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    How would you rate Episode 464?
     
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    The poll was created at 12:29 on June 9, 2016, and so far 103 people voted.

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    • i see they are also doing some retconns for the next episode. the preview shows indra doing what appears to be shadow clones. yet tobirama was the one that created shadow clones. unless what he is doing is just normal clones

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    • I nearly fell asleep. But I guess it was nice to see that Hagoromo didn't just threw chakra around him wherever he went and called it a day, but actually chose his peers.

      Actionmanrandell wrote: yet tobirama was the one that created shadow clones.

      Nice catch, completely forgot that.

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    • I think it's more like techniques were 're-discovered' later.

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    • Actionmanrandell wrote: i see they are also doing some retconns for the next episode. the preview shows indra doing what appears to be shadow clones. yet tobirama was the one that created shadow clones. unless what he is doing is just normal clones

      It was seemingly a simple Clone Technique cause Indra didn't use a clone seal, but a Tiger.

      Regarging the episode, it wasn't surely a most dramatic one, yet with more philosophic meaning, which perfectly matches with Hagoromo's personality, so I enjoyed it anyway.

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    • Elveonora wrote: I think it's more like techniques were 're-discovered' later.

      Possible. Would be awesome as hell if we had to list Hagoromo as a user of absolutely every technique ever appearing in the series. Dat infobox....

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    • Back to the fillers, huh... Well, so far it doesn't look terrible like the previous filler arc...

      One thing bothers me, though: if Studio Pierrot bothered to make up father for Hagoromo and Hamura, than why not mother for Indra and Ashura? The excuse "mother died due to child birth" is a bit cliché.

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    • JouXIII wrote: The excuse "mother died due to child birth" is a bit cliché.

      Personally, that didn't bother me much tbh. What I found weird though is that apparently, Hagoromo couldn't help her (like he did with that merchant) or, even weirder, chose not to do so...

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    • As was stated, he chose not to use chakra for that purpose anymore, but Ninshu only. Good one by the way, choosing thieves as first humans to be given chakra and taught Ninshu Hagoromo... really? Goes little too far with the whole 'no one is truly bad, just misunderstood' thing.

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    • Elveonora wrote: As was stated, he chose not to use chakra for that purpose anymore, but Ninshu only.

      If that's true, it's...pretty dark actually. Just imagine she could've survived, but Hagoromo's all like "nope, I have principles".

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    • I believe Hagoromo said he will stop using chakra for "excessive use", like in battle and such. I don't think helping his wife to survive childbirth would be "excessive". Also, wouldn't Ninshū be useful there?

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    • All Ninshu is, is people connecting their spiritual energies to share their feelings with each other for better understanding of another, it can't heal.

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    • Hopefully by the end of this mini-filler arc it doesn´t turn into another episode 462, that shit was ridiculous.

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    • I guess if you don't want to read about Jesus and his Disciples, this episode is a good jumping on point.

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    • The animation looked like crap. I have an HDTV so I can see the atrocious glow effect. Its unappealing.

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    • Hagoromo not saving his wife makes no sense. Saving a life doesn't fell like "excessive use" of chakra. Probably done so they don't have to write the character a plot, and actually design a character. Overall, a weak filler, but not necessarily a bad one. Just rather uneventful. Definitely not as canon-defying than the earlier Kaguya episodes. Also, Minato having non-Edo eyes while the three others had felt super cheap. Someone derped really hard there.

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    • People always call Naruto Ninja Jesus, but this episode blatantly makes Hagoromo into Jesus. Middle-aged man in sandals wondering the land preaching love and unity and shit. And his followers (initially) are a bunch of thieves and villagers? I mean, damn TV Tokyo. They didn't even try to cover that shit up >_<

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    • Animation wasn't the best, but I liked this overall.

      Also, "The older one was especially caring." and so it begins!

