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  • So this Image has been passed around alot and it states that Kinshiki could cut through Planets the way Toneri cuts through Moons is it a legitimate source? I'd just like to know where it came from and your opinions on it I don't find it hard to believe he could do this anyway

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    • You should probably read the forum policy again...

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    • C`mon, this sentence isn't meant to be literal, it's just a decoration typical for most of the databook descriptions. It doesn't even directly say that Kinshiki could do such things, no idea why you thought about it.

      P.S. The page itself comes from Zai no Sho.

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    • Amaterasu is hotter than the sun, no argument folks.

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    • Elveonora wrote: Amaterasu is hotter than the sun, no argument folks.

      Well the sun's temperature varies from about 6000 degrees at it's surface to about 15 million at it's core. Technically, a blowtorch is hotter than the sun.

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    • @Elveonora As shown in P1 and P2, the user can change the temperature of Amaterasu.. Itachi is so good with it he can make it burn instantly through a fire proof, fire breathing toads stomach.. although it seems using the full force version of Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu take way more chakra than the watered down versions he used on Sasuke in P2. So yes, Amaterasu can be made hotter than the Sun.

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    • How did we get to speaking about Amaterasu I just want to know if this Zai no Sho is an accurate & canon information guide

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    • All the db's have mistakes, exaggerations and retcons, just like the manga does. Doesn't make it any less credible, though you do have to find out what is an exaggeration, or mistake and what is a retcon. If the DB says that Kinshiki is capable of cutting a planet in half, it is most likely an exaggeration considering he tried hard yelling and all, to cut the Shinju down.

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    • QuakingStar wrote: @Elveonora As shown in P1 and P2, the user can change the temperature of Amaterasu.. Itachi is so good with it he can make it burn instantly through a fire proof, fire breathing toads stomach.. although it seems using the full force version of Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu take way more chakra than the watered down versions he used on Sasuke in P2. So yes, Amaterasu can be made hotter than the Sun.

      The sun's temperature is way too hot, and will incinerate Earth if Amaterasu could reach the same level of temperature as the sun. I'm not denying that Amaterasu can reach very high temperatures, but nothing to the sun's temperature.

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    • It's just hyperbole like the DB saying temari could blow away the universe.

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    • Can you believe some youtuber used that statement to argue that since kinshiki can "split worlds" and momoshiki ate kinshiki thereby multiplying his power, and sasuke was thrashing momoshiki around, therefore sasuke is multi planet level. (ლ‸-)

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    • Toneri split the moon completely in half. There's no reason to think Momoshiki couldn't do it, especially if a member from his clan did the same thing. It would be nice if we could see some artwork of him doing it though.

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    • Toneri possessed the Tenseigan and SPSC

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    • Toneri cut a moon that had a huge hole in the middle of it, where he lived, and a was not its original size in the first place due to him breaking off some if it to crash on Earth. Toneri has the potential, maybe to be moon level buster, but that would be with all his power.

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    • QuakingStar wrote: All the db's have mistakes, exaggerations and retcons, just like the manga does. Doesn't make it any less credible, though you do have to find out what is an exaggeration, or mistake and what is a retcon. If the DB says that Kinshiki is capable of cutting a planet in half, it is most likely an exaggeration considering he tried hard yelling and all, to cut the Shinju down.

      When he managed to cut Shinju, he was already near death and his Tenketsu pierced dude.

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    • Rachin123 wrote: Toneri cut a moon that had a huge hole in the middle of it, where he lived, and a was not its original size in the first place due to him breaking off some if it to crash on Earth. Toneri has the potential, maybe to be moon level buster, but that would be with all his power.

      Judging by The Last, the moon is actually a thin-shell construct. And judging from the various holes blown into it, that shell is only a few kilometers thick (whereas the moon is several thousand kilometers across). If the moon is the same size as our moon and that shell is 10km thick, it would be like cutting through a solid sphere 900km across (versus 3500km).

