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  • Here's the discussion thread for the latest episode. I'm personally really enjoying these fillers as they're expanding on a backstory barely explained (sure there's plotholes, but when did anyone have to be perfect?). Today's filler is one I'd love to have never watched...

    How would you rate Episode 468?
     
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    The poll was created at 11:05 on July 21, 2016, and so far 148 people voted.

    As always, no illegal links and/or asking about where to watch the episode!

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    • I haven't expected to see THAT next week btw... o_o

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    • After watching the episode.... WHAT THE FUCK STUDIO PIERROT?! WHY DID YOU MAKE INDRA AND ASURA JUST COPIES OF SASUKE AND NARUTO?!?!?!?!

      And WHY ANOTHER FILLER? WE DON'T NEED TO SEE YOUNG NARUTO ON STUPID MISSIONS AGAIN!

      @Shakhmoot: Is the next episode on next week or do we have to wait another two weeks (or more) for the return to the manga events?

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    • And now the bold bastards may go crazy over Indra's MS design being Sasuke's in the filler episode and not the swirl design we saw in the manga...

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    • [Facepalm] C`mon, not again...

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    • I must say, the music in this episode was used masterfully. They even dug in the archives from the original series.

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    • So, wait a second, next week's episode. Didn't they literally do this episode before at one point, either in Shippuden or the original series? I'd swear they're pawning off an older episode as original.

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    • DXAshram wrote: So, wait a second, next week's episode. Didn't they literally do this episode before at one point, either in Shippuden or the original series? I'd swear they're pawning off an older episode as original.

      Yes, it seems very very similar to Episode 101. I wouldn't be surprised if it was literally the same mission but with a change to make it sound original.

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    • SuperSajuuk wrote: After watching the episode.... WHAT THE FUCK STUDIO PIERROT?! WHY DID YOU MAKE INDRA AND ASURA JUST COPIES OF SASUKE AND NARUTO?!?!?!?!

      And WHY ANOTHER FILLER? WE DON'T NEED TO SEE YOUNG NARUTO ON STUPID MISSIONS AGAIN!

      @Shakhmoot: Is the next episode on next week or do we have to wait another two weeks (or more) for the return to the manga events?

      That stupid mission is canon btw, we got to see it sooo soon :) ... And yeah we'll get to manga events in the week after..

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    • So Ashura can use wood release, Indra has the same MS design Sasuke had (since sasuke now has the EMS).....

      This ep was a let-down for me, 2/5

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    • Great episode! And next week holy shit we're getting the Kakashi face reveal animated! Hype!

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    • And SP completely killed the hype of Hagoromo. Next episode is a flashback that has absolutely nothing to do with what is going on? I would really like to see what the filler-lovers have to say about this abysmal episode

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    • Chrillbill wrote: Great episode! And next week holy shit we're getting the Kakashi face reveal animated! Hype!

      How is this "great"? Even for me, someone who didn't mind some of the previous fillers, finds this a disgracefully cheap episode and utterly pathetic by Pierrot to just "end" the filler quickly. Or do you not mind the fact Indra's MS doesn't even match his manga depiction at all?

      And the filler next week is not "new" whatsoever, they are reusing an old episode for absolutely no reason whatsoever, we don't need a whole repeat of Episode 101 again.

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    • SuperSajuuk wrote:

      How is this "great"? Even for me, someone who didn't mind some of the previous fillers, finds this a disgracefully cheap episode and utterly pathetic by Pierrot to just "end" the filler quickly. Or do you not mind the fact Indra's MS doesn't even match his manga depiction at all?

      And the filler next week is not "new" whatsoever, they are reusing an old episode for absolutely no reason whatsoever, we don't need a whole repeat of Episode 101 again.

      Am I not allowed to have an opinion? I can agree that it's a bit lazy to have Indra have the same MS as Sasuke but it doesn't bother me too much honestly.

      Also you're wrong about next week, it's not a repeat of episode 101 because it's going to be based on the omake chapter Kishi made where we actually get to see Kakashi's real face, that's why I'm excited for next week.

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    • Curse of the Final Filler Episode strikes again.

      Pierrot demonstrates it has no clue about the origins of techniques. Sasuke didn't invent Chidori. Naruto didn't invent Rasengan. It makes no sense for the original transmigrants to have them.

      Pierrot demonstrates it has no clue about the Mangekyou. If Indra can have Sasuke's design, why did Madara not have them?

      Pierrot demonstrates it has no clue about the series ("everyone give me your power". I didn't realize i was watching DBZ).

      For some reason Hagoromo is completely powerless to stop Indra even though he has Rinnegan

      For some reason Ashura never uses his TSB's

      For some reason Ashura suddenly has Wood Release.

      This episode was a clusterfuck

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    • Chrillbill wrote: Am I not allowed to have an opinion? I can agree that it's a bit lazy to have Indra have the same MS as Sasuke but it doesn't bother me too much honestly.

      Who said you weren't allowed to have an opinion?

      Also you're wrong about next week, it's not a repeat of episode 101 because it's going to be based on the omake chapter Kishi made where we actually get to see Kakashi's real face, that's why I'm excited for next week.

      It's still an irrelevant filler that could have easily been put after the Kaguya/Sasuke battle. We just went through nearly 2 months of an Asura/Indra filler, it's a kick in the teeth to be taken back to pre-timeskip Naruto for something not even remotely necessary at this point in time.

      And regardless of whether it's from Kishi or not, it's still going on about Kakashi's face, which we already heard about in a previous omake. The manga finished well over 1.5 years ago, so why are the animators deliberately waiting to reach 2 years since the manga ended to conclude the anime's coverage of the manga? Not needed in the slightest.

      Pierrot needs lessons in how to accurately put in fillers into the series, since it seems they've missed a number of crucial points about how to do it properly.

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    • I'm glad to have seen you come around Sajuuk. It started off strong, but so did the Chunin Exam filler, the Shadow of the Anbu filler, and the IT filler. Just give Pierrot enough time, and they'll mess something up. Its all about the money for them it seems.

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    • Wrong Indra's Ms has ruined the episode. u.u

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    • Sharingan91 wrote: Wrong Indra's Ms has ruined the episode. u.u

      As well as Asura's Shinsusenju from nothing (instead of the canon six-armed avatar).

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    • Ravenlot 27 wrote:

      Sharingan91 wrote: Wrong Indra's Ms has ruined the episode. u.u

      As well as Asura's Shinsusenju from nothing (instead of the canon six-armed avatar).

      eh no.... we can justify this because Asura received the power of the father.

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    • Asura has never demonstrated any signs of the Wood Release, even in this filler. Him using the most powerful WR technique all of sudden was as messed up as Indra's MS. His Kurama-like chakra avatar would've made at least some sense. Hagoromo's gift can't be an excuse here since it never granted someone a WR. In fact, the episode clearly showed that it actually granted him TSBs, i.e. Six Paths Senjutsu, likely in the form of the SPSM as in Naruto's case, but that's all.

