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  • Both characters have full chakra!

    Battle to the KO!

    Let the opinions fly in! GOOOO!!!!!!!

    (Please breakdown your opinions properly,and not just state who because they possess, such and such of a power. Try and give fairplay to both sides, explain what both sides may do well and not so well and ultimately why you have picked the character you go for. This is so no one talks dismissvely about the characters, especially for Kurotsuchi, acknowledging the fact that she is not a huge player in the series.)


    (To make it as fair as possible, I will go with the 4th Shinobi War versions of both characters, because if its taken from the point of view in the time where Boruto:The Movie takes place, its hard to distinguish who's more skilled, as we don't really have an indication as to how powerful Shikamaru is at that point, even though he seems to be in an advisory position to Naruto, whereas Kurotsuchi has become the 4th Tsuchikage by then, which would mean or at least indicate she must have gotten stronger since the war.)

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    • LOL Shikamaru's up against another Kunoichi. This is a good fight but its also gonna be about how highly do people regard Shikamaru's Intelligence. Do both of them know of each others abilities?? And what are Kurotsuchi feats??

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    • Ishi208 wrote: LOL Shikamaru's up against another Kunoichi. This is a good fight but its also gonna be about how highly do people regard Shikamaru's Intelligence. Do both of them know of each others abilities?? And what are Kurotsuchi feats??

      well, in terms of the nature releases, her abilities include lava, fire, earth and water release. From what we are shown, she seems to have a very good mastery of Earth release and lava release, but more so on earth release. She is known to be skilled in kenjutsu and taijutsu also, and having sharp reflexes. She possesses great physical strength, but we don't really see that until she becomes Tsuchikage and she is said to be the best genjutsu user amongst her kage peers during her time as a kage. However, the last two points about her strength and genjutsu can't be used, as we see them in Boruto:The Movie, which I said can't be used as a talking point for this particular post.

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    • I say Shikamaru wins at this point in time. Although she is a Jonin and he is a Chunin, Temari clearly stated he could have been Jonin easily if he were not lazy...proven further when he is made Gaara's Proxy for the 4th Division in the War. No mere Chunin would be given a High Ranking Status unless they were above that level.

      In Taijutsu, Kurotsuchi wins, however he is very quick and smart, and will lure and Immobilize her with Shadows. From then on, no matter what Kekkei Genkai or Ninjutsu Earth n Water styles she possess, it'd be hopeless...Shika was able to use a shadow strong enough to completely manipulate a Super Expanded Choji with ease, so what is Kurotsuchi in this case? DEFEATED.

      In a Summary, the start of the match goes to her, since she has more fire power, but Shika loves to run and dodge to drag out the match, thus luring her and wearing her out...till he eventually gets her.

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    • Kyle Ethan wrote: I say Shikamaru wins at this point in time. Although she is a Jonin and he is a Chunin, Temari clearly stated he could have been Jonin easily if he were not lazy...proven further when he is made Gaara's Proxy for the 4th Division in the War. No mere Chunin would be given a High Ranking Status unless they were above that level.

      In Taijutsu, Kurotsuchi wins, however he is very quick and smart, and will lure and Immobilize her with Shadows. From then on, no matter what Kekkei Genkai or Ninjutsu Earth n Water styles she possess, it'd be hopeless...Shika was able to use a shadow strong enough to completely manipulate a Super Expanded Choji with ease, so what is Kurotsuchi in this case? DEFEATED.

      In a Summary, the start of the match goes to her, since she has more fire power, but Shika loves to run and dodge to drag out the match, thus luring her and wearing her out...till he eventually gets her.

      Great breakdown of how you think the fight would go, I too would go for Shikamaru. While not always showing that he is as good as he is truly said to be, his intellect is outstanding (not suprising since his father was a master strategist and had a brilliant mind) and his reflexes are second to none, when pushed. Ultimately, I think its a brain vs brawn battle, not saying that Kurotsuchi is not smart, I'm pretty sure she is, but no where near Shikamaru's lvl to be honest.

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    • The problem is we don't really know her intellect at all. We know that a high level of intellect is required to use Genjutsu, so we know she at least has the intellect for it, if not the ability at this point.

      Really, we haven't seen enough of her to give her a fair fight against Shikamaru.

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    • AsianReaper wrote: The problem is we don't really know her intellect at all. We know that a high level of intellect is required to use Genjutsu, so we know she at least has the intellect for it, if not the ability at this point.

      Really, we haven't seen enough of her to give her a fair fight against Shikamaru.

      Do genjutsu necessarily require high intelligence? I mean, would a retarded Sharingan user still be able to use Genjutsu: Sharingan or Tsukuyomi since they are Kekkei Genkai?

