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  • Tsunade isn't fast enough to punch Jiraiya and she will last a good amount of time due to her excellent regeneration (but Jiraiya will still win). They have intent to kill.

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    • Jiraiya is busy seeing her bosom starts thinking about the next makeout version.... while he gets killed.;-)

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    • Tsunade wins. Jiraiya won't have time to engage his Sage Mode.

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    • does he really need sm to defeat tsunade?

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    • Thekillman wrote: Tsunade wins. Jiraiya won't have time to engage his Sage Mode.

      She won't be able to hit him.

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    • And how will she escape the toad mouth trap???

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    • jiraiya not even close tsunae was always the healer of the group its like naruto and sasuke vs sakura

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    • Namikazenaruto9 wrote: does he really need sm to defeat tsunade?

      She previously nearly murdered him and dispatched him without effort. Unless initial conditions change significantly, i don't see Jiraiya win this at all.

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    • Jiraiya never fought tsunade^ and that was one time when peeping haha he's not going to kill a girl for catching him being a pervert

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    • Dizmiz01 wrote: Jiraiya never fought tsunade^

      Of the two encounters they had, Tsunade was on top both times. Statistically, Tsunade already has the better papers ;)

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    • tsunade never fought him....by fight i mean with jiraiya fighting with any seriousness lol

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    • Dizmiz01 wrote: tsunade never fought him....by fight i mean with jiraiya fighting with any seriousness lol

      Isn't it the cornerstone of being a ninja to deny your opponent the chance to fight seriously? What with "A ninja must see through deception" and the likes?

      Aren't you also implying Jiraiya basically laughed the whole deal off, even though if Tsunade had malicious intent, she could in fact have murdered him twice?

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    • yeah exactly what I'm saying haha he's a pervert he's not going to kill the girl he admires, and since when has that ever been naruto assassination is a very little part of this series all battles are usually face to face. I don't think anybody thinks the "fights" between them are indicative of their abilities because they weren't fights haha

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    • Thekillman wrote: Isn't it the cornerstone of being a ninja to deny your opponent the chance to fight seriously? What with "A ninja must see through deception" and the likes?

      Aren't you also implying Jiraiya basically laughed the whole deal off, even though if Tsunade had malicious intent, she could in fact have murdered him twice?

      According to your logic Sakura can murder Naruto. Comical moments aren't proof and Jiraiya wasn't ready for a fight (he was busy with other things).

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    • nah that's doubtful escpecially since naruto has the best endurance and healing combo of kurama+SPSM+SM(instantaneous).whereas jiraiya doesn't has such a powerful unique combo

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    • yeah but Jiraiya is a legit sage and tsunade isn't lol

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    • Namikazenaruto9 wrote: does he really need sm to defeat tsunade?

      This is just overestimating Jiraiya. Jiraiya if anythihg will need Sage Mode to defeat Tsunade.

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    • how is tsunade going to escape toad mouth trap?!
      or any other mid -long ninjutsu?Or even survive the onslaught from a temporary SM From jiraiya?

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    • @Namikaze

      First of all, the Toad Mouth Trap works best in an enclosed area. And since we don't know the setting, it is basically useless to even try and use it. Also, you know, it's called dodging. Jiraiya is not that fast. Honestly he proved nothing in speed witgout Sage Mode. Also, Ibdid not say Tsunade would win. What I said, and I quote, "Jiraiya, if anything, will need Sage Mode to defeat Tsunade". Where did you get anything from that, that I said Tsunade would win? Of course my answer on who wins I didn't speak on yet.

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    • well to be honest base jiraiya doesn't has many feats so saying that he is slow without SM is also quite a stretch

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    • Jiraiya can use Summoning: Crushing Toad Stomach, that's more practical. However, I think he will need SM and Tsunade probably won't be able to stop him before he enters SM (toads are faster than Katsuyu).

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    • Minato 87 wrote: According to your logic Sakura can murder Naruto.

      Depends a bit on the initial conditions and the exact version of Naruto. The argument is pretty similar though. Sakura can easily kill naruto in anything under his Kurama cloak mode. All it takes is for Sakura to take the shot before Naruto realizes it's being taken. Sure, most versus debates are sterilized to hell, but in any real scenario she can in fact win. She just needs to punch naruto before he has a chance to do anything, which is what the spirit of being a ninja is all about. Remember when she poisoned Konoha's tracker team of Kiba et all? When she poisoned Naruto with a simple Kunai cut?

