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  • I'm going to start off by saying yes I am a bit biased against the Uchiha. I feel that the clan had a huge stranglehold on the plot that drug it down and that the Mankegyo Sharingan was way too overpowered. Couple that with the fact that the Mangekyo was supposed to be rare, but half a dozen people had it and the vast majority of those people are turds and you get a cluster of stupid.

    That being said, even with my bias against them I have to wonder why on earth did the Uchiha clan think that they could take over Konoha? Why did Kishimoto think people would buy that? I'm not saying the clan didn't have strong members, but let's look at this logically.

    First off, the clan was just that. A clan. One clan. Many members of the clan do not fight. Some of the members likely don't have fully awakened sharingan. Some of those who do have it may be too old to fight for long. The clan had been in decline for a while so it didn't have a large pool of fighters. There are seven or more clans in the village. One of which is the Hyuuga whose Byakugan can match the base Sharingan in terms of power. They had been rivals for awhile, but since the Hyuuga weren't under survelaince and marginalized it's safe to assume they had more members, better funds, and etc. I do not recall the Uchiha having any allies to help them in this rebellion and please correct me if I'm wrong, but that alone speaks of their arrogance. To think they could take over the village with a few squads. They could do damage yes, but no one would let them take over.

    Secondly, their heaviest hitters were not there. Shisui died, and they knew Itachi wasn't likely to side with them. Even if Itachi had sided with him they still wouldn't have one for Itachi would have run out of chakra trying to deal with heavy hitters like Guy, Kakashi, Kurenai, Asume, Danzo, Yamamoto, Jiraya, Anko, the other clan leaders, Anbu, Root, the Third Hokage, and etc. He got winded after one use of Mangekyo when he fought Kakashi several years after the rebellion.

    Thirdly, the other clans are not slouches at all. Hyuuga are monsters in melee who will see you coming and tell everyone hey look there are the stupid Uchiha. The Nara in an urban setting with shadows everywhere? Please. The Inuzuka with a massive pack of ninja hounds? Have you ever been attack by one dog? I have it's hard dealing with one, let alone a pack of them and their rabid masters. The Akimichi can turn into Kajiuu and slug it out with tailed beasts. Remember Chouji fighting out with the geddo statue? A fire ball isn't going to do much to him. The Aburame. Just no. One can control a swarm of thousands the entire clan would blot out the sky with their insects. They're sneaky and can breed their insects to do various things. Then there are the Yamanaka who terrify me the most. They can take over your body, they can make your ally attack you so you have to deal with that before getting to them, then they can trap you in a freaking doll. A DOLL! In a one on one clan fight I can see the Uchiha beating these clans, but that's the problem. It wouldn't be one on one especially with the Akimichi, Nara, and Yamanaka. That trio would crush the Uchiha easily.

    Fourth and fifth reasons. Might Guy and Jiraya. End of story no explanation needed there.

    Sixth, the village knew they were going to do it. They were prepared for it. Even without the clans the village has a pretty large shinobi force. Root had likely been trained to fight Uchiha so this was a rofl stomp in the making.

    This plan was doomed from the start. All I see is a waste of life, resources, and stupid pride in this action. Maybe I'm reading too much into or hindsight is 20/20, but really don't think that in character this was well thought out and Kishimoto didn't think it out either.

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    • I think the plan was for the Uchiha to completely sneak attack the village by releasing the ninetales; I'm pretty sure Fugaku didn't consider his son to spy on the clan at all. If they controlled the ninetales and successfully did assassinations along with help from outside the village, ie any other hiden village I think it would have turned successful if not crippling Konoha to be destroyed by another source.

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    • That plan is even dumber though. The point of taking over the village is to have something to take over. The Ninetails would have obliterated the village decimating forces leaving the land of fire very open to invasion. Madara was shown to be the only one to be able to control the Ninetails via summoning it. Maybe Obito to some extent, but regardless this was after Minato sealed half of the ninetails in his son making it weaker. The village likely would have been able to survive that attack, especially if Jiraya was in the village at the time.

      Why not just abandon the village since they weren't wanted? Would have been simpler and better for everyone's health. Still if they had more aid from the outside or some allies withing the village along with the ninetails they may have been able to pull it off. They however did not have any of those things. Naruto was likely under constant surveillance when he was a child so if they made a move on him then all hell would of broken loose.

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    • Well even though it was filler , Fugaku mentioned That controlling Kurama was no big a feat.. So don't know what you are suggesting but with shisui being alive they had descent chances off winning. Plus they didn't plan on taking on the whole village like you are suggesting but only on the higher council. That would bring abt bloodless revolution.

