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  • Guys I have a serious doubt. Did Sasuke really marry Sakura? If he did...why did he leave? Da heck is wrong with him?! And what was that picture of his former Taka all about?! This is confusing!!!

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    • Since i first saw Sarada i thought Karin was her mother and this just proves it even further. I think that karin is really the mother and something happened to her so Sasuke asked Sakura to raise his child.

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    • maybe he didn't want her to awaken her sharingang with him around or let her be cursed by the curse of hatred. that or he's just an asshole like always.

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    • Sarada stated that Sakura and Sasuke are actually married. We don't know yet why he left. The picture was supposed to seem like Sakura and Sasuke were standing next to each other, but that was obviously a fake. This just means that there doesn't seem to be a photo of Sasuke and Sakura. But yes, Sakura raising Karin's child doesn't make that much sense, except for when something happened to her, but we don't know yet for sure.

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    • Kishi has said in an interview that Sarada is Saskue and Sakura's daughter. I think Sarada having doubts about who her parents really are is for character development. Also Sakura is wearing the Uchiha crest on her back that would imply that she married into the clan, and seeing as Sasuke was the last of his clan she would of had to have married him. And seeing as there are rumors that Orochimaru is going to be the villain in the next movie it would make sense if Sasuke is trying to track him down.

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    • I dunno, I saw that Kishi comment too, you don't neccessarily need to be "blood" related to be considered a Mother to a child.

      I can see something like, Sasuke and his group were looking for Oro, Karin got killed and Sasuke took her to Sakura to raise. But so she isn't raised in ridicule (as you know how cruel kids can be, look at Naruto's own childhood) he married Sakura and Sakura is a nice enough person to raise someone elses kid, especially if that child was Sasukes.

      If there was a true marriage between the two, Sakura and Sasuke, you would think there would at least be one photo of the event. Maybe even the whole old generation knows, like how most knew that the 4th was Narutos father but no one ever said anything. The fact that Sakura created all those fake photos...screams that shes not the mother IMO.

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    • i just checking on boruto movie website and i check sarada picture plus there info for it the write said "サスケとサクラの子" i don't know what it's mean can someone translate it?

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    • Translated "Sasuke and Sakura of child"

      Still doesn't mean anything though, the site wouldn't reveal a secret like that would it?

      That would be like, Naruto "son of 4th hokage and..." before we knew for sure that he was indeed the son of the 4th.

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    • I just seriously doubt Sasuke would be unfaithful. All it would do is hurt his character development. Plus other than the glasses she looks more like Sakura than Karin.

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    • Is it really being unfaithful though, if he had the child before he married Sakura?

      He left to wander at the end of the manga, then came back a few years later and married Sakura didn't he?

      Love that Naruto is back.

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    • It just seems far more likely to me that he married Sakura, they conceived a child shortly after the marriage, said child was Sarada and shortly after she was born he left for reasons unknown at this time. We will probably find out next week as it looks like it will focus on Sasuke and his return to the village.

      Japan is also a nation steeped in tradition. One of said traditions is that you don't have kids till your married. Only 3% of children are born out of wedlock (this is one of the reasons why their having a population problem). So it would make more sense for him to marry Sakura and have a child by her, rather than him have a illegitimate child.

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    • Hmmm..True. I guess we'll find out.

      I still don't get why Sakura would even keep that picture, or try to hide the other 2 in the pic. Why not just leave it, "who are those people mom?" - "you're fathers old teammates."

      Case closed, but she tried to hide them...just makes me think there is more to it.

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    • Chezmark wrote: Hmmm..True. I guess we'll find out.

      I still don't get why Sakura would even keep that picture, or try to hide the other 2 in the pic. Why not just leave it, "who are those people mom?" - "you're fathers old teammates."

      Case closed, but she tried to hide them...just makes me think there is more to it.

      The better question is why didn't Sakura just cut out Karin and Suigestsu from the picture?

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    • BigBadBruin343 wrote:

      Chezmark wrote: Hmmm..True. I guess we'll find out.

      I still don't get why Sakura would even keep that picture, or try to hide the other 2 in the pic. Why not just leave it, "who are those people mom?" - "you're fathers old teammates."

      Case closed, but she tried to hide them...just makes me think there is more to it.

      The better question is why didn't Sakura just cut out Karin and Suigestsu from the picture?

      I mean if it was a big deal you think she would do a better job of hiding it.

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    • he married her, and since the sharingan lets the user feel "more" than others he wouldnt betray her, afterall this was the (to most parts) sole reason why bullsh*t happened in the real series anyway :)

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    • BigBadBruin343 wrote: I mean if it was a big deal you think she would do a better job of hiding it.

      Ya true lol, still why hide it at all? But yeah, she could have cut them out rather then just hiding them behind other photos.

      I hope we're left hanging for a bit though, I like the suspense. Curious still though to see what happened to Karin. Maybe she's still following Sasuke and that was the sound he heard back in chap 700?

      Found this thread where this discussion is pretty rampant. Most seem to still be split between Sakura and Karin.

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    • Chezmark, please do not double/triple post. If your comment is the latest one, remember to click the edit button on it and add to it rather than make consecutive comments within short periods of time without waiting for others to respond.

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    • Chezmark wrote:

      BigBadBruin343 wrote: I mean if it was a big deal you think she would do a better job of hiding it.

      Ya true lol, still why hide it at all? But yeah, she could have cut them out rather then just hiding them behind other photos.

      I hope we're left hanging for a bit though, I like the suspense. Curious still though to see what happened to Karin. Maybe she's still following Sasuke and that was the sound he heard back in chap 700?

      Found this thread where this discussion is pretty rampant. Most seem to still be split between Sakura and Karin.

      I just figured it out! It's a plot device!

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    • Or this could be a possible Red Herring

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    • I would guess that if Sakura is the biological mother, Kishimoto is trying to make a joke out of the fact that many people noticed that Sarada does in fact look like Karin. The picture of Team Taka would then be just a normal picture Sakura spontaneously decided to use because she doesn't have another photo of Sasuke or something like that.

      If Karin is the biological mother, I would guess that Karin was formerly in a relationship with Sasuke but then died, or that she was in a relationship with him at some point and didn't see herself in the position to raise her child, which would make sense, since she's basically a criminal with no real home village.

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    • Eclipse Ondas wrote: Or this could be a possible Red Herring

      Very likely, probably everything come clear in next chapter. Many times something in Naruto looked like a sure thing only to be proven otherwise.

      The only thing that maybe makes SasuSaku marriage doubtful is lack of wedding photo considering Naruto and Hinata have one (shown at the end of The Last).

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    • Bambusek wrote:

      Eclipse Ondas wrote: Or this could be a possible Red Herring

      Very likely, probably everything come clear in next chapter. Many times something in Naruto looked like a sure thing only to be proven otherwise.

      The only thing that maybe makes SasuSaku marriage doubtful is lack of wedding photo considering Naruto and Hinata have one (shown at the end of The Last).

      If Sasuke and Sakura are not married than why does she wear the Uchiha crest on her back?

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    • BigBadBruin343 wrote:

      Bambusek wrote:

      Eclipse Ondas wrote: Or this could be a possible Red Herring

      Very likely, probably everything come clear in next chapter. Many times something in Naruto looked like a sure thing only to be proven otherwise.

      The only thing that maybe makes SasuSaku marriage doubtful is lack of wedding photo considering Naruto and Hinata have one (shown at the end of The Last).

      If Sasuke and Sakura are not married than why does she wear the Uchiha crest on her back?

      All part of the act maybe?

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    • BigBadBruin343 wrote: If Sasuke and Sakura are not married than why does she wear the Uchiha crest on her back?

      I'm not saying they are not married, I' m saying that lack of wedding photo is the only thing that could make their marriage doubtful. Personally I think they are married couple, especially that Sarada uses Uchiha name.

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    • Sasuke surely wasn't in any relationship with Karin, because of his scene with Sakura in chapter 699. What, he promised Sakura he will return for her and than start relationship with Karin? that's not what Kishimoto was telling about Uchiha and how they feel in the manga. What I think is happening is that Sarada is so uncertain about her parents because Sasuke isn't there, that she even starts to have doubts if Sakura is her mother. But she is, because that would be totally without any sense if she wouldn't. Sarada's face is practically Sakura's face with Sasuke's color scheme.

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    • She could be an Orochimaru experiment (clone). Either way, I'm just glad the manga's back and this is an interesting development even if it's proven that Sakura is her birth mother. Just try to enjoy the ride, folks.

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    • Brzoskwinia wrote: Sasuke surely wasn't in any relationship with Karin, because of his scene with Sakura in chapter 699. What, he promised Sakura he will return for her and than start relationship with Karin? that's not what Kishimoto was telling about Uchiha and how they feel in the manga. What I think is happening is that Sarada is so uncertain about her parents because Sasuke isn't there, that she even starts to have doubts if Sakura is her mother. But she is, because that would be totally without any sense if she wouldn't. Sarada's face is practically Sakura's face with Sasuke's color scheme.

      Yeah that's my thinking as well. She's a kid that is angry at her parents. One of whom she's never met and the other doesn't talk much about the father she's never known.

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    • I thought Sasuke was trying to end the curse of hatred, why did he abandon his daughter with a person, that might not even be her biological mother, for over 10 years? he couldn't even write a letter, send a photo? That is the type of things that makes uchihas go crazy, Sarada could become the next Obito.

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    • Sarada looks like Sarada.. which Karin and Sakura look very similar too. Until the manga confirms or destroys her suspicions then we can't change anything.

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    • An Uchiha being around their child doesn't make or break the curse of Hatred. Sasuke broke that at the end of 699.

      I read in an interview with Kishi that Sasuke travels around to find info about Kaguya. I have to double check though so don't take my word on it.

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    • Though this is all a bit suspicious, I don't think Karin will turn out as Sarada's mother. I think Kishi is just trolling us because of the fan theory of Karin being her mother and once Sasuke actually shows up, he'll confirm that Sakura is her mother and tell us what happened to Taka. While we're on the topic, though, how many chapters is the gaiden supposed to have?

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    • QueenCeline wrote: Though this is all a bit suspicious, I don't think Karin will turn out as Sarada's mother. I think Kishi is just trolling us because of the fan theory of Karin being her mother and once Sasuke actually shows up, he'll confirm that Sakura is her mother and tell us what happened to Taka. While we're on the topic, though, how many chapters is the gaiden supposed to have?

      10 chapters.

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    • QueenCeline wrote: Though this is all a bit suspicious, I don't think Karin will turn out as Sarada's mother. I think Kishi is just trolling us because of the fan theory of Karin being her mother and once Sasuke actually shows up, he'll confirm that Sakura is her mother and tell us what happened to Taka. While we're on the topic, though, how many chapters is the gaiden supposed to have?

      I wouldn't necessarily say trolling. It's just an interesting conflict for one of the new central characters. I can't wait to see this animated, assuming it carries over to the movie. Or maybe we'll get a mid-arc in between Kaguya and the final fight. They got a habit of adding arcs in the middle of ongoing arcs.

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    • Nototherbutme wrote: I thought Sasuke was trying to end the curse of hatred, why did he abandon his daughter with a person, that might not even be her biological mother, for over 10 years? he couldn't even write a letter, send a photo? That is the type of things that makes uchihas go crazy, Sarada could become the next Obito.

      I agree, especially after the Second Hokage's explanation to Sasuke on how the Uchiha love more deeply than any other clan. Yet Sasuke abandons his own family, and we see the sad result. If the Curse of Hatred is gone, it's been replaced by the Curse of Sasuke. I'm convinced that Sasuke purposely tortures the people close to him, I just can't decide why. And when did Sakura gain this reputation for fainting frequently that Shizune mentions? Is that suggesting that she always overdoes it, that she's not using the 100 jutsu properly, or that her skills have deteriorated due to Sasuke withdrawal?

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    • I feel like this is How Sakura really feels about Sasuke

      https://play.spotify.com/track/2wBCrtJS3E3TimRZ5MElTI

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    • Dap00 wrote:

      Nototherbutme wrote: I thought Sasuke was trying to end the curse of hatred, why did he abandon his daughter with a person, that might not even be her biological mother, for over 10 years? he couldn't even write a letter, send a photo? That is the type of things that makes uchihas go crazy, Sarada could become the next Obito.

      I agree, especially after the Second Hokage's explanation to Sasuke on how the Uchiha love more deeply than any other clan. Yet Sasuke abandons his own family, and we see the sad result. If the Curse of Hatred is gone, it's been replaced by the Curse of Sasuke. I'm convinced that Sasuke purposely tortures the people close to him, I just can't decide why. And when did Sakura gain this reputation for fainting frequently that Shizune mentions? Is that suggesting that she always overdoes it, that she's not using the 100 jutsu properly, or that her skills have deteriorated due to Sasuke withdrawal?