      A big part of any real scenario is knowing you're fighting at all. Tsunade initiated the fight against Jiraiya before Jiraiya was even aware there was going to be a fight. Sakura poisoned her teammates before they knew there was a battle. Naruto was taken out by Himawari before he realized she could, in fact, do thatg. Compared to a little brat in orange jumping in and shouting around, compared to what a Ninja truly is, Sakura's clearly better at it than Naruto.

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    • jiraya sage mode is so crappy that is basically useless,if he was skilled as naruto and Hashirama was he would easily beat Tsunade.

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    • Kratos123456 wrote: jiraya sage mode is so crappy that is basically useless,if he was skilled as naruto and Hashirama was he would easily beat Tsunade.

      Wrong, there's no difference in terms of power between Jiraiya's and Naruto's SM.

      Thekillman wrote: Depends a bit on the initial conditions and the exact version of Naruto. The argument is pretty similar though. Sakura can easily kill naruto in anything under his Kurama cloak mode.

      She can't beat SM Naruto (remeber the Pain's assault).

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    • Minato 87 wrote:

      Kratos123456 wrote: jiraya sage mode is so crappy that is basically useless,if he was skilled as naruto and Hashirama was he would easily beat Tsunade.

      Wrong, there's no difference in terms of power between Jiraiya's and Naruto's SM.

      Thekillman wrote: Depends a bit on the initial conditions and the exact version of Naruto. The argument is pretty similar though. Sakura can easily kill naruto in anything under his Kurama cloak mode.

      She can't beat SM Naruto (remeber the Pain's assault).

      I mean that Naruto and Hashirama could enter on sage mode instatly something that jiraya can't do,and it takes too long for him.

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    • For the most part Jiraiya, I mean c'mon. Pain said the battle against Jiraiya would've been a whole lot different if Jiraiya had knowledge about the Rinnegan. Itachi and Kisame also hesitated to fight him, sure Itachi was secretly good but I find the statement of them stalemating to not be far fetched to any extent. I highly doubt Pain/Nagato or Itachi/Kisame would say anything noteworthy about Tsunade or fear her in a fight. If Jiraiya can get SM off,considering he was able to do it again Pain (In which I'm sure we all could agree Pain >> Tsunade.) then he'd be able to transform and win unless Tsunade is able to outlast him with her durability/stamina since I'm not too sure about J-man's stamina. But he can output much more damage effectively than Tsunade can.

      Also, Tsunade can hit Jiraiya for sure. He's not that fast either. Anyways, I'm leaning more towards Jiraiya seeing as though it's implied that Tsunade was the weakest out of the Sanin and he can dish more damage.

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    • I feel like everyone can agree jiraiya wins

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    • Jiraya with ease.

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    • Dizmiz01 wrote: I feel like everyone can agree jiraiya wins

      Count me out.

      XShadyShadow wrote: I highly doubt Pain/Nagato or Itachi/Kisame would say anything noteworthy about Tsunade or fear her in a fight.

      Tsunade spent most of her time prior to Konoha gambling and then became Hokage and didn't leave Kohona. By the time she was out in the field fighting, she was against Madara who was even impressed (for as far as a nigh-god can be impressed by a ninja). There was never a moment for any foreign ninja to express fear or interest. During the Assault Pain wasn't looking for a fight. No individual Sannin could beat him without knowing his secret, so he was safe.

      Besides, according to the whole theme of the Sannin they're equal but different.

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    • that is not the theme of the sannin they're just all strong, but if it was then you would have to argue it would be a tie of they're equal, and Madara was less impressed by her then any other kage that was fighting.

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    • Dizmiz01 wrote: that is not the theme of the sannin they're just all strong, but if it was then you would have to argue it would be a tie of they're equal, and Madara was less impressed by her then any other kage that was fighting.

      Until she activated her Strength of a Hundred Technique.

