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  • That was an interesting reveal in today's episode. Hopefully you enjoyed it!

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    • Interesting reveal and good episode. After hearing Oyashiro's story about Chinoike clan thought there was something fishy going on, realised it was Chino after all. Haven't read the novel yet gonna quickly read it.

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    • Stil dont get it,if fushin is the leader,then when will we see karuyu from novel?

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    • Fuushin probably his alias and he will reveal his true name next ep. He wore some kind of transformation that was obviously made from the Ketseryugan, so it makes sense for a man hiding under many disguises to have an alias.

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    • Kakashisologod wrote: Stil dont get it,if fushin is the leader,then when will we see karuyu from novel?

      I think it's pretty obvious that Karyu was the man with Lava Style rubber Sasuke was fighting with. Also I should note that Fushin (Nowaki) isn't the one with Kerryugan (that's the actual name in the novel, anime seems to twist it a bit into Ketsuryugan), even the episode itself stated that it's one of his comrades who's from the Chinoike clan with these eyes. And since Fushin=Nowaki and with next episode preview, it's pretty easy to deduce who's the person with Kerryugan and its genjutsu abilities.

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    • Its chino.

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    • Ravenlot 27 wrote: I think it's pretty obvious that Karyu was the man with Lava Style rubber Sasuke was fighting with. Also I should note that Fushin (Nowaki) isn't the one with Kerryugan (that's the actual name in the novel, anime seems to twist it a bit into Ketsuryugan), even the episode itself stated that it's one of his comrades who's from the Chinoike clan with these eyes. And since Fushin=Nowaki and with next episode preview, it's pretty easy to deduce who's the person with Kerryugan and its genjutsu abilities.

      Unlikely, given Shakhmoot (one of our translators for anime content) confirmed this when he moved the article to the correct name. I don't believe any official translations were ever provided of the manga (only fan translations), so it's quite likely the manga name was just a mistranslation.

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    • So, which of the names is wrong - Kerryugan or Ketsuryugan?

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    • Ravenlot 27 wrote: So, which of the names is wrong - Kerryugan or Ketsuryugan?

      Kerryugan sounds more like the wrong name, the anime name is more likely to be correct, as it's more in line with other dojutsu names, whereas Kerryugan just sounds like a person's name slapped in front of a "ugan".

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    • I asked the translator of Sasuke Shinden to send me a picture of the novel where the word is mentioned, we'll see what it says.

      But yes, Kerryugan sounds weird to be as well. Something like Curry-ugan or so.^^

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    • Interesting turnabout. Can't trust En Oyashiro as far as you can throw him, and thinking that they had Sasuke scream out "Susanoo!" at the end of the NEP to get us excited, but betting he does that at the end of next week's episode rather than during it. Could be wrong though.

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    • So, Nowaki is Fushin ... and now? I think that Fushin is controlled by Chino u.u

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    • No, Nowaki isn't controlled. Chino is his comrade, after all.

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    • Nowaki is just an alias name that Fushin was using so he could determine what his enemy were doing.

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    • Ravenlot 27 wrote: No, Nowaki isn't controlled. Chino is his comrade, after all.

      In flashback (NS 484) we see his wound bleed, in over his transformation recalls the handling of the blood. I think that Chino is using her Ketsuryugan on him.

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    • Kerryugan is easier to remember so Ketsuruyugan is the right name XD.

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    • Novel isn't much longer after Nawaki reveals himself, so I guess up to 2 more episodes for this arc. If so, then they should wrap it up in December and probably will move right to Shikamaru Hiden in January (or have 1 episode break considering Shikamaru Hiden is shorter I think).

      Episode itself - not bad.

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    • Well, since Fushin's Lightning Group was attacked by Kirigakure, and all his comrades were wounded, I think it's pretty natural for him to have a wound and bleed as well. Yeah, blood plays the role in his transformation in Nowaki, but it's also natural for Chino to help with it as his comrade. Also, the next episode will surely show their mutual past. However, forget it, it seems that I just know that their relationship is like that in Sasuke Shinden novel, and I think anime isn't going to change it.

      @Bambusek, actually Sasuke Shinden will really end with 2 more episodes, but there won't be any episode on 29 December, so the last episode will air already on the 5-th January, and only then Shikamaru Hiden should begin.

