do you think it would be possible for Orochimaru to combine his cloning technique with Edo Tensei?
what i mean is, his clone techinque creates actual living clones instead of the temporary shadow clones IE Log and Mitsuki. so my thoughts are, what if created a jutsu that combines his clone technique and the Edo tensei. and by using the edo tensei to summon the soul of a shinobi and then bind their soul to one of their clone bodies. this way they are bound to a new body of their own. so instead of an immortal zombie like the edo tensei. he could create an army of actual revived shinobi.
the technique could be called Clone art: pure revival art
by cloning the desired shonobi and then summoning their soul and binding it to the new body. the clone body would become a perfect host, because the host body is that of a clone instead of an undead zombie like the edo tensei. the soul would simply be reborn into the clone body and as such would have a brand new life. the soul of the diseased shinobi would lose his or her memories and essentially be a brand new person. and of course once the cloned body reaches a specific age all jutsu the shinobi had in his or her past would be unlocked and re-awakened
all of this is speculation, all i am asking is if you think it would be possible for orochimaru could use the clone jutsu to alter the edo tensei and truly revive shinobi in this manner
Why would it be so annoying in Orochimaru vs debates? the jutsu wouldn't allow him to control the person. the only thing it would allow him to do is that all of the shinobi he revives wouldn't have loyalty to their place of birth. and as such he could legitimately raise them to have loyality to him. those Orochimaru vs debates would be Orochimaru vs so and so not Orochimaru and co vs
Technically, I don't see a lot of sense for Orochimaru to do something like this. Firstly, there's no guarantee that a cloned body as a vessel for a deceased soul would stay an actual human body and not become the zombi body as all the Edo-bodies do. And even if Orochimaru achieved that, it'd eliminate the main advantages of the Edo-body (limitless chakra and body regeneration) without getting any new advantages instead. Basically, it's just a replication of Rinne Tensei without user's death drawback. Secondly, if Orochimaru can already clone some poweful shinobi via their DNA, he'll have no need to apply Edo Tensei to them in the first place - as their clones, they'd already have the same abilities as the original. They just wouldn't have the original's memories, but that's not a great loss.
true. but there is actually one main advantage of such a jutsu. and its simple.
the advantage of such a jutsu would mean he could revive his most loyal experiments, people like Kimimaro who worshipped Orochimaru. another benifit of such a jutsu would be that anyone he uses it on could then train and train and train to increase their own power. then after they are say double, or even quadrulap as powerful he could just take their body and add there increased power to his own power set. if he simply cloned the individual he would have to wait years before the clone is as powerful as the original. by reviving them they would be as powerful as they were before they died. and a few months of intense training and they would be ready to be his new host. for example Kimimaro was ubber powerful but orochimaru didn't use him as a host because of his disease. so lets say orochimaru can clone him without his disease and then summon him to the new body. kimimaro would be far more powerful then have him train and train and train. once he is as powerful as orochimaru likes he could then take his body
It would actually work.. but it would kill the cloned body just to put the soul into it. For example.. this would give Hashirama his absolute full power along with Edo Tensei's regerenation and unlimited chakra refill capabilities.. combined with the fact that as long as you know the right seals.. or are powerful enough.. you can break the contract and permanently be an edo tensei with no control over you?? Shit that technique would be super awesome in all actuality... full power, full ability wielding Edo Tensei.. I would like to see this done in the new series.. Nagato, Itachi, Jiraiya, Hashirama, Neji, Madara, Minato.. they could all be brought back for some reason or another...
i wasn't talking about him reviving them as edo tensei. i was talking about him cloning a person then summoning their soul to the clone body. and completely reviving them. as in the revived soul absorbs and devours the clone bodies life force and literally comes back to life as in ful power but no unlimited chakra chakra.
it would work in a manner similar to chiyo's revival jutsu in which she sacrifices her life force to revive someone. but instead the clone bodies life force would act as a sacrifice for whom ever is cloned
all i am asking is if you think it would be possible for orochimaru could use the clone jutsu to alter the edo tensei and truly revive shinobi in this manner
No. I don't see how this would actually revive the Edo Tensei.
I am, however, wondering how long it'll take before we get cloned armies of genetically-engineered god-like ninja.
it would work the same way Chiyo's revival jutsu worked. the dead shinobi would be summoned to a new clone body of their own. then the summoner would cast a jutsu that causes the revived shinobi's soul to absorb the life force of the clone, which would then bind the soul to the clone's body and completely bring them back to life while the clone itself dies, essentially causing the original to switch places with the clone IE the clone's soul goes to the pure land while the original's soul gets a new body
Besides, there's another question I discovered while thinking about cloning and Edo Tensei. Basically, clones and original or the clones themselves have a soul of their own in each of them, but it doesn't change the fact that their DNA is identical. And all we know that a bit of DNA is required to reanimate a particular person by summoning his soul from the Pure Land. However, a question - what if there are several souls there which have the identical DNA (the deceased original and his clone(s) or just several clones)? Which soul would be actually summoned? Or Edo Tensei mechanics can still somehow determine from which one the DNA was actually salvaged and thus bring back exactly him?
it would work the same way Chiyo's revival jutsu worked.
But why would this require a clone? The same can be done with the regular Edo Tensei. Madara was Rinne Tensei'd as an Edo Tensei. he didn't spit out the sacrifice body or anything, he just straight up morphed into his live form.
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Or Edo Tensei mechanics can still somehow determine from which one the DNA was actually salvaged and thus bring back exactly him?
I think it's impossible to make a 100% perfect clone of someone. Madara made a mindless clone of Hashirama, using his actual (presumably cloned) flesh. This implies that a perfect clone has no soul of it's own. The Shin storyline had a bit about them being individuals. Since they were made from different pieces of the original shin (ie teeth), and since a person doesn't have perfectly identical DNA (copy errors and all that) in every cell, each shin clone would be slightly different.
So, a perfect clone would likely have no soul, whereas a nigh-perfect clone would be a new individual with a new soul.