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    • How can Hagoromo talk about Black Zetsu when he never knew of its existence? As far as I know, he never learned about Black Zetsu, did he? So how can he appear in the flashback? And how can Hagoromo talk about things he didn't experience himself, but Indra/Ashura and even Black Zetsu?

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    • ^According to manga it doesn't happen. The only explanation could be that he transcended time after he became ghost so he went past and was back to the future. He saw the events of his sons battle, and in which person they incarnated into.

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    • Seelentau wrote: How can Hagoromo talk about Black Zetsu when he never knew of its existence? As far as I know, he never learned about Black Zetsu, did he? So how can he appear in the flashback? And how can Hagoromo talk about things he didn't experience himself, but Indra/Ashura and even Black Zetsu?

      Well, if Hagoromo was able to learn about Kaguya's resurrection and even organised a Summoning Jutsu from her own dimension, it's not that surprising he already knows about BZ influence upon the world. Hagoromo seemingly can watch over Naruto/Sasuke as his sons' reincarnates, and since BZ told both of them his true story, this knowledge passed onto Hagoromo as well.

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    • Indra has no blue markings around his eyes in his youth, could this a form of sage mode.

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    • Nano555 wrote: Indra has no blue markings around his eyes in his youth, could this a form of sage mode.

      OR it could be the same reason why the Inuzuka and Akimichi clans or Kankurō have tattoos/face paint. Not everything has to be Sage Mode.

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    • This episode sucks

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    • What a great heart warming episode!! I really liked how this episode went. Just showing some old school repentance and Hagoromo turning petty criminals into what may be the progenitors of some of the strongest clans with nothing but his good intentions... We really should appreciate these things.

      The poisonous hatred for fillers has got to stop.

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    • @Tangocharlie07 And the toxic love for them has got to stop.

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    • Nano555 wrote: Indra has no blue markings around his eyes in his youth, could this be a form of sage mode.

      i really hope it is

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    • Ultimate sage wrote:

      Nano555 wrote: Indra has no blue markings around his eyes in his youth, could this be a form of sage mode.

      i really hope it is

      Indra having Sage Mode makes no sense, and it goes against the notion of Hagoromo's power having been split between the two. Like Questionaredude said, not every facial mark or coloring signifies Sage Mode.

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    • It's Magnet Release, obviously.

      On topic: Meh-pisode.

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    • "K so Naruto and Sasuke are fighting my mom and they're gonna need you to help them so listen to this story real quick and I'll teach you a bitchin' Summoning Jutsu" - Hagoromo, basically

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    • NeedleJizo wrote: Listen to this story real quick and I'll teach you how to build a bridge - Hagoromo

      Fixed.

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    • The scene where Hagoromo gives chackra to everyone is a bullshit.

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    • Anybody else notice Hagoromo said they sealed Kaguya and Ten-Tails in the moon? So which is it then? Did it wither away to nothing, was it sealed inside Hagoromo and separated, or was it sealed inside the moon? You can't have all three, anime.

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    • Omnibender wrote: Indra having Sage Mode makes no sense, and it goes against the notion of Hagoromo's power having been split between the two. Like Questionaredude said, not every facial mark or coloring signifies Sage Mode.

      what does SM have to do with Hagoromo's splitting of power, it's SM we're talking about not SPSM.

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    • Ultimate sage wrote: what does SM have to do with Hagoromo's splitting of power, it's SM we're talking about not SPSM.

      SM and SPSM are still forms of Senjutsu. Plus I think it's stupid for Indra to have learn SM

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    • Elveonora wrote: Goes little too far with the whole 'no one is truly bad, just misunderstood' thing.

      That's more or less the way it is with most people in Naruto :p

      BeyondRed wrote: Anybody else notice Hagoromo said they sealed Kaguya and Ten-Tails in the moon? So which is it then? Did it wither away to nothing, was it sealed inside Hagoromo and separated, or was it sealed inside the moon? You can't have all three, anime.

      If only Kishi would step in... he created this mess in the first place, and Studio Pierrot has a hard time working with it now.

