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  • How would you rate Episode 462?
     
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    The poll was created at 10:55 on May 26, 2016, and so far 131 people voted.

    As always, no illegal links and/or asking about where to watch the episode!

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    • Interesting episode. It diverges quite a bit here what with Kaguya being directly confronted and what not, and the Juubi somehow being a separate entity even though the Manga made clear it's not.


      It couldn't be more vague about what happened to the Juubi exactly though. At what point did Hagoromo become jinchuriki here?

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    • Thekillman wrote: It couldn't be more vague about what happened to the Juubi exactly though. At what point did Hagoromo become jinchuriki here?

      I think he took the Tailed Beasts into himself after showing them to Hamura, which means that at this moment technically he became a TTJ.

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    • Hagoromo's Mangekyō Sharingan is his forehead dot??? Also i guess that 3rd Ōtsutsuki Clan member was Kinshiki's guardian he mentioned in the movie.

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    • And thus horribly butchered filler ends... Thank god.

      I mean seriously, Sharingan is one thing, but Mangekyō Sharingan?! Kaguya and Ten-Tails were two different beings, even though Hagoromo and Hamura fought only Ten-Tails?! Yeah, #$@% that.

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    • I also wondered what Hagoromo meant by saying he awakened his MS thanks to Kaguya. Moreover, it's a bit odd to see Hagoromo using Susanoo, although the scene against Ten-Tails was surely epic. Plus, I'd like to know what's the setting of the "Ninshu" titled episode 464, if BZ already concluded his tale in this one.

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    • Surprising I thought the red thing on Hagoromo's forehead was just a tatoo turns out it was Mangekyo Sharingan and He even has his own Susanoo.

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    • Good episode. And we have a little mystery on our hands. Who is the third Otsutsuki who wants to take back Kaguya? It is clearly that the one in the middle is Momoshiki and the one on the right is Kinshiki. But who is the one on the left?

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    • ^ Easy, his name is Fillershiki.

      Seriously, people... (>_<)

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    • LordofBraxis wrote: Good episode. And we have a little mystery on our hands. Who is the third Otsutsuki who wants to take back Kaguya? It is clearly that the one in the middle is Momoshiki and the one on the right is Kinshiki. But who is the one on the left?

      Well, in the Boruto movie, Kinshiki mentioned that he had a guardian akin to him being Momoshiki's guardian at that time, and he proposed Momoshiki to absorb him "as he did with his guardian before", so it must be this absorbed Kinshiki's guardian I guess.

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    • There are 3 silhouette of Otsutsuki clan, who is the guy on the left?

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    • Ravenlot 27 wrote:

      LordofBraxis wrote: Good episode. And we have a little mystery on our hands. Who is the third Otsutsuki who wants to take back Kaguya? It is clearly that the one in the middle is Momoshiki and the one on the right is Kinshiki. But who is the one on the left?

      Well, in the Boruto movie, Kinshiki mentioned that he had a guardian akin to him being Momoshiki's guardian at that time, and he proposed Momoshiki to absorb him "as he did with his guardian before", so it must be this absorbed Kinshiki's guardian I guess.

      Good theory, but it could possibly be a new antagonist? Not for Naruto, but for the new Boruto manga?

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    • Or how about it's just Studio Pierrot's typical filler dumping?

      This is why I hate fillers...

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    • So after watchting that, here are some questions that popped up in my head. Who was that thrid Otsutsuki member shown alongside Momoshinki and Kinshiki? How exactly did Hagoromo awaken the Rinnegan? Was it like the Sharigan and MS, awakened by trauma but only if you have Hagoromo's special chakra in this case? Was sage chakra also necessary? Kaguya didn't merge with the Shinju?? So she was sealed separetly, not the ten-tails. So where did the Gedo statue come from? Does Kaguya turn into a giant statue when she is "depowered". I always thought the ten-tails was the combination of Kaguya and the Shinju, and the gedo statue is the ten-tails but with most of it's chakra extracted. Apparently not. I thought Hagoromo was inspired by his son Ashura, much later in his life, to divide the ten-tail's chakra into nine, in spirit of co-operation. (Also they didn't show Hagoromo "absorbing" the ten tails chakra, just the tree disintergrating.) Why would the tree disintergrate? Is it because Kaguya ate a chakre fruit from it forming some sort of connection, so when she was sealed, it lost it's power? Why did it take so long for Madara to awaken the Rinnegan, why was it only at the end of his life. Also, if the Gedo statue was summoned away to earth, don't you think the few Otsutsuki guarding it at the time would be like: "Well where'd that go? Oh well". Maybe that last one can be explained simply by the passing of time and the Clan on the moon being distorted in their views, and being controlled by the branch family as seen in The Last. Overall, enjoyable. I was expecting more of the fight, to be honest. Did not expect "Mangekyo Sharigan and Susanoo". And, perhaps unfortunately yet as expected, more questions than answers. Well back to the final fight for a few more episdoes anyway. Oh, and if anyone has any insight to some of these questions, please share.

      @Sarutobii2 I was hoping the dot would be related to Sage Jutsu, considering another sage master, Hashirama, has a dot pattern on his forward. Only in Sage Mode, sure, but still.

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    • My one question how did Hamura acquire the TSB staff? I don't want to know that lets just leave it to Kishimoto because it's not job of animators. I have a feeling that Kishimoto might be involved with Studio Pierrot, I mean how could they add 3rd Otsutsuki member and other stuff like a hint.

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    • I don't really know what to say, I'm still too confused about what I just saw. I'm not half as enthusiastic about finding mistakes and errors in the series' past events as so many others are, but this version...it didn't made a lot of sense, did it?

      At least the new soundtrack still rocks. The rest was just a confusing mess.

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    • JouXIII wrote: This is why I hate fillers...

      No need to repeat yourself in every episode discussion each week, we get it already.

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    • Well, there's one positive thing I can say: the name of episode represents very well the nature of these filler episodes.

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    • aside from the horrible animation and inconsistencies, this was a pretty good episode

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    • Ok, I was defending this filler and all, but WHAT THE? Shoot me now someone...

      1. So Kaguya got sealed, check and Madara later summoned back Demonic Statue, so sure, then I guess Demonic Statue = just Kaguya depowered?
      2. If the Shinju turned into the Ten-Tails and is a separate entity from Kaguya and then it got turned into 9 Tailed Beasts...
      3. The first time Shinju/Ten-Tails and Kaguya (as Demonic Statue) got merged, was during the 4th war?
      4. Which would mean that the Ten-Tails was originally the Shinju going mad, but in the 4th war alone, it's Shinju/Ten-Tails merged with Demonic Statue/Kaguya??
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    • Jawnaphino wrote: So after watchting that, here are some questions that popped up in my head. Who was that thrid Otsutsuki member shown alongside Momoshinki and Kinshiki? How exactly did Hagoromo awaken the Rinnegan? Was it like the Sharigan and MS, awakened by trauma but only if you have Hagoromo's special chakra in this case? Was sage chakra also necessary? Kaguya didn't merge with the Shinju?? So she was sealed separetly, not the ten-tails. So where did the Gedo statue come from? Does Kaguya turn into a giant statue when she is "depowered". I always thought the ten-tails was the combination of Kaguya and the Shinju, and the gedo statue is the ten-tails but with most of it's chakra extracted. Apparently not. I thought Hagoromo was inspired by his son Ashura, much later in his life, to divide the ten-tail's chakra into nine, in spirit of co-operation. (Also they didn't show Hagoromo "absorbing" the ten tails chakra, just the tree disintergrating.) Why would the tree disintergrate? Is it because Kaguya ate a chakre fruit from it forming some sort of connection, so when she was sealed, it lost it's power? Why did it take so long for Madara to awaken the Rinnegan, why was it only at the end of his life. Also, if the Gedo statue was summoned away to earth, don't you think the few Otsutsuki guarding it at the time would be like: "Well where'd that go? Oh well". Maybe that last one can be explained simply by the passing of time and the Clan on the moon being distorted in their views, and being controlled by the branch family as seen in The Last. Overall, enjoyable. I was expecting more of the fight, to be honest. Did not expect "Mangekyo Sharigan and Susanoo". And, perhaps unfortunately yet as expected, more questions than answers. Well back to the final fight for a few more episdoes anyway. Oh, and if anyone has any insight to some of these questions, please share.