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    • ^ he was still less then impressed not trying to hate on her but he never said anythingg very noteworthy

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    • ^Last time I checked he didn't say anything noteworthy about Mei or Gaara either. But, let's not bring Madara in to this because Jiraiya wouldn't be able to beat him either.

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    • ^ fair enough, but Gaara should easily be able to defeat tsunade, Mei's abilities not sure

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    • Why does it matter if Gaara could beat Tsunade? Or Mei? Please stay on topic, which is Jiraiya vs. Tsunade.

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    • Jiraiya just takes it handily because he will be able to enter sage mode if he could against Pein who is a much tougher opponent considering there're multiple bodies along with summons much more powerful then Tsunade alone. In his sage mode I don't see her getting passed the collaborations of Ma and Pa or any of his summons.

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    • Dizmiz01 wrote: ^ fair enough, but Gaara should easily be able to defeat tsunade, Mei's abilities not sure

      Gaara's not-so-absolute defence is easily shattered by Tsunade.

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    • ^ sand isn't a solid single object it will disperse the impact also gaara can fly ll he needs to do is manipulate sand below him while he is safe in the sky. she won't hit him and he can put her in a tsunami.

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    • @Dizmiz With Tsunade's strength, she easily knock out any of Jiraiya's giant toads. Now even if he does enter Sage Mode, if the Human Path who isn't even that fast can not only have the reaction to stop Jiraiya's sneak attack and strength to stop it, then Tsunade sure can do the same. Due to Tsunade's regeneration, she'll heal from all of Jiraiya's attacks. Katsuyu can spray acid slime and can even be used to suffocate Jiraiya. This won't be an easy battle for either of them.

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    • It's not an easy win but Jiraiya has too many tools at his disposal, especially since tsunade is a crude fighter (comparatively) so she won't be able to take out his three big toads before they take out katsuya themselves along with ma and pa can use their genjutsu on her. I can't see tsunade winning unless they started one foot apart or she hit him with her most powerful punch in the perfect spot before he went into sage mode

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    • Jiraiya, While Tsunade could easily beat Jiraiya on a regular one on one no power up situation, that's not the case here. Jiraiya was able to fight off the pains and enter sage mode, you guys are forgetting his summonings, he just needs to summon one or two toads to help keep Tsunade off him and he then he can fight with odds on his side. Should she even be able to beat the toads, Jiraiya could still beat her with his now ranged attacks from sage mode. His ability to summon gargantuan creatures to help is his ace in the hole here. Tsunade could summon too, but I'm not so sure Katsuyu would be of much help against toads.

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    • @Andy Roque

      One punch is all Tsunade needs to knock out those "gargantuan toads" so really those summonings are not his "ace in the hole", but his Sage Mode is. The only reason Jiraiya was able to enter Sage Mode was because Gamaken could block some of Pain's summoning attacks and withstand their attacks. However, blocking Tsunade's attack is not a good decision.

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    • About summonings buying time for Jiraiya's SM. As I remember, those frogs are quite fast and agile despite their size, so I think it won't be so easy for Tsunade to actually hit them.

      Also we should keep that 'sannin being a three-way deadlock' thing in mind. Which basically goes Tsunade>Oro, Oro>Jiraiya AND Jiraiya>Tsunade (something you can check here: http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Sannin#Trivia)

      Conclusion: I'd bet my money on Jiraiya, and by gambling skills a far beyond Tsunade's.

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    • Jiraiya definitely wins.

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    • Elemental justu against a Byakugou User is unless, she can tank them and/or deflect them. He won't be able to enter Sage mode, let alone summon while engaging Tsunade. I honestly don't see Jiraiya doing anything but dodging Tsuande's attack, and Byakugou Tsunade is pretty fast, so I doubt he'd be about to dodge for long.

      There are lots of claims that Tsunade is weaker, but Jiraiya has shown nothing to stand toe to toe with her with, The problem is that Tsunades attacks are instant, and Jiraiya attacks require handseals...and even if he using on of his fire attacks, he must be stationary, that only leaves him open for attack.

      So to respond to the comment about how Jiraiya wouldn't fight a woman seriously after he has been peeping, all that he could do was run. The sad part is that these character opening admit inferiority to Tsunade and you guys still manage to thing they somehow one shot's her.

      Tsunade fought a rinnegan user, 5 susanoo's at a time, all will shared vision, and took them all down.

