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  • Squinty97
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    19:03, February 8, 2018

    Hokage candidate Danzo vs Part 1 Hiruzen, who would win?

    Rules: Fair fights, no plot armor, Koto is on cool down.

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    • Danzo, no contest.

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    • Hiruzen, Death Reaper Seal.

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    • ^Won't they both die then? So then it'll be a draw

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    • Danzo.

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    • Ninja Of War wrote: ^Won't they both die then? So then it'll be a draw

      Danzo still has his 10-Sharingan Izanagi, so we can't be so sure about it. I remember a discussion about Izanagi being/not being able to cancel Death Reaper Seal, but I'm still sure it must be possible.

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    • Danzo,Hiruzen Also known as The featless hokage is only hyped in part 1.

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    • I'd say Danzo, only because we have knowledge as to what his abilities are, whereas Hiruzen, we have no such evidence as to what he can truly do. He was hyped up quite a bit in the series, but its a shame we never got to see anything that would indicate why he is a worthy of holding the title of Hokage, aside from Tobirama picking him. I hope somehow, in one shape or form, more info about Hiruzen is revealed in the upcoming manga or ongoing anime, but I doubt that, since the manga has a completely different concept focusing on the new generation and the anime needs to finish up with fillers and get to the Kaguya battle arc.

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    • is danzo allowed to use kotoamatsukami? if so than why even ask this question?

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    • Narutopwnu7 wrote: Danzo,Hiruzen Also known as The featless hokage is only hyped in part 1.

      Not this again.

      Note that OP specifies Part 1 Hiruzen, AKA the version with trouble versus Orochimaru.

      Namikazenaruto9 wrote: is danzo allowed to use kotoamatsukami? if so than why even ask this question?

      No, as OP specified.

      Danzo however has Izanagi, and numerous ones at that. Hiruzen was quite strong in Part I, but i don't see him defeating Danzo ten times in a row.

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    • The only reason Hiruzen was having troubles is because of old age, which resulted in inferior physical capability and reduced chakra reserves. Hiruzen could use all nature transformations and all techniques in Konoha, including Hiden techniques of Konoha's Clans, if that's not worthy of his hype and moniker, then I don't know what is. Hiruzen was stated to have been the strongest Hokage and the strongest Kage in his reign, so pretty much the only reason why Hiruzen seems lame is because of old age. Prime Hiruzen > Hashirama apparently.

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    • While I do believe Hiruzen will fair well, Danzo having the use of Izanagi 10 times over is bad for Hiruzen. Sasuke was lucky he had Susanoo to protect him. Sasuke also only beat him due to plot. Even Sasuke said he was lucky to have survived. I hate how people try to use this battle as a means to downplay Danzo when Danzo was more than enough to take down Sasuke. The fact that when Danzo dies, he reappears anywhere he wants (mostly). Like sneaking behind Hiruzen and stabbing him when his guard is off. Hiruzen is also not in his prime and can't have long duration fights and Danzo has he fair share of strong ninjutsu. The fact that it is Hiruzen too will make Danzo less reckless because he knows how strong and inferior Hiruzen made him feel when he was younger. Hiruzen has shown in his old age to fight off three lage level shinobi but what absolutely needed to do was seal them as he can't do prolong fights in his age condition. I'll give this one to Danzo with high difficulty. Hiruzen is sharp and is more than skilled all areas of combat but he won't be able to keep dealing with Danzo's resurrecting abilities and has no armor to stop Danzo from at some point appearing behind him to stab him.

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    • Danzo in his fight with Sasuke, was actually being pretty reckless with Izanagi, he even wasted one eye to recover from a shuriken. Imagine now against Hiruzen's shadow shuriken technique.

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    • Like I said, near the end of the fight plot definitely kicked in and made him do dumb crap. I mean he could gave wasted a life to avoid the arrow but decided to use a technique to misdirect it. He also begain coming back where he was last killed which is ridiculous because as seen he come back mostly anywhere he wanted to. The battle was enjoyable and Danzo didn't think much of Sasuke but it was not him all the times doing stupid crap. That was plot no jutsu. Also, like Tenten he can blow those shadow shuriken away with you know...wind.

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    • ^I believe that was after he deactivated Izanagi and he didn't have time to weave signs to reactivate it, so he had to use wood release to deflect the Susanoo arrow. It is true that plot took over that fight.

      How do you see the fight playing out?

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    • You mean Temari I presume. Don't forget there's Enma as a separate brain, defending Hiruzen from behind attacks.