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    • Tengen Toppa Ita-Sasuke wrote: I mean, would a retarded Sharingan user still be able to use Genjutsu: Sharingan or Tsukuyomi since they are Kekkei Genkai?

      I'm sorry, but this is a legitimate funny question, lol. But it's also a legitimate good one. I think someone would require some form of intelligence to be able to use his or her abilities

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    • UltimaDude wrote:

      Tengen Toppa Ita-Sasuke wrote: I mean, would a retarded Sharingan user still be able to use Genjutsu: Sharingan or Tsukuyomi since they are Kekkei Genkai?

      I'm sorry, but this is a legitimate funny question, lol. But it's also a legitimate good one. I think someone would require some form of intelligence to be able to use his or her abilities

      I know this is way off topic but, does that mean that it's not enough to know that one can perform certain techniques in order to actually use them?

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    • Jiraiya said that Genjutsu required a high level of intellect, which is why he and Naruto wouldn't be good users of it.

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    • seriously.. why the question?

      even OP knows kuro is too OP and tries to make it "fair" by downgrading her abilities, when OP knows her extensive skillset.

      shika is a good strategist, not a good fighter, he dragged it out with temari, and temari saved him from the sound 4 girl. in shippuden he needed a lot of prep work in his own territory to kill hidan. no feat in the war arc, blame kishi lol.

      kuro is also a good strategist in her short amount of screentime, being deceptive in her face off against kabuto and trapping him in the turtle island.

      ten years pass or not, he can't fight kuro full on, he simply has shown no feat to counter her destructive lava/water jutsu. and if shika needs time to prep for a second fight, kuro should be allowed time to prep too, it's not fair otherwise.

      Kyle Ethan wrote: I say Shikamaru wins at this point in time. Although she is a Jonin and he is a Chunin, Temari clearly stated he could have been Jonin easily if he were not lazy...proven further when he is made Gaara's Proxy for the 4th Division in the War. No mere Chunin would be given a High Ranking Status unless they were above that level.

      kuro was onoki's attendant for the kage's meeting, she's also a high ranking shinobi.

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    • Madao4life wrote: seriously.. why the question?

      even OP knows kuro is too OP and tries to make it "fair" by downgrading her abilities, when OP knows her extensive skillset.

      shika is a good strategist, not a good fighter, he dragged it out with temari, and temari saved him from the sound 4 girl. in shippuden he needed a lot of prep work in his own territory to kill hidan. no feat in the war arc, blame kishi lol.

      kuro is also a good strategist in her short amount of screentime, being deceptive in her face off against kabuto and trapping him in the turtle island.

      ten years pass or not, he can't fight kuro full on, he simply has shown no feat to counter her destructive lava/water jutsu. and if shika needs time to prep for a second fight, kuro should be allowed time to prep too, it's not fair otherwise.

      Kyle Ethan wrote: I say Shikamaru wins at this point in time. Although she is a Jonin and he is a Chunin, Temari clearly stated he could have been Jonin easily if he were not lazy...proven further when he is made Gaara's Proxy for the 4th Division in the War. No mere Chunin would be given a High Ranking Status unless they were above that level.

      kuro was onoki's attendant for the kage's meeting, she's also a high ranking shinobi.

      So what exactly are Kurotsuchi's feats?

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    • ^being deceptive in her face off against kabuto and trapping him in the turtle island with lava/water jutsu and trapping/killing zetsus with her earth jutsu.

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    • @Madao4life, I wanna remind you that Shikamaru was a Genin when he faced Tayuya, who was Jonin level. The fact that he pushed her that far shows that hes pretty good in battle

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    • AsianReaper wrote: @Madao4life, I wanna remind you that Shikamaru was a Genin when he faced Tayuya, who was Jonin level. The fact that he pushed her that far shows that hes pretty good in battle

      Plot. And even that didn't help him win, he had to be saved. Practically the whole fight, Shikamaru was running and hiding and thinking of a plan. It's not like the whole battle he was going at it with Tayuya.

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    • Rachin123 wrote:

      AsianReaper wrote: @Madao4life, I wanna remind you that Shikamaru was a Genin when he faced Tayuya, who was Jonin level. The fact that he pushed her that far shows that hes pretty good in battle

      Plot. And even that didn't help him win, he had to be saved. Practically the whole fight, Shikamaru was running and hiding and thinking of a plan. It's not like the whole battle he was going at it with Tayuya.

      Oh yeah? Well he did hold his own.

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    • @Rachin yeah but he did fight her. He fought her with the battle tactics and strategies that he knew best. Obviously Tayuya would have won, but Shikamaru came very close to beating her.

      Yes, he ran and hid. But that's really his battle-style. He doesn't really have the battle prowess to go toe to toe with most other powerful Shinobi, so he runs and hides til he can finish them in one move if possible.