      In regards to the fainting thing, I think Shizune is implying that this isn't the first time she's destroyed her own home. And I don't blame her for fainting, I mean she had just taken out a loan. And if banks in the Naruto Universe are anything like they are in the real world then she's in trouble.

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    • Dap: Sasuke isnt as big a douche as you make him out to be. Whatever he is doing something important. At worst Sarada is gonna have daddy issues. Naruto grew up with no parents and he was fine. Sasuke isn't "torturing" anybody.

      Sasuke also isn't cocaine. No such thing as "Sasuke withdrawl"

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    • http://i.imgur.com/lwScrG6.jpg chcek it out peeps, the Toneri look alike is Boruto's teammate along with Sarada

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    • QuakingStar wrote: http://i.imgur.com/lwScrG6.jpg chcek it out peeps, the Toneri look alike is Boruto's teammate along with Sarada

      can you explain to us please included the brat who look like toneri?

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    • Apparently the Toneri look alike is named Mitsuki.. that's all I know. I can't translate this, somebody else managed to translate his name and thats it

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    • QuakingStar wrote: Apparently the Toneri look alike is named Mitsuki.. that's all I know. I can't translate this, somebody else managed to translate his name and thats it

      i see. by the way do you get that picture from reddit?

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    • wait a sec.if mitsuki is toneri son and mitsuki one team with boruto and sarada as new team 7 under sasuke mentorship, doesn't mean team 7 undoutbtely strongest genin in konoha history?

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    • No proof that he has any connection to Toneri at all.

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    • QuakingStar wrote: No proof that he has any connection to Toneri at all.

      yeah i know that too. i'm really hope he toneri son

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    • They are not married. There is a complete lack of photos of post-war Sasuke and he hasn't made contact with them in 12 years in an age with smartphones. I doubt he even knows of Sarada's existence.

      YukiWarZone wrote: Sarada stated that Sakura and Sasuke are actually married. We don't know yet why he left. The picture was supposed to seem like Sakura and Sasuke were standing next to each other, but that was obviously a fake. This just means that there doesn't seem to be a photo of Sasuke and Sakura. But yes, Sakura raising Karin's child doesn't make that much sense, except for when something happened to her, but we don't know yet for sure.

      You need to thread the chapter.

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    • Honestly where is the proof she is 12? I would love someone to link me to it.

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    • QuakingStar wrote: Honestly where is the proof she is 12? I would love someone to link me to it.

      They're about to graduate from the academy. That means they're about 12-13 years old.

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    • No it doesn't. That's your assumption based on the fact that only Naruto's generation were all 12 and graduated at the same time. Guess how old Obito was at graduation? 9. Kakashi? 5. Gai? 7. Itachi? 7. Minato? 10.

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    • QuakingStar wrote: No it doesn't. That's your assumption based on the fact that only Naruto's generation were all 12 and graduated at the same time. Guess how old Obito was at graduation? 9. Kakashi? 5. Gai? 7. Itachi? 7. Minato? 10.

      well, but it can easily be guessed:

      first, since naruto and sasuke came out with 12, it would increase the chance of bolt/sarda also graduating with 12, simply because the author mostlikley makes some "comparisons" to the parents :)

      second, sasuke and naruto are noticeable older, naruto looks like he easily reached 30 years, the same with the whole cast :D

      thid, 5-11 is to short, the kids are intelligent but not genius's like the ones you mentiond, at least they dont give the feeling of "genius's" ^_^

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    • Shikamaru said that Boruto is the same age as Naruto when the latter did his pranks. So Boruto's 12.

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    • Seelentau wrote: Shikamaru said that Boruto is the same age as Naruto when the latter did his pranks. So Boruto's 12.

      Does that make all 6 of them (Ino-Shika-Cho + Team Boruto) 12 years of age?

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    • Most likely.

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    • They must have released ninja Viagra that year or something.

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    • BigBadBruin343 wrote:

      Bambusek wrote:

      Eclipse Ondas wrote: Or this could be a possible Red Herring

      Very likely, probably everything come clear in next chapter. Many times something in Naruto looked like a sure thing only to be proven otherwise.

      The only thing that maybe makes SasuSaku marriage doubtful is lack of wedding photo considering Naruto and Hinata have one (shown at the end of The Last).

      If Sasuke and Sakura are not married than why does she wear the Uchiha crest on her back?

      Many people in the village wear the Uzumaki crest. Are they married to Naruto?

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    • ^its really scary that people think like that...

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    • Man of Sin wrote:

      BigBadBruin343 wrote:

      Bambusek wrote:

      Eclipse Ondas wrote: Or this could be a possible Red Herring

      Very likely, probably everything come clear in next chapter. Many times something in Naruto looked like a sure thing only to be proven otherwise.

      The only thing that maybe makes SasuSaku marriage doubtful is lack of wedding photo considering Naruto and Hinata have one (shown at the end of The Last).

      If Sasuke and Sakura are not married than why does she wear the Uchiha crest on her back?

      Many people in the village wear the Uzumaki crest. Are they married to Naruto?

      If you're referring to the village symbol, that's not the Uzuamki Clan symbol; they're similar but not the same. Sakura wearing the Uchiha Clan symbol could be a sign she is married to Sasuke, though I'll grant that it's hardly absolute proof especially with how suspicious she's acting

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    • Umm it is the Uzumaki symbol, Kushina says so in the chapter she meets Naruto. It's a symbol of the everlasting friendship between Hidden Eddie and Konoha even after Eddie Villages destruction.

      @Seelentau So that confirms that at the very least its been 12 years 9 months(9 months pregnancy counts) since Naruto and Hinata married?

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    • The swirl pattern on the clothes is in honor of the Eddie villages BUT the Uchiha haven't received this honor. Only Uchiha where the Uchiha crest.

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    • LegionZero wrote: The swirl pattern on the clothes is in honor of the Eddie villages BUT the Uchiha haven't received this honor. Only Uchiha where the Uchiha crest.

      which could have been changed anytime, unbeknownst to us.

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    • OtsutsukiKing wrote:

      QuakingStar wrote: No proof that he has any connection to Toneri at all.

      yeah i know that too. i'm really hope he toneri son

      That would be a interesting twist, but unlikely. Toneri is supposedly the last of the Otsutsuki Clan, so having a son wouldn't make sense. Plus, that would leave questions like where was he during the Last, who is his mother, how did he end up in Konoha, etc.

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    • Omojuze wrote:

      LegionZero wrote: The swirl pattern on the clothes is in honor of the Eddie villages BUT the Uchiha haven't received this honor. Only Uchiha where the Uchiha crest.

      which could have been changed anytime, unbeknownst to us.

      Have you ever seen a non Uchiha wear the Uchiha crest? The Uchiha put great emphasis on the pride of the clan so it's unlikely a non Uchiha would be allowed to wear their clan's crest. The only reason Sakura can wear it is because she married into the clan.

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    • Alsoooo, if the Uchiha were now honored into clothing we would see it on ither as well.

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    • Brzoskwinia wrote: 10 chapters.

      Is that confirmed??

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    • When's the next chapter coming out?

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    • QueenCeline wrote: When's the next chapter coming out?

      this wek is golden week so it will come out next week, afterall one piece didnt come out either :( or maybe they dont come out on the same day?

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    • Anime came out for Naruto even though it's Golden Week

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    • Umishiru wrote: They must have released ninja Viagra that year or something.

      Or like the baby boomers after World War II.

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    • Kishimoto says a lot of things, and honestly, with that terrible spring he did on Naruto, which I think is terrible because Hinata needs better than someone who ignored her and called her weird ever since they were kids, I think Karin is the mother, Sarada looks nothing like Sakura at all.

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    • DreamingAwayByTheSea wrote: Kishimoto says a lot of things, and honestly, with that terrible spring he did on Naruto, which I think is terrible because Hinata needs better than someone who ignored her and called her weird ever since they were kids, I think Karin is the mother, Sarada looks nothing like Sakura at all.

      Oh, Sakura is definitely Sarada's mother. She inherited the shape of both her eyes and face, and her hairstyle looks a lot like Mebuki's (Sakura's mom) Karin being Sarada's mother, for the hundredth time, doesn't make any sense.

      Just like Mitsuki had told her, questioning their identity and self-worth is common for girls their age and is referred to as their "tragic heroine syndrome". That's a hint that Sarada was just being silly of thinking Sakura isn't her mother.

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    • All I know is that when this is over, there will be one group pointing fingers at the other and in their best Nelson Muntz voice will utter the iconic words... "ha ha!"

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    • SweetNicole12 wrote:

      DreamingAwayByTheSea wrote: Kishimoto says a lot of things, and honestly, with that terrible spring he did on Naruto, which I think is terrible because Hinata needs better than someone who ignored her and called her weird ever since they were kids, I think Karin is the mother, Sarada looks nothing like Sakura at all.

      Oh, Sakura is definitely Sarada's mother. She inherited the shape of both her eyes and face, and her hairstyle looks a lot like Mebuki's (Sakura's mom) Karin being Sarada's mother, for the hundredth time, doesn't make any sense.

      Just like Mitsuki had told her, questioning their identity and self-worth is common for girls their age and is referred to as their "tragic heroine syndrome". That's a hint that Sarada was just being silly of thinking Sakura isn't her mother.

      I agree with you that questioning of identity and self-esteem is common for girls their age. That's what makes Sarada simply ridiculous to think Sakura is not his mother. may distress 'child' who lived in his parents since she was born (Sasuke) .Hence she did not know the information, the origin of her that until now the information that makes it chaotic.

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    • Oh, Sakura is definitely Sarada's mother. She inherited the shape of both her eyes and face, and her hairstyle looks a lot like Mebuki's (Sakura's mom) Karin being Sarada's mother, for the hundredth time, doesn't make any sense.

      Just like Mitsuki had told her, questioning their identity and self-worth is common for girls their age and is referred to as their "tragic heroine syndrome". That's a hint that Sarada was just being silly of thinking Sakura isn't her mother.

      You can turn it any way you like, but when it comes to visible genetic appearance, Sarada looks absolutely nothing like Sakura and couldn't look more like Karin. I'm going to have to accuse you of being extremely biased if you truly argument with Sarada looking anything like Sakura and not like Karin. Kishimoto may have said that he has given Sarada a certain touch like Sakura, but that still means nothing. Certainly he gave other characters a touch of different and unrelated characters as well.

      Now I'm not saying Sakura is not the mother. But what I am saying is that at this point, there is absolutely nothing that definitely disproves a genetic relationship between Sarada and either of the two potential mothers. Karin being the mother would make in many aspects a lot of sense. Sasuke was her love interest, she is female while Sasuke is male, she wasn't said to be infertile or deceased, she looks very much like Sarada, there is some connection between them etc.. Same goes for Sakura. Sasuke was her love interest too, she is also female, she's alive and not said to be infertile either, she raised Sarada, she's married to Sasuke etc.. Both potential mothers can very well be it.

      You can have your own theory and wishes regarding this. Trying to disprove the possibility of either of the two being the biological mother, however, is something that can't be done.

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    • Except Sasuke was like, asexual until after 699, and from what we know traveled alone after.

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    • SweetNicole12 wrote:

      DreamingAwayByTheSea wrote: Kishimoto says a lot of things, and honestly, with that terrible spring he did on Naruto, which I think is terrible because Hinata needs better than someone who ignored her and called her weird ever since they were kids, I think Karin is the mother, Sarada looks nothing like Sakura at all.

      Oh, Sakura is definitely Sarada's mother. She inherited the shape of both her eyes and face, and her hairstyle looks a lot like Mebuki's (Sakura's mom) Karin being Sarada's mother, for the hundredth time, doesn't make any sense.

      Just like Mitsuki had told her, questioning their identity and self-worth is common for girls their age and is referred to as their "tragic heroine syndrome". That's a hint that Sarada was just being silly of thinking Sakura isn't her mother.

      Of course Sarada is Sakura's biological daughter. Even if SweetNicole12 already pointed out some strong arguments, she inspired me and made me remember even more significant facts.

      First of all, she has got the nails of Sakura's father. (refer for instance to episode 271 of Naruto Shippuuden or Road to Ninja : Naruto the Movie) Which establishes that he is indeed Sarada's grandfather.

      Furthermore, Sarada actually lives in Sakura's house, so there is no doubt she is Sakura's biological daughter. Not to mention that the both of them are friends with Shizune, and only a biological link can do such miracles.