      @Sarutobii2 I was hoping the dot would be related to Sage Jutsu, considering another sage master, Hashirama, has a dot pattern on his forward. Only in Sage Mode, sure, but still.


      It's explained a few posts above. Well the event that triggered it was him killing his own brother. That's the process of obtaining a MS, but seeing as Hagoromo is Kaguya's son, and that he was able to fight her and the Juubi for a month, I don't see it being impossible, though only for him. Not to mention he ha special sage chakra. Nope. I'm not sure on that one. As for Madara, well, because it is maybe a lengthy process? It was never stated that at the exact moment you combine Indra and Ashura's DNA you awaken the Rinnegan.

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    • seriuosly guys if you dont like the epiode dont watch it!! I gave it 5/5

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    • Not everyone can magically form an opinion of something they never even watched. Having a negative opinion is allowed, thus I ask you not to put anyone down who's opinion doesn't match yours. Thank you. :)

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    • I just wonder how we are going to handle all this Seel.

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    • Manga > anime, as usual.

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    • Elveonora wrote: Ok, I was defending this filler and all, but WHAT THE? Shoot me now someone...

      1. So Kaguya got sealed, check and Madara later summoned back Demonic Statue, so sure, then I guess Demonic Statue = just Kaguya depowered?

      Wasn´t this already implied on manga chapter 690?

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    • I think Elveonora meant that in the manga, Juubi was presented as a single merged entity of Kaguya and God Tree. When it got robbed out of chakra, it became the DSoOP, while it's chakra was sealed inside Hagoromo and later the Tailed Beasts were formed from it. In this episode, only the God Tree turned into Juubi, while Kaguya remained separated from it, still it in her human form, and Hag/Ham used the SP-CT only on Kaguya herself. So, according to the episode, Kaguya and God Tree became a single entity only during the FSWW.

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    • I don't see any contradictions to manga, Kaguya was Ten-Tails, if she is independent sealing her is quite easy.

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    • Mecha Naruto wrote: Surprising I thought the red thing on Hagoromo's forehead was just a tatoo turns out it was Mangekyo Sharingan and He even has his own Susanoo.

      Yeah... More like Madara's Susanoo with a color change and beard....

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    • The one part of the filler they should've expanded (the actual fight) was not expanded enough.

      Welp. 7.8 - too much retcon.

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    • sad that Hamura got no showings of anything and his brother gets bloody susanoo on top of everything else

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    • Is this the end of the Kaguya fillers?

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    • Hagoromo w/Susanoo & Sharingan incoming being used in VS battle incoming...

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    • Hadrimon wrote: sad that Hamura got no showings of anything and his brother gets bloody susanoo on top of everything else

      True, it's like Hamura's biggest achievement was getting killed so his brother could become literally god.

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    • what happened to gedo mazou? i remember kurama said obito was experiencing the same thing hagoromo did when he took the tailed beast out of him. so is it sealed in the moon already? cause o thought its supposed to be inside hagoromo?

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    • This episode is not so good.

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    • Haxs wrote: what happened to gedo mazou? i remember kurama said obito was experiencing the same thing hagoromo did when he took the tailed beast out of him. so is it sealed in the moon already? cause o thought its supposed to be inside hagoromo?

      There's a lot of inconsistencies with this issue even without this episode, just in the manga. According to Kurama - yeah, Hagoromo split the T-T chakra into the Tailed Beasts, then extracted Gedo Mazou from himself and chibaku-tenseied it, turning it into the moon. But when we got the recollections of these events from Hagoromo/Kaguya, we have an another scene - Hag/Ham chibaku-tenseied Kaguya, all her chakra was extracted in the process and sealed inside Hagoromo and all what remained was her depowered form, i.e. the Statue, which got sealed into the Moon already then. All this could be just called a retcon.

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    • Gedo Mazou is in the moon. Hagoromo has the tailed beast inside him in this episode, they didn't show the part when he extracts the tailed beast out of his body.

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    • Mecha Naruto wrote: Gedo Mazou is in the moon. Hagoromo has the tailed beast inside him in this episode, they didn't show the part when he extracts the tailed beast out of his body.

      Kaguya is in Moon... Hagoromo just said that he split the TT in 9 souls... Kaguya became the Mazo...

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    • Ravenlot 27 wrote: There's a lot of inconsistencies with this issue even without this episode, just in the manga. According to Kurama - yeah, Hagoromo split the T-T chakra into the Tailed Beasts, then extracted Gedo Mazou from himself and chibaku-tenseied it, turning it into the moon. But when we got the recollections of these events from Hagoromo/Kaguya, we have an another scene - Hag/Ham chibaku-tenseied Kaguya, all her chakra was extracted in the process and sealed inside Hagoromo and all what remained was her depowered form, i.e. the Statue, which got sealed into the Moon already then. All this could be just called a retcon.

      I don't think Kurama specifies that the Gedo statue is CT'd. The latter explanation is the correct one. Hagoromo simply summoned the Gedo from the moon, used it to survive Biju extraction and then put it back where it belonged.

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    • If Shinju became the Ten-Tails and then 9 Tailed Beasts and Kaguya became the Demonic Statue and they were separate, why then Demonic Statue + 9 Tailed Beasts = Ten-Tails????

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    • I'm convinced that Studio Pierrot has a mole somewhere on this wiki and every time we start to make sense of something, they report back so a filler like this can come out just to fuck with us.

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    • Thekillman wrote: I don't think Kurama specifies that the Gedo statue is CT'd. The latter explanation is the correct one. Hagoromo simply summoned the Gedo from the moon, used it to survive Biju extraction and then put it back where it belonged.

      I have a lot of doubts regarding this theory because a) Toneri said that the Gedo Statue was stolen only once, if Hagoromo already "borrowed it", even for a while, it's unlikely that Hamura's clansmen would've overlooked that; b) according to Madara, GM summoning is techically a breakdown of the seal, and if the seal was so powerful as described, I don't think it was so easy to restore it once more, especially with Hagoromo being already on his deathbed; and c) there was actually no reason for Hagoromo to summon it and put it inside of himself - I think his stamina could've allowed him to live after the extraction for a while (he's worse than Kushina or what?), but he still didn't want to live onwards, so he didn't actually need a lot of time, especially for a simple talk with the Tailed Beasts.

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    • Oh boy, where to begin? So...