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    • Just wanted to pipe in on the OP's mention that this was the last episode before Christmas hiatus. It's not. We have one more episode next week, and then it's on a one-week break.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Naruto:_Shippuden_episodes_(season_21)

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    • I thought Amaterasu is cast on Sasuke's Rinnegan?

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    • DXAshram wrote: Just wanted to pipe in on the OP's mention that this was the last episode before Christmas hiatus. It's not. We have one more episode next week, and then it's on a one-week break.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Naruto:_Shippuden_episodes_(season_21)

      Thanks for correcting me, misread what Shakhmoot had posted on his page: User:Shakhmoot/Anime.

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    • i dont like that sasuke got so sensible in terms of other people suffering, if he hates it so much why not killing that en-guy?

      but still, great animation, on the other hand im sick of sasuke not using any of his powerful techs at all, i mean, he is the only guy after so6p, madara, obito and kaguya with the most useful hax's, use a few of them, like the teleport skill against the assasin guy :/

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    • GreatestSin wrote: on the other hand im sick of sasuke not using any of his powerful techs at all

      I stopped watching this filler when in the first episode, nobody use their powers properly at all.

      I get the feeling this story was 90% possible because of plot-induced stupidity.

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    • Why even use susano when u can easily tank the attack?Plot.

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    • ^nah, that was ok, kunais and swords are still the most deadly weapons, afterall VOTE2-naruto survives a chidori hit without a scratch but gets massively damaged by a stabbing of sasukes sword,

      @killman

      well, i simply try not to focus on it but it is incredibe hard not to think "he could f*ck that guy up in a moment...why arent you doing it?", i would be fine if sasuke didnt take this whole incident seriously but come on, he obviously is invested in this sh*t and he cant use teleport to catch the supposed criminal?

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    • Abyss237 wrote: I thought Amaterasu is cast on Sasuke's Rinnegan?

      It is. This isn't the first time the anime has made an error like this.

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    • I think Sasuke and Naruto don't usually use their full ailities at first on purpose. Think about it, Shinobi are always layering subterfuge and they almost always have a power they're hiding. Sasuke and Naruto don't need the entire world to know the nature of their abilities so everyon can sit at home and try to devise ways to counter every single one.

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    • Characters not using their full powers after the big climactic battle is kind of a general trope in fiction, isn't it? For a while Naruto and Sasuke will probably stick to their basic abilities, maybe busting out a Rasenshuriken or incomplete Susanoo here and there, but we likely won't get to see their full end-game powers again until the next major threat shows up. And depending on where the anime is going from here, we might not see such a threat until the inevitable Boruto series begins. As far as we know, there weren't any major world-ending threats that showed up between Toneri and Momoshiki.

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    • But naruto got rusty and couldnt react to sasukes sword(duo to rustyness).So sasuke being unable to tank such a weak attack is plot.

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    • Naruto getting hit with Sasuke's sword never made any sense in the first place, regardless of how rusty he may be. Naruto was using a combination of Sage Mode and Nine-Tails chakra, yet got pierced by a sword that is, at best, equal to Orochimaru's, which previously couldn't pierce a weaker chakra cloak. But I guess said sword also pierced Ten-Tails Madara without a problem, so it's at least consistent in its inconsistency.

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    • Immortal madara probably lost durability.

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    • Well, nothing implied that TTJ robes Obito/Madara donned offered any real protection in the first place. Actually, any physical attack could easily injure them, there was just an issue of the mega-hax regeneration they attained. On the other side, both SM and NTCM were shown to defend the user's body to some extend.

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    • But naruto was caought off guard.

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    • BeyondRed wrote:

      Abyss237 wrote: I thought Amaterasu is cast on Sasuke's Rinnegan?

      It is. This isn't the first time the anime has made an error like this.

      What? No, Amaterasu is a Mangekyo Sharingan dojutsu.

      That Chino was the main honcho was kinda obvious from when they showed her in the flashback in the first episode though xD

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    • Tetsu Aero wrote: What? No, Amaterasu is a Mangekyo Sharingan dojutsu.