      Finally, please notice that Sarada doesn't have the same hair as Karin at all, she doesn't have the same glasses and the same way to hold it, or the same behavior... And of course you all know it's impossible that Karin could ever sleep with Sasuke.

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    • The unnecessary sarcasm is strong in this one.

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    • Okay, hold up a second...

      Though the glasses and picture are one thing, but riddle me this: Why would Sasuke choose Sakura to take care of his child when anyone else he knew; like Kakashi, could take care of her, like what Iruka did for Naruto?

      I'm sure that Sakura and Sasuke are together but there was a picture maybe because he kept it with him! And also, maybe Kishimoto-sama did that to emphasize that Orochimaru was still alive...

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    • Yamanaka Flower14 wrote: Though the glasses and picture are one thing, but riddle me this: Why would Sasuke choose Sakura to take care of his child when anyone else he knew; like Kakashi, could take care of her, like what Iruka did for Naruto?

      becasue woman can (generally)watch better over a child than man?

      or maybe because he knows how kakashis previous "precious"/"protected" comrades ended :D

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    • Sasuke has had feelings for Sakura since the end of the war as hinted how he almost cried, then he knocked her out with Genjutsu when she confessed to him genuinely. Of course he would trust her with his child, even if it wasn't hers.

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    • @sin: that is sexist and based in no real fact

      @quake:still doesnt change the fact that he didn't have much feeling for Karin

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    • LegionZero wrote:

      @sin: that is sexist and based in no real fact

      i wasnt really trying to sound like that, i only answered to yamanakas question about "why sakura instead of kakashi" XD

      LegionZero wrote: @quake:still doesnt change the fact that he didn't have much feeling for Karin

      im not really for "pro-karin" but to be fair: feelings arent absolute, they can change in even one day, so, the fact that he didnt like her pre-timeskip means little, he simply could have gained this feelings after some off-screen time ^_^

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    • No evidence to suggest he traveled with Taka anymore. Even if Sasuke was forgiven for the things he did, they were still Orochimaru/Akatsuki associates. Sasuke couldnt afford to be around them comsidering his shaky relations with the Leaf

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    • LegionZero wrote: No evidence to suggest he traveled with Taka anymore. Even if Sasuke was forgiven for the things he did, they were still Orochimaru/Akatsuki associates. Sasuke couldnt afford to be around them comsidering his shaky relations with the Leaf

      He's right.. Remember in The Last, Sasuke was shown traveling ALONE and returned to the Konoha to protect it ALONE. Meaning, he had no further contacts with Karin, Suigetsu or Jugo. That's as far as we know.. We have to wait for the story to evolve and reveal the truth about Sarada and, hopefully, Chouchou..

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    • LegionZero wrote: No evidence to suggest he traveled with Taka anymore. Even if Sasuke was forgiven for the things he did, they were still Orochimaru/Akatsuki associates. Sasuke couldnt afford to be around them comsidering his shaky relations with the Leaf

      and no evidence that he didnt meet them, i guess that the heavily-attached-karin wouldnt simply vanish if sasuke was wandering around the world :) than we have suigetsu and of course jugo, he, exspecially he would follow sasuke everywhere,

      only because we didnt see them together doesnt mean they never met again, (im not saying they did, only that the chances are equal to either side),

      btw, i doubt that sasuke would care about his "look" in the village, i doubt he had any realition to anyone from konoha :/ of course except for his "team" :D

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    • LegionZero wrote: @sin: that is sexist and based in no real fact

      @quake:still doesnt change the fact that he didn't have much feeling for Karin

      Honestly, he didn't seem to care more about Sakura than he cared about Karin. Before he switched to Orochimaru's side, he wasn't any nicer to Sakura than he was to Karin when he met her. And when he was with Taka, he also risked his life to save Karin although Jugo suggested not to do so. Something he did for Sakura too. He also thanked Karin for saving him, just like he thanked Sakura. And he also tried to kill Karin, just like he tried to kill Sakura. All those things have nothing to do with romantic feelings. He has shown to at least care a bit about both of them at some point, but before the final fight, he neither seemed to have romantic feelings for Sakura, nor did he seem to have those for Karin. That changed after his fight with Naruto, when he treated Sakura nicely again because he changed. But who says he wouldn't have treated Karin the same way after this change? We never saw Karin interacting with Sasuke after the war.

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    • Sakura is her mother and Sasuke is her father. It could be one of those things where something may have happened during her birth a la Kushina when Naruto was born. The glasses could be a mere coincidence though. I don't think Kishimoto going to pull some BS out the hat as far as Orochimaru taking the DNA of Sasuke, Karin, And Sakura and creating Sarada.

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    • DaisukeDivine wrote: The glasses could be a mere coincidence though.

      i and my oldest brother need glasses. The other 2 don't. Yet they're actually my brothers. Glasses or not is not really an argument for parentage. Also, mature Sasuke looks a LOT like Orochimaru, so i guess Sadara can look like Karin

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    • One more thing. Sarada inherited Sakura's catchphrase, "Shannaro!" and that's enough said.

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    • I've had many theories on this matter and honestly I think ANYTHING can happen at this point.

      Theory 1) Sarada is the love child of Sasuke and Karin. Karin died and when Sasuke and Sakura got "together". Theory 2) Sarada is an experiment of Orochimaru's and BIOLOGICALLY she's Karin and Sasuke's. That would explain all the secrecy revolving Sarada's birth and why everyone is so reluctant to talk about it. And that would have nothing to do with the how or whys of Sasuke and Sakura's relationship. OR Theory 3) She's actually Sasuke and Sakura's kid.

      Now, before you all jump down my throat I'll give my retorts to your answers. Sasuke and Sakura could be married... and she could be taking care of Sarada cuz overall, she is still Sasuke's and an Uchiha. And if she loves Sasuke she would do this for him. I've believed since the epilogue first came out that Sarada wasn't Sakura's... She looks too much like Karin. The glasses, the stalkerish attitude, her looks... ALL Karin. For those of you who say Sarada having Sakura's attitude (saying SHANNARO! and all that)... she has been RAISED by Sakura. So of COURSE she's going to have some of her quirks. It's bound to happen... The whole, "Kishi (or his assistant) confirmed that Sakura was Sarada's mother" bit, Sakura IS for all intents and purposes, Sarada's mother. Sakura has raised Sarada, Sarada see's her as her mother. They don't have to be biologically connected for them to be mother and daughter. Anyway, I really want to find out what why Sasuke has been away for all this time and his negelect towrd his "family". (I seriously don't see him doing that considering he lost his family and felt alone... but whatever) Also, why all the secrecy revolving Sarada. I'm definitely interested and hope that she's not Sakura's and that everything is as screwed up as it seems. As mean as that sounds, I will never like SasuxSaku. BUT thats off topic.

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    • And even Naruto calling Sarada out as Sakura's spitting image is just not enough for some loonies to get out off their delusional concepts. Anyways, guys, really? *sighs* I give up...

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    • I'm pretty certain Naruto said the way she acts reminds him of Sakura, not that she is the spitting image of her. Behaviour of this degree of prejudice isn't really going to help your cause.

      But of course acting like the woman who raised you and ending up adopting words like "Shannaro" can exclusively be the result of a biological relationship, right?

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    • Matako wrote: I'm pretty certain Naruto said the way she acts reminds him of Sakura, not that she is the spitting image of her. Behaviour of this degree of prejudice isn't really going to help your cause.

      But of course acting like the woman who raised you and ending up adopting words like "Shannaro" can exclusively be the result of a biological relationship, right?

      Yeah, that's what he said. Naruto said she looks like Sasuke, especially around the eyes and probably even more-so with the sharingan. Then he said that she acts like Sakura and that Sarada's probably scary when she's angry just like her. It can be exclusively biological but then it can be argued that it doesn't have to be. Children mimic the people who raise them. Not ALL the time yes, but it doesn't have to be just biological. I have a friend who has raised a child from birth as his own and they're not biologically related. But his kid acts EXACTLY like him. In series we have Naruto inheriting his excited "DATTEBAYO" from his mom who used to say "DATTEBANE" when she got excited. YES I'M AWARE THIS POINT DOESN'T HELP MY CASE, but I've given two examples of both possibilities. When children learn to speak, they adapt to the way they've been taught, and also mimic.

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    • EriHonjo wrote: Yeah, that's what he said. Naruto said she looks like Sasuke, especially around the eyes and probably even more-so with the sharingan. Then he said that she acts like Sakura and that Sarada's probably scary when she's angry just like her. It can be exclusively biological but then it can be argued that it doesn't have to be. Children mimic the people who raise them. Not ALL the time yes, but it doesn't have to be just biological. I have a friend who has raised a child from birth as his own and they're not biologically related. But his kid acts EXACTLY like him. In series we have Naruto inheriting his excited "DATTEBAYO" from his mom who used to say "DATTEBANE" when she got excited. YES I'M AWARE THIS POINT DOESN'T HELP MY CASE, but I've given two examples of both possibilities. When children learn to speak, they adapt to the way they've been taught, and also mimic.

      Actually I was being ironic. Of course this has absolutely nothing to do with a biological relationship. That would absolutely defy the principles of naturalism. If you're being raised by someone with the same gender, you'll eventually share personality traits with them. That has nothing to do with genetics. It's never related to biology. This goes for both biological and adopted children. It proves absolutely nothing. Same goes with the Shannaro. While in the Naruto world, how you've nicely explained already, it is somehow possible to inherit such things, it's just as likely that Sarada uses this word because she was raised by someone who uses it constantly. My entire point is that there is absolutely nothing that proves a genetic relationship between either Sarada and Sakura or Sarada and Karin. Some fans are just... and I'm sorry I have to use such an extreme word, but obsessed with pairings. Therefore I'm merely criticizing the highly unprofessional prejudice that comes with their judgement.

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    • Thekillman wrote:

      DaisukeDivine wrote: The glasses could be a mere coincidence though.

      i and my oldest brother need glasses. The other 2 don't. Yet they're actually my brothers. Glasses or not is not really an argument for parentage. Also, mature Sasuke looks a LOT like Orochimaru, so i guess Sadara can look like Karin

      I agree it adds a little intrigue but other then that we know what the deal is. It's good intrigue and I like the dynamic between Naruto and the kids. Will be interesting to see if the kids mesh well as a unit collectively as their parents did.

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    • Geezzz dont you think talking about genetics and biological relationships is a bit odd in here? I mean, its fantasy peeps, Kishi can do literally ANYTHING when drawing. Genetics cant prove anything here because he draws his characters as he likes. We should focus more on the story.. like even when Sasuke didnt show any kind of romantic interest in any of them, in the end he gave Sakura the forehead poke (which is like the biggest love or affection demonstration he can think of because of Itachi) and a "I'll be back soon". And those panels on chapter 700+4 where naruto tells Sarada how much alike she is to Sasuke and Sakura its almost Kishi saying "cool it down people, SasuSaku SasuKarin inst the main plot in here, drop it already".

      Something more related to the disscussion topic, we already know he left on missions, probably related to Konoha's safety or even his daughter's. I do think that after the hell he went through, it would be probably unrealistic or out-of-character for him to be the perfect happy daddy. Although sad, this is the most natural course things would go. But I believe he loves her (we will have to wait and see what happens in 700+5) and his absence is somehow related to his daughter. I mean, he went on his redemption journey after all and came back (for a while), so he must feel he has atoned for his sins. We should give him a shot anyway. Cant wait for chapter 5!!!

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    • Matako wrote:

      LegionZero wrote: @sin: that is sexist and based in no real fact

      @quake:still doesnt change the fact that he didn't have much feeling for Karin

      Honestly, he didn't seem to care more about Sakura than he cared about Karin. Before he switched to Orochimaru's side, he wasn't any nicer to Sakura than he was to Karin when he met her. And when he was with Taka, he also risked his life to save Karin although Jugo suggested not to do so. Something he did for Sakura too. He also thanked Karin for saving him, just like he thanked Sakura. And he also tried to kill Karin, just like he tried to kill Sakura. All those things have nothing to do with romantic feelings. He has shown to at least care a bit about both of them at some point, but before the final fight, he neither seemed to have romantic feelings for Sakura, nor did he seem to have those for Karin. That changed after his fight with Naruto, when he treated Sakura nicely again because he changed. But who says he wouldn't have treated Karin the same way after this change? We never saw Karin interacting with Sasuke after the war.

      Note: He DOES care about Sakura in some way more than he does about Karin. Remember when they were still team mates during the battle with Gaara, Sakura was hurt and he asked Naruto to take Sakura away from there and he didn't want to lose those precious to him. Translation: Even if it's in the view of friendship, Sasuke has a slight soft side for Sakura. To even place her in a genjutsu so that she wouldn't follow him and Naruto to their final battle field just strengthens that thought..