      • Kaguya eats the fruit and transforms into her current form. The Shinju randomly sprouts a second tree with an eyeball on top that serves no apparent purpose.
      • Cut to twenty or so years later, the aforementioned sprout has vanished without a trace.
      • Kaguya wills the Shinju to come alive and transform into the Ten-Tails. Hagoromo and Hamura witness this, so him saying it was trying to reclaim its lost chakra from Kaguya makes no sense anymore.
      • Hagoromo frees the people trapped in Infinite Tsukuyomi, even though he said he's only researched how to free them.
      • The White Zetsu ending up inside the Demonic Statue now makes even less sense. The Ten-Tails and all the people bound to the Shinju remained on Earth and were freed, so there shouldn't even be any Zetsu. Was Kaguya regularly consuming the developing Zetsu or something?
      • For that matter, how'd the statue end up in the moon anyway? The Ten-Tails was never even sealed in it, just Kaguya herself was.
      • The Ten-Tails withered into nothing, yet Hagoromo somehow turned its chakra into the tailed beasts. He did so before sealing them inside himself, meaning he was never a Ten-Tails jinchūriki at all, but jinchūriki of the nine instead.
      • Kurama's statement about Hagoromo surviving extraction still makes no sense.
      • Either Studio Pierrot thinks Hagoromo's forehead marking is actually an eye, or he skipped right past his Mangekyō Sharingan without us seeing it, and said marking just appeared for some other reason.
      • The markings on Hagoromo's and Hamura's backs are missing all episode, and the origin of Six Path Senjutsu and the Yin/Yang powers was never addressed at all. We don't know how Hamura acquired his Truth-Seeking Balls or if he was just borrowing Hagoromo's to fight the Ten-Tails and got his own later.
      • Did Hamura spawn his moon clan out of thin air? They have Byakugan so they must be his children, yet some looked almost as old as he was in The Last.

      I hate to say it, but it looks like all those roundabout canon discussions will need to have some merit after all. There may have been more contradictions in this single episode than the whole rest of the anime.

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    • You actually did what I wanted to do once this filler ended/ends. Thanks for that. I've yet to watch the episode (being a student can be tough at times), but I can't say I'm looking forward to it.

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    • ΚΟΜΙΞ wrote:

      Mecha Naruto wrote: Gedo Mazou is in the moon. Hagoromo has the tailed beast inside him in this episode, they didn't show the part when he extracts the tailed beast out of his body.

      Kaguya is in Moon... Hagoromo just said that he split the TT in 9 souls... Kaguya became the Mazo...

      Kaguya is Ten-Tails like Black Zetsu said, Hagoromo took the chakra of Ten-Tails and made 9 souls, the main body is the demonic statue which is in the moon. The tailed beasts are still inside him. The extraction part was not shown in the episode, it is the event where he dies as shown in "The Last." I should have written Tailed beasts instead of just tailed beast :)

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    • On the positive side, it was nice seeing a nod to Momoshiki, Kinshiki, and ____shiki(?). It's nice to know they aren't completely ignoring the movies, since these filler episodes seem to go against the backstory of The Last somewhat.

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    • If it goes:

      1. Shinju transformed into Ten-Tails
      2. Ten-Tails split into 9 Tailed Beasts
      3. Kaguya got depowered into Demonic Statue
      4. Demonic Statue + 9 Tailed Beasts = Ten-Tails again for whatever reason

      Do we now say that the Ten-Tails is originally Shinju turned monster controlled by Kaguya? Do we now finally say that Kaguya is the Demonic Statue? And does this all mean... that Kaguya in the 4th War was actually Ten-Tails Jinchuuriki?

      This filler has fucked up the canon even more than Kishi did

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    • ^ And you realized this now?

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    • Let's just pretend that this episode did not happen, shall we? ;D

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    • Elveonora wrote:

      1. Shinju transformed into Ten-Tails
      2. Ten-Tails split into 9 Tailed Beasts
      3. Kaguya got depowered into Demonic Statue
      4. Demonic Statue + 9 Tailed Beasts = Ten-Tails again for whatever reason

      Don't forget:

      1. Ten-Tails + scattered human chakra = Kaguya again
      2. Kaguya with destabilised chakra = Rabbit thing
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    • Considering Madara needed to absorb the Shinju Tree, which was Kaguya talking to him telekinetically telling him to do so in order to heal and prepare further for I.T. then I guess its not far off.

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    • Glad to see some people finally understanding how badly these episodes veered off course from the manga.

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    • Let's also not forget that Obito ejected the Ten-Tails from his body and transformed it into the flowering Shinju, while the Demonic Statue was later extracted from him and turned into... the Ten-Tails. Meaning that for a brief time, the Ten-Tails (and its Rinne Sharingan) literally existed in two places at once.

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    • Yeah, I also had an idea about Kaguya and Ten-Tails as separate entities paralleling almost the same situation with Obito while being a TTJ and using some special Tailed Beast Mode.

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    • Mecha Naruto wrote:

      ΚΟΜΙΞ wrote:

      Mecha Naruto wrote: Gedo Mazou is in the moon. Hagoromo has the tailed beast inside him in this episode, they didn't show the part when he extracts the tailed beast out of his body.

      Kaguya is in Moon... Hagoromo just said that he split the TT in 9 souls... Kaguya became the Mazo...

      Kaguya is Ten-Tails like Black Zetsu said, Hagoromo took the chakra of Ten-Tails and made 9 souls, the main body is the demonic statue which is in the moon. The tailed beasts are still inside him. The extraction part was not shown in the episode, it is the event where he dies as shown in "The Last." I should have written Tailed beasts instead of just tailed beast :)

      By the episode's logic that doesn't apply... BZ said in the epsiode that Kaguya and the Ten Tails are not the same being... Six Paths Chibaku Tensei sealed Kaguya and she was not the Ten Tails at all...

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    • I'm so confused.. So, Hagoromo went from having a Sharingan to Rinnegan+Forehead dojutsu?? Can you skip a process (MS) based on how bad a traumatizing event effects you??It would've been better/made more sense if he first activated MS since dojutsu gets watered down overtime so it'd made sense for Uchihas to start out with Sharingan but Hagoromo began ahead. Where did Hamura and Hagoromo get their staff? I thought you needed 10 tails chakra in order to obtain it.

      How Hagoromo and Hamura defeated Kaguya wasn't detailed at all, all we got to see is Hagoromo using Perfect Susano'o and Hamura is still neigh featless. And they didn't notice BZ? Like c'mon. Also, we literally SAW Madara create BZ with his hand and implant it onto the White Zetsu, so apparently BZ can hide inside of a person's body now??

      I'm guessing the White Zetsu are the first pair of people put under IT, but if White zetsu's are really the result of IT then how did Hashirama's cells enhance them before the war?? Remember, Kabuto and Obito exploited Hashirama's DNA inside of Yamato to make the White Zetsu stronger. I find it funny though, they show a bunch of irrelevant filler beforehand that takes forever but when it comes to a canon filler or one that'll have some actual meaning or true relevance they rush through it. Lol.

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    • XShadyShadow wrote: Also, we literally SAW Madara create BZ with his hand and implant it onto the White Zetsu, so apparently BZ can hide inside of a person's body now??

      That was part of BZ's plan to manipulate Madara. He did it deliberately to conceal that he was really the will of Kaguya, that has been known for a long time now.

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    • I wonder what the importance of Madara absorbing the Shinju was.

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    • I think it was pretty neat how we got to see the exact nature of Madara surviving his and Hashirama's battle. And the actions he took to ensure he'd survive no matter what. But here's to this arc being over, some more canon coming our way I guess.