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    • Ravenlot 27 wrote: In fact, the episode clearly showed that it actually granted him TSBs, i.e. Six Paths Senjutsu, likely in the form of the SPSM as in Naruto's case, but that's all.

      I'm pretty sure it's the TBs inside Asura that gave him TSBs, just like how Madara, Obito, and Naruto got theirs. Naruto only showed having the TSBs after activating "Ten-Tails Chakra Mode", so it's more likely that the TSBs are related to TB than SPSM, but that's just my opinion though.

      But about the episode, other than all those nonsense, at least we get to see Asura's children, right?

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    • Anyway, the damn episode screwed it up completely, it's even worse than the 462-th episode with Hagoromo/Hamura vs Kaguya thing.

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    • This episode made EMS Madara and Hahsirama seem like Godly beings compared to the Brothers and even the Sage himself! Seriously, SM Hashirama created SS with own his chakra and not the Sage's and EMS Madara PS seemed way more destructive and powerful. Hagoromo's hype was destroyed completely.

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    • Holy shit,good job Pierrot.

      Pierrot doesn't give a shit about naruto its all about the money

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    • Hagoromo mustn't be present at the fightscene at all, he still was a TTJ and not even on the brink of death, if he was there, he could've end the battle by defeating Indra himself pretty quickly instead of making Asura struggle.

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    • Ravenlot, we all know "it was Ashura's battle."

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    • Ravenlot 27 wrote: Hagoromo mustn't be present at the fightscene at all, he still was a TTJ and not even on the brink of death, if he was there, he could've end the battle by defeating Indra himself pretty quickly instead of making Asura struggle.

      In the anime he just has the Bijuu not a TTJ at all... This makes me laugh but the episode proves that EMS Madara and SM Hashirama >>>>> Indra and Ashura... At least Periot gave EMS Madara and SM Hashirama their hype back haha

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    • so why didn't Naruto didn't get WR??Afterall he is also a Ashura transmigrant!

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    • Namikazenaruto9 wrote: so why didn't Naruto didn't get WR??Afterall he is also a Ashura transmigrant!

      Because the anime is weird like that.

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    • Namikazenaruto9 wrote: so why didn't Naruto didn't get WR??Afterall he is also a Ashura transmigrant!

      Not gonna lie, for a good minute there I read "WR" as "Wind Release" rather than "Wood Release".

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    • WindStar7125 wrote: Not gonna lie, for a good minute there I read "WR" as "Wind Release" rather than "Wood Release".

      You're not alone, bro.

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    • I should have thought about it...WR could also mean wind release

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    • NO!!! I regret to watch the preview!!

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    • Was looking forward to Ashura's battle avatar so much and then they just go and fuck me....1/5

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    • I don't think Hagoromo gave Asura Wood Release, it's a kekkei genkai. Hagoromo just gave Asura Six Paths Senjutsu. Asura probably already had genes for Wood Release, he just was totally untalented to use chakra properly to use Wood Release. Six Paths Senjutsu gives one knowledge over chakra, so after that he just figured it out instantly how he can use a power that he already had.

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    • Elve, I agree. This is how I've always thought it to be. Thinking about it, Hagoromo should have all advanced nature Kekkei Genkai, right? Asura could've inherited one or two of them. This is, of course, mere speculation, but the probability isn't low, is it?

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    • so...it seems like ashura required so6ps power and still wasnt able to win, and than the power of tiny little humans made such a immense difference?

      sigh, i really shouldnt expect a single sh*t from this fillers but whatever...at least there had been a PS and a wood-buddha...

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    • ^No, not really, but you got a rough idea of it.

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    • ^what do you mean?

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    • I think it wasn't the amount of chakra they gave him I think its supposed to signify that unlike Indra, Ashura performs when it's for other people and to protect them so when he could feel their love (the original idea of Ninshu) its awakened his power so he could fight his brother for them not just himself? i hated the episode the wood release was stupid

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    • What? I don't even...How?

      • We're not even gonna talk about Indra's MS design. It's Chris Benoit because we're pretending it didn't happen.
      • Looks like they nerfed Hagoromo to hell.
      • What was said to be a titanic battle was turned into Asura using the power of friendship to curb stomp Indra.

      There were only two redeeming portions of this episode: Hagoromo's death and the implication that we'll finally see Kakashi's face in the next episode. That's too random for right now, though. I would have preferred if they saved all these side stories for an arc after finishing the main story, like they did in Part I.

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    • Dizmiz01 wrote: I think it wasn't the amount of chakra they gave him I think its supposed to signify that unlike Indra, Ashura performs when it's for other people and to protect them so when he could feel their love (the original idea of Ninshu) its awakened his power so he could fight his brother for them not just himself? i hated the episode the wood release was stupid

      didnt ninshu use energy too? i thought the "love" thing was for governing ninshu not for the energy it handles :/

      either way, yeah, wood release was BS and to be honest, so was anything else about their fight...

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    • Yeah but I think they meant the "power" of ninshu was originally chakra connecting peoples' heart's not using fireballs but when they sent their chakra to Ashura he felt them and matured instantly to mad skills because of his six paths sage mode so he could instantly use mad powers. But yeah they should have kept the manga way and had ashura use a massive orange battle avatar with TSB's and let the fight play out long it was like watching hashirama vs madara again

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    • ^true, seeing 5 or 10 episodes of constant fighting similar to DBZ wouldnt be so bad if im honest, at least better than all the previous filler :D

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    • I honestly can't recall the last time the anime made my brain hurt as much as this. It was just so wrong.

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    • The fight was lazy and that plot point about Kanna falling in love with Asura went nowhere. The music, while nice, didn't do much to improve this episode's quality. I give it 1/5.

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    • Georgio722 wrote:

      Ravenlot 27 wrote: In fact, the episode clearly showed that it actually granted him TSBs, i.e. Six Paths Senjutsu, likely in the form of the SPSM as in Naruto's case, but that's all.

      I'm pretty sure it's the TBs inside Asura that gave him TSBs, just like how Madara, Obito, and Naruto got theirs. Naruto only showed having the TSBs after activating "Ten-Tails Chakra Mode", so it's more likely that the TSBs are related to TB than SPSM, but that's just my opinion though.

      But about the episode, other than all those nonsense, at least we get to see Asura's children, right?

      Naruto's use of the truth seeking balls have nothing to do with ten tails chakra mode. Naruto and sasuke were each given six paths chakra this resulted in Sasuke gaining a Rinnegan, naruto already had senjutsu so when he activated the six paths chakra and senjutsu simultaneously he got the senjutsu of the six paths. the senjutsu of the six paths gives one knowledge of chakra and all things universal. hence he got the truth seeking balls

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    • Also to point out the Shinsu Senju thing Asura used was a type of measure for us fans to use. Basically with the help of 15 people, Asura got enough chakra to rival Sage Mode Hashirama. Basically thanks to this it helps my theory be proven more truer than ever before. Now we know how Asura got the chakra needed to use the chakra avatar state we see once again in this episode.