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    • Eric Jenkins wrote: Elemental justu against a Byakugou User is unless, she can tank them and/or deflect them. He won't be able to enter Sage mode, let alone summon while engaging Tsunade. I honestly don't see Jiraiya doing anything but dodging Tsuande's attack, and Byakugou Tsunade is pretty fast, so I doubt he'd be about to dodge for long.

      There are lots of claims that Tsunade is weaker, but Jiraiya has shown nothing to stand toe to toe with her with, The problem is that Tsunades attacks are instant, and Jiraiya attacks require handseals...and even if he using on of his fire attacks, he must be stationary, that only leaves him open for attack.

      So to respond to the comment about how Jiraiya wouldn't fight a woman seriously after he has been peeping, all that he could do was run. The sad part is that these character opening admit inferiority to Tsunade and you guys still manage to thing they somehow one shot's her.

      Tsunade fought a rinnegan user, 5 susanoo's at a time, all will shared vision, and took them all down.

      all jiraya needs to do is deal enough damage to tsunade till she eventually run out of chakra.seeing how good he is with ninjutsu he will be able to do that and tsunade is not fast all.

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    • TSUNADE isnt fast enough?....what did i just read?! lol Tsunade wins...High Difficulty of course, Jiraiya is a Sannin and Sage...but i dont see how he wins against her honestly. She is relentless and gives no openings, plus is almost immortal in battle! 1/10 of Katsuyu is many times size of a Tailed Beast alone...what is Jiraiya gon do? Katsuyu itself is from "shikotsu woods" which is a Sage boot camp...so we can assume it utilizes Senjutsu too

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    • We can't assume that it has senjutsu, that is like assuming that someone has fire jutsu just because they come from konoha.

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    • Kyle Ethan wrote: TSUNADE isnt fast enough?....what did i just read?! lol Tsunade wins...High Difficulty of course, Jiraiya is a Sannin and Sage...but i dont see how he wins against her honestly. She is relentless and gives no openings, plus is almost immortal in battle! 1/10 of Katsuyu is many times size of a Tailed Beast alone...what is Jiraiya gon do? Katsuyu itself is from "shikotsu woods" which is a Sage boot camp...so we can assume it utilizes Senjutsu too

      Katsuya is far of being a problem to jiraya.after all he also does have his own summons to counter tsunade's.when tsunade showed to be fast??give me a chapter reference,and you literally just made up that the katsuya can use senjutsu when it was never implied that.

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    • @Kratos

      He didn't say Tsunade was fast, just that how can you she isn't fast enough to deal with Jiraiya when he has practically no speed feats, aside from being in Sage Mode.

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    • What about reverse summoning? Couldn't Jiraiya have himself reverse summoned to Mt. Myoboku and then enter sage mode then return to battle to beat Tsunade, and even then be able to summon more toads to help him?

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    • Andy Roque wrote: What about reverse summoning? Couldn't Jiraiya have himself reverse summoned to Mt. Myoboku and then enter sage mode then return to battle to beat Tsunade, and even then be able to summon more toads to help him?

      Really? How would they know to summon him there? And if he is reverse summoned there, he'll be basically fleeing the battle.

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    • this is getting silly for people saying tsunade wins she never beat 5 susanoo especially not "real" full power ones, she isn't a fast ninja and is only good for tanking, she couldn't knock out one of jiraiya's summons in one punch you're vastly overestimating her strength she is strong but she's not one punching the toads who have been shown to have excellent stamina. Katsuya is no problem, Jiraiya is obviously faster with sage mode and entering it will be no problem if he hops on his toad's backs and charges while they leap away and then come back after he's ready which would be less than a minute most likely so its not fleeing. Jiraiya hands her a can of whooppasss

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    • Dizmiz01 wrote: this is getting silly for people saying tsunade wins she never beat 5 susanoo especially not "real" full power ones, she isn't a fast ninja and is only good for tanking, she couldn't knock out one of jiraiya's summons in one punch you're vastly overestimating her strength she is strong but she's not one punching the toads who have been shown to have excellent stamina. Katsuya is no problem, Jiraiya is obviously faster with sage mode and entering it will be no problem if he hops on his toad's backs and charges while they leap away and then come back after he's ready which would be less than a minute most likely so its not fleeing. Jiraiya hands her a can of whooppasss