      Sasuke's Rinnegan evolved from his Amaterasu-casting Mangekyou. So his Rinnegan should cast it. And it did so several times against Kaguya.

      Kakashisologod wrote: But naruto got rusty and couldnt react to sasukes sword(duo to rustyness).So sasuke being unable to tank such a weak attack is plot.

      He didn't because he wasn't expecting it. The battle with Shin was kind of illustrating that despite being gods, they need to actively use their power to actually BE gods. If they just go around assuming they easily beat anyone, they're gonna get themselves killed. Even healing is apparently a conscious effort (In earlier series Kurama did it for him) as Hashirama could kill himself with a Kunai despite possessing godlike healing, suggesting it was a conscious effort.

      Naruto being Rusty is an extremely overrated comment by the community. Kurama was just being sassy. They either should've been more careful to fish for Shin's dojutsu or they should've ended the fight in a single high-power attack. In stead they went soft on the Shins, allowing all the shenanigans that ensued. After all Shin did have a Mangekyou and every single MS user has been trouble.

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    • Yeah his rinnesharingan can use amaterasu,but cant use kagutsuchi.

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    • Kakashisologod wrote: But naruto was caought off guard.

      Also, nothing implied that SM/NTCM protection somehow depends on the user's attention to it. For example, during the training on Mount Myoboku, Naruto has fallen from a cliff in his SM, he wasn't prepared to take damage, but surprisingly found out that he received no damage at all due to the boosted body durability. And SPSM Naruto uses later is supposed to be even a stronger form of an SM and thus its properties should be even more powerful, especially while combined with Kurama's chakra cloak. So it's an inconsistency without a doubt.

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    • Dude he knew he was going to fall on the ground,while spsm naruto didnt expect to get pierced by that sword.

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    • Naruto didn't even know that SM has such properties back then. So concentration doesn't play any role.

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    • He dosent need to know what properties it has,he was expecting that he will fall on the ground.

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    • No, if concentration really matters, he must know what he concentrates for. Otherwise, it means the durability works unconsciously. Naruto wasn't concentrating on anything back then. In his normal state, he would take the damage regardless if he's prepared or not, and Naruto must've known it, unlike the fact he won't receive any injuries in SM state.

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    • @raven

      actually i cant remember a single time a chakra-cloak mode naruto was ever attacked without him knowing at leastthe rought direction of the attack, even "suprise" attacks like sasuke VOTE2 chidori attack was at least recognised by naruto,

      i really cant remember a single time where he was truly caught off-guard at all, so the idea of naruto actually only being incredible durable if he is "concentrating" on the general direction of the attack does make sense, it would also explain why madara and naruto got actually pierced by a freaking sword, they had been both caught 100% off guard :o

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    • Ravenlot 27 wrote: No, if concentration really matters, he must know what he concentrates for.

      Considering that too much nature energy turns you to stone, a bit of nature energy would give you durability. So yea i think the increased resistance of Sage Mode is a natural side-effect that requires no concentration (Other than whatever concentration you need to maintain Sage Mode)

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    • GreatestSin wrote: @raven

      actually i cant remember a single time a chakra-cloak mode naruto was ever attacked without him knowing at leastthe rought direction of the attack, even "suprise" attacks like sasuke VOTE2 chidori attack was at least recognised by naruto,

      i really cant remember a single time where he was truly caught off-guard at all, so the idea of naruto actually only being incredible durable if he is "concentrating" on the general direction of the attack does make sense, it would also explain why madara and naruto got actually pierced by a freaking sword, they had been both caught 100% off guard :o

      Well, that could be true, but Naruto was using not only chakra cloak, but also SPSM back then, and since the increased durability of usual SM doesn't seem to require concentration, SPSM, a more powerful form of it, should provide even a greater defence, even if chakra cloak fails.

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    • ^but that wuld make the stuff with the sword inconsistent (and SPSM is kind of like the tentails jin mode, the only difference i see is that the TTJ-mode is the real deal with the fused bijuus while SPSM is a mix (like a patchwork) out of the bijuus held together/fused by naruto)...

      imo it seems like the best option we can take is that being caught 100% off-guard means that naruto and madara/obito will be vulnerable just like normal shinobi, of course they still have the incredible fast healing power so that is ok...