      That sounds (and on it's own, is) impressive. Naruto and Sasuke were blowing up kilometer-size CT's like they were nothing though, and considering a 1km spherical object has a volume of around 4km, it's not hard to see that Naruto and Sasuke are of similar levels. Although i need to add that Toneri cut a thin sphere, so at the least he cut through ~20km (two shell thicknesses when he cuts straight down) and at the most maybe 50? (taking Toneri as the North Pole of the moon, the equatorial part of the moon would be the largest distance to cut)

      As a final note, Naruto tanking that sword may seem impressive, but considering that the sword had to match the actual dimension of the moon (IE 3500km), the actual energy density of that attack would be akin to tanking a Perfect Susanoo slash.

      Elveonora wrote: When he managed to cut Shinju, he was already near death and his Tenketsu pierced dude.

      Perfect Susanoo cut mountains kilometers away. Cutting a shinju is impressive, but it's nothing special for people that level. ought to be able to do the same with his Susanoo Sasuke

      EDIT: To answer the OP, i don't think Kinshiki can cut a planet. Our earth is 13000km across, which is a far cry from Toneri's 900km. (or if you want to be pedantic, he cut about ~50km at the most, considering he cut a thin sphere and not an equivalent 900km spherical volume).

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    • Wow, the moon is a thin shell.... It doesn't matter if the moon was hollow or not, Toneri's attack is able to cut clean through a moon without slowing down. I'm positive he could do it with a non-hollow moon to. The shockwave slash from Kinshiki's blade slices the Shinju down with no problems at all. Momoshiki could definitely pull off the feat. Just because he hasn't shown it doesn't mean it can't happen, especially since he possesses the Rinnegan.

      Also, don't try to bring math into it, because you don't know how thin or think Naruto's Moon is. Using math only makes it seem like the feat was unimpressive. Toneri cut a celestial body in half with a sword as long as the diameter of the whole moon itself, WITHOUT slowing down. Being able to output enough Chakra at a constant rate to form a blade that long and sharp itself is already saying a lot.

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    • @Princeharris, being hollow or not is a big factor. If you've ever done construction work, imagine cutting thin plywood or a big 2x4. Big difference, especially on a scale as large as the moon.

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    • Elveonora wrote: When he managed to cut Shinju, he was already near death and his Tenketsu pierced dude.

      This was retconned. In the manga, Super Momoshiki cut the Shinju in half with a shockwave

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    • It doesn't necessary nulify Kinshiki's feat. Just two different versions, and both are canon.

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    • Agreed. Currently there are 3 versions of.Boruto, I think it's up for debate which is the most canon. Some would argue the movie since it came out.first, some would argue the novel since that's the original script and some would argue that it's the manga as the updated version of events and some would argue that it's not to be argued.

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    • Ravenlot 27 wrote: It doesn't necessary nulify Kinshiki's feat. Just two different versions, and both are canon.

      It kinda does. New canon material supersedes old canon material, isn't that what was agreed upon on?

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    • @UltimaDude, Thing is, it's not a contradiction. For all we know, it was within Kinshiki's abilities to cut the trunk. The manga doesn't show that he's unable to do so, it just showed someone else doing it.

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    • I have seen two rules around relating to canon:

      • New material takes precedence over old
      • An adaptation of original work showing revised events is less canon

      The two are not simultaneously applicable and thus contradictory to each other.

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    • Explaining canon is fairly simple, just take the Pokemon franchise:

      • Game canon
      • Anime canon
      • Manga canon

      Three different publication methods, three different canonicities.

      In Naruto, it's different, because there is only one publication method (the manga) and everything is based on it:

      • Manga canon
        • Anime adaption of the manga
        • Manga adaption of the two manga-canon movies (so basically reverse-anime adaption)
      • Anime canon (filler)
      • Novel canon
        • Anime adaption of the novels
      • Movie canon (filler-ish)
      • Game canon
        • Game-only anime (filler-ish)

      One could also divide it all into three tiers: Canon, semi-canon and filler. Manga and manga-movies are canon, anime, novels and novel-anime are semi-canon and anime-filler, movies, games and game-anime is filler.

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    • You still haven't provided insight into which of the 3 versions of Boruto is more canon.