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    • I think Hago meant that they sealed Kaguya in the moon and Ten-Tails into himself, otherwise his statement would be contradicting previous filler episodes.

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    • As Seelentau said, this episode was a meh-pisode.

      You know what? At this point, even if the filler episode was a spectacular 10/10, I'll most likely won't give a fk, since I'm so fed up with SP cramming filler in the middle of very crucial moments of the story

      TheFC12 wrote: If only Kishi would step in... he created this mess in the first place, and Studio Pierrot has a hard time working with it now.

      Don't blame Kishi for the filler contradicting itself. Although he did mans a mess, there were still many elements that SP had no reason to fk up

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    • lol, slice of life in FILLER EPISODES *sigh*

      the studio REALLLLY wants to make Naruto into a story that will be a unique being in the market of animes, seriously this series will be known as the filler series,

      at least Conans manga puts filler into the original work too :/

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    • ^ It's more like Studio Pierrot is "Studio Fillerot", considering that they had Bleach couple of years ago...

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    • Guys, if the episode schedule I checked is correct, I'm afraid you have to survive at least two more filler episodes regarding Indra/Asura past, namely "The Journey of Ordeal" ("Shiren no Tabi", 試練の旅) and "Ashura's Determination" ("Ashura no Ketsui", アシュラの決意).

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    • @Ravenlot 27 So in order to summon people from another dimension, you need to know the history of something that has nothing to do with summoning? Welp, time to binge-watch One Piece

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    • UltimaDude wrote: @Ravenlot 27 So in order to summon people from another dimension, you need to know the history of something that has nothing to do with summoning? Welp, time to binge-watch One Piece

      I haven't actually watched One Piece, so I couldn't get what you were trying to say.

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    • Ravenlot 27 wrote: I haven't actually watched One Piece, so I couldn't get what you were trying to say.

      I'm just saying that I'm done with the Naruto anime for the time being, so I'm going to binge-watch One Piece

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    • Back on topic please.

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    • Elveonora wrote: I think Hago meant that they sealed Kaguya in the moon and Ten-Tails into himself, otherwise his statement would be contradicting previous filler episodes.

      Are you talking about manga or anime? Because in the anime, it was very clear that the Ten-Tails Hagoromo and Hamura fought simply crumbled into nothing, a la the Tobi Zetsu when the Naruto and Sasuke broke the Infinite Tsukuyomi.

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    • ^ And yet anime!Hagoromo said: "...sealed our mother Kaguya and the Ten-Tails in the Moon".

      What we have learned from this? Fillers done by Studio Pierrot are load of bollocks.

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    • @Omni, anime.

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    • Firstly,how many sealings actually took place.In the anime Hagomoro and hamura sealed the kaguya and the chibaku tensei created the moon(Earth's . THe sage also sealed the gedo mazo into the moon(also earth's moon) on his death bed, So how many moons are there?

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    • SO indra is the progenitor of ninjutsu. and BTW Hagomoro is contradicting himself a bit bcuz he used ninjutsu to fight kaguya

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    • UltimaDude wrote: SM and SPSM are still forms of Senjutsu. Plus I think it's stupid for Indra to have learn SM

      aannnd what is that supposed to prove, are you trying to imply all forms of senjutsu is exclusive to Ashura and his descendants only?

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    • MayowaMakinde wrote: SO indra is the progenitor of ninjutsu. and BTW Hagomoro is contradicting himself a bit bcuz he used ninjutsu to fight kaguya

      We already knew Indra was the one who turned ninshu into ninjutsu. Fourth databook revealed that.

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    • Ultimate sage wrote: aannnd what is that supposed to prove, are you trying to imply all forms of senjutsu is exclusive to Ashura and his descendants only?

