turned out. Also, I love how ridiculous Ino and Sai's child looks.

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    • Hisana456 wrote: Yess....Kishi himself states (many times) that The Last is technically a love story!

      And there my hopes are going up. And I was doing such good job with keeping them low so I will not be disappointed the way I was after Road to Ninja.

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    • Hisana456 wrote: Yess....Kishi himself states (many times) that The Last is technically a love story!

      Technically.

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    • Hisana456 wrote: Yess....Kishi himself states (many times) that The Last is technically a love story!

      Where?

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    • SeaTerror wrote:

      Hisana456 wrote: Yess....Kishi himself states (many times) that The Last is technically a love story!

      Where?

      He sent a message to his fans about the movie publically, the movie's theme has been revealed, oh and the soundtrack too: the last song title is Naruto and Hinata.

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    • Did anyone noticed that none from seemingly married couple wear a wedding ring? Kurenai was having one when Shikamaru talked to her in chapter 342.

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    • Hisana456 wrote:

      SeaTerror wrote:

      Hisana456 wrote: Yess....Kishi himself states (many times) that The Last is technically a love story!

      Where?

      He sent a message to his fans about the movie publically, the movie's theme has been revealed, oh and the soundtrack too: the last song title is Naruto and Hinata.

      To build on this, there is another called "my sunshine" or "my only sunshine", and now I'm thinking of old 60's music.

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    • Hisana456 wrote:

      SeaTerror wrote:

      Hisana456 wrote: Yess....Kishi himself states (many times) that The Last is technically a love story!

      Where?

      He sent a message to his fans about the movie publically, the movie's theme has been revealed, oh and the soundtrack too: the last song title is Naruto and Hinata.

      I really doubt he ever mentioned any pairings publicly. Also the last song on title is After Story. The Naruto and Hinata song is before that.

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    • He didn't mentioned the pairings, he just said that movie will have Love parts.

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    • Blaezej wrote: Would this ( http://imgur.com/gallery/sANx2/ ) make you Sasuke/Sakura shippers happier?

      I don't exactly like Sasuke/Sakura, but I really welcome the change, since it makes for a less annoying Sakura.

      That's so true...!! And after reading this huge thread, I'm a lot happier with the way things ended in this last chapter. I really don't think it was "rushed" or "forced," there aren't many other combinations that would make sense. And, after all, a huge amount of time did pass between 699 and 700 (10 years I think?). The Last movie should fill in the blanks for the people that feel this ending was forced. Can't wait for it! :)

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    • Well.....Kishi has been working on The Last himself (and Pierrot won't be idiots this time).....and tell me exactly which couple is being promoted? It's obvious he's giving an indirect message.

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    • Xxkiiroxx wrote:

      Blaezej wrote: Would this ( http://imgur.com/gallery/sANx2/ ) make you Sasuke/Sakura shippers happier?

      I don't exactly like Sasuke/Sakura, but I really welcome the change, since it makes for a less annoying Sakura.

      That's so true...!! And after reading this huge thread, I'm a lot happier with the way things ended in this last chapter. I really don't think it was "rushed" or "forced," there aren't many other combinations that would make sense. And, after all, a huge amount of time did pass between 699 and 700 (10 years I think?). The Last movie should fill in the blanks for the people that feel this ending was forced. Can't wait for it! :)

      I'm just going to post a comment of mine from a different site.

      It was blatant crap writing. Instead of properly developing the relationships in the manga he instead makes a movie. That's crap writing since he went the easy way out. A movie wouldn't even be able to properly develop a love story like that so it's going to suck anyway. Most likely it will be something like this: "I always liked you Naruto" "I like you too now just because."

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    • This is SHONEN! The genre section does not include Romance, so why should love pairs be 'developed', Kishi's given an entire movie on this romantic stuff cuz his manga work is above all not supposed to be on Love!

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    • Hisana456 wrote: This is SHONEN! The genre section does not include Romance, so why should love pairs be 'developed', Kishi's given an entire movie on this romantic stuff cuz his manga work is above all not supposed to be on Love!

      Did you even bother reading my comment? Especially the last two sentences. A movie will not be able to properly develop a love story for something that should have just been in the manga.

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    • The movie, I'm sure, is not going to be 23 min.. Plus, it will only show Naruto and Hinata in a more tense/romantic light, then poof: epilogue showing they married and have cute children.

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    • Xxkiiroxx wrote:

      Blaezej wrote: Would this ( http://imgur.com/gallery/sANx2/ ) make you Sasuke/Sakura shippers happier?

      I don't exactly like Sasuke/Sakura, but I really welcome the change, since it makes for a less annoying Sakura.

      what the °_°

      i have nothing to do with ships and i dont care but that was awesome ^_^ the drawing was great and i really liked the part with sasuke and salad, what made me wonder was sasuke kissing sakura (i liked it :D ) and him, having two sharinngans ^_^ still liked it more than the canon epilogue :D

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    • Hisana456 wrote: The movie, I'm sure, is not going to be 23 min.. Plus, it will only show Naruto and Hinata in a more tense/romantic light, then poof: epilogue showing they married and have cute children.

      I never said 23 minutes. Most of the movies were 1.5-2 hours long. That is not long enough to properly develop a story of something that should have been in the manga in the first place. Plus if that's true then the movie really will be crap and goes with exactly what I said earlier. I'll repeat it: Most likely it will be something like this: "I always liked you Naruto" "I like you too now just because."

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    • ....sorry, but....

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    • Hisana456 wrote: ....sorry, but....

      Nice response and counter to my comment. I completely agree with you.

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    • SeaTerror wrote: Nice response and counter to my comment. I completely agree with you.

      Stop the childish sarcasm.

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    • Aka Shi Crow wrote:

      SeaTerror wrote: Nice response and counter to my comment. I completely agree with you.

      Stop the childish sarcasm.

      There's no such thing as childish sarcasm.

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    • SeaTerror wrote: I never said 23 minutes. Most of the movies were 1.5-2 hours long. That is not long enough to properly develop a story of something that should have been in the manga in the first place.

      Have u ever seen the disney movie UP? they developed properly the romantic story of the Main character in less than 11 mins, just using that to point it is possible.

      SeaTerror wrote: There's no such thing as childish sarcasm.

      Stop passive-agressive commenting, if you can't handle your emotions try to stay away from threads to not harm anybody.

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    • I'm with SeaTerror on this one. I guess there was (barely) enough SS development in those last two chapters to make it work. Problem is, who the hell is able to fall in love with a girl just because the guy who truly loves her kicks your butt? Kishi romance at its worst, and all the more rushed. NH was even worse, though. The movie really is a way for Kishi to actually develop the relationship. But it's not enough; we needed more in the manga itself. The scarf in the movie proves it. The scarf may be the very thread (literally) that gets NH together, but it's a movie-only thing. If Hinata's been trying to give it to him since they were in the Academy, then there was ample opportunity to reference it in the series. Either that or just ditch it all together. Including it now is rushed and random. Up had the benefit of allowing a blooming, very close bond at the very beginning, then just watching the time flow by and then bursting into tears at the end of it all (if you didn't what's wrong with you?). There was no such thing for NH; for the longest time it was just Hinata standing in a corner as Sasuke rolled him around. Though it would be best for you to calm your emotions, Sea. As for that SS thing - it's funny, but please don't post images solely for a post, especially unofficial photos.

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    • (shrugs), I would like to see how it plays out in the movie. If it's just another movie like Twilight, then forget it. But if it's actually sweet, and actually portrays a somewhat realistic view, then I'll accept it. Same goes for SS. The movie is probably a pathway for their development, and I hope it's not just "I NOW LOVE YOU!" but actually kind of sweet, like Naruto falls for Hinata in some extremely-cheesy-endearing way. Siiiighhh.

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    • Aka Shi Crow wrote:

      SeaTerror wrote: I never said 23 minutes. Most of the movies were 1.5-2 hours long. That is not long enough to properly develop a story of something that should have been in the manga in the first place.

      Have u ever seen the disney movie UP? they developed properly the romantic story of the Main character in less than 11 mins, just using that to point it is possible.

      SeaTerror wrote: There's no such thing as childish sarcasm.

      Stop passive-agressive commenting, if you can't handle your emotions try to stay away from threads to not harm anybody.

      Disney has better writers. Kishimoto himself even said he's bad at romance writing. Also I'm perfectly calm. Just because I call a writer out on bad writing means I can't handle my emotions? That logic is terrible.

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    • Gemnist wrote: I'm with SeaTerror on this one. I guess there was (barely) enough SS development in those last two chapters to make it work. Problem is, who the hell is able to fall in love with a girl just because the guy who truly loves her kicks your butt?

