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  • Retsu no Sho lists Kurenai as "Kurenai Sarutobi". Should she or should she not be moved to that name?

    The naming policy states only that a character's real name be preferred over aliases or titles. That's why it's "Minato Namikaze" instead of "Fourth Hokage" and "Obito Uchiha" instead of "Tobi".

    My own opinion is that, because "Kurenai Yūhi" and "Kurenai Sarutobi" are equally official and equally real, preference should be given to which she is better known by, which in this case would be "Kurenai Yūhi".

    The outcome of this discussion would also dictate likely future occurrences of "Hinata Uzumaki" and the like.

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    • You might not have a clue what you just started... :P Hopefully we don't see a big debate of "Sakura Uchiha" and "Hinata Uzumaki"

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    • WindStar7125 wrote: You might not have a clue what you just started... :P Hopefully we don't see a big debate of "Sakura Uchiha" and "Hinata Uzumaki"

      Those haven't been officially used in the series (or have they?), so they don't matter at the moment.

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    • In the case you gave, Kurenai Yuhi should be preferred, with the alternative name given in the infobox and lead. Something like:

      Kurenai Yuhi, alternatively referred to as Kurenai Sarutobi, is...

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    • Snapper2 wrote: The outcome of this discussion would also dictate likely future occurrences of "Hinata Uzumaki" and the like.

      Well, you did say this^^^, so I was assuming it did matter. However, back to the topic, I have no clue what we should do. So far, in some cases, we're literally doing everything the databooks say and blindly following them. If we continue doing so, then Kurenai Sarutobi should be the name. But you also have a good point Kurenai Yuhi is what she's better known by, and if we perform the rename, it could determine whether or not we use "Hinata Uzumaki" and "Sakura Uchiha." So this is a tough one for me.

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    • Maybe her infobox should just mention Kurenai Sarutobi. At the time of this post, that's the way it is. I don't see any other way to do that without starting a Sakura Uchiha/Hinata Uzumaki/Karui Akimichi/Temari Nara/Wait Sai doesn't have a last name debate.

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    • Why not just add the married names to their info boxes like I can see is already done with Kurenai??

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    • I'm conflicted.

      On the one hand, I want to say keep the names as they are now, but write them in the article as Hinata Uzumaki (nee Hyuga) or something like that.

      On the other hand however, I want to be as oppressive as I can to show just how fudged up blindly following the databooks are, so I want Sakura's article "Sakura Uchiha" and go the full nine yard.

      Honestly I'm quite torn.

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    • ItachiWasAHero wrote: Why not just add the married names to their info boxes like I can see is already done with Kurenai??

      Thing is, "Hinata Uzumaki" and "Sakura Uchiha" were never stated nor used. We didn't use "Indra Otsutsuki" until it was stated in an official movie poster (before then, we just referred to him as "Indra"). Kurenai Sarutobi was stated, therefore is used. The others weren't, however. But Sakura and Hinata married into a clan the same way Kurenai did.

      So @TU3, I'm totally with you on that one, I am conflicted and torn as well.

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    • I'd say go for the "nee" in the intro. But for now, let's just do it on Kurenai's article until we can legitimately confirm that everyone else changed their last names.

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    • TheUltimate3 wrote: On the one hand, I want to say keep the names as they are now, but write them in the article as Hinata Uzumaki (nee Hyuga) or something like that.

      I think that would be confusing, for the article title to be one name and the first line of the article to be a different name. SuperSajuuk's suggestion is a cleaner option for this.

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    • Sajuuk's suggestion makes sense. I think regardless of Sakura and Hinata marrying into another clan the same way Kurenai did, I'm leaning on "Sakura Uchiha" and "Hinata Uzumaki" not being used, because unlike "Kurenai Sarutobi" and "Indra/Asura Otsutsuki," they were never used nor stated. Even though "Otsutsuki" being Indra and Asura's last name was blatantly obvious, we didn't use their last name until it was stated. So like in Sakura's and Hinata's case, I'm leaning on doing the same and waiting until their last name changes are stated to "keep the consistency" as others call it.

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    • If we were to follow the en and jp wikipedia biography policy, we would use the most common name for the article title and the married name for the first mention with their maiden name included in the parenthesis following their name.

      So the article would be located at Kurenai Yūhi (Kurenai Sarutobi redirects to it) and the first paragraph should look like this:

      Kurenai Sarutobi (猿飛紅, Sarutobi Kureni, née Yūhi (夕日, Yūhi)) is a jōnin-level kunoichi from Konohagakure.

      Note that the translation template already includes the requisite formatting for the maiden name. The infobox would use her maiden name primarily, with Kurenai Yūhi (夕日紅, Yūhi Kurenai) listed in "other names."

      The body of articles should be treated chronologically and thus don't really need to be changed, unless the article or section specifically corresponds to a point in time after her name change. In such cases, using the phrase "having taken Asuma's name" should provide more than enough clarity if any is needed.

      Also, if these name changes are confirmed and someone wants to just copy and paste this:

      • Sakura Uchiha (うちはサクラ, Uchiha Sakura, née Haruno (春野, Haruno))
      • Hinata Uzumaki (うずまきヒナタ, Uzumaki Hinata, née Hyūga (日向, Hyūga))
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    • FF-Suzaku wrote: If we were to follow the en and jp wikipedia biography policy, we would use the most common name for the article title and the married name for the first mention with their maiden name included in the parenthesis following their name.

      So the article would be located at Kurenai Yūhi (Kurenai Sarutobi redirects to it) and the first paragraph should look like this:

      Kurenai Sarutobi (猿飛紅, Sarutobi Kureni, née Yūhi (夕日, Yūhi)) is a jōnin-level kunoichi from Konohagakure.

      Note that the translation template already includes the requisite formatting for the maiden name. The infobox would use her maiden name primarily, with Kurenai Yūhi (夕日紅, Yūhi Kurenai) listed in "other names."

      The body of articles should be treated chronologically and thus don't really need to be changed, unless the article or section specifically corresponds to a point in time after her name change. In such cases, using the phrase "having taken Asuma's name" should provide more than enough clarity if any is needed.

      Also, if these name changes are confirmed and someone wants to just copy and paste this:

      • Sakura Uchiha (うちはサクラ, Uchiha Sakura, née Haruno (春野, Haruno))
      • Hinata Uzumaki (うずまきヒナタ, Uzumaki Hinata, née Hyūga (日向, Hyūga))

      Karui Akimichi and Ino (Whatever Sai's last name is) should also be added, right? xDDD

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    • No. Name changes like "Hinata Uzumaki" and "Sakura Uchiha" will not be used until stated. No matter how obvious it was, we used "Indra" and "Asura" and didn't give them their last name "Otsutsuki" until it was stated for them, and we'll do the same here. Yes, I'm aware that Sakura and Hinata married into a clan like Kurenai did, but so did Mito Uzumaki when she married Hashirama Senju. We didn't change her last name, we just added her to the Senju clan. Before "Kurenai Sarutobi," we just added Kurenai to the Sarutobi clan, and we added Sakura to the Uchiha clan and Hinata to the Uzumaki clan. We didn't use "Kurenai Sarutobi" and "Indra Otsutsuki" until they were stated. So the same reasoning applies here. (And no, Naruto will not be added to the Hyuga clan, nor will Sai be added to the Yamanaka clan, women marry and either take the man's last name and/or marry into the man's clan, and not the other way around, like how Hashirama and Minato are not members of the Uzumaki clan).

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