      Now regarding the chances of Karin and Sasuke seeing each other but we didn't, how can this be said when we don't even know what happened between Shippuden and the spin-off except for the final movie, but it still reveals nothing about what happened to Karin, Suigetsu, Juugo, Kabuto and Orochimaru! So we can never really say what happened and we have to wait for the continuation of the spin-off

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    • Can this discussion be closed already?! The immorality and stupidity is getting strong here!

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    • They are most likely not married. Sakura never even send Sasuke a photo of Sarada.

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    • Man of Sin wrote: They are most likely not married. Sakura never even send Sasuke a photo of Sarada.

      and that would ake the whole "sakura uchiha"-thing is fake, i highly doubt that kishi would go that route :)

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    • Note: He DOES care about Sakura in some way more than he does about Karin. Remember when they were still team mates during the battle with Gaara, Sakura was hurt and he asked Naruto to take Sakura away from there and he didn't want to lose those precious to him. Translation: Even if it's in the view of friendship, Sasuke has a slight soft side for Sakura. To even place her in a genjutsu so that she wouldn't follow him and Naruto to their final battle field just strengthens that thought..

      Now regarding the chances of Karin and Sasuke seeing each other but we didn't, how can this be said when we don't even know what happened between Shippuden and the spin-off except for the final movie, but it still reveals nothing about what happened to Karin, Suigetsu, Juugo, Kabuto and Orochimaru! So we can never really say what happened and we have to wait for the continuation of the spin-off

      I must say, he doesn't. What he has done for Sakura he has also done for Karin. He also risked his life to save her from the Amaterasu and asked Jugo to grab her and get her away from the danger zone. That's exactly the same, and that has nothing to do with romantic feelings. It's just the bond between comrades he equally shared with Sakura and Karin. He also didn't want to endanger Karin when they were about to free Jugo, and decided to open the door to his cell instead of Karin. That is absolutely the same.

      Regarding the second part of your comment, this is actually what I'm trying to say. I'm criticizing those who try to eliminate chances of either being the biological mother, as both of them could very well be it and there is no fact that definitely indicates otherwise.

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    • Sasuke almost killed Karin once. Didn't give a damn, ran the blade straight through her.

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    • Matako wrote: I'm pretty certain Naruto said the way she acts reminds him of Sakura, not that she is the spitting image of her. Behaviour of this degree of prejudice isn't really going to help your cause.

      But of course acting like the woman who raised you and ending up adopting words like "Shannaro" can exclusively be the result of a biological relationship, right?

      mangastream translated that sarada is the spitting image of Sakura, while mangapanda translated that she acts like sakura, mangapanda has very erroneous translations sometimes. when the rows of gaiden 4 came out, mangastream was the most close and correct with the translating. mangastream is more reliable the mangapanda will ever be.

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    • Sasuke always traveling to visit his sugar honies

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    • Gebeleizis wrote: mangastream translated that sarada is the spitting image of Sakura, while mangapanda translated that she acts like sakura, mangapanda has very erroneous translations sometimes. when the rows of gaiden 4 came out, mangastream was the most close and correct with the translating. mangastream is more reliable the mangapanda will ever be.

      I can hardly even find a site that translate it to "You're the spitting image of Sakura". I'm certain he was exclusively refering to her behaviour. If he didn't, him also mentioning that he's sure she'd be scary when angered wouldn't make sense.

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    • I think most of us have seen the latest chapter and understand that the reason why Sasuke left was because he was looking for any signs of the White Zetsus and any possibility of someone stronger than Kaguya. Based on the flashback, we can see that Sakura was pregnant during this time. Meaning, Sarada is really the daughter of SasuSaku..

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    • Sakura wasn't pregnant

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    • Well.. She looked like she was.. Sorry.. Sorry if I got the idea wrong..

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    • QuakingStar wrote: Sakura wasn't pregnant

      She was, look at page 10. That is definitely a big belly

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    • No it is not. I am looking at it right now. Compare it to Kushina's manga panels and you will realize just how wrong you are. She is not pregnant there.

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    • Since having a big belly = being pregnant, i guess Choji is long overdue. And anyway, Naruto wasn't Hokage when Sakura was pregnant with Sarada.

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    • Sarada is generally the same age as Boruto. About 12. Naruto was a new Hokage around chapter 700, he might of been Hokage for a year max since his face was on the mountain already.

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    • And this is back on because.....?

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    • That flashback confused me in general. Let's say Sakura was pregnant with Sarada at that time, then that must have been twelve years ago, right? Everyone that appeared in this flashback, though, looks exactly like they do now. So was this really twelve years ago? If it wasn't, then that would mean Sasuke came back to Konoha for a short amount of time within those twelve years.

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    • Sakura is shown to be slim in another panel.

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    • Matako wrote: That flashback confused me in general. Let's say Sakura was pregnant with Sarada at that time, then that must have been twelve years ago, right? Everyone that appeared in this flashback, though, looks exactly like they do now. So was this really twelve years ago? If it wasn't, then that would mean Sasuke came back to Konoha for a short amount of time within those twelve years.

      It could be a continuity error. It happens. Almost every writer of a multi book/comic saga makes some mistakes.

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    • I guess we have to wait and see..

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    • Am I the only one thinking that it might be Karin's ovum in Sakura's womb? Like infertility issues?

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    • No, I thought about similar scenarios.

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    • Some of you are trting way too hard to have Karin involved...

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    • LegionZero wrote: Some of you are trting way too hard to have Karin involved...

      Haha. That's true. But it's a good mental exercise (that's why this is a discussion board).

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    • I am in the neutral zone- Sakura may or may not be the mother, Karin may or may not be.

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    • Oh look now, it looks like it wasn't the Karin motherhood proponents who have been in denial all along...

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    • Sarada's personality, clothes, and hair is similar to Sakura and yet Sarada only has glasses from Karin. :I screw genetics.

      Most likely Sasuke is still married to Sakura and I'm betting on Sarada being a clone like Shin from Karin's DNA (far fetched yes but Kishi is ruining his story).

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    • More like fixing it. Sasuke suddenly caring about Sakura enough to impregnate her would have been shitty writing, at least he has a pretense of consistency that way.

      Also, Sarada's personality so far hasn't been shown to be similar to Sakura's at all - Sakura her age was altogether different. Naruto said she was similar, so it's more of an informed than a presented fact. But for that matter - Karin was quite similar to Sakura in many respects, such as her explosive temper. Ever noticed that? They both freaked out pretty much the same way. Also, look at that flashback of Karin's during the Part I Chunin exams, her face was much rounder than it became 2 years later - this is for all those saying Sarada's face is like Sakura's.

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    • I must say, he doesn't. What he has done for Sakura he has also done for Karin.

      In supplementary material, Sasuke acts indifferent to being labeled a traitor and figures it has nothing to do with him. The moment he hears that Sakura is being threatened, he rushes to save her. She didn't even need him, as she fended them off herself, obviously, seeing as how she was Tsunade's disciple and all.

      Don't think he's ever actually done that kind of thing for Karin. Not to mention that people conveniently neglect that Sasuke pushes Orochimaru for information claiming that the Shins "tried to kill [his] daughter and harm [his] wife."

      The possibility of him having impregnated Karin is certainly possibly. But a lot of what we've been shown indicates that Sasuke does care for Sakura. However, anyone can argue that this might not be romantically so, everything's up in the air, I guess.

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    • Brzoskwinia wrote: Sasuke surely wasn't in any relationship with Karin, because of his scene with Sakura in chapter 699. What, he promised Sakura he will return for her and than start relationship with Karin? that's not what Kishimoto was telling about Uchiha and how they feel in the manga. What I think is happening is that Sarada is so uncertain about her parents because Sasuke isn't there, that she even starts to have doubts if Sakura is her mother. But she is, because that would be totally without any sense if she wouldn't. Sarada's face is practically Sakura's face with Sasuke's color scheme.

      hey, you're right. And to top it of it's Suigetsu telling her that stuff, and he's known to BS.

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    • Karin is the biological mother because DNA tests never lie and Sasuke actually respects Karin rather than Sakura because him and Karin have been there for each other since the Hebi days.

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    • Karin is Saradas genetic mother. Get over it already people.

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    • I have a theory tho...it might be a bit exagerated but yeah. What if Sakura was infertile? And Karin offered herself to donate an egg? I think she would do that. It's more possible for Karin to make herself have something with Sasuke even if indirectly than for Sakura to raise someonelse's child with the one she loved. And since Orochimaru has been messing with genetics, and Karin has clearly not moved from that base a long time ago, I think it's something we should consider. Sasuke said Sakura was his wife. He wouldn't say it if it wasn't true. I think he really loves her. And Sakura is defenitly Sarada's mother. I mean, she loves her a lot. As a mother would. Not just as a stepmother. A true mother's love is different from a stepmother's, you can see she's really hers. But that's just my opinion/theory about this mess. Not even Naruto knew Sarada was Karin's bioligical daughter and he his the Hokage. He would find it odd if Sakura just appeared with a baby in her arms without being pregnant for 9 months am I right?...I'm betting on an egg donation from Karin.

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    • And they said official sources said Sakura's the mother. This is a bigger let down than when I found out magic isn't real.

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    • QuakingStar wrote: Karin is Saradas genetic mother. Get over it already people.

      Good heavens, I wish people would burn this very sentence into their brain. This topic is over, but people keep trying to hold on to every straw.

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    • Madara the epic god wrote:

      Karin is the biological mother because DNA tests never lie

      You sure about that? I've seen some cases where the test results were wrong on some occasions, and like I said, Suigetsu is known to bullshit. Unfortunately only time will tell if it is Kishi and Suigetsu trolling, or if it is the real deal (and sorry to the Sasusaku faction if it is.).

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    • Kusanagi Hiei wrote:

      Madara the epic god wrote:

      Karin is the biological mother because DNA tests never lie

      You sure about that? I've seen some cases where the test results were wrong on some occasions, and like I said, Suigetsu is known to bullshit. Unfortunately only time will tell if it is Kishi and Suigetsu trolling, or if it is the real deal (and sorry to the Sasusaku faction if it is.).

      I don't think Suigetsu is trolling, it's more likely that he wasn't even sure if it was Karin's DNA.

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    • Until Sasuke and Sakura themselves say that Karin is the mother, I wont believe it. Do people honestly believe that the DNA match of some random item that Suigetsu found in Karin's desk is proof that she is Sarada's mother? The girl who stalks Sasuke? The girl who Sasuke doesn't even love? It's like people completely forgot that Kishi has been known to troll on multiple occasions and started retconning previously established things every few chapters during the war arc lol. Honestly, Karin being the mother makes no sense. Sasuke loves and married Sakura and has literally shown no interest in Karin, why would he have a child with her? Also, even if the random item is an umbilical cord and it's true that Karin and Sarada's DNA matches. That doesn't mean she is her mother, if anything, I'm more inclined to believe all of the whole surrogate mother theories. Sasuke and Sakura did indeed conceive Sarada, but Sakura was unable to carry her for some reason, so Karin did instead. Regardless, Gaiden is gonna end in a few chapters anyway so we'll find out the truth soon once Sasuke and Sakura are confronted by Sarada about this.

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    • Sakura is probably infertile or incapable of having children and Sasuke and Sakura could have both used Karin as a surrogate mother for a few reasons, one, she is an Uzumaki with good genes and due to her regenerating having a high chance of surviving child birth, she was close to sasuke, isn't ugly and Sasuke might have wanted his daughter to be potentially stronger by mixing both Uzumaki and Uchiha DNA. This explains why Karin is her biological mother, how Sakura is also still kind of her mother.

      Besides even when Naruto stated that she has Sakura's personality I was doubtful she was her biological mother because personality can also change by just being around and being influenced by certain individuals. Besides, Sakura nor her mother or father wore glasses, neither did sasuke, his mother or father, so inherently she should biologically possesses pretty decent eyesight.

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    • Bullshit. DNA tests CAN'T lie.

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    • QuakingStar wrote: Bullshit. DNA tests CAN'T lie.

      Oh I think your right. . . I just don't think it's Karin's DNA, but rather Sasuke's. To me if Karin is Sarada's mother than it undermines Sasuke's character. Just think about it; Sasuke marries Sakura and dumps his bastard daughter on her and leaves for a mission that keeps him away from his family for years! That would make Sasuke an even worse person than he has become. He also showed NO interest in Karin what-so-ever.

      Also I don't give a shit about ships so that has nothing to do with my argument. What I care about is character development.