      You say Naruto truly loved Sakura but I don't recall him actually saying even once why he fell for her. For the most part of pre shippuuden it was more like comedy gag when he was trying to ask her out and got beaten (and still this was mostly in the anime). He felt something for her, but I would never call this true love. He admitted during his last talk with Minato that he doesn't know much about girls and he was sixteen then, how the hell could he knew anything about females four years earlier? It was more like "she likes Sasuke and he is my rival so I would chase her as part of our rivalry"

      For me Sakura should lost all her chances with Naruto during Kage summit arc when she was trying to use his feelings to manipulate him. Sorry, it is a big no.

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    • SeaTerror wrote: Also I'm perfectly calm. Just because I call a writer out on bad writing means I can't handle my emotions? That logic is terrible.

      i meant ur comments responding to @Hisana.

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    • @Bambusek Well, there was the comedy, but Naruto really did love her though for the whole series (minus the epilogue). While I don't recall any such moment for Naruto's love reasons either (I think it was initially the fact she was cute, but later because he understood her as a kind person and never had such a strong bond with a female - let alone person - before), at least it was better than Sakura's given reasons for Sasuke ("those eyes... that posture... those clothes... the way he sits at the back of the class and does nothing... OH GOD I WANT HIM TO JUST SLOBBER ALL OVER MY FOREHEAD!!!!!" - dude, what the @&4*?). I also don't think Naruto just gave up on her at the summit ("Hey Dad, she's my girlfriend!" in Ch. 631); we'll never know, I guess. Come to think of it, why am I talking about a fanon pairing? We should just stop while we're at it.

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    • Sorry for double posting, but:

      @Plane Well, Kishi's a (far) better writer than Stephenie Meyer, so it shouldn't be all THAT bad. It just still feels rushed; it would be better as an independent product (a non-canon Naruto film or even an anime film by Kishi that has no relation to the Naruto franchise) or had their been more development. If there IS some realistic, "endearing" way that Naruto returns the feelings, I'll have SOME satisfaction, but not enough to fill Obito's hole. I guess I'll eventually accept it, but only because of something I plan to announce in another thread.

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    • Aka Shi Crow wrote:

      SeaTerror wrote: Also I'm perfectly calm. Just because I call a writer out on bad writing means I can't handle my emotions? That logic is terrible.

      i meant ur comments responding to @Hisana.

      Guys, just agree to disagree... you're going way off-topic with this bickering.

      Also, Aka Shi Crow, while I understand that you're friends with Hisana, you don't exactly need to talk back to anyone who replies to her, she's obviously capable of defending herself, if need be. And if she's not, she's more than welcome to talk to a Forum Mod about this. EDIT: Of course that if she feel offended, rather than talk back to the offender, she's supposed to bring the issue to a Mod or Admin... that's pretty obvious. :P

      Nothing personal, it's just that I've seen you do that repeatedly, and it's something really irrelevant to the matter at hand.

      Anyways, I've said my due regarding this topic, I'm sorry for being off-topic (as well)... let's continue with the Canon Pairings debate, please.

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    • Took the words right out of my mouth, Blaezej. Please get back on topic. Or I will close the discussion and that will be the end of pairing discussions here.

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    • Well it looks like this thread has no hope. You've got one day to prove to me you can keep on the topic of canon pairings, otherwise I'm closing this and forever forbidding pairing topics on this wiki until the day I die. :3

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    • Mikestar wrote: Does anyone else find ChojiXKarui a bit odd? I mean how did that happen?

      Well, their relationship was kinda like a big pun. Karui's name means "light". And uh... you know about Chouji.

      TheUltimate3 wrote:

      Soul reaper wrote: It's the cat girl. Sasuke went and got supplies from her and her grandmother before fighting Itachi.

      Wow that was completely outta nowhere.


      Again, I'm guessing Kishi liked comedy so much and had put opposites together like Chouji and Karui. Then there's our dog lover and cat lover.

      Easilyaddictedgirl22 (talk)


      When the leaked pictures were out (I consider this as my actual reaction to chapter 699 and 700), I was shocked and kept saying that it wasn't real-it must be fake. I was like " WHAAAAAT?! THEY HAVE KIDS ALREADY?!". But then the actual chapters came out and then I was like "WHAAAAAAT???!!!" on all pairings. The one that I found confusing the most was Kiba's and Chouji's. But all in all, the rest didn't surprise me that much. I just can't believe that the pairings are canon already. I thought it was going to end like Naruto, being the Hokage and the rest of them are portrayed as all doing missions- not training(Lee), selling (Tenten), staying at home (Sakura and Temari), basically what I'm saying is that I didn't expect them to be chillin' in roles as dads and moms.

      But overall, I'm happy for the characters and their partners. And their children. :)

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    • @Easilyaddictedgirl22, no double posting, please. Just edit your most recent comment rather than add another directly under it, please.

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      How is that relevant to a discussion about CANON pairings? Jesus Christ.
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    • When the leaked pictures were out (I consider this as my actual reaction to chapter 699 and 700), I was shocked and kept saying that it wasn't real-it must be fake. I was like " WHAAAAAT?! THEY HAVE KIDS ALREADY?!". But then the actual chapters came out and then I was like "WHAAAAAAT???!!!" on all pairings. The one that I found confusing the most was Kiba's and Chouji's. But all in all, the rest didn't surprise me that much. I just can't believe that the pairings are canon already. I thought it was going to end like Naruto, being the Hokage and the rest of them are portrayed as all doing missions- not training(Lee), selling (Tenten), staying at home (Sakura and Temari), basically what I'm saying is that I didn't expect them to be chillin' in roles as dads and moms.

      But overall, I'm happy for the characters and their partners. And their children. :)

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    • Well, I'm back after a nap and this is what happens....@Blaezej, no I didn't get offended ;) Anyways, Naruto and Sakura did have individual development to understand each other but romance was never a part of it!

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    • No but I am a bit angered at all the idiotic petitions. Shouldn't we discuss those at all in another thread, Windy? (I hope none of you guys have signed that ridiculous petition.)

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    • Hisana456 wrote: Well, I'm back after a nap and this is what happens....@Blaezej, no I didn't get offended ;) Anyways, Naruto and Sakura did have individual development to understand each other but romance was never a part of it!

      Oh I kinda thought Sakura was pretty flirtatious in the first episode of Shippuden before Naruto ruined it lol and I'm pretty sure they go on dates but they don't seem romantic at all. When Sakura found out about Hinatas feelings she seemed pretty glum and Im not sure but I think she had a tear in her eye. I mean she spends most of her time with Naruto and Does she really know anything about Sasuke did she even learn about the truth of Itachi? She never seemed to love him just infatuation. Her falling into Sasuke's lap kills all development she has had, she needed to move on to someone who supported her. Its too bad because she was one of the most skilled with chakra control, if she was a Jinchuriki or had the Rinnegan she would destroy everyone with her added Strength of a hundred seal. She is one of the only OP characters who achieved their own strength without the power of their heritage or borrowing something elses power.

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    • @Minasas FINALLY SOMEONE WHO AGREES WITH ME!!!!!

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    • Gemnist wrote: @Minasas FINALLY SOMEONE WHO AGREES WITH ME!!!!!

      Oh I just read your earlier comments I guess that makes mine unnecessary (Side note because mu picture features Boruto that does not mean I support NaruHina but with if Naruto's and Sasuke's children end up together in a way every ship wins hetero or homo!!! :D) KISHI IS A GENIUS.... -_-

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    • @Minasas Pierrot and Kishi do quite different representation of Naruto and Sakura apparently!

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    • But Sakura isn't OP. She would be murked by Pretty much 50% of all Jonin's and I'm pretty sure Lee and Neji would own her too. She doesn't stand a snowballs chance in hell against someone like Tsunade and the only reason she was able to hit Kaguya was because Kaguya never expected her to get involved and was not paying attention to her.

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    • ItachiWasAHero wrote: But Sakura isn't OP. She would be murked by Pretty much 50% of all Jonin's and I'm pretty sure Lee and Neji would own her too. She doesn't stand a snowballs chance in hell against someone like Tsunade and the only reason she was able to hit Kaguya was because Kaguya never expected her to get involved and was not paying attention to her.

      I thought it was made clear that Sakura was near Tsunades level she reached the pinnacle of Tsunades techniques which was the Strength of a Hundred Seal. Shizune was even all like DAMN She's better than me + Sakura is only 17 and doesn't have the advantage of being Senju and and Uzumaki... Tsunade is underpowered lol. That Kaguya shit just happened to include Sakura even though that wasn't her place well either that or the Byakugan is utter trash (sorry of topic)

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    • ItachiWasAHero wrote: But Sakura isn't OP. She would be murked by Pretty much 50% of all Jonin's and I'm pretty sure Lee and Neji would own her too. She doesn't stand a snowballs chance in hell against someone like Tsunade and the only reason she was able to hit Kaguya was because Kaguya never expected her to get involved and was not paying attention to her.