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    • Another reason to hate the Uchiha clan. Controlling the tailed beasts like it's nothing even though at the start it is said the weakest tailed beast is stronger then the strongest shinobi. Killing the council would have sparked a civil war. The rest of the village wouldn't let the council be assassinated without retaliation.

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    • Ancladar wrote: Another reason to hate the Uchiha clan. Controlling the tailed beasts like it's nothing even though at the start it is said the weakest tailed beast is stronger then the strongest shinobi. Killing the council would have sparked a civil war. The rest of the village wouldn't let the council be assassinated without retaliation.

      I don't know, Killing wasn't explicitly said during the time they were planning the coup perhaps threatening or forcing them to quit the post or make Fugaku hokage?
      Tailed beasts during that time were thought off as weapons/brainless creatures not some one who have feelings. Only 3rd mizukage, Killer B and (maybe)hashirama had some pull amongst the tailed beasts.
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    • Itachi would probably be tasked by Fugaku to assasinate Hiruzen and other higher-ups. Naruto would probably be heavily guarded by Anbu during the attack. The Konoha Police force have many skillful Uchiha which I'm sure they won't be easy to take down. Depending on if Itachi will side with the Uchiha or not, he might request help from Obito to assist in either destroying/taking over Konoha or eliminate all Uchiha. Obito is a beast, and along with Itachi, both of them together are just too much to handle for all of Konoha and I'm sure both of them could take on Jiraiya and Guy aswell :P. I think the Hyuga clan will be the biggest threat to the Uchiha, I don't think dogs will be a problem for the UCHIHA CLAN and bugs too, they can easily be put into a simple genjutsu. The huge threats I can think of are the Ino-Shika-Cho trio, Jiraiya, Danzo and Hiruzen

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    • @uchiwaru
      Jiraiya wasn't in the village since he was looking out for ORo
      Guy too I believe hadn't mastered the 8 gates (given in the filler he only opened 6th)
      Bugs can't be put in genjutsu, somrthing like that shino said if I remember but even than fire jutsu should destroy them.

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    • in the Itachi shinden novel, Itachi used Tsukuyomi on Yoji aburame's bugs

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    • checked it's true so I guess bugs can be put in genjutsu..

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    • Well Kishi is the kind of guy who probably decorates his pillows with Itachi pillowcases and makes his wife dress up as Sasuke while making love to her. He probably also has posters of Madara and Obito all over his walls, which, in all likelihood, are all covered with creamy white goo at this point.

      Point is, Kishi loves the Uchiha so much that I wouldn't be surprised if he has secretly made a hentai series with the Uchiha regularly forcing themselves on characters like Sherlock and Spock (Logic personified). And we have no other option that to shrug our shoulders and accept his Uchiha fetish.

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    • Obito should have been dead so let's not count him in on this rebellion. Obito being alive was he shark jumping the plane moment for me in this series. Itachi would have run out of chakra trying to deal with the higher ups for they weren't slouches, neither would their guards be. Remember Danzo was ready to wipe out the clan and he likely could have done it. Skill and power are great, but never underestimate numbers. Madara had an easy time of it simply because plot hax no jutsu. Summoning a meteor to clear the field is something Itachi couldn't do.

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    • Nobody in konoha can 1vs1 itachi(unless ofcourse we include guy mastered 8th gate then yes guy wins)so dont think he will go down easily.

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    • Ancladar wrote: Obito should have been dead so let's not count him in on this rebellion.

      lol don't exclude Obito because you think he should be dead, he isn't. and its possible that he may assist Itachi since he wants Itachi to join Akatsuki

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    • We should exclude Obito for being a garbage human for wasn't he able to move around at that point and let his clan get massacred? Pretty sure he did or even helped his clan die.

      Still Obito living through that is stupid. Half his body had been crushed by that boulder. He should have been dead on impact since many major organs were past likely part of his skull. Not excluding Obito because I think he should be dead, I'm excluding him because I know he should be dead and him being alive kinda ruined Naruto for me. Especially since he was such a whiny little turd because the girl he had a crush on died that he couldn't handle it and went on this rampage killing hundreds of people, turning on his teacher, essentially killed Kushina, tried to blow up a new born infant, and was working to genjutsu everyone in the world because he could face the fact Rin died.