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    • TTJ madara IS durable like a normal human.

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    • There are two ways out of this:

      1: Six Paths power is far more damaging than the chakra cloak can take. Note that Six Paths power allowed Sasuke to harm Madara and his Limbo Clones. This way, Sasuke's blade can cut through chakra cloaks.

      2: Sasuke somehow incorporates Preta Path-like abilities into his sword, which nullify any kind of Chakra shroud. (the sword would slice through shrouds like butter).

      Either way, it's possible Sasuke's blade is made of the same material as Asuma's weapons and so it retains this power for a while, allowing it to pierce chakra shrouds even Sasuke doesn't hold it.

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    • Sasukes sword is more powerful than moon cuttering sword?

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    • Kakashisologod wrote: Sasukes sword is more powerful than moon cuttering sword?

      Never even thought of that, but yes, going by the above examples it must be. And that's really weird.

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    • Technically, Naruto focused all his chakra cloak in the single hand to tank Toneri's sword, so this moment makes sense. But Sasuke's sword stabbing Naruto is still an inconsistency, since there hasn't been mentioned that Sasuke's new Kusanagi sword possesses any special properties.

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    • Though to be fair, there's nothing saying his sword doesn't have any special properties either. It is considered a "Sword of Kusanagi" after all, just like Orochimaru's and the Totsuka Sword. There's a tendency to assume it's just an ordinary sword because we've never seen it levitate or turn into a snake, but it's possible Orochimaru just never taught him those specific techniques.

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    • Kakashisologod wrote: Sasukes sword is more powerful than moon cuttering sword?

      Power is not the same as power density. Sasuke's sword focuses it's power on a small area. Toneri's weapon had far more energy, but also had it spread over a much bigger area (namely a sword big enough to cut the moon)

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    • Ravenlot 27 wrote: Technically, Naruto focused all his chakra cloak in the single hand to tank Toneri's sword, so this moment makes sense. But Sasuke's sword stabbing Naruto is still an inconsistency, since there hasn't been mentioned that Sasuke's new Kusanagi sword possesses any special properties.

      Before he ovepowered it,he was able to tank it.

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    • Ravenlot 27 wrote: For example, during the training on Mount Myoboku, Naruto has fallen from a cliff in his SM, he wasn't prepared to take damage, but surprisingly found out that he received no damage at all due to the boosted body durability.

      Falling on some rocks and getting pierced by a sword are two different things. Falling off a cliff mostly involves blunt force, while getting stabbed by a sword involves sharp force

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    • UltimaDude wrote: Falling on some rocks and getting pierced by a sword are two different things. Falling off a cliff mostly involves blunt force, while getting stabbed by a sword involves sharp force

      Sage Mode Naruto also blocked (and in the process shattered) one of Pain's bladed weapons with a palm strike at one point, so it seems to work against sharp objects as well. Though we don't really know how the rod's durability and sharpness compare to Sasuke's sword, since the former seems to have special properties and the latter is usually enhanced by Chidori whenever we see it clash with anything.

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    • Like i said he expected he was going to fall on the ground,while vs shin he didnt expect to ger pierced by the sword.

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    • Note: there is actually no proof that Naruto tanked Toneri's attack with no damage, rather there is no evidence he got hit in the first place, the way the scene plays out, he might have been able to dodge in time, which would make more sense. For Sasuke's sword, when it was introduced, Sasuke stated that it possesses special properties, but we have never been told what they are, so it's quite possible that Sasuke was given a superior sword to Orochimaru's.

      For chakra cloak, it's quite possible that the increased durability is a conscious effort, not automatic. But for Sage Mode, that seems to be always there, independent of intent or effort. So I suppose Naruto just wasn't toughening his chakra cloak and Sasuke's sword is just naturally sharp enough to pierce through Senjutsu enhanced body.

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    • BeyondRed wrote: Sage Mode Naruto also blocked (and in the process shattered) one of Pain's bladed weapons with a palm strike at one point, so it seems to work against sharp objects as well.