      I don't ship Naruto and Sakura, but the latter is the strongest female of her generation: like Tsunade is of hers, same goes to Mito! Hinata and Ino can't come near her level. That's why Kishi give this strong kunoichi a strong partner: yes, Sasuke!

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    • Just no. Shizune never said Sakura was better. Mei would beat Sakura, Tsunade would beat Sakura, Kushina would beat Sakura, Konan would beat Sakura, Kurenai would beat Sakura. Shit Hinata's Byakugan and Gentle Fist style are Sakura's true weaknesses, if you remember what those abilities do and give Hinata then you would know why. Sakura mastered a technique Shizune couldn't, that is all. Also Kaguya forgot Sakura even existed, hence Sakura telling her not to forget her, she is a lady too. That's almost equivalent to Yajirobe sneak attacking Vegeta.

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    • Hinata x Naruto - Not unexpected, but also crap how we never see how NaruSaku ended up. Hinata is a peach and he nabbed the best girl in the group. As for the kids...no byakugan, really!? Not even one of them!? I was so looking forward to Bolt making clones in a circle around him with rasengans all around running in a circle screaming Rasenkaiten! And Himawari making 63 clones to use Divine 64 children single palm strike each attack!

      Sasuke x Sakura - The birth of a new Uchiha ichizoku begins with their daughter...Salad. I'm sorry, did I read that right? You fucking named your kid after a usually cold dish of raw fruits and vegetables occasionally covered in dressing? Kirakira names exist EVEN in the world of Naruto. At least they didn't name her "Pikachu" = Light + Space. Also, the sole heir to the sharingan wears glasses, this does not bode well.

      Shikamaru x Temari - For a smart guy, he really is a stupid bitch. Have fun with the rest of your miserable life Shikamaru. Also, your kid is unoriginal, woo.

      Choji x Karui - 100% approved! Black chicks dig fluffies. Also, +1 for Chouji's totally thug pimp ass look. Karui is far from the worst chick he coulda hooked up with. Also, their daughter is this <snip>

      Ino x Sai - Ino is a superficial bitch that wanted Sasuke because of his good looks/coolness whatever. Since Ino is second best to Sakura, she settled for Sasuke's replacement on the team. Sai is just happy to make someone smile, since that is the depth of his emotional profile. Hope Ino likes dick jokes, and that her husband can wear her tops better than her. Makes perfect sense, way to go Kishimoto.

      Tenten x weapons - Well, not much in the weapon bus...but I bet she could market some ninja "personal massagers" real well! Shame, Tenten looks like she needs one herself too since Neji is worm shit.

      Rock Lee x Cellular Mitosis - through hard work and perseverance Lee managed to spawn his own son since he was unable to woo anyone ever. (Hey, it worked for Shmi Skywalker). If not, whoever the mystery woman is, must be a total nympho, because I'm sure sex is like just another form of training for Lee. Asakujaku takes on a whole new meaning now...

      Kurenai x Memories - Well, Kurenai is an old maid apparantly. Do people not remarry or divorce in this world? Also, their kid is a girl, so she's doomed to mediocrity due to the author's portrayal of females. Also, she has no name...

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    • ItachiWasAHero wrote: Just no. Shizune never said Sakura was better. Mei would beat Sakura, Tsunade would beat Sakura, Kushina would beat Sakura, Konan would beat Sakura, Kurenai would beat Sakura. Shit Hinata's Byakugan and Gentle Fist style are Sakura's true weaknesses, if you remember what those abilities do and give Hinata then you would know why. Sakura mastered a technique Shizune couldn't, that is all. Also Kaguya forgot Sakura even existed, hence Sakura telling her not to forget her, she is a lady too. That's almost equivalent to Yajirobe sneak attacking Vegeta.

      Quoting the wiki "Shizune watched in amazement as Sakura revealed the Strength of a Hundred Seal, stating that such a (technique requires tremendous chakra control and that even she was not able to achieve the Strength of a Hundred Seal). She later watched on, beaming with pride alongside Hashirama who commented that Sakura's strength might be greater than Tsunade's."

      Sakura's Strength of a hundred seal uses immense chakra control it's not a point that Sakura mastered a technique that Shizune couldn't its rather that Sakura has better chakra control than Shizune demonstrated by this technique. Besides Shizune has never does shit she doesn't even exist!!! you don't see her mass healing shinobi or summoning Katsuya. Similar to how Naruto used the Ninetales chakra when Neji blocked Naruto's chakra points Sakura could Just use up the chakra in her big forehead lol. Kaguya has the Byakugan Im sure she saw sakura but couldn't react fast enough. Konan, Kushina, and Kurenai beating Sakura are debatable but Im sure she would win against them Her forehead seal (lol) allows her to automatically without thinking heal which is OP. Sakura is also a Genjutsu type so Kurenai would have a tough time. People have really low opinions of Sakura but she, Tsunade, Chiyo, and Kaguya are the only women who have done anything big.

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    • Hisana456 wrote: @Minasas Pierrot and Kishi do quite different representation of Naruto and Sakura apparently!

      I agree that the anime adaptation is portrayed in an exaggerated manner but on Naruto's return on page 15 she was blushing while thinking about his growth

      "I don't ship Naruto and Sakura, but the latter is the strongest female of her generation: like Tsunade is of hers, same goes to Mito! Hinata and Ino can't come near her level. That's why Kishi give this strong kunoichi a strong partner: yes, Sasuke!" You can't base a relationship on Strength! And actually Sasuke is weak mentally, he succumbs quickly to strength and darkness.

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    • Minasas, as being said earlier on this topic, no Double-posting allowed, edit ur most recent comment if u forgot to say something

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    • Minasas wrote:

      Hisana456 wrote: @Minasas Pierrot and Kishi do quite different representation of Naruto and Sakura apparently!

      I agree that the anime adaptation is portrayed in an exaggerated manner but on Naruto's return on page 15 she was blushing while thinking about his growth

      "I don't ship Naruto and Sakura, but the latter is the strongest female of her generation: like Tsunade is of hers, same goes to Mito! Hinata and Ino can't come near her level. That's why Kishi give this strong kunoichi a strong partner: yes, Sasuke!" You can't base a relationship on Strength! And actually Sasuke is weak mentally, he succumbs quickly to strength and darkness.

      Why do you think he's taking a redemption quest? For isolation into self-meditation..

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    • @Aka Shi Crow my bad talking to 2 people at the same time.

      @Hisana456 "Why do you think he's taking a redemption quest? For isolation into self-meditation.." But then Sakura is all alone with Sarada I feel like Sasuke and Sakura don't mix well they're always on different paces and I think don't share similar goals (beside reproduction: 4 Sakura pleasure, 4 Sasuke Building up that Uchiha clan/ *Pleasure maybe?*) Naruto seems more invested at home, busy as Hokage but yet close compared to Sasuke. Maybe The Last Movie will change everything.

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    • @Minasas "Why do you think he's taking a redemption quest? For isolation into self-meditation.." But then Sakura is all alone with Sarada I feel like Sasuke and Sakura don't mix well they're always on different paces and I think don't share similar goals (beside reproduction: 4 Sakura pleasure, 4 Sasuke Building up that Uchiha clan/ *Pleasure maybe?*) Naruto seems more invested at home, busy as Hokage but yet close compared to Sasuke. Maybe The Last Movie will change everything.

      Yeah, let's wait for the movie then...

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    • (I'm wondering if any comment I make will actually mean anything 180 posts in...)

      First of all NaruHina, SasuSaku and ShikaTema at least partially make sense story wise. Whether its acceptable or not is a different issue but the fact that so many people say that all of the pairings were forced or had no development (InoSai,ChoujiKarui) is just indicative of the obvious: that Kishimoto didn't write romance into the story (by his own admission). At least, any romance that is in there is pretty shallow.

      Its clear that by the end of the story (Ch. 699) despite the fact that it can be interpreted that Naruto and Hinata became closer and the relationship between Sakura and Sasuke was repaired, none of these things can be taken as absolute proof that they were going to end up as a pairing in the end; because the romance wasn't there despite how the girls felt about their respective men. Whatever development that led to the romances between the various pairings obviously occurred within the timeskip, with Naruto and Hinata's one being depicted in the upcoming movie. And this development has the potential to be at odds with what is portrayed in the manga due to the fact that the manga only covers a very short period of time in the character's lives (even though its 15 years to us).

      Then there's the fact that the epilogue chapter is merely a snapshot. Aside from pairings, children and various observations about the kage, etc, we can't really glean too much information about what everyone is actually doing that isn't taken at face value. In particular Sakura: is she now a stay at home mom doing the cleaning like a housewife should or is she Konoha's Chief Medical Ninja at the general hospital currently taking time off? And what is Sasuke actually doing? Is he still on his journey? Does he come back home a few days at a time? And how is his relationship with Sakura currently? We'll never know.