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    • Ignoring Momoshiki, whose origins are a complete unknown factor, the only known requirement to awaken the Rinnegan is Hagoromo's chakra and (according to Kabuto's hypothesis) the Sharingan. The anime just took it one step further by establishing Mangekyō Sharingan as a requirement as well. So when Hagoromo awakened the Mangekyō, his chakra immediately combined with it and became the Rinnegan. The fact that he actually knew what a Mangekyō Sharingan was when his was the first and even called it by name certainly raises some questions though.

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    • @Elveonora Once there was a tree and princess Kaguya, she ate chakra fruit which made her one with the tree as Ten-tails. She could transform the Shinju into whatever form as she and Shinju have become one. Ten-tails have many forms like the tree form and one form it which does Tenpaiichi. After Madara extracted the statue out of Obito the tree form of Shinju remained intact, the Ten-tails is not complete without the chakra of all nine tailed beast. Yeah statue + 9Tbs = Ten-tails but it doesn't mean Kaguya is Jinchuriki of Ten-tails because tailed beast chakra is also her part.

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    • Elveonora wrote: Ok, I was defending this filler and all, but WHAT THE? Shoot me now someone...

      1. So Kaguya got sealed, check and Madara later summoned back Demonic Statue, so sure, then I guess Demonic Statue = just Kaguya depowered?
      2. If the Shinju turned into the Ten-Tails and is a separate entity from Kaguya and then it got turned into 9 Tailed Beasts...
      3. The first time Shinju/Ten-Tails and Kaguya (as Demonic Statue) got merged, was during the 4th war?
      4. Which would mean that the Ten-Tails was originally the Shinju going mad, but in the 4th war alone, it's Shinju/Ten-Tails merged with Demonic Statue/Kaguya??

      I Think She Merged Her Consciousness With The Shinju And Created The Juubi, Not Literally Merged Her Body With Its Own, lol. P.S. My Theory Is That The Six Paths Chibaku Tensei Affects Anything Nearby With Its Target's Chakra In It, Which Would Explain Why The Ten Tails Was Sealed Along With Kaguya.

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    • Omnibender wrote: Glad to see some people finally understanding how badly these episodes veered off course from the manga.

      I think it's hilarious how one episode made criticism directed towards the fillers socially acceptable again.

      Mad respect for BeyondRed on that matter, that list is just beautiful in how it completely showcases this entire mess.

      And as a final note: I am surprised that so far, nobody mentioned how BZ was born by literally being shat out by Kaguya. Seriously, somebody has to add a fart sound to that scene.

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    • Also, there's an another issue that seems strange. When Hagoromo told Naruto about his "family story", there was no mention of Kaguya being the Ten-Tails. And I think BZ during his own tale hinted that Hagoromo didn't actually know it at all. But at the same time BZ and Sasuke implied that Hagoromo probably suspected Kaguya could emerge, and now this episode, where Hagoromo/Hamura were completely aware they're battling Kaguya, they even sealed her in the human form. So, the question - it's an another condradiction between the storyline events, or for some reasons Hagoromo decided not to tell Naruto all the truth?

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    • I actually forgot a really big one. Hagoromo said he created the tailed beasts after being inspired by the way Asura lived his life. So I guess he can see the future then, huh?

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    • Ravenlot 27 wrote: So, the question - it's an another condradiction between the storyline events, or for some reasons Hagoromo decided not to tell Naruto all the truth?

      Hagoromo already stated that Madara would try to get close to him and Kaguya with the Juubi. That's why he gave the seals. The truth of Kaguya was something he may have figured out during his own transmigration, since he must've been wondering where Kaguya went exactly, and might have deducted she was part of the Juubi.

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    • No Beyondred he actually gave the burden of handling the tailed beast to to humans after seeing Asura cooperate with people he thought people will learn to coexist. But it didn't go with the way of ninshu that part and tailed beast extraction will be explained probably in ninshu episode.

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    • Oh boy, can't wait for Seelentau to do his errors/plotholes/contradictions analysis and canon/fact checking.

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    • I just remembered: when Hagoromo and Hamura used Six Paths Chibaku Tensei on Kaguya(although in episode Hagoromo called it just "Chibaku Tensei"), her Rinne Sharingan wasn't covered with Six Paths Yin and Yang Seals.

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    • ΚΟΜΙΞ wrote:


      By the episode's logic that doesn't apply... BZ said in the epsiode that Kaguya and the Ten Tails are not the same being... Six Paths Chibaku Tensei sealed Kaguya and she was not the Ten Tails at all...

      No, then you didn't watch the episode carefully, @10:47 in the episode Black Zetsu said that Ten-Tails and Kaguya (mother ) are one. Quoting: The Ten-Tails was not just the divine tree but also my mother herself.

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    • Interesting to see that on the official reddit thread, the vast majority thinks positively about this episode, althought it seems manga readers among them are rare. One example of "Ignorance is bliss" I guess...to an anime-only guy, this could even make sense, but don't quote me on that.

      I also find it noteworthy that the most voted opinion here is 5/5, yet the comments show the opposite.

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    • Elveonora wrote: Oh boy, can't wait for Seelentau to do his errors/plotholes/contradictions analysis and canon/fact checking.

      I'm finally at home with time at hand, so Imma watch it now. But BeyondRed did it pretty well already, dunno if I can add anything.

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    • Mecha Naruto wrote:

      ΚΟΜΙΞ wrote:


      By the episode's logic that doesn't apply... BZ said in the epsiode that Kaguya and the Ten Tails are not the same being... Six Paths Chibaku Tensei sealed Kaguya and she was not the Ten Tails at all...

      No, then you didn't watch the episode carefully, @10:47 in the episode Black Zetsu said that Ten-Tails and Kaguya (mother ) are one. Quoting: The Ten-Tails was not just the divine tree but also my mother herself.

      And yet during the fight, they're very clearly two distinct entities.

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    • It's not as though the anime made unintentional mistakes so much as they decided to change things established in the manga (and prior episodes for that matter) which is a really confusing decision. Comparing Black Zetsu's story with its manga counterpart, they deliberately removed the line about Ten-Tails being made into the core of Chibaku Tensei and changed the "even Hagoromo didn't know about this" line to be about Black Zetsu's creation, rather than the Ten-Tails being Kaguya.

      In hindsight, we got a preview of this weird change a few episodes back when Sasuke thought that Hagoromo knew Kaguya would be revived. The question is why he wouldn't just tell them that though (and why the studio chose to make this change in the first place).

      I guess at least with the core of the moon issue we'll have to treat the anime and manga as intentionally different. In the manga, the Gedo Mazo is Ten-Tails' husk and in the anime it's Kaguya's.

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    • オレの穴を舐めろ wrote: I also find it noteworthy that the most voted opinion here is 5/5, yet the comments show the opposite.

      Some people just vote and don't comment at all. And also not everyone got their vote in so it can change like that.

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    • Another strange thing is decades after Kaguya ate the fruit the shinju had enough chakra/power to transform into ten-tails, and then go on to rapid fire tailed beast bombs. So i guess the shinju continued to absorb that "nature energy" Gamamaru was talking about, and would eventually produce another fruit.

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    • Mecha Naruto wrote:

      ΚΟΜΙΞ wrote:


      By the episode's logic that doesn't apply... BZ said in the epsiode that Kaguya and the Ten Tails are not the same being... Six Paths Chibaku Tensei sealed Kaguya and she was not the Ten Tails at all...

      No, then you didn't watch the episode carefully, @10:47 in the episode Black Zetsu said that Ten-Tails and Kaguya (mother ) are one. Quoting: The Ten-Tails was not just the divine tree but also my mother herself.