      Glad we can finally close the case on the "Was Kurama the one to give Naruto and Minato chakra mode?" The answer...Kurama provided the chakra but it was Naruto and Minato's blood that provided the skill. A skill that Asura and Toneri both shared(in their own unique way).

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    • The chakra multiheaded avatar can still be seen for a brief moment in this episode, but it was left unexplained. Hagoromo indeed gave Asura actual power as this episode 'proved' (non-canon nonetheless) Six Paths Senjutsu, which resulted in Asura's improved skill of chakra manipulation and Truth Seeking Balls... then Wood Release came out of nowhere and even later the Kurama-like avatar, so shrugs.

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    • Just when you think Studio Pierrot can't do anything worse with these fillers, they keep proving us wrong. I mean, Indra has the same Mangekyo Sharingan as Sasuke and Asura has Wood style?

      Neither makes any sense and I was always under the impression that Hagoromo died after his sons did. The only thing close to a highlight in this episode is getting to hear Sadness and Sorrow again for the first time in Shippuden and as for Asura and Kanna becoming an item, I can take or leave but it would of been nice to see who was crazy enough to end up with Indra.

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    • At this point I would preferred Indra with Shikotsumyaku. LOL

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    • Well, although I've openly admitted that this episode was a total mess, the scene with final conversation of Hagoromo and Indra impressed me anyway, especially this Sorrow soundtrack from part 1 and Indra's great vow (or rather a curse) to reincarnate and continue fighting onwards.

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    • as for Hagoromo being nerfed. you have to take into account a few things

      1. When Hagoromo was going around the world fixing stuff such as the bridge he stated that he believed no one person should have two much power. so he no longer used chakra the way he did when he fought his mother. so it can be inferred he got really really rusty 2. the premise of Naruto is that each generation gets stronger than the last. so it can be inferred that all though Hagoromo had incredible power compared to the people of his time, that he he might not have as much chakra volume as the people of naruto's era. this is logical because the people in naruto's Era train as warriors where in Hagoromo developed his chakra differently. 3. one of the things we learn early on is that a shinobi can develop there quality and quantity of there chakra as time goes on by meditation or physical activity. so it can be assumed that with each passing generation of Shinobi, they developed chakra that was of a far better quality and quantity. 4. Asura developed his power with the help of a number of people, but the people of ninshu were not war like, Hashirama grew up in a time of constant warfare against other individuals who were using chakra for warfare so he developed to a different degree, No power up from hagoromo and no power up from countless shinobi. one thing he also had was a fragment of asura's chakra clinging to him so over time he evolved and matured into gaining the wood release of asura. we know that indra and asura's transmigrants are influenced by indra and asura's presence but who is to say that its not also the other way around. and that indra and asura's chakra clinging to a new host is also influenced so essentially each successive transmigrant has not only the combined power of themselves and indra or asura but themselves and the last transmigrants IE sasuke has power influenced from indra, madara and any other of indra's transmigrants and naruto has power that was influenced from the combination of asura, hashirama and any other possible transmigrants.

      i will give you an example lets say naruto's great grandson is a transmigrant. and early on that great grand child develops and awakens asura's power if that child decides to spend every waking hour on meditation and physical training to expand upon his chakra quality and volume. would he be stuck at the same power level asura was|? I think not. if he has more chakra than asura did then he definitely would be stronger than asura. and volume does also influence quality

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    • Think we're overreacting a bit, we're not supposed to think too hard about these things and just form theories based on it. Especially since the director himself said he consulted Kishimoto a lot about Indra and Asura before making these episodes.

      Indra and Asura I think developed the principals which would later become the Chidori and Rasengan respectfully, with Kakashi and Minato rediscovering them. Obviously they aren't the same technique, just predecessors to what would become said techniques.

      That said, I enjoyed the episode. The action was surprisingly top notch, it was badass seeing Asura block a Perfect Susanoo slash with a Gudodama, and him using Shinsusenju makes a bit of sense since he manipulated all the chakra from the Ninshu followers to form the Mokuton Kekkei Genkai.

      Hagoromo could have ended this at any time, but that wouldn't have solved anything I thought. Asura needed to learn to stand on his own two feet.

      That said...I really don't think 'Kakashi's mask' episode needs to be an episode at all. Turn it into an after episode OVA like what we got to the build up of the Pain arc, but not a full episode. Makes it seem like SP has really ran out of ideas.

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    • WHEN will the fillers end?!

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    • SSJ2AJB wrote: WHEN will the fillers end?!

      Calm down, dude, one more episode, and we're back to canon.

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    • Ravenlot 27 wrote: Calm down, dude, one more episode, and we're back to canon.

      The real question is, how long will canon last before we get to fillers again?

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    • ^ There won't be any more fillers after this. The director said the anime can't exceed the manga's chapters in episodes.

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    • Very surprising to see the amount of hatred this episode is getting. After Hagoromo awakened a Sharingan and later manifested a Susanoo (two abilities he was never said to have possessed before), I figured people knew what they were getting themselves into by now. Stuff like this shouldn't come as a surprise anymore.

      It was a little ridiculous with Asura literally using the Rasengan, and while I would have preferred to see more of the chakra avatar, I was surprisingly satisfied with their battle. Though I wish there was a larger emphasis on their own individual techniques rather than a carbon copy of Naruto/Hashirama & Sasuke/Madara, it was still an entertaining battle in an almost mindless sense.

      Also don't know why everyone is complaining about next week's episode. I was really hoping they would do the Kakashi reveal in the anime, so I'm just happy we're getting it at all- regardless of it's placement. Plus, on the bright side, there is supposed to be some content from the Kaguya battle as well, so there are slight chances we may see some content from the excellent chapter #684. Therefore, since the animation looks extremely beautiful, I am very much anticipating next week!

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    • KirinNOTKarin98 wrote: Also don't know why everyone is complaining about next week's episode. I was really hoping they would do the Kakashi reveal in the anime, so I'm just happy we're getting it at all- regardless of it's placement.

      I'd say the issue isn't that we're getting that, is when we're getting that. Do all the filler you want, just do it after you finish covering canon.

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    • Make sure to include 0/5 rating for next week.

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    • I really enjoyed the episode. I cheered a little too loudly when Indra caught that E. Honda combo at the end of the fight.

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    • ConTraZ VII wrote: Make sure to include 0/5 rating for next week.

      I used to mention that all the time, but people hardly ever remember.

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    • I hope they will finish up the Kaguya final battle arc in August and the final arc in September.

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    • one thing i thought was Interesting was that Indra and Ashura made the choice to transmigrate across time. Hagoromo's description of the events in the manga made it appear that Indra and Ashura became so powerful and invested in there war with each other that they unknowingly and unwillingly transmigrated . it makes it more interesting that they had absolute control over the migration

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    • So we get no explanation to wht the deal is with ashura's six armed avatar and is not used in battle against indra but oh look will show him use true several thousand hands to finish the fight against indra. just fuck clean off pierrot.