      We can consider the possibility of Itachi helping out, that's fine. Exclude the other Uchiha because Madara is too dang hax, Shishui is dead, and just screw Obito. While maybe only one or two shinobi could 1v1 itachi, Itachi couldn't handle that many good shinobi at once without running out of chakra. The fact he solo'd his clan to me shows that the Uchiha clan didn't have many fighters, or many elite fighters. Not good enough for him to use Mangekyo on at least. Heck he may have killed most of them without using a single justu and jus used taijutsu.

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    • Ancladar wrote: Still Obito living through that is stupid. Half his body had been crushed by that boulder. He should have been dead on impact since many major organs were past likely part of his skull.

      I think that, given the circumstances and information that we have, a Zetsu saved him. The rock didn't land directly on him though, and he fell while pushing Kakashi. So it's not impossible for him to survive the initial crush.

      As to the primary topic: I wonder if the Uchiha were truly willing to go to war. They had little choice (they were essentially politically sidelined from any important job), but i think the endgame was to force some sort of change, as Konoha would want to avoid civil war at all costs.

      Keep in mind that they wouldn't be fighting a straight versus or a fair fight: They'd want to strike the important parts first. As Police, they can lock down the streets and act like there's an emergency. They can enter important places and for example arrest the Hokage, or take various people hostage. By the time anyone knows there's a coup, the Uchiha can already be victorious. they obviously wouldn't strike when all major ninja are at home.

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    • Remember that Kimimaru's clan got wiped out because they thought they could take on the Hidden Mist village no problem. It's not unheard of for clans to make boneheaded moves in the series.

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    • Raidra wrote: Remember that Kimimaru's clan got wiped out because they thought they could take on the Hidden Mist village no problem. It's not unheard of for clans to make boneheaded moves in the series.

      Considering Juugo's kekkei genkai, it probably was genetic bloodlust.

      But like i said, it's not like the Uchiha would just stand in front of the village and say "well this is a coup, please come out to fight". Half of Konoha would be under their control before anyone knows what's going on. Problematic ninja would either be out of the village (it's called good planning), or have a kunai to their throat and a seal on their stomach/eyes/whatever.

      As the police, the Uchiha would be in an excellent position to pull off a whole lot of otherwise suspicious stuff, and they can abuse the hell out of it during the coup, before anyone realizes it's a coup.

      The one thing they missed is that Itachi was a double agent, and a coup's not worth much if you know it's coming (Since the element of surprise / the first strike is essential to a coup)

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    • What does Jugo's kekkei genkai have to do with Kimimaro's clan?

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    • Actually Itachi used Kenjutsu mostly.Not taijutsu

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    • I'd love to see the Uchiha try to just roll up on Danzo, Guy, or the Third to arrest them. The only one who'd be able to stop any of them is Itachi so unless he could be three or more places at once then they're dying. They were in decline, remember that they do not have the numbers to be losing dozens or more people trying to take down the big wigs still in the village.

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    • but lets talk about the other enemy nations taking advantage of this, would the Uchiha be able to face the Sand Village with just Kurama?

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    • Who's to say they thought this through? I mean, there's making a plan and then there's thinking something through. It's heavily implied they've been angry about being isolated since Madara "died". How many angry mobs do you know make smart plans? It actually a smart plot point on Kishi's part. Plus, it's stated multiple times that the council didn't have complete faith in their ability to quell the rebellion, should it happen. This implies they either underestimate their forces' abilities or overestimated the Uchiha, both of which are problems in battle strategy.

      Onto another point, the Uchiha are very overpowered. Most of the ones we've seen were capable of taking on large groups by themselves. Sasuke took down Danzo, after being worn down by multiple Kage and jonin. Madara casually took down armies by himself. Itachi was sick but his intelligence was his most deadly weapon anyway. He saw several moves ahead of pretty much everyone.

      While these are special cases, it sets the tone that the Uchiha were a huge threat, whether or not their plans were thought through. They were a battle clan, thriving in the heat of battle and even if they didn't win, it would be a crippling blow to Konoha nonetheless. Half of the shinobi you mention weren't at the level they were at during the series when these events took place. I highly doubt Guy could do some of the stuff he did during Shippuden. Kakashi was an Anbu at the time (I believe) and didn't have conscious access to the Mangekyo Sharingan. The Hyuga may have been a problem but I don't see a Byakugan faring well against a fully awakened Sharingan. At most, they'd counter each other. And I doubt the Uchiha were blind to their weak points in some of the other areas. We can't assume numbers on either sides and the Uchiha could easily steal ammunitions and funds they needed. Plus, Konoha was more likely to devote forces to protecting civilians which would have weaken them.