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    • All right, here's my overall perspective on the pairings:

      SaIno - I was hoping this would happen. Sai needs personality in his life...

      Choji x Karui - didn't see this coming, but I'm perfectly fine with it.

      ShikaTema - no surprise, was hoping this would happen.

      LeeTen - okay, we don't know if this happened or not, but I kinda sorta think so and would prefer it for both of them.

      KibaTawa - no, just no. It may be a joke, but all the attention was over Akamaru being a geezer, not the whole cat x dog thing. Why didn't you confess to Hinata earlier, Kiba?! Now you're stuck with Catwoman (... ya know, that would be interesting, especially for Bats)!

      NaruHina - no surprise, but I don't like it at all. I've explained above, so you can just go there if you so please.

      SasuSaku - just as bad as NH. I explained it above also. Another side note: IGN themselves said that they hated these two pairings in their review of the chapters.

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    • IGN's views matter?...

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    • Hisana456 wrote: IGN's views matter?...

      Right? Tell me about me about it.

      @Gemnist, SS and NH aren't nearly as bad as you think. The only crap I hear is garbage like SS is abusive and NH is a stalking relationship. The ignorance is too strong.

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    • Sorry for double posting, but this is a separate idea so I figured it needed to be a separate post.

      Here's another reason why NH doesn't work and I can't believe people didn't see this earlier. People (including KISHI HIMSELF judging by the IT) seem to have forgotten what Hinata's primary goal in the series was. It wasn't to be in the same bed as Naruto. It was to prove herself worthy to Hiashi, become the Hyuga clan leader, and kick Hanabi's butt. But as you can see, Bolt and Himawari don't have the Byakugan. All Hyuga clan members are branded with the Byakugan when they are about three, but Bolt's about 9 and Himawari about 6. There's only one explanation for this: HINATA LEFT THE HYUGA CLAN JUST SO SHE COULD BE IN THE SAME BED AS NARUTO. That, my friends, is just plain ridiculous. She never goes back on her word? She did right there. All she wanted was to stand by Naruto's side, NOT cherish it (Ep. 330; I forget the chapter). Same with Sakura for Sasuke ("I just want your acknowledgement, Sasuke-kun... That's all... I'm (erec****) desperate...", Ch. 3) And yet the former gave up on achieving the very thing she wanted even before she knew Naruto, and both just went for the next level. For a series that is all about achieving goals, this just isn't right.

      As for IGN, they're the GODS of Internet media coverage. We should give them at least some respect.

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    • Correction: Hinata's nindo was to never give up on herself. Carry on.

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    • But then that would be such a waste. For 700 chapters it's been painfully obvious that Hinata feels for Naruto. There has not been one chapter that told me other wise. Not in one chapter that showed me Hinata liked someone else. And the crush Naruto had on Sakura was dropped a long time ago. Like it has been noted. It's been there for strict comedic purposes. What would the manga be if both Hinata and Sakura had feelings for Naruto and Sasuke, then in the last 2 pages. They dump it and move on. That's like Naruto becoming the next Raikage. Why would they make him say he wants to be Hokage but then just becomes Raikage?. IGN as gods of Internet coverage? Seriously?

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    • LOL this is soooooo hilarious how mad the NaruSaku shippers are. GIVE. IT. UP. I tried to stay out of this, but you are on here bashing the canon couples simply because you think your reasons and words and "facts" outdo the author, his personal editors and assistants words, reasons and "facts".. Just go somewhere else Gemnist and others like Gemnist this is simply becoming irritating seeing this nonsense on here, you want to go vent about how it should of been NaruSaku(your opinions is all they are) then go to the Naruto fandom wiki. I am not being rude, I am being blunt and upfront with you. This goes to all people who are doing the same as Gemnist. Just get over it and move on with your lives.

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    • @ItachiWasAHero, I regret Sajuuk and I allowing a pairing thread, but if we just said "No pairing discussions regardless of chapter 700" we would never hear the end of it.

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    • Why not change it to, "Canon discussions with no mention of non canon shippings whatsoever." Idk.. would that work?

      Edit - I am losing my mind lol -.- I just saw the post again

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    • lol ItachiWasAHero, please read the first post of this thread. :)

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    • @Gemnist...IGN lost it's cool ages ago! Plus, Hinata loves Naruto, whereas Sakura and Sasuke have been portrayed, promoted and covered up as a couple by Kishi himself many times.

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    • I read the IGN review of chapters 699 and 700 (Yes, I go to IGN as well). They never said they hated NaruHina, they called it "...a not-so-surprising development..." Though they did call SasuSaku "controversial" and noted it "makes the final chapter ... bittersweet." Gemnist only calls them "GODS" because they agree with him. Though hilariously, they never explicitly stated they "hated" the pairings, so I don't know what Gemnist is talking about.

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    • I second that. I think Gemnist sugar coated it. Windstar, what's your opinion on the petition to ban Naruto? I think I needed this laugh ^_^

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    • I liked NaruHina and SasuSaku ending, but I feel for Kakashi and Guy, still unmarried

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    • Eric Burrell wrote: I second that. I think Gemnist sugar coated it. Windstar, what's your opinion on the petition to ban Naruto? I think I needed this laugh ^_^

      First sentence of this link. Not giving my opinions here. And if I do give one here, it's a rare one. :P Carry on with the topic at hand, please.

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    • Eric Burrell wrote:

      Hisana456 wrote: IGN's views matter?...

      Right? Tell me about me about it.

      @Gemnist, SS and NH aren't nearly as bad as you think. The only crap I hear is garbage like SS is abusive and NH is a stalking relationship. The ignorance is too strong.

      Ironic that you called that ignorance. Sasuke X Sakura IS an abusive relationship. He tried to kill her twice. Kishimoto cannot write women character's good at all. If this was a real world relationship Sakura would already be dead from the abusive relationship.

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    • I only call IGN "gods" because I really like going there, that's all. I never said I supported NS in this thread, Itachi (in fact, I suggested we stop), so stop flicking me off and sneering, all right?! I'm just saying why NH and SS don't work; I would say more, but that might teeter on the edge of insult, and that would be "blunt and upfront" - or should I say rude? Let me just say something and be done with it. I didn't break any rules. If you want to laugh at how NH is canon, do it MODESTLY like I am.

      That petition - geez people, it's not THAT bad; this makes that petition to deport Justin Bieber look like the Declaration of Independence (I hate him, but still; all he did was throw eggs, not commit treason). To answer Windy's question, they do go into a bit of detail into why it doesn't work; I only used the word "hate" just because. As for Eric, it may have been one of her goals, but let's be honest. Who gives a #$&@ about what Hinata wants? Or Kiba? Or Shino? Or Choji? Or Shikamaru? OR ANYONE IN THIS WHOLE FRANCHISE OUTSIDE OF NARUTO AND (to a certain degree) SASUKE? The series was all about Naruto becoming Hokage and trying to overcome Sasuke. Why do we even bother with the rest?

      I'm sorry if this sounds rude, I really am, but this is getting out of hand. Honestly, I WANT this thread closed if all anyone is going to do is hate, hate, hate.

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    • See why we didn't allow pairing threads in the first place? However, chapter 700 made that a little complicated.

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    • Gemnist wrote: It was to prove herself worthy to Hiashi, become the Hyuga clan leader, and kick Hanabi's butt.

      And is there any indication she didn't achieved that? I mean it may be complicated with becoming clan leader, but then again - Naruto could very well enter Hyuuga clan by marriage (I don't see why Hiashi or other Hyuugas could refuse the hero of the war). We simply don't know what her current status inside clan is. Kishimoto never really paid much attention to Hyuugas, even the whole cursed seal was just for Nejis development sake and plain stupid (seal that suppose to protect byakugan secret but only part of the clan have it, so if you kill a main branch Hyuuga you can get eyes no problem)

      But as you can see, Bolt and Himawari don't have the Byakugan. All Hyuga clan members are branded with the Byakugan when they are about three, but Bolt's about 9 and Himawari about 6. There's only one explanation for this: HINATA LEFT THE HYUGA CLAN JUST SO SHE COULD BE IN THE SAME BED AS NARUTO.

      No, Hyuugas are born with byakugan. Cadet branch members are branded with the cursed seal, but only if the next clan heir or heiress turns three (Neji was branded only because Hinata was born and turns three. If Hiashi had never had a child then Neji would never be branded). Now we don't know who is Hyuuga clan leader after chapter 699, we don't know if Hanabi is married and with children, and even if she is and is a clan leader then Bolt and Himawari still would not be branded as they lack byakugan. Not to mention that we don't know if Hyuugas are still using the seal as Naruto promised Neji to change the clan.