      Did I ever say that all forms of Senjutsu is exclusive to Asura and his descendants only? Heck, Jiraiya, Jugo and his clansmen, Kabuto, Minato, and all Curse Mark users have excess to different forms of Senjutsu. I just think it's really stupid for Indra to learn SM, since I don't think it fits his style

      Calling it now:
      If the anime not showing Hagoromo giving some of his power to Asura, people will call it a contradiction despite the manga never said/shown that he did

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    • UltimaDude wrote: Calling it now:
      If the anime not showing Hagoromo giving some of his power to Asura, people will call it a contradiction despite the manga never said/shown that he did

      Unless there's mistranslation here, didn't Hagoromo himself mention more than once he bestowed some power to Asura? Once when he powered up Naruto and Sasuke (something like "this time, I'm entrusting power to both") and once when Sasuke decided to kill the Five Kage while they were still trapped in the Infinite Tsukuyomi (something like "even if I give power to both, the result is the same"). It makes no sense for this to have been just about choosing a successor when it comes to Asura, since he very clearly gave powers to Naruto and Sasuke, and compared that to having picked only Asura in the past.

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    • BeyondRed wrote: Anybody else notice Hagoromo said they sealed Kaguya and Ten-Tails in the moon? So which is it then? Did it wither away to nothing, was it sealed inside Hagoromo and separated, or was it sealed inside the moon? You can't have all three, anime.

      It was stated that Kaguya was sealed away during that fight by Black Zetsu, yet Hagoromo became a Ten Tails Jinchuriki during the same fight by his own admission.

      Hagoromo was stated to have split the Ten Tails' chakra into the 9 Biju and live on due to the Gedo Mazo's life force(Stated by Kurama)

      This is only possible if Kaguya was sealed away and Hagoromo sealed the Ten Tails that was left behind into himself.

      The being of the Ten Tails is comprised of Kaguya & the Shinju, but that doesn't mean that them being fused is a necessity.

      -Kaguya can control the Shinju since it contains her will and have it transform into the Ten Tails.

      -Kaguya can transform into the Ten Tails herself at will when her and the Shinju are one(This was stated by Black Zetsu and shown when Naruto's attack forced her to transform into an unstable version of the Ten Tails).

      Basically the events based on whats stated and shown:

      -Kaguya whom is controlling the Shinju via her will, makes it transform into the Ten Tails in order to reclaim the chakra that Hagoromo & Hamura inherited(Hagoromo was unaware of Kaguya's involvement in the Shinju transforming).

      -Hagoromo & Hamura fight Kaguya and the Ten Tails. During this fight, Kaguya is sealed by Six Paths CT(Stated by Black Zetsu) while Hagoromo seals the Ten Tails inside himself(Stated by Hagoromo).

      -Years down the line, Hagoromo is inspired by the way that Asura lives his life, so he breaks up the chakra of the Ten Tails inside his body into the 9 Biju, then scatters it(Stated by Hagoromo). He lives on due to the Gedo Mazo's life force(Stated by Kurama).

      -Hagoromo then sends the Gedo Mazo to the moon using his own Chibaku Tensei.

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    • Omnibender wrote: Unless there's mistranslation here, didn't Hagoromo himself mention more than once he bestowed some power to Asura? Once when he powered up Naruto and Sasuke (something like "this time, I'm entrusting power to both") and once when Sasuke decided to kill the Five Kage while they were still trapped in the Infinite Tsukuyomi (something like "even if I give power to both, the result is the same"). It makes no sense for this to have been just about choosing a successor when it comes to Asura, since he very clearly gave powers to Naruto and Sasuke, and compared that to having picked only Asura in the past.