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    • Yes, I have. The Boruto manga is an adaption of a manga-movie, which is on the same level as the normal manga. So the Boruto manga is like the normal anime: an adaption of the source material.

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    • But it's an adaptation only until it's done covering events of the movie, from then on, it will be all new material with same level of canon as the original manga...

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    • I like to look at the Novel renditions as volume releases of the movie lol.. changed stuff plus more info

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    • AsianReaper wrote: The manga doesn't show that he's unable to do so, it just showed someone else doing it.

      That could literally be said about every character doing things only in fillers..

      @Seelentau Oh, ok. Thanks, man. I don't really like the manga version of the movie anyway.

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    • Again, the new manga in relation to the movie can't really be compared to the anime in relation to the original manga, since the canonicity of the new manga's original material is on the same level as the original manga. It would be like saying that one should watch the Boruto movie and then continue by reading the new manga from chapter 10 onwards in order to get the true version ...

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    • But that's how it is.

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    • first off: yall ever thought that toneri could ANYTHING in half since he used his tsb? remember that tsb are like lasers in a way. they cut through anything, besides senjutsu.. doesn't matter if it was the moon or Jupiter. a tsb, if long enough, will cut through it. but kinshiki isn't planet lvl. kaguya is planet lvl (cuz of tsb as well), and she had to use up all her chakra, and some of the trapped shinobi's chakra, just to make that big ass tsb. look, even minato could cut through that shinju, since its was smaller, weaker, and was already dead.. not that much of feat. of course its impressive, but as some people said earlier, a lot of people could do that anyways. he did defeat killer bee, and that in itself is a real good feat, but even bee might have been able to cut through a shinju like that, if he used all his power. he was damaged, but when in adrenaline, u don't feel, pain, fear or anything like that, for that matter. he was in battle, and he had his good arm still working, so that wanst as weak as form that he was in at that moment. was he tired? yes, but that battle took about 60 seconds (kinshiki vs kage), so he didn't waist as much energy either. kinshki is, at max imo, asteroid lvl (like the one sasuke destroyed).. at his prime, of course.

      forgot to ask: since when does kinshiki have a rinne? do we have a databook 5 now? and please don't tell me its all speculation.

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    • @Lorenzo, TSBs don't cut anything, they cut through and nullify ninjutsu specifically. The moon is a hunk of a rock, so it doesn't apply.

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    • yes it does. remember hiruzen's shuriken, for one? tobirama's explosive tags, the bijuu/juubi bombs (they were made of chakra, so they were nullified, but the explosion itself wasn't), and guess what? still live man. obito used them, too, as an explosion (the one that tobirama fgt back to him?) that wasn't an explosion at all. it was just the tsb expanding.. tobirama, Naruto, minato, sasuke, and maybe a few more say it as well.

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    • @Lorenzo

      It broke shuriken, so. How does that account for being able to cut through anything? Also, Tobirama's explosion tag move can hardly be compared to being able to blow the moon.

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    • Princeharris1993 wrote: Wow, the moon is a thin shell.... It doesn't matter if the moon was hollow or not, Toneri's attack is able to cut clean through a moon without slowing down.

      as i explained, it makes a hell of a difference. Also, the sword is big sure, but a PS can do the same thing on a smaller scale. We've already seen that Bijudama are far denser in chakra than that. That means that if you were to take a Bijudama and stretched it into a sword at PS densities, you'd end up with one hell of a sword. Multiply it by a few factors (IE pumping a Biju's full energy into it, picking stronger biju, accounting for possibly a very thin TSB core), and it ought to be something a Jinchuriki could do (stretching their power thinly, but still).

      The big question is simply: Why would anyone invest time and energy into such attacks?

      UltimaDude wrote: That could literally be said about every character doing things only in fillers..

      True, but most people need to train and work hard for their jutsu, whereas Rinnegan and SPSM users can apparently just make em up on the spot. Most "why didn't he do X" questions can either be answered by 1: they never needed it or 2: they spent their time working on other jutsu.

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    • why doenst anybody ever believe the stuff I say? sigh, well no matter. imo kinshiki is fodder. there, I said it.