      Tsunade using her Strength of a Hundred Technique could break Susanoo. If she can do that, she can most definitely knock out a toad with one punch. The toads having "excellent stamina" will make no difference if hit by Tsunade. It took Jiraiya a few minutes or so to summon Ma and Pa. Katsuyu is a threat to Jiraiya and his toads. She can spit acid and she can split into mini Katsuyu to avoid being slashed. But then again, if Katsuyu can withstand the attack of Pain's Almighty Push, I don't if slicing it would be easy. And nobody said Tsunade was fast. People are just commenting on how they say she's not that fast, but is fast enough to deal with Jiraiya in base.

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    • Rachin123 wrote:

      Andy Roque wrote: What about reverse summoning? Couldn't Jiraiya have himself reverse summoned to Mt. Myoboku and then enter sage mode then return to battle to beat Tsunade, and even then be able to summon more toads to help him?

      Really? How would they know to summon him there? And if he is reverse summoned there, he'll be basically fleeing the battle.

      He summons a toad, tells him, then has the toad go back, then they reverse summon Jiraiya. Sure, he is fleeing, but only for a time, there wasn't a time limit on the fight

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    • Andy Roque wrote: He summons a toad, tells him, then has the toad go back, then they reverse summon Jiraiya. Sure, he is fleeing, but only for a time, there wasn't a time limit on the fight

      Are you serious? It'd just be a waste of time.

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    • how does tsunade's punch breaking Susanoo implies that she can kill the toads???
      And what will stop the toads from countering tsunade with their own long range jutsu and send her flying somewhere else? if katsuyu is not a threat to the toads they will just eat her....And besides more the number of toads better will be cooperation ninjutsu attacks implies higher damage to the opponent(i.e. tsunade and katsuyu) so I don't see how jiraiya is vulnerable?[Aka don't forget that jiraiya stopped most of those summons during that attack in chunin exams]

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    • Tsunade "breaking" aka cracking or putting a sword into a incomplete susanoo not full powered doesn't mean she one punches a toad, also Jiraiya had that toad mouth he stayed in for awhile and could have kept on hiding from pain but he decided not too so he could probably stay in there while summoning ma and pa, BUT if he couldn't its totally reasonable to say he reverse summons out enters sage mode in an instant because of mount myobuku and come back and whoops her just because he didn't do it against pain doesn't mean he won't just like kakashi not using a water dragon against obito doesn't mean he can't lol. He has too many toads that are agile and their oil flame bombs will incinerate Katsuya who isn't fast at all.

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    • @Namikaze

      Yes the fact that Tsunade can do that to the ultimate defense, means that she can knock out a giant toad or do heavy damage. She was even able to lift Gamabunta's giant sword. Come on. Stop underestimating her strength. Abd long range jutsu? Like what? The Water Gun Shot? And even though the size difference is drastic, the Deva Path had no problem avoiding the grasp of Gamabunta. The Deva Path isn't even all that fast. Gamabunta is big and agile, he should've gotten the advantage, but didn't. And Jiraiya stopped one summon, the giant three-headed snake. Don't exaggerate.

      @Dizmiz

      Tsunade indeed did break the entire front on Susanoo's ribcage with two strikes. Jiraiya could've did that. But his summon will have to fight his battle and the fact that you think is will be able to handle Tsunade and Katsuyu is beyond me. And no I'm not saying can't do it, I'm saying he won't. And stop making it seem like he's going to summon an army of toads. The most toads he has shown to summon were 2. First have no idea if Katsuyu will even be incinerated by the toad oil bomb, as her slime may resist some of the damage. Even the Toad Oil Bomb is a cooperation technique that needs Jiraiya too, which leaves an opening for Tsunade to attack. And it's laughable that people want to make Jiraiya flee the battle so he can enter Sage Mode and return. Pathetic.