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    • When everyone was combining their chakra and giving it to Asura, I was all ready for the six-armed chakra mech to appear, and I was thinking how I felt about that as an explanation for it. "Sure, it looks a lot like a tailed beast cloak, but I guess Hagoromo's chakra alone could make something like that. It makes enough sense I guess. I wonder if it'll really be way smaller than Susanoo like it was in that manga panel." When the Shinsusenju popped out instead, I literally couldn't believe my eyes. Who in their right mind even came up with that?

      Also, Indra having the same Mangekyō pattern and Susanoo colour as Sasuke but not Madara is really dumb, as everyone else has already said.

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    • the avatar wasn't smaller?^ I think that was just perspective, but i was hyped to see it pop onto the scene like yoooo six paths powers makes his own avatar with the TSB's but I knew something was fishy when the people sent blue color chakra and It didn't come from within him but the wood style came out of nowhere like someone they're different people they don't need the same abilities, so apparently minato didn't invent the rasengan

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    • Another thing that's really annoying is that after the scenes with Asura and Indra Hagoromo mentions that they continuously reincarnated into other bodies, and then eventually into Hashirama and Madara, which would make sense considering how many millennia ago these events were. If this was supposed to be an epic battle spanning generations of two families killing each other, where the hell are the other reincarnations of Asura and Indra?

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    • SuperSaiyaMan wrote: ^ There won't be any more fillers after this. The director said the anime can't exceed the manga's chapters in episodes.

      You actually believe that? There are like, 700+10+1 chapters of the Naruto manga created by Kishi. And no more filler? That'll be the day. I'd have to see that to believe it.

      EDIT: Wrong info.

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    • Dizmiz01 wrote: the avatar wasn't smaller?^ I think that was just perspective, but i was hyped to see it pop onto the scene like yoooo six paths powers makes his own avatar with the TSB's but I knew something was fishy when the people sent blue color chakra and It didn't come from within him but the wood style came out of nowhere like someone they're different people they don't need the same abilities, so apparently minato didn't invent the rasengan

      If it's just perspective, it's not very well done. Indra and Asura are the same size in the panel, yet Asura's avatar is only about the size of Indra's avatar's head. It very well could have been meant as perspective though, seeing as Naruto's six-armed Kurama was the same size as Sasuke's Susanoo later on. At any rate, it was a strange artistic choice not to just draw all of Susanoo.

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    • agreed I never noticed the size of Asura and Indra in the avatars

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    • WindStar7125 wrote:

      SuperSaiyaMan wrote: ^ There won't be any more fillers after this. The director said the anime can't exceed the manga's chapters in episodes.

      You actually believe that? Assuming that's true, we're on episode 468. There are like, 700+10+1 chapters of the Naruto manga created by Kishi. And no more filler? That'll be the day. I'd have to see that to believe it.

      Actually, it's 688 (including original Naruto, 220 episodes).

      So yeah, 12 episodes to go, approximately to end this summer or autumn.

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    • ConTraZ VII wrote: Actually, it's 688 (including original Naruto, 220 episodes).

      So yeah, 12 episode to get, approximately to end this summer or autumn.

      Oh, that's right. Forgot about the first 220 episodes.

      So the Naruto anime would really end in a couple months? Nah, still not buying it. I at least wanted to see the anime versions of the novels.

      But back to the actual episode before I unintentionally take this off-topic: SP could have at least shown Asura's battle avatar rather than showing off Wood Jutsu. That disappointed me, honestly.

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    • On the topic of Indra's MS, is the original image still floating around the wiki?

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    • Horrendous episode, it's clear that Studio Pierrot doesn't care about anything anymore. They're purposely trying to make things as illogical and contradictory as they possibly can, and what's even worse is we have another young Team 7 on a random mission again filler coming up next.

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    • 3.5/5 for me. Was it the best episode? No. Waaaayyy too many copies of Naruto and Sasuke in this episode. I mean, that's why stories like the one we just had these past fillers are supposed to stay as stories. Taking fact and making it legend. And the stuff they copied off for the modern times, 👎👎. The fact that Indra's Mangekyou Sharingan and Susanoo were exactly like Sasuke's, 😡ugh! And that they gave Ashura Rasengans, 😡ugh! Now giving him Wood Style, I'm impressed! Not what I expected, but I'll take it.

      SuperSajuuk wrote: After watching the episode.... WHAT THE FUCK STUDIO PIERROT?! WHY DID YOU MAKE INDRA AND ASURA JUST COPIES OF SASUKE AND NARUTO?!?!?!?!

      And WHY ANOTHER FILLER? WE DON'T NEED TO SEE YOUNG NARUTO ON STUPID MISSIONS AGAIN!

      This I agree on as well. We DON'T need another filler episode. While we know this is technically canon, it should've been made into an OVA. Again, not the best episode, but not the worst either.

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    • had an interesting thought, so Asura got this bad ass upgrade allowing him to use Shin Sūsenju. and that was just from a dozen or so members of the shinobi sect giving him there chakra. just imagine what would have happened if all the shinobi in the alliance would have done the same thing with Naruto

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    • ^i would say nothing would happen since plot is a nasty b*tch :I

      it was kurama who powered up the whole alliance and not the other way around, unfortunatly something as badass as "the whole army giving naruto their energy so that he can reach the lvls of a 10-tails jin" would never happen :(

      but the idea is cool, imagine that instead of obito giving naruto kurama and co back he instead gets to stay alive temporarily because so6p gives him power alongside the whole shinobi alliance, he will be basically a jinchuriki hosting the chakra of the whole army and using it for jutsus and whatnot,

      imo this way of fighting would be really awesome (exspecially since it shows the whole "friendship"-stuff actually in a real form instead of "they are narutos friends so they will sit back and watch while naruto does everything for them"...

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    • Actionmanrandell wrote: Naruto's use of the truth seeking balls have nothing to do with ten tails chakra mode.

      But when Naruto activated his Six Paths Sage Mode, the TSB didn't manifest. Only after activating his Ten-Tails Chakra Mode (All TB Chakra Mode) did the TSB manifest.

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    • That's true, meaning Six Paths Senjutsu alone isn't enough to use Truth Seeking Balls. All Six Paths Senjutsu does, besides boosting one with Senjutsu chakra like Sage Mode presumably, it gives one omniscience and omnipotence of chakra, allowing one to use all chakra natures and an innate grasp how to do so.

      But as you say, SPSM alone didn't activate the TSB, only after he entered TB chakra mode they appeared. One of the novels apparently states that TB chakra was needed and if possibly non-canon novel is not good evidence, then a databook says that TSB are akin to Tailed Beast Ball. To my understanding, TSB is a Tailed Beast Ball containing Senjutsu chakra and all the chakra natures inside, which can be combined variously at will for various effects.