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    • Here here

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    • I follow the opinion of Skitzo1. Sasuke mixed his Uchiha-genes with the Uzumaki-genes (and so also with the Senju-Genes, as the Uzumaki are related to the Senju!). So this little Sadara has genes which are extremely close to those of the SO6P, making her powerful over any means.

      Next thinking: As we now know, Karin ist working for Oro again. So what about Oro used Karin and some DNA he has left from Sasuke to create Sadara for the means of mixing Uchiha and Senju again. She later was rescued by Konoha-nin and given to Sasuke and Sakura, because Sasuke is her biological father.

      By any means folks, just take your thinkings about these thing straight, as Kishi is not so smart in his plots. I remember discussions about the origins of Nagato's Rinnegang year's ago and one of the first theory was, that they were actually Madaras evolved eyes ;)

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    • QuakingStar wrote: Bullshit. DNA tests CAN'T lie.

      They can. Did you know that females who receive blood donations or bone marrow transplant sometimes or most of the times get their DNA mixed up. Resulting in 1 or a few of the children to have a different DNA than their mother or their father despite being their biological offspring. Yes it happens. Consider that before blaming your wife on cheating if the child had different DNA than yours. Well only if she got blood donation from other people or bone marrow transplant.

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    • really nobody is wondering why sarada's dna panel is 100% similar to karin, if karin is the mother, her panel should be different because a child has 50% dna from father and 50% from mother. it looks like suigetsu compared sarada's dna to sarada's dna!! All that I am trying to say is that if Karin would be the mother, her dna should be different, not 100% similar to Sarada, Sarada is not Karin's clone to have the same DNA.

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    • QuakingStar wrote: Bullshit. DNA tests CAN'T lie.

      DNA tests are "dumb". Put stuff in, get stuff out. it only tells you if the DNA you put in has a match. it tells you nothing about the samples themselves, from who they are. Contamination is a real problem, just as wrongly identifying the samples themselves.

      Consider this: if the sample has nothing in common with Sarada, and a hair were to fall on it, it could already wrongly identify it. Not saying that happened, but DNA matching happens under laboratory conditions, not in some damp cave.

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    • You can't fool DNA tests normally. Only if the two DNA's are actually different. I have good news for you SasuSaku people, I'm 90% positive that umbilical cord was Sarada's and that's why it was a 100% match to her. Suigetsu's dumb ass just doesn't pay attention(or care at all).

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    • Or Kishi didn't bother to make it different. Wouldn't be the first time he made a mistake.

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    • QuakingStar wrote: You can't fool DNA tests normally. Only if the two DNA's are actually different. I have good news for you SasuSaku people, I'm 90% positive that umbilical cord was Sarada's and that's why it was a 100% match to her. Suigetsu's dumb ass just doesn't pay attention(or care at all).

      the japanese fandom thinks the same as us!!! and now with the chapter 8, soon this bullshit with who is he biological mother will dissapear

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    • Gebeleizis wrote: really nobody is wondering why sarada's dna panel is 100% similar to karin, if karin is the mother, her panel should be different because a child has 50% dna from father and 50% from mother. it looks like suigetsu compared sarada's dna to sarada's dna!! All that I am trying to say is that if Karin would be the mother, her dna should be different, not 100% similar to Sarada, Sarada is not Karin's clone to have the same DNA.

      Wow never thought of that it looks like a 100% match. Now that could be Kishi making a mistake but i dont think so plus we don't really know that it was Karens DNA I mean why would she keep a sample of her own DNA in her desk i'm thinking it was probably Sasuke's DNA with how much Orochimaru wanted the Sharingan hell with how long Sasuke was with Orochimaru he was must have some of kind of DNA sample flesh,blood or hair. I know alot of people are saying that the sample was a umbilical cord but if that was Sarada's umbilical cord why would Karin keep the only connection to her daughter if she is Saradas mother in the DNA lab and not in her bedroom in a box or some where safe. Plus it is sounding like Sarada wasn't born in the Leaf Village so if Sakura is her mother she and Sasuke might have been on a trip when Sakura when into labor and Karen might have stolen the umbilical cord if she was working for Orochimaru at the time its not out of the question it would be more Uchiha DNA for his experiments

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    • Now that you present that it is possible.

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    • also want to point out as Kusanagi Hiei said its Suigetsu that did the test and he isn't really the smartest guy in Orochimaru's ranks who knows if he did the test right plus he said or rather thought to himself that he didn't know where the DNA sample in Karen's desk came from EDIT: did a little research into umbilical cord DNA (sense i know anything about it) and from what i have been able to find the DNA in the umbilical cord is from the baby not the mother (in fact DNA from the cord is used in paterinty tests after the baby is born) so this is more proof that Karen for whatever reason has Sarada's umbilical cord (still thinking for Orochimarus expariments) and that Suigetsu tested Sarada's DNA against her own DNA that would explain the 100% match

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    • Devilhunter9137 wrote:

      Gebeleizis wrote: really nobody is wondering why sarada's dna panel is 100% similar to karin, if karin is the mother, her panel should be different because a child has 50% dna from father and 50% from mother. it looks like suigetsu compared sarada's dna to sarada's dna!! All that I am trying to say is that if Karin would be the mother, her dna should be different, not 100% similar to Sarada, Sarada is not Karin's clone to have the same DNA.

      Wow never thought of that it looks like a 100% match. Now that could be Kishi making a mistake but i dont think so plus we don't really know that it was Karens DNA I mean why would she keep a sample of her own DNA in her desk i'm thinking it was probably Sasuke's DNA with how much Orochimaru wanted the Sharingan hell with how long Sasuke was with Orochimaru he was must have some of kind of DNA sample flesh,blood or hair. I know alot of people are saying that the sample was a umbilical cord but if that was Sarada's umbilical cord why would Karin keep the only connection to her daughter if she is Saradas mother in the DNA lab and not in her bedroom in a box or some where safe. Plus it is sounding like Sarada wasn't born in the Leaf Village so if Sakura is her mother she and Sasuke might have been on a trip when Sakura when into labor and Karen might have stolen the umbilical cord if she was working for Orochimaru at the time its not out of the question it would be more Uchiha DNA for his experiments

      Maybe Karin didn't stole anything!!! Anything can be possible!!I neither see the reason why Karin would keep her own dna in the desk, but neither sarada's! And the panels are not a mistake!!! Are too many things that are saying Sakura is the (biological) mother, Kishimoto is offering to much clues, the site of the movie, the data book, the manga, his editor, a draw from his editor saying Sakura teaching her daughter healing jutsus, the seyuus, and Kishimoto himself again, and all this against 2 panels? That's why I see this very fishy!!!Are too many proofs of Sakura being the mother against Karin being the mother, beside that, look at how clueless Suigetsu is acting!!! And the funny think is that the japanese fandom came first with the ombilical cord and the travel!! They don't buy as easy as us this think with Karin is the mother!!! :))

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    • You do realize that Sarada IS Sakura's daughter, even if Karin was the one who gave birth to her right??? nothing ever mentioned Sakura giving birth to her or being her genetic mother. Karin on the other hand is said to be her genetic mother. Let's all just wait to see what happens.

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    • Honestly, you should be careful how you say these things. What you're basically assuming here is that Kishimoto/Sakura calling Sarada her daughter is proof for a genetic relationship. Indirectly that means that calling one's child his/her daughter is an exclusive privilege for biological mothers. That is beyond intolerant and highly offensive towards adoptive mothers you know. If a woman adopts a girl, takes her in, raises her, then they are by definition mother and daughter. Adoptive mothers are still mothers, and their children are their children. Of course an adotpive mother doesn't call her child "My adotpive daughter". They say "my daughter", becuase motherhood doesn't have to be biological.

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    • What's bothering me is why Naruto doesn't know if Sarada's biological mother is Sakura. Even if Naruto is busy he could send a clone to visit Sakura once in a while, like bringing fruits, food to her while she's still pregnant or be near while she's giving birth along with sasuke, or visit after giving birth. That much should be proof enough right? So does that mean Sakura gave birth somewhere else or where they on a misssion for a long time and came back with a child (whether or not she's their child)

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    • First off people need to stop assuming that the 100% match meant identical DNA. It could have simply been a test to establish whether there was shared genetics. Secondly has nobody wondered why Karin kept a lock of her own hair in her desk? If she needed a genetic sample all she has to do is pluck a hair from her head at any time, and it's not like she left the sample for the others to use since she emphasized to Suigetsu that her desk was private, and not for others to rummage around in. How much do you want to bet that lock of hair is Sasuke's? Karin be pervin.

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    • Supahbadmarine wrote: First off people need to stop assuming that the 100% match meant identical DNA. It could have simply been a test to establish whether there was shared genetics. Secondly has nobody wondered why Karin kept a lock of her own hair in her desk? If she needed a genetic sample all she has to do is pluck a hair from her head at any time, and it's not like she left the sample for the others to use since she emphasized to Suigetsu that her desk was private, and not for others to rummage around in. How much do you want to bet that lock of hair is Sasuke's? Karin be pervin.

      Actually, there are hundreds of lab regulations regarding the storage of genetic material. It has to be kept sterile. It's not as simple as just getting a new extraction for every time you need it. Doctors with their own labs here for example have a variety of their own samples in their lab. Not just material that is harder to extract like urine and blood, but also spit and hair. They use their own extractions for a clear comparison to that of a patient. And they don't throw their own extractions away either. They keep it instead of getting a new one every time. You'd be surprised how long these things can last. Keeping your own samples, especially for Karin, who has one of the most interesting biologies, is absolutely nothing unusual. Not to mention that Sarada and Suigetsu wouldn't mistake a black hair for a red one. Provided this actually was a hair of course.

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    • it was either an umbilical cord or a hair. If it was a hair then it was definitely Karin's if it was an umbilical then there is a chance it was Sarada's. but I do believe it was a hair because an umbilical cord would not fit into that vial.

      Had to fix that, because there is no way in hell Karin could of had Sasuke's umbilical cord.

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    • QuakingStar wrote: it was either an umbilical cord or a hair. If it was a hair then it was definitely Karin's if it was an umbilical then there is a chance it was Sarada's or Sasuke's. but I do believe it was a hair because an umbilical cord would not fit into that vial.

      I think it would. Umbilical cords dries up and decreases in size, my mom keeps our umbilical cords secured and sealed as reminders of when we were babies.

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    • hm... if Karin is Sarada's mother, why did she give her daughter to Sakura? and Sasuke also mention that Sakura is his wife right? so here's what I've got so far: Karin = Sarada's mother, Sarada = Sasuke's daugther, Sasuke = Sakura's husband, Sakura = Sarada step mother why is Sasuke married Sakura if Sarada is Karin and his daugther? o_o now I really confuse, and one of my friend told me that in a character profile to the new movie, it says that Sarada is SasuSaku Daugther and not to mention that Sarada looks like Sakura and Sasuke combination in the appearance if you remove her glasses, the only thing that made people think that she's karin daughter is her glasses (beside the DNA result), am I wrong?

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    • Namida12 wrote: hm... if Karin is Sarada's mother, why did she give her daughter to Sakura? and Sasuke also mention that Sakura is his wife right? so here's what I've got so far: Karin = Sarada's mother Sarada = Sasuke's daugther Sasuke = Sakura's husband Sakura = Sarada step mother why is Sasuke married Sakura if Sarada is Karin and his daugther? o_o now I really confuse, and one of my friend told me that in a character profile to the new movie, it says that Sarada is SasuSaku Daugther (I don't know if it were true or not, I haven't check it yet)

      Could have many reasons. The mistake in your idea is that you're assuming that Sarada was a love child. But who says there was any romantic interaction between Sasuke and Karin? Karin could have as well just been an egg donor to Sakura or the surrogate mother.

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    • Matako wrote:

      Namida12 wrote: hm... if Karin is Sarada's mother, why did she give her daughter to Sakura? and Sasuke also mention that Sakura is his wife right? so here's what I've got so far: Karin = Sarada's mother Sarada = Sasuke's daugther Sasuke = Sakura's husband Sakura = Sarada step mother why is Sasuke married Sakura if Sarada is Karin and his daugther? o_o now I really confuse, and one of my friend told me that in a character profile to the new movie, it says that Sarada is SasuSaku Daugther (I don't know if it were true or not, I haven't check it yet)

      Could have many reasons. The mistake in your idea is that you're assuming that Sarada was a love child. But who says there was any romantic interaction between Sasuke and Karin? Karin could have as well just been an egg donor to Sakura or the surrogate mother.

      it can be right, too, but... in that case... if it's true that she is Karin daughter; it means that she's never meet her true mother too?, poor child... :(

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    • Namida12 wrote: it can be right, too, but... in that case... if it's true that she is Karin daughter; it means that she's never meet her true mother too?, poor child... :(

      Well it doesn't really seem to bother her. Up until now her only problem was that Sakura is not her biological mother, but she didn't seem to have interest in even getting to know Karin, which is understandable. Sakura was there for Sarada the whole time, while Karin wasn't. And Sakura can provide Sarada with a home, love and a decent social environment, while Karin doesn't even have a home village anymore, lives in a place where pretty much everyone is a criminal who betrayed his village and what's even worse, she is a servant to psycho who could very well claim Sarada and make her a lab rat like Karin herself. Decent genes is pretty much all Karin has from her awful life to give, while Sakura provides Sarada with safety and love. Though I personally still believe that Karin was merely a donor for Sakura and Sasuke.