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    • He is fodder compared to Kaguya. But that's it.

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    • he's fodder compared to minato. maybe nagato. but that's it.

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    • No he is not, Momo and Kin together are superior to Kaguya.

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    • Lorenzo.r.1st wrote: why doenst anybody ever believe the stuff I say? sigh, well no matter. imo kinshiki is fodder. there, I said it.

      Most of the time you make a claim, people bring evidence to the contrary, and then you say "it's just my opinion."

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    • Dust Release has show the ability to completely obliterate ninjutsu and actual matter. The Truth-Seeking Ball is stated to turn objects to dust just like the Dust Release. In short, it can work on anything that is not Senjutsu; It works on more than just Ninjutsu. I don't know who told you it only works on Ninjutsu (chakra-based constructs) but they were wrong. The Manga proves my point.

      With that being said, it wouldn't matter how dense the moon is or if it were solid or hollow, it could still slice through a planetary body without resistance.

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    • Uhh, I may have forgotten. Where has it been shown that TSBs turn anything to dust besides Senjutsu? Like where in the manga?

      Actually, why didn't Madara's TSBs turn Minato to dust when they hit him? They could have phased right through him going by what you're saying, but they made a very obvious impact and Minato warped away.

      Comparing Dust Release to TSBs isn't a good comparison; TSBs don't just have the abilities of every nature. They aren't hot like Fire Release. Why would they oliterate things in the same way as Dust Release? They don't dissolve things in the same manner as Dust Release. They nullify Ninjutsu. According to my theory. Could be mistaken, just show me pages lol

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    • Kaguya's Giant TSB was going to be used to obliterate that entire dimension and make a new one.. rocks, and all. All it is is a gigantic TSB.

      http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Expansive_Truth-Seeking_Ball

      So yes cutting the moon in half with it is greatly helped by the Tenseigan enhanced TSB.. Naruto was using Full Sage Kurama Mode.. hence the tech not hurting him. Also, so no Naruto did not tank it or the other techs like it because of him, he tanked it because of the Nature Energy he was using and had in him atm. Toneri and Naruto's fight was kind of a battle of who would last longer or get the best hit first. Naruto happened to be the one to do that.

      http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Truth-Seeking_Ball

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    • Actually, the natures inside of TSB aren't all mixed there by default, the effects of TSB depend completely on which natures the user chooses. So yes, TSB can have the same effect as Dust Release, if the user combines Fire+Wind+Earth, otherwise they don't.

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    • QuakingStar wrote: Kaguya's Giant TSB was going to be used to obliterate that entire dimension and make a new one.. rocks, and all. All it is is a gigantic TSB.

      http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Expansive_Truth-Seeking_Ball

      So yes cutting the moon in half with it is greatly helped by the Tenseigan enhanced TSB.. Naruto was using Full Sage Kurama Mode.. hence the tech not hurting him. Also, so no Naruto did not tank it or the other techs like it because of him, he tanked it because of the Nature Energy he was using and had in him atm. Toneri and Naruto's fight was kind of a battle of who would last longer or get the best hit first. Naruto happened to be the one to do that.

      http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Truth-Seeking_Ball

      Well naruto kinda lost there.

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    • Kakashisologod wrote: Well naruto kinda lost there.

      True. It wasn't until Hinata that he could resist Toneri's main weapon, namely his chakra drain.

      Elveonora wrote: Actually, the natures inside of TSB aren't all mixed there by default, the effects of TSB depend completely on which natures the user chooses. So yes, TSB can have the same effect as Dust Release, if the user combines Fire+Wind+Earth, otherwise they don't.

      Exactly. Regular TSB's are mostly inert. Depending on what the user does to them, they can take on a number of properties. Like nullifying ninjutsu or destroying Edo Tensei or whatever.

      Princeharris1993 wrote: With that being said, it wouldn't matter how dense the moon is or if it were solid or hollow, it could still slice through a planetary body without resistance.

      Except as i repeatedly pointed out, it does. The mostly hollow moon would put him on a Naruto/Sasuke level, power wise. Cutting through a 100% solid body would put him on a whole new never-before-seen powerlevel.