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    • Elveonora wrote: Prime Hiruzen > Hashirama apparently.

      You can't prove this statement.

      Elveonora wrote: Hiruzen could use all nature transformations and all techniques in Konoha, including Hiden techniques of Konoha's Clans

      Yeah, he could use Rasenshuriken.

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    • Danzo wins. I don't know where to begin. This is a big mismatch.

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    • Elveonora wrote: The only reason Hiruzen was having troubles is because of old age, which resulted in inferior physical capability and reduced chakra reserves. Hiruzen could use all nature transformations and all techniques in Konoha, including Hiden techniques of Konoha's Clans, if that's not worthy of his hype and moniker, then I don't know what is. Hiruzen was stated to have been the strongest Hokage and the strongest Kage in his reign, so pretty much the only reason why Hiruzen seems lame is because of old age. Prime Hiruzen > Hashirama apparently.

      Not trying to dissapoint you,but all of this got retconnect in part 2 and in databook 4,just saying....

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    • Elveonora wrote: The only reason Hiruzen was having troubles is because of old age, which resulted in inferior physical capability and reduced chakra reserves.

      Yea but last time i checked, Part I hiruzen referred to exactly that.

      This isn't Prime Hiruzen vs Danzo. This is "Barely beat Orochimaru" vs Danzo.

      Rachin123 wrote: Like I said, near the end of the fight plot definitely kicked in and made him do dumb crap.

      Danzo knew he couldn't win the fight without Koto. The moment he actually was at risk of killing Sasuke, Obito was already about to intervene. Danzo was fully aware that "madara" would not allow him to win.

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    • Narutopwnu7 wrote: Not trying to dissapoint you,but all of this got retconnect in part 2 and in databook 4,just saying....

      Except it hasn't, it comes from 4th databook.

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    • Danzo wins ,old Hiruzen doesn't have anything that Danzo Couldn't deal with,if that was Young hiruzen is more than likely that he Could beat Danzo ass,the only thing that hiruzen can use to kill Danzo is the death reper seal and danzo probably could just izanagi that.I believe that It was mentioned in the 4 Databook that Danzo have Healing powers thanks to Hashirama cells,but correct me If i'm wrong.I don't see Hiruzen winning this one.

      it is funny how the only thing that people can use to speak on Hiruzen favor is that 'he is the strongest Hokage bullshit'.no one is able to support a convincing explanation on how he would win.

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    • Kratos123456 wrote: Danzo wins ,old Hiruzen doesn't have anything that Danzo Couldn't deal with,if that was Young hiruzen is more than likely that he Could beat Danzo ass,the only thing that hiruzen can use to kill Danzo is the death reper seal and danzo probably could just izanagi that.I believe that It was mentioned in the 4 Databook that Danzo have Healing powers thanks to Hashirama cells,but correct me If i'm wrong.I don't see Hiruzen winning this one.

      it is funny how the only thing that people can use to speak on Hiruzen favor is that 'he is the strongest Hokage bullshit'.no one is able to support a convincing explanation on how he would win.

      Danzo doesn't have healing powers, if he did he wouldn't have lost to Sasuke the way he did.

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    • ^^weird I believe that I saw it somewhere,it is here in the wiki as well.He is listed as an user in the regeneration ability page.

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    • Elveonora wrote: Prime Hiruzen > Hashirama apparently.

      Oh no. Not this shit again -_-

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    • BakumatsuWarrior wrote:

      Elveonora wrote: Prime Hiruzen > Hashirama apparently.

      Oh no. Not this shit again -_-

      Be prapared to the(kishimoto beat all of your opinions/kishimoto said so)

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    • @Kratos123456: Yeah that's inevitable. What's surprising is that Elveonora is saying this. The only guy I know who makes this particular claim is QuakingStar. Did he somehow hack Elveonora's account?

      Either way, Kishi's facts beat my opinions, so I'll just shut my mouth :D

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    • We haven't really seen much of prime Hiruzen in action, so it's hard to make an argument siding with him. His "feats" are what is listed in the databook, which claims that he was the strongest Hokage during his prime. I don't see how this is so hard to understand. Elveonora doesn't have anything to back up his claims because prime Hiruzen was never seen in extensive combat, only in his old age.

      We've only seen the two of them in one extensive fight each, so it's hard to really say "oh he'll definitely win!" when you don't know everything they have in their arsenal. Hiruzen didn't really display much (compared to the hype he was given in the DBs) in his fight with Oro besides Enma and reaper death seal, whilst Danzo displayed the use of Izanagi, his summon Baku, wood release, and various wind release techniques.