      But what is the thing that has been stated over and over again that started the whole mess between the brothers? It was Hagoromo choosing Asura as a successor of Ninshu, which can be seen as giving "power", not actually giving him some of his literal power. I strongly believe what Hagoromo said has been misinterpreted. Heck, Hagoromo didn't even state that the power he gave to Naruto and Sasuke was the same as the one he gave to Asura, in that being Six Paths chakra. This may be off-topic, so we should make another thread

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    • Ten Tailed Fox wrote: People always call Naruto Ninja Jesus, but this episode blatantly makes Hagoromo into Jesus. Middle-aged man in sandals wondering the land preaching love and unity and shit. And his followers (initially) are a bunch of thieves and villagers? I mean, damn TV Tokyo. They didn't even try to cover that shit up >_<

      As I Christian myself I think you make a very valid point. Interestingly enough I also thought of a Hindu folktale I've read (I read a lot of folktales from around the world). The story goes that there was a thief who confronted a holy man. The holy man was unfazed, and told the thief he'd give him a great treasure if he could find someone willing to die for him. The thief couldn't find anyone, and the holy man instructed him to chant "Aram" ("The World"). The thief didn't think much of this at the time but later, as he chanted out of boredom, the chant turned into the name of Rama. The legend concludes that thief obtained enlightenment and went on to write one of the epics of Hinduism. Does anyone else know the story I'm talking about?

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    • Actually I kinda liked this ep:)

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    • Half of the episode was spent building a damn bridge, but otherwise it was a good episode. I liked Hagaromo, and I still couldn't get enough of baby Kurama crying lol. Looking forward for the next ep.

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    • Raidra wrote:

      Ten Tailed Fox wrote: People always call Naruto Ninja Jesus, but this episode blatantly makes Hagoromo into Jesus. Middle-aged man in sandals wondering the land preaching love and unity and shit. And his followers (initially) are a bunch of thieves and villagers? I mean, damn TV Tokyo. They didn't even try to cover that shit up >_<

      As I Christian myself I think you make a very valid point. Interestingly enough I also thought of a Hindu folktale I've read (I read a lot of folktales from around the world). The story goes that there was a thief who confronted a holy man. The holy man was unfazed, and told the thief he'd give him a great treasure if he could find someone willing to die for him. The thief couldn't find anyone, and the holy man instructed him to chant "Aram" ("The World"). The thief didn't think much of this at the time but later, as he chanted out of boredom, the chant turned into the name of Rama. The legend concludes that thief obtained enlightenment and went on to write one of the epics of Hinduism. Does anyone else know the story I'm talking about?

      Yeah, as a Hindu I know that story! Hindu mythology is full of such stories about self enlightenment.

      The latest episode shows a similar story where a holy man(Hagoromo) does nothing damaging to the thief itself,but makes him change by his actions!

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    • I'm glad you know what I'm talking about! It sounds like we both like Hagoromo's style.

      By the way, does anyone else here know about the Sidney Poitier movie Lilies of the Field? It concerns a vagabond hired to build a chapel for a small and poor convent of nuns. He works alone at the beginning, but eventually everyone pitches in. I don't think the writers ripped it off or anything (The film really has all parties learn lessons about treating others). It's just that the part about the bridge being rebuilt made me think of that movie.

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    • Kind of a boring episode. I know Hagoromo wanted to find a home for the Tailed Beasts and begin fixing up the world, but when half of the episode revolves around fixing a bridge and the other half is just a bunch of talking around a bonfire, it really isn't very interesting. I'm glad I didn't rush to watch it. I wasn't missing much.

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    • Ravenlot 27 wrote: Guys, if the episode schedule I checked is correct, I'm afraid you have to survive at least two more filler episodes regarding Indra/Asura past, namely "The Journey of Ordeal" ("Shiren no Tabi", 試練の旅) and "Ashura's Determination" ("Ashura no Ketsui", アシュラの決意).

      how does he know this?
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    • TheDimensionKing wrote:

      Ravenlot 27 wrote: Guys, if the episode schedule I checked is correct, I'm afraid you have to survive at least two more filler episodes regarding Indra/Asura past, namely "The Journey of Ordeal" ("Shiren no Tabi", 試練の旅) and "Ashura's Determination" ("Ashura no Ketsui", アシュラの決意).

      how does he know this?

      Upcoming episode names are published in magazines showing upcoming schedules. People scan and upload these, info gets around.

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