      The only people who won their fight with the Sound Four were Neji and Choji. Choji won because he got to be a hundred times more powerful than he was, and Neji won because not only was he a very smart Shinobi, but he had a lot of fighting skill to back him up. Shikamaru got reasonably far on basically his intelligence alone.

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    • AsianReaper wrote: The only people who won their fight with the Sound Four were Neji and Choji. Choji won because he got to be a hundred times more powerful than he was, and Neji won because not only was he a very smart Shinobi, but he had a lot of fighting skill to back him up. Shikamaru got reasonably far on basically his intelligence alone.

      (rubs eyes)

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    • AsianReaper wrote: @Madao4life, I wanna remind you that Shikamaru was a Genin when he faced Tayuya, who was Jonin level. The fact that he pushed her that far shows that hes pretty good in battle

      sure he is a good strategist but strategies can only get him so far. kuro is another strategist as well, though we don't know exactly how smart she is, she is tsuchikage material.

      you even agree that he doesn't have sufficient battle prowess so i don't know why you feel the need to disagree with me.

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    • Tengen Toppa Ita-Sasuke wrote: Oh yeah? Well he did hold his own.

      If you call running and hiding about 75% of the time holding his own then well yes he did.

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    • @Madao you made it seem like a negative that Shikamaru had to be saved from Tayuya. I just wanted to remind you that it was a Genin vs Jonin level, so he couldn't really be expected to win. He nearly did too, but he didn't have enough chakra.

      @Rachin Uhhh was I mistaken on the Sound Four thing? I meant the only ones who won their fight 1v1. Shikamaru had Temari save him and Kiba had Kankuro. Also the running and hiding thing is the way he fights in general really. Kakashi hardly ever goes to attack with his real body until he thinks he understands the enemy's ability. So why is Shikamaru faulted for the same, albeit without a clone?

      EDIT: To be clear, I kinda would lean towards Kuro anyways, seeing as how she became a kage and all. It's just I haven't seen enough of her to justify a proper argument for her winning.

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    • @Repear Shikamaru's close victory came down to 75% running and hiding, 15 % strategizing, and 10% skill.

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    • AsianReaper wrote: @Madao you made it seem like a negative that Shikamaru had to be saved from Tayuya. I just wanted to remind you that it was a Genin vs Jonin level, so he couldn't really be expected to win. He nearly did too, but he didn't have enough chakra.

      temari is a genin as well.. she neg dif tayuya the moment she showed up. simply put shika is a good strategist not a good fighter, as all his feats has shown.. i don't know why people think their faves has to be OP like narusasu.. it doesn't mean he suck, he's just skilled in another area, like rock lee.

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    • @Rachin, I'd argue that strategizing is part of his skills. Even running and hiding, he'd never be able to avoid her for so long if he wasn't skilled.

      @Madao, I'm not sure that anyone would've had trouble with Tayuya after the long battle she had been through. Not only that, Temari's abilities almost directly countered Tayuya's. So a weakened Tayuya lost to someone who had abilities that directly countered her own.

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    • @Repear Shikamaru is not a good fighter and his intelligence is overrated. Most of his wins is due to bs plot armor. Let that be the end of it that conversation.

      As for the winner, I'm going with Kurotsuchi. She has a variety of attacks that affects the very ground Shikamaru stands on and has her Lava Release and Water techniques. Her attacks will pressure him. She'd have to watch out for the shadows though but I believe she'd be able to trick aa shown she is deceptive and subdue him.

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    • @Rachin, while a disagree, fine. That's the end of that.

      I do agree that Kurotsuchi would probably win. She was assigned to be the Tsuchikage's guard for a reason; she's probably one of their most talented ninja at that point. Shikamaru, while a very good strategist, is still only a Chunin here. He may have been the Proxy Commander of Third Division, but that's more due to his ability to think rather than his battle prowess.

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    • Rachin123 wrote: @Repear Shikamaru is not a good fighter and his intelligence is overrated. Most of his wins is due to bs plot armor. Let that be the end of it that conversation.

      As for the winner, I'm going with Kurotsuchi. She has a variety of attacks that affects the very ground Shikamaru stands on and has her Lava Release and Water techniques. Her attacks will pressure him. She'd have to watch out for the shadows though but I believe she'd be able to trick aa shown she is deceptive and subdue him.

      NOT that I would see many shinobi having an IQ of more than 200.that is definitely highly exceptional no way could kurotsuchi match such an intelligence

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    • @Namikaze Yea and playing a board game somehow gives you the info needed to measure the IQ of a person, please. But I guess that's Naruto's logic. Also, Shikamaru can be really smart all he wants to but he thinks too slow for my taste. He hides to think or has his team-mates cover him to think, because he can't think while battling. Something Shino could do and why I respect him more.

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