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    • lol but if he does flee and comes back in sage mode a moment later and kills her who is pathetic now....and he has the chakra to summon the 3 toads at once she won't deal with them easily jiraiya takes it anyway you cut this cookie

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    • Rachin123 wrote: @Namikaze

      Yes the fact that Tsunade can do that to the ultimate defense, means that she can knock out a giant toad or do heavy damage. She was even able to lift Gamabunta's giant sword. Come on. Stop underestimating her strength. Abd long range jutsu? Like what? The Water Gun Shot? And even though the size difference is drastic, the Deva Path had no problem avoiding the grasp of Gamabunta. The Deva Path isn't even all that fast. Gamabunta is big and agile, he should've gotten the advantage, but didn't. And Jiraiya stopped one summon, the giant three-headed snake. Don't exaggerate.

      @Dizmiz

      Tsunade indeed did break the entire front on Susanoo's ribcage with two strikes. Jiraiya could've did that. But his summon will have to fight his battle and the fact that you think is will be able to handle Tsunade and Katsuyu is beyond me. And no I'm not saying can't do it, I'm saying he won't. And stop making it seem like he's going to summon an army of toads. The most toads he has shown to summon were 2. First have no idea if Katsuyu will even be incinerated by the toad oil bomb, as her slime may resist some of the damage. Even the Toad Oil Bomb is a cooperation technique that needs Jiraiya too, which leaves an opening for Tsunade to attack. And it's laughable that people want to make Jiraiya flee the battle so he can enter Sage Mode and return. Pathetic.

      when did deva path dodge water gun shot?and what about toad oil bomb??
      the best option would be to use dark swamp from which she won't escape and would die a slow suffocating death....

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    • @Dizmiz

      You can't tell how many toads he can summon. Two has shown to be the amount he has donr at once so stop. And yes it's quite pathetic. Fleeing a battle just to get enhanced is quite pathetic. Whether he comes back or not is besides the point. The point is to battle.

      @Namikaze

      I didn't say the Deva Path dodged the Water Gun Shot. I said it avoided Gamabunta's grasp. When Naruto was out of Sage Mode, Gamabunta tried to stop the Deva Path from getting to him, but the Deva Path avoided him with just agility and speed alone. So size doesn't always matter. If Jiraiya summons a toad, Tsunade summons Katsuyu. I hear that due slugs slime that are somewhat resistant to fire, if that's the case with Katsuyu I'm not too sure, but it is it'd minimal damage. And the Toad Oil Bomb is a collaboration. Which while they are distracted by Katsuyu, Tsunade goes in for a sneak attack. As for the earth swamp, it could work on Tsunade if she isn't already standing on Katsuyu'd head, which will allow Tsunade enough time to escape and can desummon Katsuyu so she won't "suffocate".

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    • Thinking better,thanks to his regenerative powes it will be really hard to kill tsunade..Jiraya is not madara that can spam titanic sized jutsus to force tsunade to uuse his healing powers till run out of chakra.in fact most of Jiraya jutsus can easily be avoided,and he won't be able to enter in sage mode.

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    • @Rachin123 so its pathetic if he leaves and comes back and kills her....when it took an instant? its not like he's cheating or bringing a gun to a knife fight lol she could do the same it just won't be of any use to her? and I'm pretty sure in the anime he had 3 toads summoned at once. he sacks tsunade up and down the floor until her overhyped behind gives up like the weakling of the senju clan she is lol

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    • @Dizmiz

      Him coming back and being able to kill her has nothing to do with it. He is fleeing from battle. And no Jiraiya did not have 3 toads summoned at once, that's a lie. If so, give a reference. I honestly can't even take you seriously because you are bias. You bash on Tsunade any chance you get. Smh

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    • lol it was anime he had three big toads summoned while fighting pain if I remember correctly. but Im not bias I just don't overhype characters, and going to extremes is pathetic? so its pathetic naruto or sasuke need to use bijou bombs and susanoo lol I'm shaking my head because of your bias

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    • @Dizmiz

      You are bias. You have always bashed on Tsunade. Stop lying. The proof is in the forums. And no you don't remember correctly. You misunderstand, when I say such extremes I mean he might as well just summon Ma and Pa to just enter Sage Mode. He will bejng doing unnecessary work. And Jiraiya did not summon 3 giant toads to fight Pain at once. How am hardly bias. Never proved anything of sort. I established Tsunade's strengths and weaknesses, but don't even do that. All you do is down her. So do as you do and comment on yet another Tsunade thread to bring your bias opinions to it.