      Hmm... More like they are connected... Before that he said that the Divine Tree was trying to protect Kaguya and that's why it was transformed into the Juubi... But, even then in the Manga it was said that they fought the Juubi and not Kaguya and the Juubi...

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    • In the manga canon it's very clear that the Ten-Tails was Kaguya and Shinju as one, not that the Ten-Tails and Kaguya were there as 2 separate entities.

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    • Elve, As I Said Earlier, It Could Be That Their Consciousness' Merged And Not Their Physical Bodies.

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    • Not what the manga shows and says. Kaguya in her humanoid self wasn't present when Hagoromo and Hamura fought the Ten-Tails, that's because she was transformed into the Ten-Tails and they didn't know that.

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    • Ultimate sage wrote: Another strange thing is decades after Kaguya ate the fruit the shinju had enough chakra/power to transform into ten-tails, and then go on to rapid fire tailed beast bombs. So i guess the shinju continued to absorb that "nature energy" Gamamaru was talking about, and would eventually produce another fruit.

      not till it produced another but till the planet became devoid of nature energy after which perhaps kaguya would got to another planet.

      Elveonora wrote: In the manga canon it's very clear that the Ten-Tails was Kaguya and Shinju as one, not that the Ten-Tails and Kaguya were there as 2 separate entities.

      something about which hagoromo never knew about and besides the filler seems to be more from hagoromo's perspective....

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    • Elveonora wrote: In the manga canon it's very clear that the Ten-Tails was Kaguya and Shinju as one, not that the Ten-Tails and Kaguya were there as 2 separate entities.

      @Elve maybe it's like Obito did with tree to cast MT?

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    • Again, in the manga they didn't know about Kaguya. And in the manga BZ even says they sealed the Ten-Tails, which was Kaguya, not that they sealed Kaguya and separate Ten-Tails magically turned into 9 Tailed Beasts.

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    • Guys if the Mazo was just Kaguya and not the Ten Tails then why it was needed? Also if Gedo Mazo + 9 Bijuu = Kaguya + Ten Tails then by the filler's logi the Ten Tails of the War Arc is >>>>> than the Ten Tails that the brothers fought.

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    • Why is there no 0/5 option? Holy moly, they literally changed everything about Kaguya's story. And a Mangekyo Sharingan on Hagoromo's forehead which didn't move once, like a normal eye does? And where did he knew the names from? And where's the Otsutsuki clan that went to the moon? I mean, what were they thinking at Pierrot? This is even worse than the last episode.

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    • Vol 71 ch 681 pg 11 When Naruto says that the ten-tails was sealed then BZ says that my mother was sealed. People fail to understand that Ten-Tails= Kaguya it was even mentioned in manga.

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    • Additions are one thing... which they did fine I guess... but rewriting chunks of canon, that's just weird, how do we cover it? Do we say: 'in the anime, Shinju became the Ten-Tails and Ten-Tails is not Kaguya and Kaguya became the Demonic Statue, while in manga x and y etc.' or what.

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    • Seelentau wrote: Why is there no 0/5 option?

      The mistake has already been fixed.

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    • Seelentau wrote: Why is there no 0/5 option? Holy moly, they literally changed everything about Kaguya's story. And a Mangekyo Sharingan on Hagoromo's forehead which didn't move once, like a normal eye does? And where did he knew the names from? And where's the Otsutsuki clan that went to the moon? I mean, what were they thinking at Pierrot? This is even worse than the last episode.

      I've mentioned there being no 0/5 option many times in several threads, but no one listens. Adding it now would just reset the entire poll.

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    • Elveonora wrote: Again, in the manga they didn't know about Kaguya. And in the manga BZ even says they sealed the Ten-Tails, which was Kaguya, not that they sealed Kaguya and separate Ten-Tails magically turned into 9 Tailed Beasts.

      The anime says it too. Right when Kaguya revived, Black Zetsu notes that even Hagoromo did not know his mother and the Ten-Tails were one-in-the-same, so they've gone and contradicted their own screwy timeline.

      As for how we document it, I say make triva points. "In the anime, the Ten-Tails was literally the Shinju instead of Kaguya merged with the Shinju..." or something to that effect. Putting it in the actual paragraphs with the canon information would just make it confusing, especially since the anime literally changed everything.

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    • ughhhh black zetsu you really got something against hamura but hamura can still teleport hehehehhe but i wished they showed more abilities about hamura but he did seem kinda cool fighting hagoromo

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    • Seelentau wrote: Why is there no 0/5 option? Holy moly, they literally changed everything about Kaguya's story. And a Mangekyo Sharingan on Hagoromo's forehead which didn't move once, like a normal eye does? And where did he knew the names from? And where's the Otsutsuki clan that went to the moon? I mean, what were they thinking at Pierrot? This is even worse than the last episode.

      The Forehead Thing Is A Result Of Six Paths Senjutsu, Not MS, lol. U Can Clearly See Him Using The TSBs After Using It.

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    • Then where else is the MS? And where are the other TSBs? The staff just appeared out of nothing.

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    • I swear, if you don't stop using 'lol' in most of your sentences Bob, I will be forced to progress beyond a stage of being just pissed off.

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    • There's actually not more evidence for the marking being a SPS result than for it being an MS manifestation. In fact, Hagoromo didn't demonstrate any indications of senjutsu use, we can't even know where he uses it and where he isn't. Also, pretty hard to believe Hagoromo turned on his senjutsu exactly in the moment he awakened the Rinnegan (something he couldn't foresee in any case), so it's surely not the SPS indicator.

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    • Hagoromo pumped Senjutsu chakra into Hamura with the magical toad tag to revive him, remember. Also an expansion of what Seel said, in the manga in Kaguya's flashback, there's clearly TSB floating behind Hagoromo.

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    • Ok, my bad, already edited this. But still, if the brothers could use TSBs, each of them must've got a complete set of the balls, not only the staffs appearing out of nothing.

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    • Seelentau wrote: Then where else is the MS? And where are the other TSBs? The staff just appeared out of nothing.

      The MS Is Presumed To Have Been Skipped Over. Because Last I Checked MS Doesn't Manifest Outside Of The Eyes.

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    • And eyes usually don't manifest outside of eye sockets, yet Kaguya and Madara had the Rinne Sharingan on their forhead. :D

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    • Seelentau wrote: And eyes usually don't manifest outside of eye sockets, yet Kaguya and Madara had the Rinne Sharingan on their forhead. :D

      Yes but these were exceptional cases. Madara had the TT and Shinjuu whereas Kaguya had the Fruit power...

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    • ΚΟΜΙΞ wrote:

      Seelentau wrote: And eyes usually don't manifest outside of eye sockets, yet Kaguya and Madara had the Rinne Sharingan on their forhead. :D

      Yes but these were exceptional cases. Madara had the TT and Shinjuu whereas Kaguya had the Fruit power...

      what's difference?

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    • could hagoromo had taken on ten tails while hamura took on kaguya herself because we only see hagoromo fighting ten tails so i guess hamura took on kaguya alone holding her off tell hagoromo took down ten tails that would've been pretty epic to see

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    • I haven't even watched this episode and I can tell that I'm going to be in for a load of disappointments.

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    • I have no idea what Hagoromo's forehead marking actually is. About MS, in his talk page, someone gave the most sensible explanation I've seen so far. Since Susanoo requires awakening MS in both eyes, the marking alone can't be MS. What he did to Hamura did awaken MS, but for some reason it skipped right over to Rinnegan.