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    • WindStar7125 wrote: See why we didn't allow pairing threads in the first place? However, chapter 700 made that a little complicated.

      I assumed that writing why the pairings were bad while using evidence for other pairings would have been off topic which is why I never bothered. I left why I think he was a bad writer for http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:152337#19 that thread and on other forums. Plus I'm not even a shipper anyway. It was just observations from reading the manga.

      Bambusek wrote:

      Gemnist wrote: It was to prove herself worthy to Hiashi, become the Hyuga clan leader, and kick Hanabi's butt.

      And is there any indication she didn't achieved that? I mean it may be complicated with becoming clan leader, but then again - Naruto could very well enter Hyuuga clan by marriage (I don't see why Hiashi or other Hyuugas could refuse the hero of the war). We simply don't know what her current status inside clan is. Kishimoto never really paid much attention to Hyuugas, even the whole cursed seal was just for Nejis development sake and plain stupid (seal that suppose to protect byakugan secret but only part of the clan have it, so if you kill a main branch Hyuuga you can get eyes no problem)

      But as you can see, Bolt and Himawari don't have the Byakugan. All Hyuga clan members are branded with the Byakugan when they are about three, but Bolt's about 9 and Himawari about 6. There's only one explanation for this: HINATA LEFT THE HYUGA CLAN JUST SO SHE COULD BE IN THE SAME BED AS NARUTO.

      No, Hyuugas are born with byakugan. Cadet branch members are branded with the cursed seal, but only if the next clan heir or heiress turns three (Neji was branded only because Hinata was born and turns three. If Hiashi had never had a child then Neji would never be branded). Now we don't know who is Hyuuga clan leader after chapter 699, we don't know if Hanabi is married and with children, and even if she is and is a clan leader then Bolt and Himawari would still not be branded as they lack byakugan. Not to mention that we don't know if Hyuugas are still using the seal as Naruto promised Neji to change the clan.

      Hinata was main branch. That's the only reason her children wouldn't have been branded.

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    • This is why I'm worried for future generations. Why the hell are you reading something like Naruto, when all you are going to do is complain about not getting what you want? All I hear is plot hole this, trashy writing that. For god's sake. Just drop the series and save us the trouble for people who enjoy the franchise. You're ruining it for the rest of the fans.

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    • I've been far too lenient. Discuss the canon pairings. Let's not have this get off topic any further. Everyone is entitled to their opinions. Bashing the canon pairings is still discussing canon pairings. Supporting the canon pairings is still discussing canon pairings. Any irrelevant comments after this will be deleted. Let's not argue with each other. Seriously.

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    • SeaTerror wrote: Hinata was main branch. That's the only reason her children wouldn't have been branded.

      I think you could be moved from main to cadet. If Hanabi become the leader then Hinata should be moved to branch like her uncle Hizashi and vice versa. Still, we lack data to actually reach any conclusion.

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    • Everyone has a smile in 700. Hinata and Naruto has a smile on. They have 2 kids. I don't know about you but 2 kids is progression of a relationship. And Sakura looks happy and content with her life. I don't see any expression on their face saying "Ah crap I think I made the wrong decision"

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    • Eric Burrell wrote: And Sakura looks happy and content with her life. I don't see any expression on their face saying "Ah crap I think I made the wrong decision"

      She went from being a powerful (though always in the shadows of Sasuke and Naruto) mednin to becoming a housewive, but maybe that what she wanted anyway :) She get the man she wanted so why not. And that is why ending was good - all characters seems to be happy with their lives and it is the most important :)

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    • Eric Burrell wrote: Everyone has a smile in 700. Hinata and Naruto has a smile on. They have 2 kids. I don't know about you but 2 kids is progression of a relationship. And Sakura looks happy and content with her life. I don't see any expression on their face saying "Ah crap I think I made the wrong decision"

      That's because Kishimoto cannot write women good at all. In reality if there was ever a situation like Sakura has the woman would be dead since Sasuke literally tried to kill her twice. It was terrible writing on his part.

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    • Guys, she was shown in one panel cleaning and that labels her a house wife? We didn't see Choji, Sai, Hinata or Ino doing absolute squat. For all we know. Ino could be working in her flower shop full time. You guys can't judge Sakura's outcome on one panel.

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    • @Windy Exactly. I'm surprised this even happened. I can't even IMAGINE what a similar thing on the Harry Potter Wiki would be like (personally, I liked that series' epilogue; guess nobody else did).

      @Eric Also exactly. We'll probably get our answers to Sakura and the others in the databook.

      @SeaTerror Exactly again. Don't really need to elaborate; the answers are all in here.

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    • Plane in the Desert wrote:

      Sasusaku I grew to love, and I like it much more than Sasukarin, which has less development and was less heartfelt (and besides that Karin is slightly creepy).

      karins not slightly creepy. shes really creepy

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    • @Aghias And so was Sakura before Sasuke's defection. Here's how I put it. The Naruto franchise is chock-loaded with foils (characters that are like others but with certain divergent traits) to Naruto, Sasuke, and Sakura. For example, there's the Sannin being foils of the three's respective apprentices, there's Obito and Kakashi being foils to Naruto and Sasuke respectively, etc. Then there's Karin, who's a foil to Sakura, representing what Sakura would've become had she gone ahead and joined Sasuke. Karin even figured this the moment she laid eyes on Sakura (Five Kage Summit Arc). Thankfully, Sakura didn't go with Sasuke and was able to become a fully-fledged, great character in Part II who got far more scrutiny than she deserved and had all her characterization wasted by having her pair up with Sasuke. I even think she might've gone back to her fangirl state judging by her reaction to Boruto; we'll find out in the spin-off manga, I guess.

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    • Sakura matured the most out of all the female characters, but her love stayed strong which Sasuke eventually (sensibily) returned. Therefore, a family was formed!

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    • Hisana456 wrote: Sakura matured the most out of all the female characters, but her love stayed strong which Sasuke eventually (sensibily) returned. Therefore, a family was formed!

      Lol. Kishimoto ruined her character and made her another person with battered wife syndrome. It was terrible.

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    • Kishi didn't ruin her character up until those last eight chapters. When Sasuke defected, Sakura finally came to accept others, and became a very selfless and caring (if not quick-tempered) individual who even started keeping watch over NARUTO. To be honest, though, Sasuke's way of returning the feelings was WAY too rushed. I said earlier that it doesn't make sense for someone to like a person just because another guy beats you in a fight. If I had been in Sasuke's place (just hope I don't lose an arm), I might've accepted defeat. And I might've apologized for hurting Sakura. But I wouldn't want to suddenly make out with her. Oh - and he TOTALLY took away Naruto's forehead comment (either that, or he was daydreaming about Itachi again). In the end, Kishi had intended to make Sakura look like a heroine, which he clearly was doing well especially when she held her own against Madara even after getting stabbed, beating the Ten-Tails enough to scare the crap out of her teammates, reinstating confidence to an entire army, and being the only female up against Kaguya. But then Ch. 693 came along, and we saw the very same desperate, annoying, "battered wife syndrome" fangirl named Sakura we had always hated - even after she took a bite of genjutsu. These last few chapters ignored almost all her characterization, and that's what makes me furious.

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    • I skimmed some of this conversation, maybe I’m a little late to the party but I’ll still weigh in on this “love-hate” fest. My opinion like everyone else’s has its own bias.

      As I see it, I don't think showing more relationship development is “that” important to the dynamic of the Naruto series. It seems to me that Kishi hinted at the various pairings that he was thinking about as the story progressed and didn't want to set anything in stone until the very end, his story his rules (I will admit I wasn’t expecting Choji and Karui although I welcome the twist).

      I like the Naruto/Hinata, which is the one that mattered most to me (explained later). I do have my preferences but overall I’m fine with all of the parings.

      Personally, any combination paring of Naruto, Sakura and Sasuke should not have happened, I would have preferred if they only loved each other as siblings (figuratively).

      Hater Trap / Sakura Rant: This opinion is shared by almost everyone I know. Adding monster strength to a character like Sakura does not equal character development. Sure there was plenty of potential for proper character development on her part but whenever Sasuke was involved she always turned in to the same Sakura from Part I of the series that a lot of people hated, just not as useless... Yes this rant was dumbed down and not very substantial. Sakura does have some redeeming qualities, but bottom-line I don’t like her that much and I laughed when ever Sasuke trolled her, LOL.