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    • I will bring my factual evidence based opinions to every discussion as a goo debater does. aka she loses to jiraiya

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    • Rachin123 wrote: @Dizmiz

      Him coming back and being able to kill her has nothing to do with it. He is fleeing from battle. And no Jiraiya did not have 3 toads summoned at once, that's a lie. If so, give a reference. I honestly can't even take you seriously because you are bias. You bash on Tsunade any chance you get. Smh

      He is fleeing but so what? He's a ninja, there's no battle law or ninja code being broken, there's literally nothing wrong with him using this tactic, what does it matter if he flees? He will still fight, there's no rule saying he can't flee

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    • @Dizmiz

      Using that way, Jiraiya is doing it the hard way. It's just ridiculous. But whatever floats your boat.

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    • its easier to run and come back and win the sit there and lose which sage mode or not he has her number

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    • By that logic, why can't Tsunade do the same and flee to replenish her chakra? Hell, let's go back and add this option for every fight. Naruto vs Sasuke? Sasuke says "Screw this!" and buggers off to continue the fight another day. Hashirama vs Madara? Hashi says "I'm not in the mood for this right now." and flees to continue the fight another day.

      @Andy Roque

      In versus battles there's a few unspoken rules, like all combatants having intent to kill. I'd put fleeing a battle in the same category as using kamui to hide yourself until your opponent dies. That is, it doesn't make for a good fight, and therefore not good discussion.

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    • ^ I wouldn't use those examples because that is fleeing and not coming back but I get what you're saying

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    • In all honesty I don't think tsunade is one hitting the toads I mean look at how far and quickly they can jump and maneuver. And to say three toads could hold pain for the length of how ever long it takes to summon ma and pa yet can't at least defend themselfs against tsunade is a little ridiculous, albeit jiraiya did have somewhat of an environmental advantage in that fight as soon as he enters sage mode it's over her healing abilities are great and all but she's not catching jiraiya at that point no matter how you slice it, another point is ma and pa have that hella potent genjustu wether or not she can break it is beside the point because those mere seconds it will give him are enough to easily use some sort of trap justu I'm not too versed in these two but I just don't see tsunade winning she's never displayed any real tactical or battle IQ in the form of planning and strats and what not and the fact J dogg lasted as long as he did against what was 3-4 paths of pain clearly he has at least some form of battle intelligence

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    • People often underestimate Tsunade's durability and how that can become a detrimental factor when you consider the acquisition of her seal and the beneficial aspects granted.

      The Strength of a Hundred Seal is the essence of her Ninshu, reputed for it's enormous level of chakra and the functions enabled. It holds three primary uses; great power in strength , advanced medical utility and the summon of Katsuyu. This doesn't particularly give Tsunade the versatility one would need in a combat of the fittest. However, the sheer volumetric efficiency in her techniques compensates for the lack of Ninjutsu she does not have and instead performs on a collateral level to overwhelm her opponent.

      Jiraiya is quite the opposite, he is more distant with his techniques and is well listed. However, with time becoming his main concern; his base form of attack would give the necessary openings for Tsunade to gradually take control of the fight before Jiraiya entered Toad Sage Mode.

      In base, Tsunade's strength is very strong as is her speed. Jariya has demonstrated a moderate speed gain contrasting Tsunade, though the former is more agile. Much like her fight with Orochimaru and Madara Uchiha, Tsunade considers advantage favours those who strike first. Her Heavenly Foot of Pain would have instantly changed the terrains flooring, pounding in ferociously with the might of her fist. Jiraiya wouldn't want to engage in a Taijutsu faceoff with Tsunade, close proximities would be a problematic significance for him. I don't believe he has the physical capability to keep up with Tsunade's expulsion of chakra being a continuous dishevelment, reforming to prepare for Toad Sage Mode and summoning a Mount Myoboku Toad to occupy her. Either a singular Toad or multiple, Tsunade's monstrous strength has the immediacy of defeating them with one blow. In the events of a collaborative technique, Tsunade would summon forth Katsuyu of the Shikkotsu Forest; using her highly resistant body as a protective barrier — especially at her current size, where smaller portions were able to withstand Deva Path's Almighty Push and would suffice in the same manner but tenfold. Tsunade would eventually have to active her Strength of a Hundred Seal to close the distance and aim to connect a direct hit. The vitality of this technique in its optimum gives Tsunade a momentarily recovered state, her speed notably gaining enough to initiate a final, point blank deliverance.