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    • Seelentau wrote: And eyes usually don't manifest outside of eye sockets, yet Kaguya and Madara had the Rinne Sharingan on their forhead. :D

      Hagoromo forhead marking is not a eye nor it's MS - there is difference between marking(like sage markings) and eyes, it's thousand times more plasible that Hagoromo had Byakugan than MS(wich set of eye and need both of them for Susanoo) as sole marking on forhead. Unlike Madara and Kaguya, Hagoromo does not have eye on forhead.

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    • just finished watchin the episode clearly contradicts manga but is consistent with main anime story.
      But what I don't understand is the fact that how hagoromo and hamura are shown to be weaker than Naruto and sasuke I mean come on how come these guys managed to seal kaguya in months wheras it took Naruto and sasuke(and kakashi, obito and sakura) barely a day?!
      what's really going on?

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    • @Namikazenaruto9, well i am sure Naruto and Sasuke would not last another day against Kaguya not speaking about months.

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    • @Namikazenaruto9 Basically, someone in Studio Pierrot wrote Naruto Fanfiction and it ended up as a script by accident(although I wouldn't be surprised if it was on purpose....)

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    • Namikazenaruto9 wrote: just finished watchin the episode clearly contradicts manga but is consistent with main anime story.
      But what I don't understand is the fact that how hagoromo and hamura are shown to be weaker than Naruto and sasuke I mean come on how come these guys managed to seal kaguya in months wheras it took Naruto and sasuke(and kakashi, obito and sakura) barely a day?!
      what's really going on?

      Apart from Kaguya they were fight Ten Tails too... But Hagoromo was fighting it... Hamura was fighting Kaguya? With her Ash pones and her Dimensional Shifting plus the Ten Tails (as seperate Entity) she should have won way easily...

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    • Actually them fighting for months makes it even bigger of a fanfiction, it's very unlikely it would have taken months for them to finally seal and survive for so long as well.

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    • @RageGtx: I doubt they would survive even a day! I mean she almost killed them several times during the course of battle.
      @JouXIII:yeah you are right that's more likely!.

      ΚΟΜΙΞ wrote: Apart from Kaguya they were fight Ten Tails too... But Hagoromo was fighting it... Hamura was fighting Kaguya? With her Ash pones and her Dimensional Shifting plus the Ten Tails (as seperate Entity) she should have won way easily...

      But the difference in combat level shouldn't be very much besides in terms of power hagoromo was equivalent of both Naruto and sasuke so still it doesn't explain how they did such a miracle.

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    • Where in the manga it says that only that humanoid Ten-Tails form was sealed? it says that Ten-Tails was sealed, and Ten-Tails could mean anything either Kaguya or Shinju(Ten-Tails), all the appropriate panels were shown in anime only thing is they extended it and one image is in view of Kaguya if you see the image of Hagoromo and Hamura sealing her, you can clearly tell that it was Kaguya who got sealed not the beast. If Kaguya got sealed she was converted into Demonic Statue which became the moon and this was not shown in this episode, and in the manga too Hagoromo lied he told everything, why she came here ? to eat the fruit, who was she like? demon goddess with power, he told that she used Infinite Tsukuyomi, in manga this is what animators tried to fit in the storyline he gave possible hints, he couldn't tell where she came from? And also I don't see any image of TSB except the staff with which they were fighting.

      As far as I understand after checking both manga and anime, Kaguya=Ten-tails, because of the fruit she could control Shinju. Ten-Tails is also made up of body of Kaguya (from manga) so Kaguya became the husk demonic statue makes sense. The chakra became the nine tailed beasts. Simple. That's all I have to say.

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    • Mecha Naruto wrote: Where in the manga it says that only that humanoid Ten-Tails form was sealed?

      In chapter where Naruto meets Hagoromo.

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    • Holy Hagoromo, I didn't even notice that thing about how the zetsu's weren't even in the statue in the moon lol. I retract some of my statments about the earlier episodes. They really messed things up. I don't even know what to think anymore.

      Also Elve, I think they added the "fact" that they fought for months so it can tie in with the legend on how the Ten-Tails "shaped the Earth" Just a thought though.

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    • They probably could have worked on the Ten-Tails more in its sealing to make it fit with the manga, but probably did not want to annoy fans with more fillers.

      Also, mothers are usually never happy about children leaving the nest, it's called Empty Nest Syndrome. Fathers on the other hand, they're dancing out of joy.

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    • Also, the sealing of Kaguya seemed more epic in the Manga with Naruto and Sasuke, then it did in this episode. I pictured the Ten-Tails being incapacitated by an overwhelming amount of rocks of the grand Six Paths Chibaku Tensei, that created the ENTIRE MOON BTW. It seemed really underwhelming in this episode, the camera wasn't even shaking :(

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    • This episode is so non-canon that it hurts

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    • Rage gtx wrote:

      Mecha Naruto wrote: Where in the manga it says that only that humanoid Ten-Tails form was sealed?

      In chapter where Naruto meets Hagoromo.

      Okay, Hagoromo said that they fought with the physical incarnation of Ten-Tails, he didn't talk about the sealing and that panel was shown in today's episode.

      Elveonora wrote: Actually them fighting for months makes it even bigger of a fanfiction, it's very unlikely it would have taken months for them to finally seal and survive for so long as well.

      According to this anime if they are fighting separate entities it could take them months.

      Thekillman wrote: I don't think Kurama specifies that the Gedo statue is CT'd. The latter explanation is the correct one. Hagoromo simply summoned the Gedo from the moon, used it to survive Biju extraction and then put it back where it belonged.

      lol. wow Just noticed this now.

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    • Kind of badly written but at least it's good how they cleared some things up.

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    • Hagoromo said that he and his bro sealed Jubi not Kaguya and later BZ(Kaguta's tears) said that TT was sealed into moon and it was Kaguya's with Shinju battle form.(if translation is correct) So filler melts canon as hot knife melts buter. Typical SP's treatment of frachise that turned 3rd rate anime studio into big player on anime scene. Too bad only financial aspect of studio grew.

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    • Cloudtheavenger wrote: Also, mothers are usually never happy about children leaving the nest, it's called Empty Nest Syndrome. Fathers on the other hand, they're dancing out of joy.

      that's nice one.............

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    • @Mecha, have you even watched the episode? Your justifications, rather excuses, don't work.

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    • Whole Kaguya, Ten-Tails, Hagormo and Hamura part was already in pieces in the manga, and this filler managed to make it even less understandable :D

      And yup, looks like Hamura just went to the moon and made a whole clan out of nothing :D But here The Last scenario is more at fault, Toneri was just a weak villain from DiD cliche, but they decided to give him a background that would somehow link to the story from manga. Still, The Last is around one and half a year old, they have more than enough time to plan this episodes accordingly to the plot from it.

      The only good part of this episode was showing Momoshiki, Kinshiki and the third Otsutsuki (probably the guardian mentioned by Kinshiki)

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    • i only have only two tiny issues so far. the sage chakra given to hamura seemed kind of forced to me. earlier in the story, we were told and shown that the brothers can heal injuries with minimal effort. here we are given no explanation as to why this wouldn't work here. especially with hagoromo's sage training and whatnot. In the previous episodes of this story, we were shown hamura's confidence in his ability which was slightly shown again in his confrontation of kaguya.(which was never explored upon afterwards.) While on the other hand, Hagoromo is emotional about everyone's lives. I feel we where shown more of hagoromo's story and development in the later episodes of the story, rather than the three otsutsuki as a collective. Which isn't a huge downside, because he was the most mysterious character in naruto for several years after all. another thing is hagoromo's mention of a completely unseen(and unknown of till this point) mangekyo sharingan, which caught me off guard. like "where and when did he know he got/had the mangekyou sharingan without us knowing". other than those tiny nitpicks, i really enjoyed this episode. great mix of action and story telling that kept me wanting more. black zetsu's plans over the many years coming to fruition, as well as referring to himself as kaguya(not by name) accidentally really sealed the deal as black zetsu actually being her will manifestation.