      Fun Stuff: Why does Sarada Uchiha wear glasses??? My twisted view on Sarada… Basically Sakura was damaged goods and since Karin would do anything for Sasuke she became the surrogate mother. After Sarada was born Sasuke placed Karin under a genjutsu to make Karin forget the surrogacy (or something else of that nature) to avoid her craziness ;p

      Back to Naruto and Hinata: This paring works for reasons some of you may or may not know or considered and focuses on what Minato say to Naruto “-find someone like you’re mother-”. Both Sakura and Hinata share some of her qualities. I just believe Hinata shares the more substantial ones. The primary example is how Kushina protected Naruto as a baby and how Hinata protected him during the war, it’s pretty much the same. Basically Hinata, like Kushina is willing to protect Naruto at all times no matter the odds no matter the cost. Also see the fight against Pain for another good example of this. Another thing to keep in mind is that Hinata can be stubborn and even fearless when it comes to Naruto’s well-being. Even though Naruto tells everyone to stay out of his fight against Pain, Hinata still jumps in to “help” him when he needs it most. Despite nearly getting herself killed she still indirectly saves Naruto (again very similar to how Kushina feels about Minato and their son). Other personality traits that Kushina and Hinata share (to a more or lesser extent depending on your views) are levelheadedness, cheerfulness, as well as being calm and kind.

      I think Kishi made the right choice putting Naruto and Hinata together, it just made the most sense.

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    • Ah c'mon @Gemnist, that Naruto being Sasuke thing with complementing Sakura's forehead is so irrelevant. Kishimoto is known for his flashbacks. Sasuke's thank you to Sakura has been a flashback here and there. But in no shape way or form (unless I have a terrible memory) have I ever seen Kishimoto bring that back. No one even remembers that moment. It's so far back in part 1 I'm sure majority of the fandom doesn't even remember it. So that's nonsense that Sasuke took that from Naruto. I don't even remember Naruto complementing her forehead after that chapter. And correction, Sakura's character would have gone to shit if her feelings from Sasuke has been going on from chapter 690+, then two chapters left, she hops on the N-Train. If she ever took Naruto from Hinata, I swear to you, then people would be throwing all Naruto related stuff in the trash. That would have destroyed her character, not her loving the same guy from the get go. Thank you for anyone who survived this essay ^_^

      quick Edit. Saying SS is abusive is just a sad excuse. Sakura can defend herself just fine. You know what's abuse? Like in a StarWars universe where a Jedi harms another who is completely powerless. That's abuse. By time Itachi learned how to walk. He could have easily killed anyone. This is a fictional universe. Anyone can kill anyone. I wouldn't see Mei get abused. you know why? Cause she's a female ninja who can defend herself no problem. You fail to realize that the "abuse" is when Sasuke was at his worst and he didn't receive his beatdown from Naruto.

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    • Kishimoto himself said he wasn't good at writing love stories (if you want a quote on that I'll get it) and that is why that part of The Last: Naruto The Movie is going to be written by someone else, although Kishi is going to have some control over the movie. I am OK with all of the ships that became canon (but Chouji X Karui like WTF?) but the fact that some NaruSaku shippers are so crazy that they want to get Naruto banned in the USA until NaruSaku becomes canon (<snip - no links>) is a bit crazy. Don't want to discuss it that much but I just wanted to point it out.

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    • As I said in one of my other posts (which will probably deleted but I hope not ;-;)

      I do not like that there had to be pair ups and a time skip. Most of the pairings seem like they were just catering to the popular shippings. I was never a shipper and I never really cared about any particular fanon or canon pairing so I am very disappointed with this ending.

      I don't really like any of the pairings and I wish that Kishi had just ended it with Naruto becoming Hokage and Sasuke coming back to the village and making his resolutions with no time skip. That would have been more than enough for me. This Epilogue makes me feel weird and a little uncomfortable.

      Granted NaruHina I can somewhat stomach, but honestly I don't care about that pairing either.

      Sorry if I insulted anyone's opinion, I just felt like expressing my own on the matter. This has been bothering me for some time. I'm not an anti-shipper, I've shipped pairings in other anime before, but I just felt like Naruto should not have ended with pair ups. It's just how it feels and had always felt to me, and that's why I'm disappointed.

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    • @Echo: you didn't insult anyone, you just gave your opinion ^-^

      To everyone: I don't want to start up a flame war ship war whatever war, but apparently there are claims that that ban on naruto in the U.S. was started by a NH/SS fan who wanted to badly show the NS fandom. The problem with that is that it could also be an NS fan making that claim, who wants to badly show the NH fandom. Or, it could be a NH fan impersonating an NS fan impersonating an NH fan who is impersonating an NS fan. In short: this fandom is crazy.

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    • @Plane-San, every fandom is crazy.

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    • Badooga1 wrote: Kishimoto himself said he wasn't good at writing love stories (if you want a quote on that I'll get it) and that is why that part of The Last: Naruto The Movie is going to be written by someone else, although Kishi is going to have some control over the movie.

      Didn't he actually say that he got embarrassed writing romance into the manga so decided to remove romantic developments from it completely? And I don't remember it being stated anywhere that Kishimoto would let someone else write the romance.

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    • Some thoughts about SS...

      Kind of a disappointment really...I mean, it was just kind of sad on Sakura's part that she chose to end up, marry and have a kid with someone who tried to kill/harm her in the past. I get that the epilogue is at least 10+ years ahead...but she would have to be crazy to even think about it. I personally wouldn't find a guy that has rejected me for a great deal of my life, and then suddenly have an interest towards me just because he wants to try something new very attractive. Sasuke made it very clear some chapters prior that he had no interest in her and I was cool with it. I thought it would be left at that considering he's been saying it for so many years now. And if he did have even just a shred of feelings for her it would have been great for Kishimoto to subtly hint at it throughout the story. NOT attempt to shove a hint in our face at the last minute. IT IS NOT A VERY CONVINCING ROMANTIC DEVELOPMENT FOR THE TWO. Not to mention it feels rushed and just plain cheap. I mean it's great and handy dandy to see that Sasuke has turned a new leaf in the end but I can't just accept the fact that Sakura can forgive him so easily with one or two apologies and a touch to her forehead. One act of affection does not cancel nor does it equal out chapters and chapters of rejection from the guy. I was hoping Kishimoto would give her a sense of dignity and some actual brains in the end and realize that she doesn't need to chase a man to function properly considering that was ALL she was doing throughout the ENTIRE series. The attempt to develop her as a character never really convinced me, but Kishimoto didn't do a horrible job at it and he did her some redeeming aspects about herself. At one point I even started to see her as an actual character and not just another stock female protagonist who lives for one of the male protagonists. But it seems like all of that was thrown out the window when she married Sasuke and my blooming vision of her was ruined. I was hoping for an independent Sakura. Not a housewife Sakura. And yes, I can understand fully if she wanted to marry, but for God's sake why did it have to be Sasuke?? It was never really specified to begin with WHY she was even in love with him in the first place other than the fact that she liked his appearance, so really Sasuke just seems like her trophy husband in my opinion and it also just seems like Sasuke married her out of pity : ( I mean, I'd have been much happier if she married the guy who gave her that love letter instead. So disappointed...

      I also don't mean to offend any people out there who ship the pair. I actually don't mind it and it could have worked out had it not been so rushed.

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    • Technically, he didn't reject her. His response to her in both cases of confessions showed how much confused Sasuke got in such conditions, and it clearly showed he harbored strong yet (to him enigmatic) feelings for her. Plus, LOVE doesn't need a reason to come to you, soul-mates find each other one way or the other. Falling in Love is more or less: a beautiful phenomenon! I hope this clears most of your misconcepts of this pair @Akikurr :)

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    • I'm sorry...I just can't see it, and I don't really see it as a misconception on my part either.

      Just before his big fight with Naruto he clearly said he didn't feel the same way towards her. Sasuke's responses towards her even prior to throughout the series although somewhat vague were always clearly negative. To me, that is a rejection but obviously Sakura couldn't take the hint. I never really saw the confusion in him you were talking about. Sasuke's character has always been the type who seems to know what he wants and needs, even in his state of mental health. At least, that's the Sasuke that Kishi wrote. Idk...maybe I'm blind? : / And I'll admit, those vague inclinations he gave her before he left for the village in the first series and also how he brought it up near the end (when he called her annoying) show some sort of relationship with her, but it was in no way hinted at being a romantic one. It came out more like a relationship between long lost friends, which is justifiable since they pretty much are. I can understand if he felt that his feelings were enigmatic to him, but I can't see it being interpreted as (again) romantic.

      Honestly, by the way Kushina was telling Naruto to get a girl like his mother, I thought that was hinting at Naruto and Sakura getting together in the end since it was brought up more than once. Although I have nothing against NH. It's just that Kushina and Sakura have a lot in common in terms of personality after all and the role they played beside two important characters, with one being the main character.