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    • Elveonora wrote: Actually, the natures inside of TSB aren't all mixed there by default, the effects of TSB depend completely on which natures the user chooses. So yes, TSB can have the same effect as Dust Release, if the user combines Fire+Wind+Earth, otherwise they don't.

      Arent TSB made of all 5 natures?If u add only 3 then those arent TSB

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    • Actually no. All the natures are contained within the TSB but the user has to mix them.

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    • Kakashisologod wrote: Arent TSB made of all 5 natures?If u add only 3 then those arent TSB

      How it works precisely isn't clear, but the effect a TSB has depends on the user.

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    • Yes they're made of all 7 Natures

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    • AsianReaper wrote: Uhh, I may have forgotten. Where has it been shown that TSBs turn anything to dust besides Senjutsu? Like where in the manga?

      Actually, why didn't Madara's TSBs turn Minato to dust when they hit him? They could have phased right through him going by what you're saying, but they made a very obvious impact and Minato warped away.

      Comparing Dust Release to TSBs isn't a good comparison; TSBs don't just have the abilities of every nature. They aren't hot like Fire Release. Why would they oliterate things in the same way as Dust Release? They don't dissolve things in the same manner as Dust Release. They nullify Ninjutsu. According to my theory. Could be mistaken, just show me pages lol

      It obliterated the section of Arm it touched. Obito also obliterated Hiruzen's torso. You didn't see pieces flying - because it obliterated them.

      Source: "Truth-Seeking Balls are extremely destructive, capable of turning targets to dust in a similar manner to Dust Release." Naruto chapter 639, pages 7-8

      So you mean to tell me that the Manga is wrong and the information found on the Truth-Seeking Ball page on THIS WIKIA is wrong?

      By default, TSB's turn anything they touch into dust. If the user chooses to do so, they can alter the very nature of the TSB. Obito used it to heal himself (Medical Ninjutsu), and he used it to cast the Six Red Yang Formation, a (Barrier Ninjutsu). Naruto used it to temporarily bind the Limbo: Border Jail clones (Can be considered Fuinjutsu). The properties and uses of the TSB are clearly determined by the user themselves.

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    • @Princeharris

      TSBs have yet to prove to obliterate a living person though.

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    • As I've said before, @Princeharris, they can do that by just blasting through them with force. I saw pieces flying; the regular paper-like pieces of Edo Tensei. Besides, it'd make sense for the TSB to obliterate an Edo Tensei, which is a Ninjutsu. That's the whole reason Minato's arm didn't regenerate.

      Also, I thought what Obito used to cast the barrier was Black receivers, like receivers for his chakra. Rinnegan ability. Could be wrong, haven't read it in awhile.

      Anyways, it's obvious that they do not inherently turn anything to dust. Otherwise, Minato would have holes or something in his back.

      I'm not entirely sure the TSBs were used as actual binders against Madara's Border Jail. Naruto's Rasengan seemed to be binding him, while the TSB sticks seemed to be actual physical restraints. That's mainly speculation on my part; I'm just personally not convinced that they were restraining him as a jutsu.

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      Source: "Truth-Seeking Balls are extremely destructive, capable of turning targets to dust in a similar manner to Dust Release." Naruto chapter 639, pages 7-8

      So you mean to tell me that the Manga is wrong and the information found on the Truth-Seeking Ball page on THIS WIKIA is wrong?

      I read the chapter and all Hiruzen states is that it has solid defense and it turns attacks to dust. You know what they were attacking with? Ninjutsu.

      The only reason I wouldn't edit the page myself to better reflect what Hiruzen said on those pages is because the translation I read might be off. So I leave that stuff to translators.

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    • Rachin123 wrote: @Princeharris

      TSBs have yet to prove to obliterate a living person though.

      The Moon is Denser than Human Skin the only thing stopping it would be the Chakra Durabiilty so if someone as strong as say Minato used a TSB it'd obliterate Konohamaru but only tickle Adult Naruto & Sasuke, Kaguya on the other hand would kill everyone like she stated in the Manga

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    • @Nibbler

      Firstly, the TSBs were converted into a sword form in order to slash through the Moon. Now if that kind of form were used on Konohamaru, it would slice through him, not obliterate him. This isn't Edos, these are live people.