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    • I think that red rinnegan marking on Hagoromo's forehead after he awoke his own Rinnegan might be his own Sage Mode. Similar to that of Hashirama's Sage Mode which had the 'third eye' motive to it too.

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    • it was stated that that kaguya and the juubi are one in the same. right in this episode. its irrelevant that the juubi is separate from her. because look at it this way. kaguya consumes the fruit. she merges her physical and spiritual energy becoming the first being on earth to have chakra. she casts Infinite Tsukuyomi. she releases some of the people from the IT and has hagoromo and hamura.

      they find out the truth they fight. she then remotely sends her chakra to the shinju merging her chakra with the shinju. and then the shinju transforms. people are assuming that when black zetsu said the shinju transformed into the juubi to protect kaguya that this means the shinju is actually a sentient being. he made no mention of the shinju actually being an actual living breathing sentient being. just that it transformed to protect her. obviously this could mean that she herself caused it to transform so that she could better fight her sons, being that hagoromo not only inherited her chakra and sharingan but now has an evolved form of the eye as well as Sage mode. let me ask you something, when naruto casts shadow clones. are the clones Naruto? Yes they are. they have the same spiritual and physical energy, the same thoughts, the same beliefs, the same DNA but they have separate bodies.


      on a side note. the mini bijuu egg things were adorable

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    • SuperSaiyaMan wrote: I think that red rinnegan marking on Hagoromo's forehead after he awoke his own Rinnegan might be his own Sage Mode. Similar to that of Hashirama's Sage Mode which had the 'third eye' motive to it too.

      Hagoromo didn't have the marking when he finished his Senjutsu training

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    • UltimaDude wrote:

      SuperSaiyaMan wrote: I think that red rinnegan marking on Hagoromo's forehead after he awoke his own Rinnegan might be his own Sage Mode. Similar to that of Hashirama's Sage Mode which had the 'third eye' motive to it too.

      Hagoromo didn't have the marking when he finished his Senjutsu training

      The markings could be just that mark when he entered it.

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    • SuperSaiyaMan wrote: The markings could be just that mark when he entered it.

      But if it was due to being in Sage Mode, then it would have appeared the moment he finished Senjutsu training

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    • god these fillers r hurtin my head tryin to make sense of even thou i am enjoying these recent ones.

      1: I thought Hagoromo created the tailed beasts in his end days after he was inspired by asura who said love is the path to obtain peace or whatever and made him his successor.

      2: so the ten tails is the holy tree goin rampage under Kaguya's power and not a fusion between her and the tree? gonna need a drink for tht one.

      My mad theory is when the ten tails is resurrected in the 4th war Kaguya's gedo statue form becomes the holy tree's new vessel or body to say since the tailed beasts r the ten tails chakra separated and not Kaguya's as stated by Hagoromo in this episode and then black zetsu doin his mad shit on Madara to bring back Kaguya's physical form thus finally makin her and the tree truly one i guess? Hell i more likely fucked up bits explaining here and forgetting stuff there but if anyone can truly make heads and tails of this i salute u.

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    • Well, overall this filler backstory arc progressively declined with each episode. I liked the first one, the second one was ok, then this one decided to be the black sheep and regain my lack of faith on Studio P making decent filler. FOR THE LOVE OF HAGOROMO, please don't f-up the Final fight.

      They just better stick to flashbacks since that's the only thing they are good at nowadays...

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    • UltimaDude wrote:

      SuperSaiyaMan wrote: The markings could be just that mark when he entered it.

      But if it was due to being in Sage Mode, then it would have appeared the moment he finished Senjutsu training

      Yes, when he used lightning to destroy that weirdly shaped rock.

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    • Kakashi. Shisui. Itachi. Hagoromo. What, is there a Perfect Susanoo bargain sale?

      My head hurts from all these contradictions...

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    • @WindStar7125 Shisui and Itachi don't have PS. Kakashi got it out of BS and well, Hagoromo can use PS now I guess lol.

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    • XShadyShadow wrote: @WindStar7125 Shisui and Itachi don't have PS. Kakashi got it out of BS and well, Hagoromo can use PS now I guess lol.

      in storm 4 they do.

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    • Deeinfernodestroyer wrote:

      XShadyShadow wrote: @WindStar7125 Shisui and Itachi don't have PS. Kakashi got it out of BS and well, Hagoromo can use PS now I guess lol.

      in storm 4 they do.

      non-canon so its irrelevant

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    • AskinNakkLeVaar wrote:

      Deeinfernodestroyer wrote:

      XShadyShadow wrote: @WindStar7125 Shisui and Itachi don't have PS. Kakashi got it out of BS and well, Hagoromo can use PS now I guess lol.

      in storm 4 they do.

      non-canon so its irrelevant

      It's not irrelevant. Since now the big question is what is the actual criteria for PS!

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    • Shisui and Itachi having the PS in a game is irrelevant. I mean, we are talking about games that will make a battle outcome different from the manga or even anime.

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    • Namikazenaruto9 wrote:

      AskinNakkLeVaar wrote:

      Deeinfernodestroyer wrote:

      XShadyShadow wrote: @WindStar7125 Shisui and Itachi don't have PS. Kakashi got it out of BS and well, Hagoromo can use PS now I guess lol.

      in storm 4 they do.

      non-canon so its irrelevant

      It's not irrelevant. Since now the big question is what is the actual criteria for PS!

      it is. the game matters fuck all when its n o n c a n o n

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    • Watch your tone @Askin

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    • AskinNakkLeVaar wrote: excuse me? dont boss me around, i wasnt even talking to you. that guy needs to accept that Storm 4 is irrelevant and those PS of those Shitchihas dont matter.

      I am talking about attainment not having please atleast read the comment completely.

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    • AskinNakkLeVaar wrote: excuse me? dont boss me around, i wasnt even talking to you. that guy needs to accept that Storm 4 is irrelevant and those PS of those Shitchihas dont matter.

      It doesn't matter if you were talking to me. I am a Moderator. And when I see bad behavior I deal with it before it escalates. I'm not bossing you around, I am warning you. You need to get yourself together.

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    • The only problem I had was the fact that the people trapped in the IT ended up still being alive and not turned into White Zetsu, especially since they stated that the fight went on for months. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the tree suck chakra from those caught in it? I can see if those during the 4th Great War survived because in their time, they were only trapped for a day or two? But they clearly stated that the fight with the brothers and Kaguya went on for months. They must've had some seriously strong chakra back in the day.

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    • Earth 2 Superman wrote: The only problem I had was the fact that the people trapped in the IT ended up still being alive and not turned into White Zetsu, especially since they stated that the fight went on for months. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the tree suck chakra from those caught in it? I can see if those during the 4th Great War survived because in their time, they were only trapped for a day or two? But they clearly stated that the fight with the brothers and Kaguya went on for months. They must've had some seriously strong chakra back in the day.

      I'd say the process of turning into White Zetsu just takes a really long time.

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    • oooooooooorrrrrrrr its filler and with most of this episode they fucked up continuity as usual.