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    • Matako wrote:

      Namida12 wrote: it can be right, too, but... in that case... if it's true that she is Karin daughter; it means that she's never meet her true mother too?, poor child... :(

      Well it doesn't really seem to bother her. Up until now her only problem was that Sakura is not her biological mother, but she didn't seem to have interest in even getting to know Karin, which is understandable. Sakura was there for Sarada the whole time, while Karin wasn't. And Sakura can provide Sarada with a home, love and a decent social environment, while Karin doesn't even have a home village anymore, lives in a place where pretty much everyone is a criminal who betrayed his village and what's even worse, she is a servant to psycho who could very well claim Sarada and make her a lab rat like Karin herself. Decent genes is pretty much all Karin has from her awful life to give, while Sakura provides Sarada with safety and love. Though I personally still believe that Karin was merely a donor for Sakura and Sasuke.

      Ok the whole thing about Karin being a "donor" doesn't make sense. By that people are saying that Sakura carried the child but It was Karin's eggs that were fertilized and therefor Karin's child. That would make Sasuke an asshole. I mean it's like he goes up to his wife and says: "hey Sakura I know you can carry a child but I want you to carry another my and another woman's child. That cool with you?" Also I think Sakura is the mother simply because it would ruin Sasuke as a character.

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    • BigBadBruin343 wrote: Ok the whole thing about Karin being a "donor" doesn't make sense. By that people are saying that Sakura carried the child but It was Karin's eggs that were fertilized and therefor Karin's child. That would make Sasuke and asshole. I mean it's like he goes up to his wife and says: "hey Sakura I know you can carry a child but I want you to carry another my and another woman's child. That cool with you?" Also I think Sakura is the mother simply because it would ruin Sasuke as a character.

      Of course it doesn't make sense if you put it like that. But if you know a little bit about egg donations, you know that they're usually done when the woman is infertile. What I obviously meant was that it happened according to both Sakura's and Sasuke's wish. It wouldn't ruin anyone's character. Those things are common. I have the feeling you guys are only imagining the possibilities in a way they would appear pointless and avoid any other legitimate, logical and plausible scenario. It could have been an affair or relationship before he was even married to Sakura, or Karin happens to be the egg donor or surrogate mother. And even if that's not the case and Sasuke "cheated", which I doubt, it doesn't ruin Sasuke's character. Sasuke already tried to kill Sakura and said that he has no interest in her. What is there to ruin after something like this? What does he have left to be "ruined" in the frame of this entire business? It's like you say "Oh no, he started drinking. Now he's a bad person." about a man who just last week intentionally murdered three people.

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    • Matako wrote:

      BigBadBruin343 wrote: Ok the whole thing about Karin being a "donor" doesn't make sense. By that people are saying that Sakura carried the child but It was Karin's eggs that were fertilized and therefor Karin's child. That would make Sasuke and asshole. I mean it's like he goes up to his wife and says: "hey Sakura I know you can carry a child but I want you to carry another my and another woman's child. That cool with you?" Also I think Sakura is the mother simply because it would ruin Sasuke as a character.

      Of course it doesn't make sense if you put it like that. But if you know a little bit about egg donations, you know that they're usually done when the woman is infertile. What I obviously meant was that it happened according to both Sakura's and Sasuke's wish. It wouldn't ruin anyone's character. Those things are common. I have the feeling you guys are only imagining the possibilities in a way they would appear pointless and avoid any other legitimate, logical and plausible scenario. It could have been an affair or relationship before he was even married to Sakura, or Karin happens to be the egg donor or surrogate mother. And even if that's not the case and Sasuke "cheated", which I doubt, it doesn't ruin Sasuke's character. Sasuke already tried to kill Sakura and said that he has no interest in her. What is there to ruin after something like this? What does he have left to be "ruined" in the frame of this entire business? It's like you say "Oh no, he started drinking. Now he's a bad person." about a man who just last week intentionally murdered three people.

      I will say I was to harsh the way I worded my comment and I'm sorry for that. But I say ruined because he is married to Sakura now and we have to live with that and I saw genuine affection between the two of them in the latest chapter. Sasuke having a child with another woman perhaps doesn't ruin his character but it doesn't do it any favors it in my book. Also having a child with a woman who stole his bloody and sweaty clothing and wanted to lick him in the in the middle of a battle doesn't make sense to me. Also the thing about surrogate mother stuff... that seems a little... mature for a Shonan manga aimed at male teens. I could be totally wrong though and you could be 100% right but we will have to wait for next week to find out.

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      Of course it doesn't make sense if you put it like that. But if you know a little bit about egg donations, you know that they're usually done when the woman is infertile. What I obviously meant was that it happened according to both Sakura's and Sasuke's wish. It wouldn't ruin anyone's character. Those things are common. I have the feeling you guys are only imagining the possibilities in a way they would appear pointless and avoid any other legitimate, logical and plausible scenario.

      My problem with the scenario is that the whole Sarada situation is poorly handled. if what you say is true, and of all the Karin + Sasuke situations it's definitely the best, why go through all the trouble? Couldn't Sakura simply have said "yes you're adopted" and be over with it? It's something any adoption parent has to deal with, and given that this world had child soldiers and probably plenty of orphans during the Warring States period, it seems that there would be plenty of experience and understanding regarding these situations. Including how to tell kinds, in a normal way, that their mommy/daddy isn't their genetic daddy/mommy but still the one who raised them.

      I don't really care about how it makes sasuke look, it's more about how it makes Sakura and even Naruto look. I'm still vouching for Sakura-Sasuke as long as that's the better option for the characters involved. I really do hope for a good, sensible conclusion to this mess that doesn't just explain this weird parenting, but also this weird secrecy. Including secrecy from the Hokage despite the fact that a high medical ninja like Shizune was apparently aware of this.

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    • BigBadBruin343 wrote: I will say I was to harsh the way I worded my comment and I'm sorry for that. But I say ruined because he is married to Sakura now and we have to live with that and I saw genuine affection between the two of them in the latest chapter. Sasuke having a child with another woman perhaps doesn't ruin his character but it does do it any favors it in my book. Also having a child with a woman who stole his bloody and sweaty clothing and wanted to lick him in the in the middle of a battle doesn't make sense to me. Also the thing about surrogate mother stuff... that seems a little... mature for a Shonan manga aimed at male teens. I could be totally wrong though and you could be 100% but we will have to wait for next week to find out.

      Well he is married now, and as it seems happily married. That fact doesn't change. And a character is not supposed to be perfect. A perfect character is a badly written character. A character needs flaws, things the reader can't relate to or things the reader doesn't like, because that is authentic. Though as I said, I personally still believe the whole scenario was nothing that would put either Sasuke or Sakura in a bad light. And actually, Sasuke never knew about Karin's little obsessions, and nothing really indicated he was disgusted by that either. He seemed a bit bothered if anything. For all he knows Karin used his shirt as a diversion for Konoha, and he wasn't with her when she made all the "licking" comments either. Around him she was a bit touchy-feely, but that was pretty much it.Though of course he never showed any romantic affection for her at all. And you know, cloning is one of the most mature biological topic in existence. Espeically the way Kishimoto handled it. The choice of letting a clone die for your own favor, the scenario of putting one life above the other. That is a huge ethnic topic. Believe me, egg donations are nothing compared to that. If he covered cloning the way he did, covering the topics surrogate mothers and egg donations is absolutely nothing that would be a tabu to him.

      Thekillman wrote: My problem with the scenario is that the whole Sarada situation is poorly handled. if what you say is true, and of all the Karin + Sasuke situations it's definitely the best, why go through all the trouble? Couldn't Sakura simply have said "yes you're adopted" and be over with it? It's something any adoption parent has to deal with, and given that this world had child soldiers and probably plenty of orphans during the Warring States period, it seems that there would be plenty of experience and understanding regarding these situations. Including how to tell kinds, in a normal way, that their mommy/daddy isn't their genetic daddy/mommy but still the one who raised them.

      I don't really care about how it makes sasuke look, it's more about how it makes Sakura and even Naruto look. I'm still vouching for Sakura-Sasuke as long as that's the better option for the characters involved. I really do hope for a good, sensible conclusion to this mess that doesn't just explain this weird parenting, but also this weird secrecy. Including secrecy from the Hokage despite the fact that a high medical ninja like Shizune was apparently aware of this.

      Well we can't really tell whether it was poorly handled because don't know about the circumstances yet. Haha. And the topic of adoption is very... sensitive. As someone who has an adopted brother herself, I can relate to that. It would be absolutely understandable if Sakura was afraid of Sarada suddenly not acknowledging Sakura as her mother anymore, and as we've seen, that's what Sarada did at first. Sarada didn't have any understanding at all the moment she found out. She even said that Sakura was nothing to her. She was clearly upset and was completely out of consideration for the situation.

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    • Karin is crazy for Sasuke. She wouldn't give her and Sasuke's child to another girl and make Sasuke marry that girl too. I mean if you were impregnated by a man you're so crazy for, would you give your child to him and make him marry another girl. I think Sakura is definitely the "biological mother" (wouldn't want someone go and say of course she's the mother even if she didn't give birth to her). Something just went wrong, might be the machine, the DNA sources, or the operator of the machine. But I think Sakura really is the Biological mother.

      And if she's not then let it be. I'm more concerned for Boruto's future. Sarada got some real action and the Son of the MC of the first Naruto series is at konoha probably doing the same things as Naruto did in the past.

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    • Still nothing says that Karin even gave birth to Sarada. With an egg donation Sakura could have simply given birth to Sarada while not sharing DNA with her. But the biological mother is Karin and that is not to be doubted until Kishimoto starts giving clues, hints or indicators that something about the DNA test was wrong. If at least Naruto doubted the results we would have a room for speculation. But again, if Sakura is the biological mother, what would have been the entire point of this whole thing? That Karin is the mother was a twist that caused several emotional moments, enlightenments and the beautiful message that motherhood doesn't have to be biological. If Sakura turns out to be the mother we'd have two twists cancelling each other out, several emotional moments and realizations that mean nothing because they were the result of a minor mistake and an entire spin-off series that was entirely pointless. The message is beautiful and deep, and I don't see a single reason why anyone believes this entire story up until now is just a small misunderstanding and has no meaning to it.

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    • Matako wrote: Still nothing says that Karin even gave birth to Sarada. With an egg donation Sakura could have simply given birth to Sarada while not sharing DNA with her. But the biological mother is Karin and that is not to be doubted until Kishimoto starts giving clues, hints or indicators that something about the DNA test was wrong. If at least Naruto doubted the results we would have a room for speculation. But again, if Sakura is the biological mother, what would have been the entire point of this whole thing? That Karin is the mother was a twist that caused several emotional moments, enlightenments and the beautiful message that motherhood doesn't have to be biological. If Sakura turns out to be the mother we'd have two twists cancelling each other out, several emotional moments and realizations that mean nothing because they were the result of a minor mistake and an entire spin-off series that was entirely pointless. The message is beautiful and deep, and I don't see a single reason why anyone believes this entire story up until now is just a small misunderstanding and has no meaning to it.

      It's not cancelling each other out. It's just a matter of perspective. The daughter starts doubting her mother, then she finds out that she wasn't her real mother. Then learns that love is what's important. After that she will find out that it was a mistake but learned something great due to that mistake and gains confidence in herself and strengthen their family relationship through that lesson, which is "love is what's important" like what Naruto said, now even if Sasuke or Sakura is away, she would not doubt the bonds of her family. You should have been used to it by now since there were a lot of plot twists at the first one and on shippuuden. Not to mention it was pretty dramatic. Naruto experienced something more emotional so this time, I don't get the feels like I did from the previous one.

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    • KaizerBlazeX wrote: It's not cancelling each other out. It's just a matter of perspective. The daughter starts doubting her mother, then she finds out that she wasn't her real mother. Then learns that love is what's important. After that she will find out that it was a mistake but learned something great due to that mistake and gains confidence in herself and strengthen their family relationship through that lesson, which is "love is what's important" like what Naruto said, now even if Sasuke or Sakura is away, she would not doubt the bonds of her family. You should have been used to it by now since there were a lot of plot twists at the first one and on shippuuden. Not to mention it was pretty dramatic. Naruto experienced something more emotional so this time, I don't get the feels like I did from the previous one.