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    • Toneris sword was also enhanced by tenseigan.

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    • @kakashi, while he was using the dust release type-thing on it as well.. so I suppose that solves the problem about the tsb being actually able to cut through anything like I said before? or not? cuz, im still a tad confused.. if he used the dust release type-thing while the tsb were shaped like shields, wouldn't that make a perfect, and invincible defense?. and kishiki didn't have them, so I suppose his weapons are obviously weaker, right? him, at full strength, imo, would be maybe higher than/ equal to nagato, who was dealing with three bijuu lvl shinobi at the same time, while being an edo, and having no control over his body.

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    • From what I understand the Shape of the TSB itself is Irrelevant

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    • From what I understand, the closest thing to obliterating something a TSB did was to Edos who are only alive because of ninjutsu, something TSBs nullify. So my point is not to downplay the TSB's power, but clarify it. Using all TSBs, powered up by the Tenseigan, they were able to slice, not destroy or obliterate, the hallow and already broken down Moon. It's impressive, yes, but I don't see how you suggest that the TSBs can obliterate anything from, when it has yet to even prove that.

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    • I can't see the image but this one confirms that he can split planets, or "worlds", it's from the databook.

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    • @Mobzzzzz5

      Do not upload images for the sole purpose of forums please.

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    • Why do you guys have such a problem believing a statement a man made about his own work he drew this...it's just ink and paper..chill with the nonsense nitpicking it's lame

      @AsianReaper

      That's been refuted many times over gaaras sand is what protected minato from the tsb.

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    • 9 Arts dragon wrote: Why do you guys have such a problem believing a statement a man made about his own work he drew this...it's just ink and paper..chill with the nonsense nitpicking it's lame

      As is the problem with many Databook statements, it rarely makes sense or is proven. IE Hinata has releases in the databook that are never ever used.

      Same with Kinshiki: it's possible that he can split a planet, sure, but it doesn't look like it.

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    • What are you people even arguing about? The TSB can indeed have the very same effect as Dust Release, since the effect of TSB is completely dependent on the natures used/mixed.

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    • Hiruzen compared the balls to Dust Release after seeing them erase his shuriken, and Obito apparently wasn't using Yin-Yang Release at the point when he erased Tobirama. Though it is weird they don't erase things in some cases like when Madara hit Sakura, since there was no reason for him not to do so if it's optional.

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    • BeyondRed wrote: Hiruzen compared the balls to Dust Release after seeing them erase his shuriken, and Obito apparently wasn't using Yin-Yang Release at the point when he erased Tobirama. Though it is weird they don't erase things in some cases like when Madara hit Sakura, since there was no reason for him not to do so if it's optional.

      You mean the Kage Bunshin SHuriken? The Ninjutsu? Gee.

      @Thekillman, lol what? When has it been ever said that Gaara's sand protected Minato? I must have really bad memory, if I'm wrong I'm sorry really. But where does it say that?

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    • @BeyondRed, it's called plot. And you are correct saying that Obito wasn't even using YinYang at the time Hiruzen made the statement, not sure why the other mods are stubborn.

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    • Maybe, because dust-turning TSBs have never turned anything/anyone to dust?

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    • They did, Hiruzen's head

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    • Obito just smashed it with the whatever weapon TSB turned into. Nothing special.

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    • Splitting worlds could mean creating new worlds or dimension just like the power of Kaguya's expansive TSB. A dimension within a dimension.


      For comparison from other anime such as Inuyasha, Kinshiki's technique could be something like Meidō Zangetsuha of Inuyasha's Black Tessaiga kinda like Backlash Wave.

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    • @Raven, yes, Kishi wrote Hiruzen to compare it to Dust Release only for you to argue.. what's with you people ._.

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    • Juubito didn't even turn Hiruzen's shuriken into dust l, he just deflected them. Hiruzen compared TSB to Dust Release in terms of malleability. The turning-things-to-dust thing is a hyperbole. People got to stop taking blank statements as facts.