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    • AskinNakkLeVaar wrote: "bad behavior" lol ok surrrreeeee. go bully someone somewhere else.

      You just want to speak your mind any way you want to and that's fine and all, but here there is a certain way you speak to others. Calling me a bully won't change that you could be leading yourself to a block.

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    • Omnibender wrote:

      I'd say the process of turning into White Zetsu just takes a really long time.

      Yeah, but they still should've died since the tree sucks up chakra. I don't know. I'm just confused, but I'm glad that they've gone back to the fight...for now.

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    • So what were Kaguya and Hamura doing when Hagoromo was busy with his Susanoo battling the Juubi? Were they staring each other in the eye with their byakugan like in the earlier filler episode, where Kaguya overpowered Hamura with her byakugan? Oh well who cares!! This filler is non-canon anyway since it butchers the manga lore (which is already a contradictory mess itself).

      Instead of bitching about this filler, shouldn't we open a petition at change.org to remove Studio Pierrot out of existence? :D Their fillers and most of their animation are atrocious.

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    • Kaguya and the Juubi were made separate so that SP could make a mere reskin of Naruto and Sasuke sealing Kaguya instead of figuring out how to animate sealing the Juubi.

      As for Hagoromo's eyes, I first thought that once he was revealed to have blank eyes similar to the Byakugan, they'd evolve straight to the Rinnegan, and the eye marking would be a result of Six Paths sage mastery. Nope.

      Instead of bitching about this filler, shouldn't we open a petition at change.org to remove Studio Pierrot out of existence? :D Their fillers and most of their animation are atrocious.

      No, they need to stop handling so many series. They push for so much more than what their (either low or restricted) budget allows, leading to hiring of shitty storywriters and shitty animators. They're capable of actually good stuff, but they care more about tackling popular mangas, keeping a weekly schedule (and annual magnum-opus movie schedule), and turning a sizable profit.

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    • Deeinfernodestroyer wrote: in storm 4 they do.

      Yea those games aren't even remotely canon, they just do whatever they want. Else we'd be arguing how the hell a Japanese world has a matador. Or why people fight in bathing suits. Or other nonsense.

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    • You know what I realized? Not only does the title of the episode, A Fabricated Past, refers to BZ messing sh!t up in shinobi history, it also refers to SP messing sh!t up in the Naruto history

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    • Thekillman wrote:

      Deeinfernodestroyer wrote: in storm 4 they do.

      Yea those games aren't even remotely canon, they just do whatever they want. Else we'd be arguing how the hell a Japanese world has a matador. Or why people fight in bathing suits. Or other nonsense.

      oh i know they r far from canon im just sayin tht they have PS in tht game is all.

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    • ^ Doesn't matter.

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    • Earth 2 Superman wrote:

      Omnibender wrote:

      I'd say the process of turning into White Zetsu just takes a really long time.

      Yeah, but they still should've died since the tree sucks up chakra. I don't know. I'm just confused, but I'm glad that they've gone back to the fight...for now.

      Emm, I think I shoud note that during Kaguya's era, people actually had no chakra to suck up at all. It was given them only by Hagoromo when he taught them the ninshuu concept, and this happened already after Kaguya's defeat.

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    • Ravenlot 27 wrote: Emm, I think I shoud note that during Kaguya's era, people actually had no chakra to suck up at all. It was given them only by Hagoromo when he taught them the ninshuu concept, and this happened already after Kaguya's defeat.

      Too bold claim to made - as far as we know they may have did not know how to use chakra considering they already had basic energies. More so fact that Kaguya casted MT in her times speaks that people had chakra since genjutsu casted by manipulation of victim's chakra.

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    • UltimaDude wrote: This episode is so non-canon that it hurts

      Nice reference.

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    • The filler mention Shinju draining nature and people's natural energies, no mention of chakra though.

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    • Elveonora wrote: The filler mention Shinju draining nature and people's natural energies, no mention of chakra though.

      so that rotten tree was draining chi?

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    • I think Kaguya more or less transformed the tree herself, as though eating the fruit gave her control over it. As for the tailed beasts plot hole, the best I can think of is that Hagoromo still split the ten tails but he still was their jinchuriki but they didn't combine them ,just like Naruto is to them now he still has their chakra but they are still their own individual parts.

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    • Should probably get to finishing that canon policy soon huh.

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    • LOL... Kinshiki has already broken the horn. XD

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    • TFS FTW!!!

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    • Thanatophobia0 wrote: I think Kaguya more or less transformed the tree herself, as though eating the fruit gave her control over it. As for the tailed beasts plot hole, the best I can think of is that Hagoromo still split the ten tails but he still was their jinchuriki but they didn't combine them ,just like Naruto is to them now he still has their chakra but they are still their own individual parts.

      in the manga we see Hago\Hama sealing her from her POV as the Juubi, anime just massively fucked up.

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    • Seelentau wrote: Why is there no 0/5 option? Holy moly, they literally changed everything about Kaguya's story. And a Mangekyo Sharingan on Hagoromo's forehead which didn't move once, like a normal eye does? And where did he knew the names from?

      Only logical answer is Gamamaru had a vision and learned of the dōjutsu names, and then told them to Hagoromo.

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    • @Sarutobii2 @Seelentau Not defending this sh!tstorm of an episode, but most of the times, Naruto characters know the names of the techniques their using despite having no prior knowledge of it

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    • QuakingStar wrote: Considering Madara needed to absorb the Shinju Tree, which was Kaguya talking to him telekinetically telling him to do so in order to heal and prepare further for I.T. then I guess its not far off.

      My personal opinion on this is that, since the tree Obito created was shown to have the eye of the Ten Tails, Rinne-Sharingan, Madara had to absorb the tree to be even able to gain the potential for it to manifest. Then, by taking back his left eye, he regained the full power of his Rinnegan, since Dojutsu work best when together as a pair, and by approaching the moon which Kaguya was trapped in for centuries, her chakra was able to be called into his body by Ten Tails, just enough for the Rinne-Sharingan to manifest. And, after the IT was cast, all the people of the world were linked by the Shinju, all of their chakras were combined to recreate enough of Kaguya's for Black Zetsu to revive her using the Ten Tails, the Shinju, which gave her the power she had, as a template in a way, her chakra was reproduced in a large enough amount to take full possession of Madara with Black Zetsu's body which was also a part of her chakra to call back her personality or soul if you will. Just my theory, feel free to disagree

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    • Mangekyō Kurama wrote:

      QuakingStar wrote: Considering Madara needed to absorb the Shinju Tree, which was Kaguya talking to him telekinetically telling him to do so in order to heal and prepare further for I.T. then I guess its not far off.

      My personal opinion on this is that, since the tree Obito created was shown to have the eye of the Ten Tails, Rinne-Sharingan, Madara had to absorb the tree to be even able to gain the potential for it to manifest. Then, by taking back his left eye, he regained the full power of his Rinnegan, since Dojutsu work best when together as a pair, and by approaching the moon which Kaguya was trapped in for centuries, her chakra was able to be called into his body by Ten Tails, just enough for the Rinne-Sharingan to manifest. And, after the IT was cast, all the people of the world were linked by the Shinju, all of their chakras were combined to recreate enough of Kaguya's for Black Zetsu to revive her using the Ten Tails, the Shinju, which gave her the power she had, as a template in a way, her chakra was reproduced in a large enough amount to take full possession of Madara with Black Zetsu's body which was also a part of her chakra to call back her personality or soul if you will. Just my theory, feel free to disagree

      i agree with you

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