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    • Well, there is no 0/5 vote, which makes me feel bad. Because I really want to hit that vote. Completely bullshit episode. Never in my life that I hate filler that much

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    • For some reason Hagoromo is completely powerless to stop Indra even though he has Rinnegan

      I believe Hagoromo said that he wouldn't use his powers ever again after his fight with Kaguya. I also thought the same regarding the Mangekyo. Why did Indra share Sasuke's pattern, yet Madara didn't, same with the look and colour of their Susano'o. Don't understand why Pierrot didn't go with the Indra's swirly Mangekyo like in the manga. Regarding with Asura 'inventing' the rasengan, I suppose it's theoretical that techniques can be re-discovered, like how you see Indra using the Shadow Clone Technique yet Tobirama claimed he was the one who invented it. He didn't know about Indra's first usage of it, so he probably assumed that he was the first user. Minato probably thought the same regarding the Rasengan.

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    • @1997Hawke, actually, Indra used a regular Clone Technique, not a Shadow Clone. His hand seals prove it. Regarding Indra's "Chidori" and Asura's "Rasengan", I believe it's just SP fault when trying to make Indra/Asura a way too similar to Sasuke/Naruto.

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    • 4/5, they confused the whole trans migrant, reincarnation thing further and Indra's Mangekyo are just rip offs of Sasuke's or vice versa I suppose chronologically.

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    • Georgio722 wrote: I'm pretty sure it's the TBs inside Asura that gave him TSBs, just like how Madara, Obito, and Naruto got theirs. Naruto only showed having the TSBs after activating "Ten-Tails Chakra Mode", so it's more likely that the TSBs are related to TB than SPSM, but that's just my opinion though.

      But about the episode, other than all those nonsense, at least we get to see Asura's children, right?

      "TBs inside Asura" ^TF? Asura was no Jinchūriki, nor was he ever implied to be one, in the filler or otherwise.

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    • TheFC12 wrote: Asura was no Jinchūriki, nor was he ever implied to be one, in the filler or otherwise.

      Georgio722 wrote: but that's just my opinion though.

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    • TheFC12 wrote:

      Georgio722 wrote: I'm pretty sure it's the TBs inside Asura that gave him TSBs, just like how Madara, Obito, and Naruto got theirs. Naruto only showed having the TSBs after activating "Ten-Tails Chakra Mode", so it's more likely that the TSBs are related to TB than SPSM, but that's just my opinion though.

      But about the episode, other than all those nonsense, at least we get to see Asura's children, right?

      "TBs inside Asura" ^TF? Asura was no Jinchūriki, nor was he ever implied to be one, in the filler or otherwise.

      Than how did he access TSBs...he should have their fragments at the very least just like Naruto... so you could say that he was pseudo 10 tails jinchuriki..

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    • ^ Hagoromo had TSB before becoming TTJ, as seen in chapter 680, page 13. Also, Hamura had TSB and he isn't TTJ.

      So basically being TTJ isn't the only way to have TSB.

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    • ^Exactly.

      Georgio722 wrote:

      TheFC12 wrote: Asura was no Jinchūriki, nor was he ever implied to be one, in the filler or otherwise.

      Georgio722 wrote: but that's just my opinion though.

      Fam, there are no "opinions" when it comes to this matter.

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    • Anime-Hagoromo is directly responsible for the feud between his sons and their descendants. He was more than capable enough to stop and prevent their feud. He shows extreme bias towards Asura, and basically neglected Indra. His reasoning for not selecting Indra is completely stupid. Just because Indra made the well himself, the villagers fought over water rights and destroy themselves? What? Don't get me started on his BS statement, "Hard-earned happiness is hard to destroy". Has the wisest guy on the planet ever heard of WAR?

      He somehow knew about Black Zetsu's and its machinations when he was alive, yet it didn't come to mind to apprehend or destroy it? So, to Hagoromo, doing anything logical when having the obvious capability to do so is unnecessary? SP made Hagoromo the sh!ttiest husband(I mean the dude let his wife die), the sh!ttiest father(showing extreme bias to one child and neglecting the other who's in the path of being a complete deviant. Not to mention, he let his sons continue to fight until their deaths which would incite their reincarnations and descendants to fight each other), and the stupidest Sage (knowing that there is an ominous force at work, but doing nothing about it).

      SP didn't even show us when and how he received the moniker, the Sage of Six Paths. They really made me despise Hagoromo, one of the really hyped characters in the franchise. SP better than screw up Naruto's and Sasuke's final battle like they did with the Sage's character

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    • JouXIII wrote: ^ Hagoromo had TSB before becoming TTJ, as seen in chapter 680, page 13. Also, Hamura had TSB and he isn't TTJ.

      So basically being TTJ isn't the only way to have TSB.

      that's because he had the tenseigan chakra mode..hamura 's story has nothing much to do with Ashura and indra.One can only get TSBs either through SPSM(meaning he becomes pseudo TTJ) or tenseigan chakra mode and clearly Ashura didn't had byakugan so how could he even hope to access tenseigan?All i'm saing is Ashura must have been pseudo TTJ just like Naruto...

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    • nope there are more than just those two methods. Naruto's six paths senjutsu has nothing to do with the tailed beasts. it doesn't even make sense that he would be required to have the tailed beasts in him for it. since asura didn't need them and neither did hagoromo or hamura. all that was required for him to have it is six paths chakra combined with senjutsu. it would be insanely retarded that Naruto only gets six paths senjutsu because of having the beasts in him yet sasuke gets six paths chakra and Rinnegan from hagoromo's touch. its far more logical that since hagoromo gave them each half of his six paths and naruto had senjutsu already and sasuke already had sharingan and thats why they each got there perspective abilities. because clearly if that was the case then when sasuke had trapped the biju in chibaku tensei and then absorbed all there chakra into his susanoo he could have just gone 1 step further and absorb it into his body and gain access to the six paths senjutsu. also naruto touched the truth seeking balls without activating any chakra mode.

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    • UltimaDude wrote: Anime-Hagoromo is directly responsible for the feud between his sons and their descendants. He was more than capable enough to stop and prevent their feud. He shows extreme bias towards Asura, and basically neglected Indra. His reasoning for not selecting Indra is completely stupid. Just because Indra made the well himself, the villagers fought over water rights and destroy themselves? What? Don't get me started on his BS statement, "Hard-earned happiness is hard to destroy". Has the wisest guy on the planet ever heard of WAR?

      He somehow knew about Black Zetsu's and its machinations when he was alive, yet it didn't come to mind to apprehend or destroy it? So, to Hagoromo, doing anything logical when having the obvious capability to do so is unnecessary? SP made Hagoromo the sh!ttiest husband(I mean the dude let his wife die), the sh!ttiest father(showing extreme bias to one child and neglecting the other who's in the path of being a complete deviant. Not to mention, he let his sons continue to fight until their deaths which would incite their reincarnations and descendants to fight each other), and the stupidest Sage (knowing that there is an ominous force at work, but doing nothing about it).