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    • Then it means it's one of the many inconsistencies he wrote. As I already said, dust-durning TSBs are supposed to actually turn something to dust, which was never seen. Unless they turn to dust only the small areas of the object they hit into, but it's not really useful and almost doesn't differ from the regular effect of slicing/smashing weapons.

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    • UltimaDude wrote: Juubito didn't even turn Hiruzen's shuriken into dust l, he just deflected them. Hiruzen compared TSB to Dust Release in terms of malleability. The turning-things-to-dust thing is a hyperbole. People got to stop taking blank statements as facts.

      Yeah, he was able to pierce them,didnt turn into dust.

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    • he actually cut the shuriken in half. watch it again, like I did, just to be sure.

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    • Elveonora wrote: @BeyondRed, it's called plot. And you are correct saying that Obito wasn't even using YinYang at the time Hiruzen made the statement, not sure why the other mods are stubborn.

      What I'm sure me and the other mods are saying is that TSBs can't turn anything into dust, if you call what it did to Minato and Hiruzen that, such as living people.

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    • they did it to trees when onoki used it. they are alive, and have a tougher skin than humans.

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    • Lorenzo.r.1st wrote: they did it to trees when onoki used it. they are alive, and have a tougher skin than humans.

      They are also only alive because of ninjutsu, thus can be dealt with accordinly by TSBs.

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    • yes, but when normal jutsu are deactivated (even the elemental ones, like water that evaporates, or earth the crumbles) they disappear. the trees don't. they might be alive for all we know.

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    • No, not really. They are like vampires. Dead, but alive, they're in between, which can be known as undead, but we have no idea if it works the same on people who were not Edos.

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    • Again, before Obito won control over the TT there was no ninjutsu nullification

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    • true. it was just pure force of the tsb movin really fast.

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    • @Elve

      When was this proven? I don't recall that ever being the case.

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    • when he hit the 3rd he didn't vaporize, nor did he (the edo form) not come back with the pieces of paper, unlike minato's arm, that was lost forever. see?

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    • Rachin123 wrote: @Elve

      When was this proven? I don't recall that ever being the case.

      When Hiruzen was able to recover from mindless Juubito's attack. Though I still agree with you

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    • I don't think this pointless back and forth arguing is good for anything, let's just stick with manga facts please instead of opinions based on bias, headcanon and personal feelings. Furthermore, the trend over the last couple of days seems to be that topics quickly shift off topic. Sasuke's Rinnegan became about Truth Seeking Balls, Kinshiki's strength has become about Truth Seeking Balls... I think some people around here really like black balls, although they are not very truthful about it.

      Anyway, the Christmas has been over for almost a month now, so enough with the abundance of niceness. Time to bring out the hammer again.

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    • Elveonora wrote: I think some people around here really like black balls, although they are not very truthful about it.

      nice one.

      Elveonora wrote: Again, before Obito won control over the TT there was no ninjutsu nullification

      Seems to me that TSB's are just mostly inert orbs unless the user specifies a property (IE turning stuff to dust). I don't believe that nullification is an always-on power, and the various inconsistencies can be summed up as a simple "because the user didn't specify that property". Even though the Fourth War is light on explanations, it's clear that there ought to be drawbacks and limits to powers. TSBs don't have always-on powers. If the user's not focusing on an effect e.g. nullifying, it's not happening.

      My personal thoughts on this is that Obito had a special hatred for Minato and did his best to hurt him more than the others. Madara was pedantic about wasting power on lowly people so probably didn't think to nullify Sakura.

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    • Yeah, but Madara bothered to nulify Minato's remaining arm anyway.

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    • The fact is that Edos can't really be compared to living things, as even Edos aren't even affected by the Infinite Tsukuyomi. So only fact here is that the TSBs can "obliterate" Edos. It has yet to prove to do such a feat to living things. It can't destroy everything. They are indeed powerful and versatile thoough. But, onto to topic, the biggest feat with the TSBs was splitting a hallow and smaller-sized Moon, and that was with all TSBs powered by the Tenseigan. Of course we can use the Expanding Truth Seeking Ball attack, but that whole thing can be said to be a hyperbole.