      How is that not a cancelled out twist? It's like coming to terms with someone's death and that person ends up being revived. It ruins the point and the message, and I don't see why Kishimoto would even consider doing this. That would be beyond awful writing. I don't know a single author who ruins his own message like that. In the end they'll be exactly where they were in the beginning and the story will be pointless. They'd be richer in experiences, but a story is about moving on. There were a lot of plot twists yes, but Karin being the mother was the plot twist. There can't be a twist to a twist. "Sakura is the biological mother. No she isn't. Nevermind she is". That is not a twist. And Kishimoto never used any stylistic method like. No author I know of did. "Sakura is the mother. No it's Karin. No it's Temari" would be a twist. But going back to how it was right after accepting how it is? How can this sound plausible to anyone?

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    • Matako wrote:

      KaizerBlazeX wrote: It's not cancelling each other out. It's just a matter of perspective. The daughter starts doubting her mother, then she finds out that she wasn't her real mother. Then learns that love is what's important. After that she will find out that it was a mistake but learned something great due to that mistake and gains confidence in herself and strengthen their family relationship through that lesson, which is "love is what's important" like what Naruto said, now even if Sasuke or Sakura is away, she would not doubt the bonds of her family. You should have been used to it by now since there were a lot of plot twists at the first one and on shippuuden. Not to mention it was pretty dramatic. Naruto experienced something more emotional so this time, I don't get the feels like I did from the previous one.

      How is that not a cancelled out twist? It's like coming to terms with someone's death and that person ends up being revived. It ruins the point and the message, and I don't see why Kishimoto would even consider doing this. That would be beyond awful writing. I don't know a single author who ruins his own message like that. In the end they'll be exactly where they were in the beginning and the story will be pointless. They'd be richer in experiences, but a story is about moving on. There were a lot of plot twists yes, but Karin being the mother was the plot twist. There can't be a twist to a twist. "Sakura is the biological mother. No she isn't. Nevermind she is". That is not a twist. And Kishimoto never used any stylistic method like. No author I know of did. "Sakura is the mother. No it's Karin. No it's Temari" would be a twist. But going back to how it was right after accepting how it is? How can this sound plausible to anyone?

      I think it would be awful writing if Karin is the mother. I mean it would make Sasuke just an awful person. I mean having an illegitimate child of any kind and dumping it on his wife and up and leaving for 12 or so years is a dick move. And it makes Karin look like a bad mother, for just letting Sasuke take the kid and have it raised by another woman. And I've heard some people say that she wouldn't want to raise the kid around Orochimaru but she wouldn't have to, I'm sure Kakashi and/or Naruto would grant her asylum if she wanted it. It doesn't make sense, why would Sasuke want a child from a woman who stole his bloody and sweaty clothes and wanted to lick him and the middle of a battle? That doesn't make sense... at all. Also don't you think it was convenient that Karin just so happened not to be at the hideout they stopped at? Or that Sarada isn't spending any time with Sasuke who could answer said questions? It's like what Suigetsu said: "there's no way Sasuke is that big of a scumbag!"

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    • BigBadBruin343 wrote: I think it would be awful writing if Karin is the mother. I mean it would make Sasuke just an awful person. I mean having an illegitimate child of any kind and dumping it on his wife and up and leaving for 12 or so years is a dick move. And it makes Karin look like a bad mother, for just letting Sasuke take the kid and have it raised by another woman. And I've heard some people say that she wouldn't want to raise the kid around Orochimaru but she wouldn't have to, I'm sure Kakashi and/or Naruto would grant her asylum if she wanted it. It doesn't make sense, why would Sasuke want a child from a woman who stole his bloody and sweaty clothes and wanted to lick him and the middle of a battle? That doesn't make sense... at all. Also don't you think it was convenient that Karin just so happened not to be at the hideout they stopped at? Or that Sarada isn't spending any time with Sasuke who could answer said questions? It's like what Suigetsu said: "there's no way Sasuke is that big of a scumbag!"

      I'm sorry, are we having the same conversation? We've been at this point already. I'll say it again: Just because Sarada is not Sakura's biological daughter, it doesn't make her an illegitamate child. We don't know the circumstances. No one says Sasuke cheated and no one says it wasn't also according to Sakura's wish. And again, he already tried to kill Sakura and said he didn't give a damn about her. If that didn't already make him an awful person, I don't know how cheating would. We're talking about Sasuke. And Karin might also still be a mere donor, nothing more nothing less. If you come up with those ominous scenarios, of course it's going to make Sasuke look bad. But let's go with the other very well possible scenario that Sakura is infertile and Karin helped with that. Doesn't make Sasuke an awful person now, does it? And even if it is as you said, it's not bad writing. That is good writing, because characters making mistakes and having flaws like a real human being, that is authentic. Writing is not about making the characters look as good as possible.

      And still, Sasuke never knew of Karin's little obsessions. She was at most a bit touchy-feely around him, but there was nothing else that he noticed. Everything else happened behind his back, not to mention that it was never that much of a bother to him that he could never be sexually attracted to her. Though I personally still believe there was no actual sexual interaction between them.

      Karin is a jailer by the way. She didn't work personally with Orochimaru in Shippuuden either. I just had to check that in the manga again, but as seen in chapter 348 the hideout she works in is an island Sasuke and Suigetsu had to travel to first.

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    • What are you so cranky for? Does other opinions not matter to you to force your opinion on us. In my opinion, the two plot twists that you say are "Cancelling each other out" are normal and are not cancelling each other out. I have watched multiple animes, read a lot of manga, manhua, webtoons and light novels and played visual novels. Multiple plot twists are normal. "Cancelling each other out" like you say is a matter of opinion and how you understood the whole thing. It's up to the author to do what he wants and it's up to us to interpret his works.

      Whether or not Sakura is the biological matter, the plot twists helped Sarada mature and learn a lesson. If she learns that Sakura is in fact her biological mother then the former plot twist is not useless. Sarada matured and learned a lesson. It also gave us a thrill and aroused are curiosity which lead us to discuss it here. It wasn't futile, nothing cancelled another. That is my own opinion of it. We all have varying opinions.

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    • What I'm worried about is if Sarada IS in fact the daughter of Karin, then this could most likely result in a Sharingan + Uzumaki (Senju somewhere down the line) combination which we all know becomes the Rinnegan. I'm sorta sick of seeing the Rinnegan.

      Then again, if she did have the genes she would have activated the Rinnegan already, I'm assuming.

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    • TrueRelease wrote: What I'm worried about is if Sarada IS in fact the daughter of Karin, then this could most likely result in a Sharingan + Uzumaki (Senju somewhere down the line) combination which we all know becomes the Rinnegan. I'm sorta sick of seeing the Rinnegan.

      Then again, if she did have the genes she would have activated the Rinnegan already, I'm assuming.

      A lot of people are saying that but you need the chakra of Indra and Asura to do that. The only reason Sasuke got it was because of the Sage of Six Paths giving it to him.

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    • TrueRelease wrote: What I'm worried about is if Sarada IS in fact the daughter of Karin, then this could most likely result in a Sharingan + Uzumaki (Senju somewhere down the line) combination which we all know becomes the Rinnegan. I'm sorta sick of seeing the Rinnegan.

      Then again, if she did have the genes she would have activated the Rinnegan already, I'm assuming.

      You don't have to worry about that, because Senju + Uchiha doesn't equal Rinnegan, it is specifically Asura + Indra = Rinnegan. Now, Sarada could possibly unlock it because of Sasuke, but that's it, and that probably wont ever happen in the series anyway or until she's an adult.

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    • KaizerBlazeX wrote: What are you so cranky for? Does other opinions not matter to you to force your opinion on us. In my opinion, the two plot twists that you say are "Cancelling each other out" are normal and are not cancelling each other out. I have watched multiple animes, read a lot of manga, manhua, webtoons and light novels and played visual novels. Multiple plot twists are normal. "Cancelling each other out" like you say is a matter of opinion and how you understood the whole thing. It's up to the author to do what he wants and it's up to us to interpret his works.

      Whether or not Sakura is the biological matter, the plot twists helped Sarada mature and learn a lesson. If she learns that Sakura is in fact her biological mother then the former plot twist is not useless. Sarada matured and learned a lesson. It also gave us a thrill and aroused are curiosity which lead us to discuss it here. It wasn't futile, nothing cancelled another. That is my own opinion of it. We all have varying opinions.

      I'm sorry this is not a matter of opinion, like the earth being round is not a matter of opinion. I don't have an opinion on this either. There is nothing here that has to do with opinions. "Sakura is the mother. Sakura isn't the mother. Sakura is the mother". That is a cancelled out twist, because where are we at the end? At the exact same spot where we were from the very beginning. You cannot have an opinion about those things. It's a factual matter.

      And again, what is the point of learning a lesson regarding a matter that doesn't apply to you? It's like me learning that I need to see a pet as more than just a friend. I don't have a pet though. So what kind of story ends up having a lesson that doesn't even apply to the character? It's completely pointless and ridiculous. Kishimoto would drag his own message through the mud.

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    • Okay, I just had an interest theory. Factoring in both what was "confirmed" about Sakura being Sarada's mother and then the whole DNA test revealing a match to Karin, I came up with this. Keep in mind I am just guessing and accept whatever the truth is:

      Sasuke and Sakura had Sarada together. Then at some point, baby Sarada got sick with a disease/illness not unlike what killed Itachi. Sasuke, not wanting to lose another loved one like that, went to Orochimaru for help. There, using a similar procedure that altered Yamato's DNA to match Hashirama's to obtain the First Hokage's powers, Orochimaru altered Sarada's DNA overlap Sakura's genetic make-up with Karin's. This thereby makes Sarada a match to Karin's DNA and giving Sarada the Uzumaki life-force and healing powers to save Sarada's life.

      What do you think?

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    • Matako wrote:

      KaizerBlazeX wrote: What are you so cranky for? Does other opinions not matter to you to force your opinion on us. In my opinion, the two plot twists that you say are "Cancelling each other out" are normal and are not cancelling each other out. I have watched multiple animes, read a lot of manga, manhua, webtoons and light novels and played visual novels. Multiple plot twists are normal. "Cancelling each other out" like you say is a matter of opinion and how you understood the whole thing. It's up to the author to do what he wants and it's up to us to interpret his works.

      Whether or not Sakura is the biological matter, the plot twists helped Sarada mature and learn a lesson. If she learns that Sakura is in fact her biological mother then the former plot twist is not useless. Sarada matured and learned a lesson. It also gave us a thrill and aroused are curiosity which lead us to discuss it here. It wasn't futile, nothing cancelled another. That is my own opinion of it. We all have varying opinions.

      I'm sorry this is not a matter of opinion, like the earth being round is not a matter of opinion. I don't have an opinion on this either. There is nothing here that has to do with opinions. "Sakura is the mother. Sakura isn't the mother. Sakura is the mother". That is a cancelled out twist, because where are we at the end? At the exact same spot where we were from the very beginning. You cannot have an opinion about those things. It's a factual matter.

      And again, what is the point of learning a lesson regarding a matter that doesn't apply to you? It's like me learning that I need to see a pet as more than just a friend. I don't have a pet though. So what kind of story ends up having a lesson that doesn't even apply to the character? It's completely pointless and ridiculous. Kishimoto would drag his own message through the mud.

      You say it's a cancelled out plot twist and I say it's not to me so how is it not about opinions? are you saying your opinion is not an opinion but the truth? okay so are you the author to declare such things? Isn't the reason threads are made to discuss our own opinions of the matter? even in voting. Varying opinions leads to varying conclusions and actions. I can vote no to highlighted threads that needs voting and you can vote yes. If opinions does not matter here then you might as well be the one to manage everything and don't make threads.

      I find your logic to be the one that's twisted. If opinions does not matter on a discussion thread then why create it in the first place? We all have different opinions, don't force it on me. In my opinion the plot twists are okay, in yours it's not. I only want to point out that your opinion is not everyone's opinion.

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    • Well, guess the Sakura-Sasuke fans were right to hold faith.

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    • KaizerBlazeX wrote: You say it's a cancelled out plot twist and I say it's not to me so how is it not about opinions? are you saying your opinion is not an opinion but the truth? okay so are you the author to declare such things? Isn't the reason threads are made to discuss our own opinions of the matter? even in voting. Varying opinions leads to varying conclusions and actions. I can vote no to highlighted threads that needs voting and you can vote yes. If opinions does not matter here then you might as well be the one to manage everything and don't make threads.