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    • tsunade gets solo'd by 0ro Jiraiya Mei Raikage....(insert kage level or better)

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    • Dizmiz01 wrote: tsunade gets solo'd by 0ro Jiraiya Mei Raikage....(insert kage level or better)

      They have nothing to do with the battle, but of course you know that. You just want to try to bash her. Don't you have anything better to do than to carry so much hate for a fictional character?

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    • Rachin123 wrote:

      Dizmiz01 wrote: tsunade gets solo'd by 0ro Jiraiya Mei Raikage....(insert kage level or better)

      They have nothing to do with the battle, but of courae you know that. You just want to try to bash her. Don't you have anything better to do than to carry so much hate for a fictional character?

      Do you have anything better to do then worry about my non bashing manga fact spewingness? Tsunade is lovely just not a fighter but sorry she gets solo'd in this battle within 2 minutes 😂

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    • @Dizmiz

      Okay whatever dude. Just stay on topic.

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    • Rachin123 wrote: @Dizmiz

      Okay whatever dude. Just stay on topic.

      Don't worry he's a tsunade hater.

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    • Thekillman wrote: Don't worry he's a tsunade hater.

      What's the point? Rachin told him that more times.

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    • Tsunade as a character i don't hate just the overhype, carry on

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    • Whenever I hear "Tsunade is the weakest of the Sannin" I feel like people are comparing the Sannin through their disciples. It shouldn't need to be said but Orochimaru and Jiraiya are no Sasuke and Naruto, not even close. Unlike Team 7 the Sannin were said to all be fairly even, any "not even close" verdicts are ridiculous.

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    • Rachin123 wrote:

      Dizmiz01 wrote: that is not the theme of the sannin they're just all strong, but if it was then you would have to argue it would be a tie of they're equal, and Madara was less impressed by her then any other kage that was fighting.

      Until she activated her Strength of a Hundred Technique.

      I even signed in to give this kudos

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    • JavelinR wrote: Whenever I hear "Tsunade is the weakest of the Sannin" I feel like people are comparing the Sannin through their disciples. It shouldn't need to be said but Orochimaru and Jiraiya are no Sasuke and Naruto, not even close. Unlike Team 7 the Sannin were said to all be fairly even, any "not even close" verdicts are ridiculous.

      when was said that all the sannins were equal of even suggested that they were equal???

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    • Kratos123456 wrote:

      JavelinR wrote: Whenever I hear "Tsunade is the weakest of the Sannin" I feel like people are comparing the Sannin through their disciples. It shouldn't need to be said but Orochimaru and Jiraiya are no Sasuke and Naruto, not even close. Unlike Team 7 the Sannin were said to all be fairly even, any "not even close" verdicts are ridiculous.

      when was said that all the sannins were equal of even suggested that they were equal???

      jiraiya at top tsunade at bottom jiraiya wins

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    • I am upset!!! I don't see my post anywhere.

      In regards to all the stuff i placed in that post...

      Either of them can win.

      Tsunade can kick his ass. He can kick her ass. Want reasons that the damned site failed to post (when i wrote most of them down) I'll rewrite it AGAIN! MAybe this time it will register my comment.

      They both can win given the right circumstances. Stop saying that Tsunade would lose outright, because with that same logic, Jiraiya could lose outright too.

      You want me to relist my reasons and proof...tell me so i could do it. I can back both of them equally but why would i back Jiraiya when 97% of you guys already say he would win outright? Tsunade is a perfectly good character that Kishi could have done better. Don't be putting the characters down. They all have their talents. Stop putting Tsunade down. Give credit and respect where it is due and Tsunade MOST DEFINITELY deserves some

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    • Rika.Tsunade&Mei wrote: why would i back Jiraiya when 97% of you guys already say he would win

      You probably don't read the same debate as I.

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    • @Minato 87 and you dont either. apparently you read one and not the other. i wonder which one that is...

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