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    • Of course and that's not even an opinion, it's a fact. If only people bothered to check the databook translations where it states this.

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    • actually, if I remember correctly, onoki was gonna kill ms sasuke with the dust release. so it can kill and obliterate people. and that means that so can tsb.

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    • Rachin123 wrote: But, onto to topic, the biggest feat with the TSBs was splitting a hallow and smaller-sized Moon, and that was with all TSBs powered by the TenseigaN

      I want to point out that it wasn't just TSB's: it was a TSB-cored chakra sword. chakra swords like Perfect Susanoo's can cut through rock. My guess is that the TSB's stabilized such a gargantuan sword. Doesn't meant TSB's can cut through rock.

      Lorenzo.r.1st wrote: actually, if I remember correctly, onoki was gonna kill ms sasuke with the dust release. so it can kill and obliterate people. and that means that so can tsb.

      TSB's are not equal to dust release. It nullifies jutsu, just like Dust Release can nullify things. It doesn't mean TSB's are perfectly equivalent to Dust release in every way.

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    • dust release makes things go into their smallest cellular state. onoki tells that to Karin in right after 'using it on sasuke'. its doenst nullify anything. and tsb has all the chakra natures, after all, so when the 3rd said it was kinda like onoki's dust release, he most probably meant that it 'turns things to dust'. and where was it stated that tsb actually nullify thing? tell me who said it, when, how, and where.

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    • -_- The tsb only working on jutsu thing has also been debunked over and over.Juubitos tsb would erase matter when it didn't reach naruto and co and expanded,Toneris tsb could erase air if you look closely to the fight.Dust release is just a sub power of tsb,tsb has every element including shadow and light.

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    • I already said everything that u just wrote, in one of my older comments, but thanks for repeating it (not for me, cuz I already know all that, but for the others who don't).

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    • 9 Arts dragon wrote: -_- The tsb only working on jutsu thing has also been debunked over and over.Juubitos tsb would erase matter when it didn't reach naruto and co and expanded,Toneris tsb could erase air if you look closely to the fight.

      ^This -_-

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    • how come nobody cared when I wrote about it, but when the problem in question is solved everybody gets credit? I should stop commenting so early on threads man.

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    • Lorenzo.r.1st wrote: how come nobody cared when I wrote about it, but when the problem in question is solved everybody gets credit? I should stop commenting so early on threads man.

      Nobody reads my post either.Oh well,welcome to the club <3

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    • lol no lie. I think I said the thing that guy wrote, like, 5 times already. and that wans even before we were discussing about this. I should be like "The Great Problem Originator" or something.

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    • Rachin123 wrote:

      9 Arts dragon wrote: -_- The tsb only working on jutsu thing has also been debunked over and over.Juubitos tsb would erase matter when it didn't reach naruto and co and expanded,Toneris tsb could erase air if you look closely to the fight.

      ^This -_-

      • Particles in the air but you get the point.It did that when naruto was on the ground deflecting the tsb with rasengans.
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    • yup. is chakra atomic? like, does it go down to atomic lvls, or is just like magic, where stuff just comes outta nowhere?

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    • Lorenzo.r.1st wrote: yup. is chakra atomic? like, does it go down to atomic lvls, or is just like magic, where stuff just comes outta nowhere?

      Magic. The "dust" in dust release seems to refer to "turning things to dust". It seems thus logical that dust release would also turn Jutsu "to dust" even if we don't know what exactly said dust would be.

      Lorenzo.r.1st wrote: how come nobody cared when I wrote about it, but when the problem in question is solved everybody gets credit? I should stop commenting so early on threads man.

      People rarely read more than the last 2-3 posts.

      Lorenzo.r.1st wrote: and where was it stated that tsb actually nullify thing? tell me who said it, when, how, and where.

      when Gamakichi hits the TSB with his Sage Jutsu, Tobirama mentions that the technique wasn't erased.

      I still don't see why this matters to Kinshiki's splitting of a planet, but hey.

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