      I also think that love doesn't need a reason to come to a person and it is a beautiful phenomenon : ) I just wish I saw more of it between the two if it was going to happen eventually. I'm sorry but I stand by my opinion on this one @Hisana456

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    • @Arcane Kushina is calm? Level-headed? LIKE HINATA? Dude, you're seriously going to have to re-read her stories again. Kushina may be kind, but she's also quick-tempered, impulsive, and a sea of flaming hair. Everyone says she's like Sakura, and I agree. MINATO is the one who's like Hinata. HE'S the level-headed, cautious, and calm one. As for Sakura, her development was more in how she was selfless and less critical of people, and was at least able to stop thinking about Sasuke for extended periods of time. Plus, when she thought of Sasuke, she accurately had the "battered housewife" reaction, not the "Sasuke-kun's so SEXY!" reaction that everyone found annoying.

      @Eric The forehead thing was just a joke on my part, but you'll be surprised to know how much of the fandom has been going "When the hell is he going to confess it was him?". Also, Naruto remembers this (Ch. 469) and I highly doubt Sakura would forget the "first time Sasuke" complimented her. I also never called Sasuke an abusive husband. But for the record, who would sleep with a person that tried to slit his/her throat? It may have been in the past, but there are things called internal scars. Do you seriously think Naruto doesn't still feel all the abuse he got those 16 years? Do you seriously think Sasuke doesn't still hate the ninja world for what they did to his clan? Absolutely NOT! How should it be different for Sakura - or anyone else, for that matter? Her character also would've gone to waste had their been no development beforehand, not at the end when there was plenty of stuff that happened. Plus, all she wanted was Sasuke's acknowledgement, as I said earlier. And just for the record - when did a Jedi harm a powerless individual? (off-topic, no need to reply, but STILL).

      @Plane NH/SS guy trying to diss NS? Seriously?? Siiiighhhhh, fandom. That's why I'm going to escape that and become a legit storyteller. I'll explain more in the thread I was talking about earlier.

      @OH&S Kishi's writing the script, but I have the gumption that Studio Pierrot forced Kishi to do so. The movie had to have been in development since at least 2009. THey must've made him write the story just to make it canon (Akira Toriyama did that with Battle of Gods). Studio Pierrot is one big NH/Anti-Sakura community, so it's not surprising. Don't believe me? They've constantly called Sakura "far from cute", "annoying", "stereotypical", and that "Hinata's a far better hero", each of which Kishi does or doesn't agree with (Sakura was made more heroic at the end for the last one). Kishi never said, though, that he was embarrassed with romance. In fact, since there wasn't much at all in Part 1 (outside of humor), Kishi decided to focus more on it in Part 2 despite finding it difficult.

      @Hisana No, Akikurr's right. While he didn't outright say "Forget romance, b****", he made it clear throughout the series that he didn't love her. He knows how much of a stupid fantasy Sakura's crush was, and he knew that nothing was there for her in that. His response to her was just to show that he really didn't care for her. He was trying to sever the bonds he didn't see as bonds (including Team 7) so he told her not to come. And then tried to impale her with Chidori in-between. Then there's your thing about love, which happens to be the very first thing I talked to you about. You need a reason to be in love with someone. If that wasn't the case, then we'd all have gay feelings for our mothers/fathers just because we love them... What you don't need is a reason to love someone. I've trained myself to not hate anyone and care for everyone. But I'm not IN LOVE with any of them. I see them all as brethren. To fall in love with someone, there must be something more. And it's not just the fact that the love object has a cool look, nice hair, and/or is physically built. That qualifies for misleading attraction, and that's the only thing that got Sakura and Ino to have a crush on Sasuke AT ALL. You need to look inside - see how this person cares for you, cares for others, will throw away his/her life for you, cares for children, etc. Sasuke doesn't have any of those qualities for Sakura.

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    • Look, Kishimoto can't please everyone. I'm going around in cricles with this. Honestly it was pointed out from the start who was going to be with who. All of the negative things about SS, is only brought up when Sasuke was revenge crazy. Now that he's sane and normal and have nothing to bring against him, they just relate to his past and all of the mistakes he made. EDIT, also, the Sasuke we see now is the Sasuke that Sakua has been waiting for. So don't give me that crap how she went back to her 12 year old self. She knows Sasuke at his worst and at his best. That's why she wanted to go with him. And I honestly haven't seen any response of Sakura saying she likes Naruto anything more than a brother would to a sister. And this batter house wife thing is a joke if I ever saw one. People can't accept the change so they try to soften their impact.

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    • @Akikurr Ummm, it was plain obvious Sasuke was lying! Plus, in the Raws, it's proven that Sasuke just responds to Kakashi that he has no reason to love her....technically, Love has no reason to come to you. And one more thing to add: Sasuke refused these bonds repeatedly which is why his fight with Naruto was essential...we all saw his raw self and apology to Sakura, proving he cares for her than some blank viewers think!

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    • Just reading some of these posts gives me a headache. Please make use of the Enter key to create paragraphs instead of posting text walls. -_-

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    • @Eric The only reason that it was made obvious of who would be with who was if you looked at Naruto and said "Wow, this is so generic". A lot of people did. And Naruto was supposed to overcome that. It was supposed to be able to stand on its own. Have its own ideas even when things started off similar. But the last two chapters threw all that away. Everything had that generic manga ending. You know, main character ends up with weird fangirl, main female ends up with main antagonist/best friend.

      Let's take two examples: Dragon Ball and Harry Potter - both of which had GOOD endings for a variety of reasons.

      Dragon Ball had Goku married Chi-Chi and Bulma married Vegeta. You'd think that Goku would be with Bulma, but the generic approach played out. It WORKED though because Goku didn't have feelings with Bulma to begin with and because we then got Gohan and Trunks. On the other hand, Naruto had feelings for Sakura, and Boruto and Sarada won't be getting the time their DB counterparts did - outside of a GT miniseries, at least.

      Harry Potter, meanwhile, had the benefit of significant development in the last 2/7s (or 3/8s, depending on which you follow) for both HarryxGinny and RonxHermione. Also, Harry never had feelings for Hermione. Naruto was different, though. He actually LIKED Sakura, and while there was some development for the canon pairings towards the end, it really wasn't that much in the long run.

      So everything about Naruto liking Hinata (within the context OF A MOVIE) and Sasuke liking Sakura was all way too rushed. As for the "Sasuke-waiting-for" thing, she didn't really want him to change; she just wanted him in the village. Her reactions to how Boruto painted the monument and Sasuke' forehead tap suggest she may have gone back to her old self, but I'm not going to make those assumptions until the miniseries kicks off.

      And the housewife thing may be a joke, but it's really true if you think about it. As for Sakura never saying she didn't like Naruto - dude, of course she did! Okay, outside the Five Kage Summit thing, maybe not, but Naruto's definitely changed her and she knows that and she's said many times that she cares for him - I'm really not going to continue down that road just to avoid fanon discussion.

      @Hisana You seriously think Sasuke loved Sakura during both of those occasions? Noooooo, he had no feelings for her then. He only had them when she came to the Final Valley - and that's why it was rushed. Even the most devoted of SS guys can see that. When Sasuke said he has no reason to love Sakura, and vice versa, it was because there was really was no reason, not because he liked her but lacked a reason! I'm sorry, but what you just said was ignorant and silly.

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    • @gmnist

      only want to say that naruto went the "generic" way WAY before thhe last chapters :/ and, yah, SS is forced, so is sasuke sudden change into a good guy :/ the whole ending and epilogue is a (depends on the POV) mess, obitos awesome afterlife and the fact that the death in naruto-verse means nothing, only that you can be with everyone you lost :/

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    • Eric Burrell wrote: Look, Kishimoto can't please everyone. I'm going around in cricles with this. Honestly it was pointed out from the start who was going to be with who. All of the negative things about SS, is only brought up when Sasuke was revenge crazy. Now that he's sane and normal and have nothing to bring against him, they just relate to his past and all of the mistakes he made. EDIT, also, the Sasuke we see now is the Sasuke that Sakua has been waiting for. So don't give me that crap how she went back to her 12 year old self. She knows Sasuke at his worst and at his best. That's why she wanted to go with him. And I honestly haven't seen any response of Sakura saying she likes Naruto anything more than a brother would to a sister. And this batter house wife thing is a joke if I ever saw one. People can't accept the change so they try to soften their impact.

      They bring it up because it's true. It was incredibly bad writing to make Sasuke suddenly "love" Sakura. The battered wife thing is only a "joke" to you because you don't think Kishimoto can ever be wrong and don't see that he writes women in general terribly. If he had bothered to properly develop these things then nobody would be complaining.

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    • @Gemnist.....Alright, you are definitely salty now: 'Naruto likes Sakura', not LOVES her....Sakura Loves Sasuke, in turn he has confused feelings for her but is attached to her non-the-less. Eric, let's leave him be, ok!?

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    • Sounds good Hisana!

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    • FINALLY! And it's okay, you guys. I know you were just expressing your opinion. Although for the record, by "like" I did mean "love". Just so you know.