      I find your logic to be the one that's twisted. If opinions does not matter on a discussion thread then why create it in the first place? We all have different opinions, don't force it on me. In my opinion the plot twists are okay, in yours it's not. I only want to point out that your opinion is not everyone's opinion.

      You see sweetheart, your problem is that you can't distinguish between factual matters and matters of opinion. You cannot say "In my opinion the earth isn't spheric but flat", or "In my opinion blood is blue". Those are not matters of your personal opinion. Same goes with this. The twist, as it turned out, was cancelled out. Regarding this business, we're at the exact same spot as we were before. We first believed Sakura was the biological mother, then we believed it to be Karin and now we believe it to be Sakura again. We went two steps forward and two steps back. No matter how you describe it or cover it up with "In my opinion", it has nothing to do with your opinion. You cannot have an opinion on a fact. You can have your own theories, wishes and fantasies of course, but opinions have nothing to do with this. It's not a plot twist. A plot twist changes something. This twist was a double twist that cancelled itself out. This is not my opinion, this is a fact. I never had an opinion about this, because this is nothing to have an opinion about.

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    • Matako wrote: You see sweetheart, your problem is that you can't distinguish between factual matters and matters of opinion. You cannot say "In my opinion the earth isn't spheric but flat", or "In my opinion blood is blue". Those are not matters of your personal opinion. Same goes with this. The twist, as it turned out, was cancelled out. Regarding this business, we're at the exact same spot as we were before. We first believed Sakura was the biological mother, then we believed it to be Karin and now we believe it to be Sakura again. We went two steps forward and two steps back. No matter how you describe it or cover it up with "In my opinion", it has nothing to do with your opinion. You cannot have an opinion on a fact. You can have your own theories, wishes and fantasies of course, but opinions have nothing to do with this. It's not a plot twist. A plot twist changes something. This twist was a double twist that cancelled itself out. This is not my opinion, this is a fact. I never had an opinion about this, because this is nothing to have an opinion about.

      Please remember that everyone is entitled to their own opinion, whether it be wrong or right. There's no need to escalate this disagreement into an argument, cheers.

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    • Sarutobii2 wrote: Please remember that everyone is entitled to their own opinion, whether it be wrong or right. There's no need to escalate this disagreement into an argument, cheers.

      Excuse me? I'm not arguing with anyone's "opinion". I'm nearly stating the difference between an opinion and a fact, and clearly if something is either "wrong or right" it's not an opinion. And I think a potential argument looks different too.

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    • Matako wrote:

      Sarutobii2 wrote: Please remember that everyone is entitled to their own opinion, whether it be wrong or right. There's no need to escalate this disagreement into an argument, cheers.

      Excuse me? I'm not arguing with anyone's "opinion". I'm nearly stating the difference between an opinion and a fact, and clearly if something is either "wrong or right" it's not an opinion. And I think a potential argument looks different too.

      You're basically saying your opinion is a fact. So when did the author said your opinion was the fact? I'm only saying I have a different opinion from you. I see it from a different perspective. How can you not understand a simple thing like that? A fact is a fact when it is proven. You have been forcing your opinion on me. Tell me what do you see me as? I am human too, I also have my own opinion and everyone here is entitled to their own opinions. Don't force yours on me. That's all I'm trying to say. I'm not you.

      Anyway I was right about the part that Sakura's the real mother and that she gave birth at a different place which is why Naruto didn't know about the truth.

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    • KaizerBlazeX wrote: You're basically saying your opinion is a fact. So when did the author said your opinion was the fact? I'm only saying I have a different opinion from you. I see it from a different perspective. How can you not understand a simple thing like that? A fact is a fact when it is proven. You have been forcing your opinion on me. Tell me what do you see me as? I am human too, I also have my own opinion and everyone here is entitled to their own opinions. Don't force yours on me. That's all I'm trying to say. I'm not you.

      Anyway I was right about the part that Sakura's the real mother and that she gave birth at a different place which is why Naruto didn't know about the truth.

      An opinion is never a fact. Only factual matter are facts. I'm sorry, I really tried explaining to you what an opinion is and what factual matters are but since you clearly haven't understood yet, I don't really know what else I can do for you.

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    • I need a good reason why I should keep this thread open. It's just going back and forth now and is slowly going off topic.

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    • It's not a canceled out plot twist if stuff actually happens. What we perceived as a plot twist was simply a red herring used to help develop a character (ie. have Sarada's insecurities regarding family be resolved). You say cancel out, but that choice of word implies that the plot twist had no impact, which is what the person you've been butting heads with has been trying to argue.

      When you say canceled out, it implies that you think the plot twist was pointless and did nothing. But we don't end where we began, because Sarada was changed by the twist, even if it turned out not to be real.

      Without the brief moment of angst presented by the twist, you have Sarada who doesn't know how to feel about her family because she never gets to see her father. Her suspicions of her mother not being her mother stems from the fact that she doesn't really feel loved. You can easily see this from the fact that Sarada, while still resolute in her desire to save Sakura despite the now-false revelation of her lineage, questions her father over whether his feelings are truly connected with Sakura's or not.

      I would actually argue that this was very smart of the author. Not because I believe it's brilliant writing or anything like that, but it allows him to have a more realistic Sarada. It would be strange to have her feel like nothing is wrong when her father is never home. So in order to resolve this without having to factually change that 1. Sasuke is her father and 2. Sakura is her birth mother, he introduces a mini-arc to help develop her and curb her of a reasonable insecurity.

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    • Sakurakouji wrote: It's not a canceled out plot twist if stuff actually happens. What we perceived as a plot twist was simply a red herring used to help develop a character (ie. have Sarada's insecurities regarding family be resolved). You say cancel out, but that choice of word implies that the plot twist had no impact, which is what the person you've been butting heads with has been trying to argue.

      When you say canceled out, it implies that you think the plot twist was pointless and did nothing. But we don't end where we began, because Sarada was changed by the twist, even if it turned out not to be real.

      Without the brief moment of angst presented by the twist, you have Sarada who doesn't know how to feel about her family because she never gets to see her father. Her suspicions of her mother not being her mother stems from the fact that she doesn't really feel loved. You can easily see this from the fact that Sarada, while still resolute in her desire to save Sakura despite the now-false revelation of her lineage, questions her father over whether his feelings are truly connected with Sakura's or not.

      I would actually argue that this was very smart of the author. Not because I believe it's brilliant writing or anything like that, but it allows him to have a more realistic Sarada. It would be strange to have her feel like nothing is wrong when her father is never home. So in order to resolve this without having to factually change that 1. Sasuke is her father and 2. Sakura is her birth mother, he introduces a mini-arc to help develop her and curb her of a reasonable insecurity.

      First of all, the plot twist had no impact. But let's put that aside for second, because a plot twist is still cancelled out even if it causes a new scenario when you revert the situation. You twist a rubber band, your twist it in the opposite direction again, and you're where you were at the beginning, even if you hurt your thumb in the process. The only way a double plot twist wouldn't be cancelled out would be if the second twist brought in an entirely different solution as well. For example: Sakura is the mother, no it's Karin, no it's Temari. Going back to the original situation cancels the twist out though. No matter what happens inbetween. We'll be where we were and no step further. Now back to what has changed because of the twist. Nothing has changed. That was not a character development and that was not a story progress. Sarada learned that parentage doesn't have to be biological. A beautiful message indeed, just not one that concerns her. She is the biological daughter, so why would she learn to love her adoptive mother? It's like learning to accept the homosexuality of your son, although he is heterosexual. Or accepting the death of someone who isn't dead. Except that in my examples, the lesson can be used for other people too. If you can accept your son's homosexuality, even if he's heterosexual, you may be able to accept other people's homosexuality too. Or if you accept the death of someone who's well and alive, you may have an easier time processing the death of someone else. However, Sarada will always have only one mother. One biological mother. That will never change. What she learned from the situation was a lesson that even apply to her or anyone around her. It was completely pointless. The drama may have gotten her to meet her father, but its background was completely empty. Kishimoto could have very well just skipped the entire mother thing, made Sarada overhear that Sasuke is near town and do the story without the whole mother scenario. Because in the end, it was absolutely pointless anyway. It could have very well worked without the mother drama. There was absolutely no point to this. The topic of biological and non-biological parentage is something I had to go through personally, and the way Kishimoto handled delivering a message regarding that was to me more offensive than anything.

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    • I thonk you missed the part where this isn't a suspense/mystery series. You are also missing the fact that the lessons learned don't have to apply to you or anyone but the character who goes through the experience.

      When it comes down to it the author doesn't really care that you didn't take a lesson because his goal was to develop Sarada.

      One could take the lesson that you don't have to come out of someone to love them as they were your parent. Which Sarada learned and won't magically unlearn once once someone tells her the truth.

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    • Diablo- PC wrote: Guys I have a serious doubt. Did Sasuke really marry Sakura? If he did...why did he leave? Da heck is wrong with him?! And what was that picture of his former Taka all about?! This is confusing!!!

      This was the reason for this thread. Matako doesn't get what anyone says to her so I'll just leave her be. Sasuke did Marry Sakura, it wasn't shown but I think he really did. He left due to the mission, Naruto wanted to be the one to do so but Sasuke insisted since Naruto is the Hokage and needs to protect the Village. I guess everything has been answered. Also, the doubts in Sarada has been cleared and she learned a lesson from Naruto. Now she dreams of becoming a Hokage.

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    • KaizerBlazeX wrote: This was the reason for this thread.

      Many thanks for your efforts for bringing this back on topic.

      KaizerBlazeX wrote: Matako doesn't get what anyone says to her so I'll just leave her be.

      This, however, unnecessary. Matako, like everyone else, is entitled to her opinion.

      Now, let's stay on topic. And I am not asking.

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    • KaizerBlazeX wrote:

      Diablo- PC wrote: Guys I have a serious doubt. Did Sasuke really marry Sakura? If he did...why did he leave? Da heck is wrong with him?! And what was that picture of his former Taka all about?! This is confusing!!!

      This was the reason for this thread. Matako doesn't get what anyone says to her so I'll just leave her be. Sasuke did Marry Sakura, it wasn't shown but I think he really did. He left due to the mission, Naruto wanted to be the one to do so but Sasuke insisted since Naruto is the Hokage and needs to protect the Village. I guess everything has been answered. Also, the doubts in Sarada has been cleared and she learned a lesson from Naruto. Now she dreams of becoming a Hokage.

      Sasuke said himself that he is married to Sakura, but if he had not discovered a new threat related to Kaguya, he would not have left his family for years. He justified his absence because he suspected this new threat would bring harm to his daughter. He still traveled to seek redemption and Sakura convinced him to let her join him around the time she got pregnant. I guess because of his missions, he never posed for pictures with Sakura and Sarada, and Sakura had no choice but to use the Taka photo so that Sarada would at least know what her father looked like if he didn't come back any time soon.

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    • How can Sakura easily forgive Sasuke for the hell, including two attempts to kill her, he put her through and feel comfortable enough to marry and have a child with him? And why did Sasuke suddenly reciprocate her feelings in chapter 699 after ignoring her and insisting he harbored no feelings towards her for so many years? It's a twisted love story.

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    • Lilyxflower wrote: How can Sakura easily forgive Sasuke for the hell, including two attempts to kill her, he put her through and feel comfortable enough to marry and have a child with him?

      I often like to imagine that she (and Naruto) suffer from battered person syndrome or something

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    • Lilyxflower wrote: How can Sakura easily forgive Sasuke for the hell, including two attempts to kill her, he put her through and feel comfortable enough to marry and have a child with him? And why did Sasuke suddenly reciprocate her feelings in chapter 699 after ignoring her and insisting he harbored no feelings towards her for so many years? It's a twisted love story.

      Genjutsu: rinnegan is pretty powerful apparently.

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    • Naruto and Sakura realised how fucked up and misguided he was, so they forgave him. Sasuke did have feeling for Sakura, and he tried to sever those feelings. Same with Naruto. He still felt Naruto to be his friend, and for a long time to him that was his greatest weakness.

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    • WindStar7125 wrote:

      KaizerBlazeX wrote: This was the reason for this thread.

      Many thanks for your efforts for bringing this back on topic.

      KaizerBlazeX wrote: Matako doesn't get what anyone says to her so I'll just leave her be.

      This, however, unnecessary. Matako, like everyone else, is entitled to her opinion.

      Now, let's stay on topic. And I am not asking.

      No what I meant is that she doesn't get what my opinion was even though others helped me explain but it doesn't really matter so I'll just let it be and move on to discussing more about what the thread is about.

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