      Was it a well thought through plan? We'll never known. Was it a smart idea? Not in the slightest. But a lot of you are putting way too much faith in Konoha's manpower, especially since we've since multiple cases of Konoha being crippled in big cases (Orochimaru and Pain being key examples). I'm not saying the Uchiha would definitely win but this would have been a gigantic mess, whoever "won" in the end. And with the way the Uchiha felt about Konoha, even if they lose, Konoha would be down and other villages would definitely take that opportunity to attack, starting a war that would likely end poorly for Konoha, which means the Uchiha would win in the end.

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    • My Only Question Is, Who Is Yamamoto? lol

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    • Bob1200 wrote: My Only Question Is, Who Is Yamamoto? lol

      Um, what? A joke I missed?

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    • "Secondly, their heaviest hitters were not there. Shisui died, and they knew Itachi wasn't likely to side with them. Even if Itachi had sided with him they still wouldn't have one for Itachi would have run out of chakra trying to deal with heavy hitters like Guy, Kakashi, Kurenai, Asume, Danzo, Yamamoto, Jiraya, Anko, the other clan leaders, Anbu, Root, the Third Hokage, and etc. He got winded after one use of Mangekyo when he fought Kakashi several years after the rebellion. " Read Through That Carefully, lol.

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    • I see, lol

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    • Yamato sorry. Meant Yamato you know the guy with wood release because he's got Hirashima cells.

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    • Yeah But He Wasn't Created As A Character During That Point In Time, XD

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    • Neither was Shisui, Obito and Danzo

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    • Them Too, lol.

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    • OriginalFanBoy wrote: How many angry mobs do you know make smart plans?

      >looks silently across the water

      OriginalFanBoy wrote: It actually a smart plot point on Kishi's part.

      I do agree on this.

      Raidra wrote: What does Jugo's kekkei genkai have to do with Kimimaro's clan?

      Some kekkei genkai come with genetic bloodlust.

      Ancladar wrote: I'd love to see the Uchiha try to just roll up on Danzo, Guy, or the Third to arrest them

      There are such things as poison and "attacking someone in their sleep". They can also just wait until a lot of people are on a mission to reduce the amount of problematic people present. The idea of a Coup is that you strike first and as hard as possible, before people know it's a coup.

      Besides, Shisui was still alive and had dual MS and Danzo had none. Odds were better before Shisui kind of died and trashed their plans. I'd love to see Danzo, Guy or Hiruzen try and take on Kotoamatsukami

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    • but... Shisui is allied with Konoha so it's really Danzo, Guy, Hiruzen AND Shisui vs Uchiha clan

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    • Uchiwaru wrote: but... Shisui is allied with Konoha so it's really Danzo, Guy, Hiruzen AND Shisui vs Uchiha clan

      Again, the clan didn't know that. The Uchiha clan was unaware that their two big talents were pro-konoha (and would chose konoha over their clan). Or at least, they would expect them to do "the right thing" and pick their clan over their village. That is exactly what Itachi alludes to when he snaps in front of his uchiha accusors in Sasuke's memory (IE, after Shisui's death, when the police comes to investigate)

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    • Thekillman wrote:

      Raidra wrote: What does Jugo's kekkei genkai have to do with Kimimaro's clan?

      Some kekkei genkai come with genetic bloodlust.

      Maybe, but what does Jugo's kekkei genkai have to do with Kimimaro's clan? Jugo and Kimimaro belonged to two completely different clans with two completely different kekkei genkai. In fact, Kimimaro was the only one in his clan who had Shikotsumyaku, the Kaguya Clan kekkei genkai (just like Hashirama was the only one in his clan with Wood Release), so really their kekkei genkai doesn't seem to be a factor at all. In fact, Kimimaro, the only one who had Shikotsumyaku, was the only one in the clan who wasn't thoughtlessly bloodthirsty. Even if it did induce bloodthirst (which it seemingly doesn't), what would that have to do with Jugo's kekkei genkai? I'm not seeing any connection whatsoever. Also, what other kekkei genkai have genetic bloodlust?

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    • The biggest thing I could see happening was that it'll just be another Konoha Crush or Pains Assault, and probably another village is gonna attack. Bye bye Konoha.

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    • Supertinu wrote: The biggest thing I could see happening was that it'll just be another Konoha Crush or Pains Assault, and probably another village is gonna attack. Bye bye Konoha.

      True, which is why i think the Uchiha didn't really want civil war; The primary goal was probably to get around the table with the Hokage and get some power back.

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