      @GreatestSin Yeah, I know. That's what I was saying. It was generic from the beginning. What I'm saying is that it was supposed to come off that track. Everyone was hoping it wouldn't. And it started to look that way. But the last two chapters placed everything back to square one, particularly in terms of romance. That pisses me off SO MUCH.

      SS was forced, thank you. And the epilogue was really a mess; it'd be better if there was more development with the pairs and filled-in several major plot holes (what happened to Taka and Orochimaru?).

      Although I think Obito's fate was perfect, personally. His whole redemption thing could've been handled better, but his death mattered. At least this isn't Dragon Ball or American comics where death is SO pointless you can expect everyone to play Jesus and come back. I just wish they'd made it more impactful towards the end. Like at the scene where everyone is mourning the dead, I would've had only Hinata mourning Neji and other characters mourning other characters (like Shikamaru and Ino mourning their fathers - honestly, people, Neji wasn't the only casualty!). Then there's a scene with everyone leaving, only for Sasuke to look back at Madara's grave and Naruto to look back at Obito's. Then Kakashi goes to the memorial stone and crosses out Obito's name, saying something like "I only need one place to mourn you - it should be the more appropriate one".

      @SeaTerror Exactly!

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    • Sorry for this type of language but, im just laughtning my ass off to the people who doesnt understand how love works, also @Gemnist, Naruto left all the hatred and pain he had in himself at the Waterfall of Truth.

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    • @Aka And your point is...?

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    • "But for the record, who would sleep with a person that tried to slit his/her throat? It may have been in the past, but there are things called internal scars. Do you seriously think Naruto doesn't still feel all the abuse he got those 16 years? Do you seriously think Sasuke doesn't still hate the ninja world for what they did to his clan? Absolutely NOT! "Previous post of yours, my answer was that.

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    • Did he really leave it all behind? There's that one chapter where he uses Ino to give everyone on the battlefield all the suffering he went through, and saying he still has pain despite looking at the future (ultimately not boosting their morale entirely). And in the movie's trailer, he reminiscences on his suffering ("I was always so alone"). Sasuke, meanwhile, could not POSSIBLY have no more hatred. He still is trying to rebuild his clan. He even left the village again because he needed to experience the world's love.

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    • @Gemnist and anyone else who’s curious

      I standby what I said and I can see that at least two people in this forum agree. It was my intention to shine some light on the similarities between Hinata and Kushina, which I still say are more substantial as opposed to the completely obvious similarities between Sakura and Kushina. If I wanted to do a comparison of the latter I would have probably said something similar to what you wrote. Going back to the similarities Hinata has with Kushina that I stated near the end of my previous post, I made it a point to say “to a more or lesser extend depending on your views” for a reason, and that is because of how differently each of us can perceive the characters of the Naruto series.

      If it was Kishimoto’s intention to have Naruto and Hinata be together from the beginning, then I congradulate him on doing one hell of a job messing with all of us.

      In terms of Minato and Hinata I agree they have their similarities but again not the point of my previous post.

      I’m not touching any more on Sakura’s character development, it may have been bias but I’ve said my piece.

      @Everyone

      Sasuke and Sakura’s sudden paring…

      There wasn’t much actual development but I tried to pay attention to the subtle cues as wells. I’ll only be using parts near the end of the series to simplify my point of “trying to make sense of their paring” and maybe I’m seeing more than what is actually there, either way this is how I see it…

      Near the end of the series Sasuke asked Sakura why she like him (he’s asked this question before in a similar fashion, I’m just not sure how many times), she couldn’t answer his question properly because, I assume that the answer was obvious to her, she just couldn’t put it into words because of the complicated relationship that they have. When Sasuke asks Naruto the same question after “losing” their fight, Naruto is able to give Sasuke an answer he can understand. At this point, I believe that because of the close bond that Sasuke has with Naruto and Sakura he summed up that Sakura’s answer would be similar to the one Naruto gave him… The scene where Sakura ask Sasuke if she can join him on his journey and he responds by tapping her forehead is a bit of a throwback to when they were younger but I also think that Sasuke is telling Sakura in his own way that he finally acknowledges the way she feels. In a way it brings their to relationship to a full circle from when Sasuke left the first time, not knowing if he’s coming back, to him leaving a second time and knowing that he is coming back, creating a new beginning which is more or less continuing from where they left off.

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    • @ArcaneSeraphim, don't double post. Just edit your recent comment rather than add another directly next to it before waiting for others to respond to it.

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    • @Arcane Okay sure, your opinion is your opinion. It's an interesting way of interpreting Kushina, though, since I've never heard her EVER be compared to Hinata. Although for the record, I've never heard anyone compare Hinata and Minato (I just realized how similar their names are...). Either way, he totally did screw with us if NH was always going to be canon.

      As for SS, Sasuke never asked why Sakura liked him. But yeah, she had NO LEGIT REASON to like that total a**hole romantically. At all. AT ALL. So she couldn't put it into words without looking like a total idiot ("Because you have such nice eyes!"). In the end, Sakura's answer would probably be the same as Naruto's, but that doesn't constitute for romantic love. It constitutes for humanity love, if anything. And while the forehead thing you said is true, it was WAY too rushed. He can't suddenly have feelings for her in about 10 pages. That's unrealistic and way too sudden.

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    • @Aka Shi Crow; @Gemnist

      What Naruto left behind at the waterfall was metaphorically speaking, the personification of his old self, the Naruto that was being held back by hatred. After acknowledging and accepting his old self he was able to move on, knowing that even though his old self is a part of him it can’t hold him back anymore. Finding an outlet to let go of emotional baggage is all a part of life.

      @Everyone

      I think Sakura being a so called “battered housewife” is only temporary simply because of how young Sarada is. Just because Sasuke grew up without a family doesn’t mean Sarada should have to. If the series continues in anyway and it turns out I’m wrong, oh well.

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    • @ArcaneSeraphim, I thought I said no double posting. Just edit your comment. Wait for someone to respond before making another comment. Otherwise, add to your most recent comment, rather than directly add another one.

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    • @WindStar7125

      Sorry about that, I'll make sure it doesn't happen again.

      @Gemnist

      I compared Hinata to Kushina for pretty much that very reason and also to see if anyone else agreed with me.

      Sorry if I miss-quoted Sasuke, although I believe the gist of what I said about him and Sakura can still apply.

      For all the parings, in the end Kishimoto knew what he wanted, he just didn’t show what happened. It probably wasn’t that much of a priority for him given how the series it ended. Hopefully the last movie will settle the relationship development issues in an acceptable way.

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    • xD this thread is getting funnier and funnier

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    • I think it'd be disingenuous to say NaruHina and SasuSaku were "obvious" considering how NaruSaku got the lion's share of development all throughout the manga, from characters acting as intermediaries for their feelings for another (Yamato for Sakura and Sai for Naruto), to data books hinting at Sakura's supposedly confusing feelings for Naruto, and, the most obvious, parallels to Minato/Kushina, Jiraiya/Tsunade and Obito/Rin. Hinata was hardly given any panel time after they held hands. The focus was mostly on Sakura when it came to insight on Naruto; most of her panel time was spent on her worrying and thinking about him in one way or another. The whole "find someone like your mother" thing came full circle 130 chapters after it was brought in with Minato identifying Sakura as the one that reminded him of his wife, and then we had that whole CPR thing and whatnot.

      The fact these two never had their closure and the promise, while fulfilled, was never touched upon again despite being mentioned in 693 and the latest data book, as well as Karin's sudden disappearance all lead me to believe the endgame pairings weren't decided until after Road to Ninja.

      Given the comparatively enormous development of NaruSaku to other couples, especially the ones that were canonised, I'm not convinced Kishimoto didn't change his mind or capitulated to editorial pressure because SS was already more popular Japan, and NH was of a similar size to NS, whilst SK was pretty small.

      I'm not too fussed with NaruHina becoming canon since that pairing, albeit underdeveloped, is healthy.

      SasuSaku sends all the wrong messages though. That shit can burn in a fire. I don't understand how anyone can find it appealing, what with Sasuke treating Sakura like shit and trying to kill her and her loved ones and destroy her home. It's just a terrible pairing.

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    • ok well too bad, its canon and it happened. A lot of us are content and happy with it.

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    • Bored now. I said no comments about fanon pairings. And some didn't listen. None of you will say a word to each other regarding this topic any longer. The discussion is closed. Move on. Get out of here. It’s over. And I will happily put anyone who cries about it on block check. I will not approve of any pairing discussions in the forums from this point forward. I don’t care if Kishi makes what’s left a romantic series. There are much stupider things to argue and debate about. And here on this wiki, this is not one of them any more. There is a Naruto Couples Wiki for such counter-productiveness. So again, that’s quite enough.

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