      I'll go with a draw.

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    • All I can say is apparently Danzo ages better than Hiruzen, because Hiruzen was stated to be stronger than Danzo when they were younger.

      Thing is though, do we know for sure that Danzo had the Sharingan implants in Part 1? I don't remember if it was confirmed or not. Also, maybe his abilities were enhanced later, and maybe that's why in Part 2 he would seem much more powerful than Hiruzen.

      Or maybe he just aged way better and this fight is all his. Who knows.

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    • I would say the reason why Danzo 'aged better' were Hashirama's cells.

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    • I still think Hiruzen would win. With Enma there, Danzo won't be able to blindside Hiruzen with Izanagi. Since they are former teammates, they should know each other's abilities, though Hiruzen would be surprised with Izanagi. Should be an epic fight, but I think it would be a battle of stamina.

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    • Arguments about knowing more jutsu is okay but how is hiruzen going to kill danzo during that duration when Izanagi is active, is FTG alone good enough? also for those who are saying that we all are underestimating danzo, if danzo is so strong why didn't he kill hiruzen himself to become hokage? also I think that hiruzen does know about that Izanagi stuff!

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    • @Namikaze Same reason he didn't kill Tsunade. Unless you are saying Tsunade can beat Danzo. He was a decent man so he showed respect to the Hokage.

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    • Rachin123 wrote: @Namikaze Same reason he didn't kill Tsunade. Unless you are saying Tsunade can beat Danzo. He was a decent man so he showed respect to the Hokage.

      perhaps danzo got over it or perhaps he got tired of trying to assassinate hiruzen.(or perhaps he didn't know complete extent 0f 100 seal mark or whatever also she didn't had long reign in front of him so that could be another reason) also I would also like to point out hiruzen was the strongest kage of his time, I would like to point out the kages of hiruzen's time as hokage included Onoki,3rd and 4th raikage,yagura, the kazekage(both 3rd and 4th).not only that he took down 3 kage level opponent at once.so I am just pointing out that only they haven't shown hiruzen's full abilities unlike danzo!

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    • Why are we having this Prime Hiruzen argument when OP specified Part 1 Hiruzen?

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    • Thekillman wrote: Why are we having this Prime Hiruzen argument when OP specified Part 1 Hiruzen?

      I haven't written anything about prime hiruzen I am simply quoting wiki "He was regarded as the strongest Hokage in Konoha's history,[6] and the most powerful of the Five Kage during his life."the only flaw was he was never showed with many feats in the show that's all I said.

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    • Namikazenaruto9 wrote:

      Thekillman wrote: Why are we having this Prime Hiruzen argument when OP specified Part 1 Hiruzen?

      I haven't written anything about prime hiruzen I am simply quoting wiki "He was regarded as the strongest Hokage in Konoha's history,[6] and the most powerful of the Five Kage during his life."the only flaw was he was never showed with many feats in the show that's all I said.

      Kabuto explained why people believe he was the strongest hokage,and this theread is not about prime Hiruzen...

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    • Hiruzen

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    • Honestly I don't see a way for 79 year old Hiruzen to win this, Danzo is just too powerful for Hiruzen to stand up against. Prime Hiruzen might win, but not elderly Hiruzen.

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      • 69 years old.
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    • Narutopwnu7 wrote:

      • 69 years old.

      makes little difference Danzo still wins.

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    • In all honesty,Old Hiruzen would win against Danzo. Hiruzen handled the first two Kages which were reanimated. Hiruzen could also use Enma and it could kinda unbalance the fight. Honestly though,how many times did Danzo have to use Izanagi just to beat Sasuke? Sasuke just awakened the MS.It is also noted that Danzō couldn’t use Hashirama’s DNA properly so he couldn’t do the complete form of Izanagi.When Danzo and Obito used Izanagi, the eyes that cast the technique closed their eyelids as an indication of their blindness. Of course,Danzo had many eyes however if he used Izanagi too much just to beat Sasuke,which he didn’t,Hiruzen won’t have a problem. If Danzo does the same,eventually all of Danzo’s eyes will be closed and Hiruzen would have the advantage here. Another way he could win is Death Reaper Seal. And if Danzo just appears behind Hiruzen with Izanagi,as I have stated earlier,he can use Enma to protect him from the back.And also Kratos123456,about that thing where people use to speak on Hiruzen favor that “He is the strongest Hokage bullshit” Well,I haven’t used that to back up my evidence,how surprising. I have used solid evidence and proof to state why Old Hiruzen would win this.

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