      SP didn't even show us when and how he received the moniker, the Sage of Six Paths. They really made me despise Hagoromo, one of the really hyped characters in the franchise. SP better than screw up Naruto's and Sasuke's final battle like they did with the Sage's character

      That's a bit hard pressed to say he's 'directly' responsible for the feud. He was more than capable but coupled with his vow to never use chakra as a weapon again and wanting his sons to be independent that would of been so unbelievably OOC. I fail to see this supposed bias at all, he showed no such thing and only become weary of Indra as the latter got more and more twisted due to Black Zetsu's influence. That's not stupid at all, Ashura's method was clearly more befitting of a sage than Indra's by a mile and you just stated everything wrong with Indra's method. Even in times of war hard earned happiness can shine through or do you need to read Naruto chapter 700 again?

      Yeah, he knew of Black Zetsu after his death which is a bit too late for you to be asking things of him. He's mortal, were you expecting him to use Rinne Tensei on someone we never met, come on man get your priorities straight. Stop going on about neglecting a son as he clearly doesn't show it. He tells Sasuke he regrets neglecting Indra in the inheritance of his will which if he hadn't done it may of solved everything. For Kami's sake Indra and Ashura are individuals who have their own wars to fight, he can't be responsible for Indra and the path HE chose for himself.

      It's a moniker created in fabled legends, you weren't going to see it in this filler. You're entitled to despise Hagoromo but some of your criticisms hold no water.

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    • JouXIII wrote: So basically being TTJ isn't the only way to have TSB.

      That's what I'm assuming too, but Six Paths Sage Mode/Senjutsu isn't one of them.

      TheFC12 wrote: Fam, there are no "opinions" when it comes to this matter.

      It's a theory, of course there could be options. But I'd prefer not to talk about it in this thread, I'll start one in the theories forum.

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    • Starscream1998 wrote: That's a bit hard pressed to say he's 'directly' responsible for the feud. He was more than capable but coupled with his vow to never use chakra as a weapon again and wanting his sons to be independent that would of been so unbelievably OOC. I fail to see this supposed bias at all, he showed no such thing and only become weary of Indra as the latter got more and more twisted due to Black Zetsu's influence. That's not stupid at all, Ashura's method was clearly more befitting of a sage than Indra's by a mile and you just stated everything wrong with Indra's method. Even in times of war hard earned happiness can shine through or do you need to read Naruto chapter 700 again?

      Yeah, he knew of Black Zetsu after his death which is a bit too late for you to be asking things of him. He's mortal, were you expecting him to use Rinne Tensei on someone we never met, come on man get your priorities straight. Stop going on about neglecting a son as he clearly doesn't show it. He tells Sasuke he regrets neglecting Indra in the inheritance of his will which if he hadn't done it may of solved everything. For Kami's sake Indra and Ashura are individuals who have their own wars to fight, he can't be responsible for Indra and the path HE chose for himself.

      It's a moniker created in fabled legends, you weren't going to see it in this filler. You're entitled to despise Hagoromo but some of your criticisms hold no water.

      Preventing his sons from fighting each other to the death is not OOC for Hagoromo and he won't even need to use his powers if he was being a good father. All throughout the arc, Hagoromo paid more attention to Asura, and even had many conversations with him. He showed no interest in confronting Indra and explaining how his way is wrong. That's bias right there. Wanting your children to be independent and letting them go on the wrong path are two different things. Heck, if Hagoromo wanted his sons to be independent, then why did he have talks with Asura? There's literally nothing wrong with Indra's method, he only just took it upon himself to build the villagers a well. The villagers fighting over water rights is completely stupid and it wasn't Indra's fault. Do you see neighbors fight and kill themselves over a public park built by the government? Do you not recall the three previous Great Ninja World Wars? Wars and it can easily destroy anything The only reason why the Naruto world is peaceful is because of Naruto. Without him, there won't be peace

      Were you not paying attention? He knew about Black Zetsu during his life, otherwise he wouldn't of been able to tell the Hokages about it. In this sh!tty filler, Hagoromo knew about Black Zetsu, yet it didn't come to mind to confront or straight up destroy it. He clearly neglected Indra as he

      • Only focused on Asura
      • Didn't hear Indra's story before choosing his successor
      • Let Indra walked on the dark path he chose
      • Didn't have a serious talk with Indra and explain how the path he is walking on is wrong

      Don't bring what he said in canon, as he clearly wasn't able to do anything about his sons' feud as he did in this filler arc. Why wouldn't Hagoromo be responsible? Indra is his freaking son and he let him go on a dark path when he was more than capable enough to prevent him from doing so. That's terrible parenting

      Why wouldn't we be able to see how he got his moniker? It clearly was created during his life, as he came to refer himself as the SoSP when he met Naruto and Sasuke

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    • No, I don't think Hagoromo was implied to have known about Black Zetsu. Rather, the latter's role was shown there to complete the story itself, but Hagoromo could've already learned about BZ after his death and made a conclusion regarding his influence over Indra. But overall, yeah, in this filler Hagoromo doesn't seem to really care about Indra and his way of life, although during the talk with Naruto/Sasuke he still admitted that he hadn't actually paid enough attention to Indra.

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    • UltimaDude wrote:

      Starscream1998 wrote: That's a bit hard pressed to say he's 'directly' responsible for the feud. He was more than capable but coupled with his vow to never use chakra as a weapon again and wanting his sons to be independent that would of been so unbelievably OOC. I fail to see this supposed bias at all, he showed no such thing and only become weary of Indra as the latter got more and more twisted due to Black Zetsu's influence. That's not stupid at all, Ashura's method was clearly more befitting of a sage than Indra's by a mile and you just stated everything wrong with Indra's method. Even in times of war hard earned happiness can shine through or do you need to read Naruto chapter 700 again?

      Yeah, he knew of Black Zetsu after his death which is a bit too late for you to be asking things of him. He's mortal, were you expecting him to use Rinne Tensei on someone we never met, come on man get your priorities straight. Stop going on about neglecting a son as he clearly doesn't show it. He tells Sasuke he regrets neglecting Indra in the inheritance of his will which if he hadn't done it may of solved everything. For Kami's sake Indra and Ashura are individuals who have their own wars to fight, he can't be responsible for Indra and the path HE chose for himself.

      It's a moniker created in fabled legends, you weren't going to see it in this filler. You're entitled to despise Hagoromo but some of your criticisms hold no water.