      His palm was most likely infused with natural energy. Not to mention, he was able to stab himself whilst in Sage Mode

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    • Ravenlot 27 wrote: Technically, Naruto focused all his chakra cloak in the single hand to tank Toneri's sword, so this moment makes sense. But Sasuke's sword stabbing Naruto is still an inconsistency, since there hasn't been mentioned that Sasuke's new Kusanagi sword possesses any special properties.

      agree, and theonly way it would make sense is if the chakra-modes (not only naruto but all chakra modes) are actually not incresing durability automatically, the user must know the general directionof the attack and the chakra will subconsciously increase their durability there,

      this would explain why sasuke sword was able to stab TTJ-madara and SPSM-naruto but needed electricity infusement in order to easily cut through stones...

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    • Elveonora wrote: Note: there is actually no proof that Naruto tanked Toneri's attack with no damage, rather there is no evidence he got hit in the first place

      I haven't mentioned this because it's virtually impossible to prove, but i got the impression Naruto got grazed by the sword.

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    • I have rewatched the movie quite a few times, so I know that the impact can't actually be seen, Naruto can be quick to dodge. The novel version as well doesn't mention him getting hurt, only Moon being split in half and then Naruto clones jumping from below.

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    • Regarding the moon sword, I've always thought we're speaking about the scene where Naruto directly blocked the sword (which looked already like a golden chakra beam) with the NTCM concentrated in his hand. This was already the second time when Toneri used the sword. During the first time, when he actually sliced the Moon in half, there's really no indication of the way Naruto escaped the damage, he could simply dodge it as well.

      @Elveonora, besides, where was it mentioned that Sasuke's new Kusanagi sword has some special properties?

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    • On a more episode-related note:

      I actually decided to watch this and the previous episode and it's not as bad as i thought. Apparently the first episode of this filler was the only atrocity.

      Sasuke's minimal use of his powers is something that actually makes sense in this and the previous episode, considering he's in enemy territory and clearly keeping his tricks to himself. He doesn't even use Sharingan against his opponent in Colosseum until he has to, and in this episode doesn't want to hit harder on his opponent than he has to (especially since he already knows the attacker wasn't Fuushin and so probably some random henchman chump)

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    • How on earth did this thread turn from "discussing the episode" to a completely and utterly irrelevant discussion about characters who don't even exist in the episode? >_>

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    • ^^ He's right. Stay on topic

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    • Just saying its stupid plot.

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    • I love the sasuke filler episodes, only problem I have with it, is SINCE WHEN WAS THE SHARINGAN ABLE TO LOOK THROUGH MEMORIES?! This would've been seen so many times throughout the series, One intense I can remember this would've been good was when Yamato was captured and they were trying to get information, tobi clearley stated the only way he could extract information was using the rinnegan but that would've killed Yamato. I'm sure there many other examples in the show.

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    • Yamato is a trained Anbu, it probably would have been much harder to get info out of him with Genjutsu then it is to get it out of some off-brand ninja

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    • Jyuki101 wrote: I love the sasuke filler episodes, only problem I have with it, is SINCE WHEN WAS THE SHARINGAN ABLE TO LOOK THROUGH MEMORIES?!

      Guess it's just part of the Sharingan's powercreep. On the other hand, since it can see chakra and chakra flow, a sufficiently experienced Sharingan user may be able to interpret these flows as memories.

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    • I spoiled myself when I looked on the wiki at the Sasuke novel stuff but it was still a good reveal that Nowaki was Fuushin all along. The exploding huma stuff is still creepy to watch but this episode was another good one. En Oyashiro got dissed by both of them was hilarious. Sasuke saving Chino was a good guy moment. Now I have the feeling Chino is a phoney too.

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    • Ravenlot 27 wrote: So, which of the names is wrong - Kerryugan or Ketsuryugan?

      I can finally confirm that Kerryugan is wrong. :)

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    • Seelentau wrote: I can finally confirm that Kerryugan is wrong. :)

      I think it was always wrong in the first place :P

      Thank the makers of the anime for providing the right translation and name :P

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    • Seelentau wrote: I can finally confirm that Kerryugan is wrong. :)

      What did Kerryugan even mean? Ketsuryugan still sounds weird (Rinne, Sharin, Byaku, Tensei all have 2 vowels), but it apparently means Blood Dragon Eye.

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