      Preventing his sons from fighting each other to the death is not OOC for Hagoromo and he won't even need to use his powers if he was being a good father. All throughout the arc, Hagoromo paid more attention to Asura, and even had many conversations with him. He showed no interest in confronting Indra and explaining how his way is wrong. That's bias right there. Wanting your children to be independent and letting them go on the wrong path are two different things. Heck, if Hagoromo wanted his sons to be independent, then why did he have talks with Asura? There's literally nothing wrong with Indra's method, he only just took it upon himself to build the villagers a well. The villagers fighting over water rights is completely stupid and it wasn't Indra's fault. Do you see neighbors fight and kill themselves over a public park built by the government? Do you not recall the three previous Great Ninja World Wars? Wars and it can easily destroy anything The only reason why the Naruto world is peaceful is because of Naruto. Without him, there won't be peace

      Were you not paying attention? He knew about Black Zetsu during his life, otherwise he wouldn't of been able to tell the Hokages about it. In this sh!tty filler, Hagoromo knew about Black Zetsu, yet it didn't come to mind to confront or straight up destroy it. He clearly neglected Indra as he

      • Only focused on Asura
      • Didn't hear Indra's story before choosing his successor
      • Let Indra walked on the dark path he chose
      • Didn't have a serious talk with Indra and explain how the path he is walking on is wrong

      Don't bring what he said in canon, as he clearly wasn't able to do anything about his sons' feud as he did in this filler arc. Why wouldn't Hagoromo be responsible? Indra is his freaking son and he let him go on a dark path when he was more than capable enough to prevent him from doing so. That's terrible parenting

      Why wouldn't we be able to see how he got his moniker? It clearly was created during his life, as he came to refer himself as the SoSP when he met Naruto and Sasuke

      Yes it is out of character as Hagaromo is a pacifist so pretty sure he's not intervening directly anytime soon. I seem to remember him having more conversations with Indra or did you miss the part where Indra invented jutsu? Actually yes he did; once during the naming of his successor but Indra walked off and again when Indra went Susanoo on everyone.

      You make it sound like Hagaromo had a thousand conversations with Ashura. He had barely any on screen talk with any of his sons really when it comes down to it. Plus Indra was on that lone wolf shtick and Hagaromo kinda had a place to help run so you know now you're asking for Indra to break character. It's clear to even a blind man that there was tension building up between the two for 2-3 episodes and not all disputes are settled with a little chat especially when Indra is so bloody stubborn he makes Madara look timid. It's not about fault it was about fixing the problem which Indra did in the short term but failed hard long term. You have a very poor understanding of the show if you think it was solely Naruto to thank for the peace and not the countless life changing people he met and fought.

      It's also rich how you accuse me for not paying enough attention when you clearly didn't watch the episode where Hagaromo states he watched over the shinobi world after his death so sorry bud but that's just hilarious to read. So lets break it down

      • There was no focus on one particular son
      • You can polish a turd as much as you want it's still a turd and Indra's method was the same method as Kaguya's, Madara's and every other villain who thinks they can solve everything with power and no bonds.
      • ....suuuuure I also suppose that means if Kakashi had flapped his lips long enough Sasuke wouldn't of left the village. The moment Indra started buying into what Zetsu was selling reasoning with him was not on the table.

      I respect your Manga purity...but you need to realise that's an incredibly narrow minded thing to be doing. Dude, are you trying to make Naruto's plot suck because you clearly haven't heard of the word 'plot' because Hagaromo believe it or not is flawed. So yes I agree his parenting skills weren't the best (he didn't really have a good example did he now) but these accusations are way too unfocused even for a half ass filler.

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    • Hagoromo didn't know about Black Zetsu's true identity until the guy turned Madara into Kaguya.

      In this filler, Hagoromo proved to be rather incompetent as a father. How many months passed between Indra's return and Asura's homecoming? Dunno, but surely it would've been plenty of time to talk out things with his son. At least he'd have found out about Black Zetsu's machinations. And yet all Hagoromo can say after hearing of Indra murdering his friends is "how low you've fallen"?

      Well, the filler was no good. SP messed up a lot. Would've been better to see Indra trying to accept his father's decision, at least at the start, and giving in to rage after being goaded by Black Zetsu into doing so. Not to mention that Hagoromo was supposedly on his deathbed when he chose his successor. And what about the tailed beasts? Sigh...

      Indra's Mangekyō was just the tip of the iceberg. I had hoped for some rather hax powers so that he could go against a Six Paths-enhanced Asura, but all Indra had was Susanoo and Amaterasu? Really lame. Kamui, Tsukuyomi, Kotoamatsukami... Would've been extremely cool to see him using all the MS powers in existence.

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    • JOA20 wrote: Hagoromo didn't know about Black Zetsu's true identity until the guy turned Madara into Kaguya.

      In this filler, Hagoromo proved to be rather incompetent as a father. How many months passed between Indra's return and Asura's homecoming? Dunno, but surely it would've been plenty of time to talk out things with his son. At least he'd have found out about Black Zetsu's machinations. And yet all Hagoromo can say after hearing of Indra murdering his friends is "how low you've fallen"?

      Well, the filler was no good. SP messed up a lot. Would've been better to see Indra trying to accept his father's decision, at least at the start, and giving in to rage after being goaded by Black Zetsu into doing so. Not to mention that Hagoromo was supposedly on his deathbed when he chose his successor. And what about the tailed beasts? Sigh...

      Indra's Mangekyō was just the tip of the iceberg. I had hoped for some rather hax powers so that he could go against a Six Paths-enhanced Asura, but all Indra had was Susanoo and Amaterasu? Really lame. Kamui, Tsukuyomi, Kotoamatsukami... Would've been extremely cool to see him using all the MS powers in existence.

      Yes, overall the fight was pure suckage which while kind of excusable lore-wise is unforgivable in terms of an episode.

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    • Starscream1998 wrote: Yes it is out of character as Hagaromo is a pacifist so pretty sure he's not intervening directly anytime soon. I seem to remember him having more conversations with Indra or did you miss the part where Indra invented jutsu? Actually yes he did; once during the naming of his successor but Indra walked off and again when Indra went Susanoo on everyone.

      How is Hagoromo a pacifist if he watches his pupils spar with each other on the daily basis? Hagoromo has no qualms with fighting when it is absolutely necessary. Heck, he wouldn't have needed to fight Indra if he have serious talks with him at the time he was on the wrong path. Indra was perfectly sane when he invented jutsu and it was he who stated the risks of jutsus. It wasn't after he named his successor, that Hagoromo listened to Indra's story

      Starscream1998 wrote: You make it sound like Hagaromo had a thousand conversations with Ashura. He had barely any on screen talk with any of his sons really when it comes down to it. Plus Indra was on that lone wolf shtick and Hagaromo kinda had a place to help run so you know now you're asking for Indra to break character. It's clear to even a blind man that there was tension building up between the two for 2-3 episodes and not all disputes are settled with a little chat especially when Indra is so bloody stubborn he makes Madara look timid. It's not about fault it was about fixing the problem which Indra did in the short term but failed hard long term. You have a very poor understanding of the show if you think it was solely Naruto to thank for the peace and not the countless life changing people he met and fought.

      He still had more meaningful conversations with Asura than he did with Indra. It wasn't until Indra slipped, he was stubborn as you mode him out to be. Hagoromo saw how Indra was becoming like Kaguya, yet he didn't make an effort to talk to him and explain what he was doing is wrong. You're making excuses here. I never said that Hagoromo could prevent Indra from going to the dark side with little chats, clearly it would take a lot of effort, but it would be worth it. Explain to me how someone building a well would result in villagers killing themselves over it? Naruto was the one who helped the world find peace and without him the world wouldn't have found it. Are you to say that all the people he met helped the world find peace?

      Starscream1998 wrote: It's also rich how you accuse me for not paying enough attention when you clearly didn't watch the episode where Hagaromo states he watched over the shinobi world after his death so sorry bud but that's just hilarious to read.

      Yet, in canon, Hagoromo still had no idea about Black Zetsu and its machinations until it revived Kaguya.

      Starscream1998 wrote:

      • There was no focus on one particular son
      • You can polish a turd as much as you want it's still a turd and Indra's method was the same method as Kaguya's, Madara's and every other villain who thinks they can solve everything with power and no bonds.
      • ....suuuuure I also suppose that means if Kakashi had flapped his lips long enough Sasuke wouldn't of left the village. The moment Indra started buying into what Zetsu was selling reasoning with him was not on the table.
      • Yeah, there was
      • Riiiight, so building a well for people, by yourself, is the same as instilling fear, killing people, and subjugating people to what you believe is peace
      • That's literally what Kakashi said. And how would you know that exactly? He was still reasonable until he slipped



      Starscream1998 wrote: I respect your Manga purity...but you need to realise that's an incredibly narrow minded thing to be doing. Dude, are you trying to make Naruto's plot suck because you clearly haven't heard of the word 'plot' because Hagaromo believe it or not is flawed. So yes I agree his parenting skills weren't the best (he didn't really have a good example did he now) but these accusations are way too unfocused even for a half ass filler.

      What manga purity? SP's portrayal of Hagoromo sucked complete ass and I merely stated major flaws in the filler's plot. I have no idea why you are defending this sub-par fillerised character

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    • UltimaDude wrote: I have no idea why you are defending this sub-par fillerised character

      Honestly, it's because you seemed like an intelligent guy to debate with. To be honest I kinda thought Masashi was starting to lose it when he killed off Kakuza who had major potential, killed off Neji, made Obito a villain with a lame motive (amnesia would of been a better call) and really lost faith in his story crafting abilities with that transmigrant reincarnation BS and KILLING OFF MADARA BOSS UCHIHA and replacing him with the biggest letdown in anime history. But you know, I needed to pretend so I could debate you.

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    • @Starscream1998 Annnd this is the part where I will stop "discussing" with you

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    • Actionmanrandell wrote: nope there are more than just those two methods. Naruto's six paths senjutsu has nothing to do with the tailed beasts. it doesn't even make sense that he would be required to have the tailed beasts in him for it. since asura didn't need them and neither did hagoromo or hamura. all that was required for him to have it is six paths chakra combined with senjutsu. it would be insanely retarded that Naruto only gets six paths senjutsu because of having the beasts in him yet sasuke gets six paths chakra and Rinnegan from hagoromo's touch. its far more logical that since hagoromo gave them each half of his six paths and naruto had senjutsu already and sasuke already had sharingan and thats why they each got there perspective abilities. because clearly if that was the case then when sasuke had trapped the biju in chibaku tensei and then absorbed all there chakra into his susanoo he could have just gone 1 step further and absorb it into his body and gain access to the six paths senjutsu. also naruto touched the truth seeking balls without activating any chakra mode.

      well for that also I have an explanation...
      hagoromo and hamura got their chakra from kaguya who is TTJ so what I said in the first place does actually makes sense
      if sasuke could have gone one step ahead and in turn would have just turned out like TTJ madara a end about which he already knew......
      For Naruto and Ashura in particular when they got chakra from hagoromo in naruto's case he already had the 9 bijus whereas in Ashura's case hagoromo had and so when he imparted his chakra to Ashura it had the very same effect as Naruto...

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    • UltimaDude wrote: @Starscream1998 Annnd this is the part where I will stop "discussing" with you

      Fair enough, it was getting pretty wordy all for the sake of a half-assed filler.

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    • The episode was really nice but the battle was so short, I guess they didn't want to use more than 1 episode for the battle, but for the great Indra and Asura the battle was too short and simple.

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    • Is it possible for us here to just drop all the theories? Not like this filler should even be relevant anyway.

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    • This episode was so horrible because of Indra's MS and Asura's TSTH (True Several Thousand Hands). In this episode, Indra was show as totally copy of Sasuke, and Asura was show as copy of both Hashirama and Naruto.

      Studio Pierrot could add a special abilities to Indra and Asura, such as they did with their reincarnations. Indra's CB Susanoo is same as Sasuke's, also with his Mangekyo, they should add his spiral version, or create now one. Same with Asura, his technique is about same as Rasengan, just little changes, and Asura's TSTH is big mistake.

      But, Indra and Asura are not only ruined in this episode - Hagoromo is also. This episode show him as totally weak man. Indra attacked the village, and Hagoromo didn't do anything. He is suppose to be a godly figure, but in these fillers, he is presented as a normal shinobi, who can use just CP Susanoo, speaking of that, why Hagoromo didn't use his CP Susanoo to battle with Indra's CP Susanoo? For me, that would be interesting.

      Can't wait to see a continue battle between Naruto/Sasuke and Kaguya.

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    • I expected by these fillers also something about Kaguya clan. >_<

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    • So next episode will be about reveal of Kakashi's face... Astonishing reveal, indeed.

      For those who'll probably say something like, "but it's animated!!!", as it have been proved during these past weeks, animated ≠ quality.

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    • King of the fillers indeed.

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    • I dont understand, weren't Indra and Asura supposed to fight when Hagoromo died. Then why Asura fought Indra when Hagoromo is alive. And where the heck is Asura's Avatar of Buddha Mode.

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    • L.o.d.7 wrote: I dont understand, weren't Indra and Asura supposed to fight when Hagoromo died. Then why Asura fought Indra when Hagoromo is alive. And where the heck is Asura's Avatar of Buddha Mode.

      that's almost at the end of the filler...

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    • L.o.d.7 wrote: Then why Asura fought Indra when Hagoromo is alive.

      I'm guessing they had at least two major fights:

      1. Susanoo vs True Several Thousand Hands (pre-death)
      2. Susanoo vs Battle Avatar (post-death)

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    • ^ Or, you know, Studio Pierrot messed things up, as usual.

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    • Watching Indra in MS mode is as funny as Trump's "serious speech".

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    • Georgio722 wrote:

      L.o.d.7 wrote: Then why Asura fought Indra when Hagoromo is alive.

      I'm guessing they had at least two major fights:

      1. Susanoo vs True Several Thousand Hands (pre-death)
      2. Susanoo vs Battle Avatar (post-death)

      If they're anything like Madara and Hashirama there were probably dozens of fights they had off-screen.

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    • And thus concludes an absolute disgrace of a backstory. I don't think I can even count the number of problems with these two arcs on the fingers of the Shin Sūsenju.

      At this point I almost want to write my own interpretation of the history behind Kaguya, Hagoromo, and the two sons. Canon facts, non-contradictory anime expansions, and absolutely no bullshit.

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