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    14:17, August 23, 2017

    How about adding a conjecture in yata mirror article (even in trivia) that it's weakness is senjutsu. Yata mirror has the same defensive specifications like TSB aside from being able to turn flesh into ash upon contact. It also has similar ethereal form. So it is essentially artificial TSB. It's common practice to try and replicate powerful techniques and weapons.Rizgubi (talk) 12:17, July 2, 2017 (UTC)

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    • We don't add conjecture to articles.

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    • Why would 100% speculation be added to the articles?

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    • TOTsuka is not TSB , in fact its more powerful than TSB cuz it is spiritual and also shape transformable.......

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    • There was nothing shown that suggests Yata mirror being able to shape transform, unlike the TSBs themselves.

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    • Ravenlot 27 wrote: There was nothing shown that suggests Yata mirror being able to shape transform, unlike the TSBs themselves.

      It changed its size though.

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    • When exactly?

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    • No, the Yata Mirror is the Yata Mirror. Nothing to do with the TSB. That would be like saying because clones have the same effect as Shadow Clones (to create doppelgangers) therefore they are the same technique.

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    • Ravenlot 27 wrote: When exactly?

      Rewatch itachi sasuke fight. When sasuke threw kunai knives with paper bombs yata mirror expanded to repel them bcuz when it was shown at first, it's size was extremely small, suddenly it expanded into a large mirror and even DB states that yata mirror changes every property to repel every attack !That means yata mirror can become malleable and expandable if the attack strikes from all sides. Its stated it do not have physical form=intangible

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    • Hungry Ghost realm wrote:

      Ravenlot 27 wrote: When exactly?

      Rewatch itachi sasuke fight. When sasuke threw kunai knives with paper bombs yata mirror expanded to repel them bcuz when it was shown at first, it's size was extremely small, suddenly it expanded into a large mirror and even DB states that yata mirror changes every property to repel every attack !That means yata mirror can become malleable and expandable if the attack strikes from all sides. Its stated it do not have physical form=intangible

      Itachi is invincible if we look at the power of yata mirror which can expand and cover the entire susanoo

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    • I know this scene, but there was no sign that Yata Mirror actually changed its shape. At first, it just began to dematerialise along with Itachi's Susanoo when he reached his limits, but reappeared with Susanoo again when Sasuke threw a single paper bomb at him. Then Sasuke decided to threw a whole bunch of them, it was ineffective again, but the shield's size remained the same.

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    • Ravenlot 27 wrote: I know this scene, but there was no sign that Yata Mirror actually changed its shape. At first, it just began to dematerialise along with Itachi's Susanoo when he reached his limits, but reappeared with Susanoo again when Sasuke threw a single paper bomb at him. Then Sasuke decided to threw a whole bunch of them, it was ineffective again, but the shield's size remained the same.

      Watch it more clearly, it expanded, it was a lot bigger than it was before. According to DB , yata mirror is a magical mirror so common sense dont apply. And its stated that this mirror doesnt have a physical form(intangible) and that it can change every property (that means it can be malleable) to repel any attack which touches it. Sasuke's kusanagi stabbed the mirror and got repelled proving that yata mirror is indeed intangible. Thats what makes itachi so powerful, his mirror can deflect every attack, astral(intangible obito's space time),spiritual(genjutsu), ninjutsu, and physical jutsus and attacks. In short, What zetsu stated is indeed true. Dont forget itachi can also use tsukiyomi inside his susanoo which makes him the most dangerous individual in naruto universe. Or you should prove otherwise, just bcuz it have zero feats doesnt mean anyone can change the statements of DB by the author himself. Or are you also gonna say gakido cant absorb raikage's raiton armour?Cuz it hasnt been absorbed by rinnegan.

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    • Itachi isnt invicible,unless the enemy is stupid.YM can change size but its not omni directional.

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    • The Yata Mirror lacks Senjutsu, so it's not like a Truth-Seeking Ball.

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    • Kakashisologod1 wrote: Itachi isnt invicible,unless the enemy is stupid.YM can change size but its not omni directional.

      It is omni-directional because ot changed its form.The snakes attacked from all sides but couldnt touch his susanoo. The databook says "Itachis susanoo has an absolutely perfect defense and attack because of the spirit weapons they possess."

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    • Hungry Ghost realm wrote:

      Kakashisologod1 wrote: Itachi isnt invicible,unless the enemy is stupid.YM can change size but its not omni directional.

      It is omni-directional because ot changed its form.The snakes attacked from all sides but couldnt touch his susanoo. The databook says "Itachis susanoo has an absolutely perfect defense and attack because of the spirit weapons they possess."

      In 1 DIRECTION,it never showed to be omni directional,snakes were able to strike from other sides.

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    • Kakashisologod1 wrote:

      Hungry Ghost realm wrote:

      Kakashisologod1 wrote: Itachi isnt invicible,unless the enemy is stupid.YM can change size but its not omni directional.

      It is omni-directional because ot changed its form.The snakes attacked from all sides but couldnt touch his susanoo. The databook says "Itachis susanoo has an absolutely perfect defense and attack because of the spirit weapons they possess."

      In 1 DIRECTION,it never showed to be omni directional,snakes were able to strike from other sides.

      It was stated as omnidirectional in the databook. "Changes its characteristics to the characteristics of the opponent's attack"=if the opponents attack is omnidirectional , the mirror will convert into an omnidirectional sphere.

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    • No,it can also mean if opponent strikes from above,it can expand its lenght.Its undefined.We have also seen it expanding lenght.

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    • Kakashisologod1 wrote: No,it can also mean if opponent strikes from above,it can expand its lenght.Its undefined.We have also seen it expanding lenght.

      Lmfao databook states"It can change each and every attribute in accordance with the attack "=It can harden,become malleable, etc etc according to the attack. You say we havent seen it becoming a dome even though orochimaru's attacks were not omnidirectional. Sasuke's sword + sasuke himself got reflected back along with papertags , what more proof do you want?

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    • I am not denying it cant block everything,but DB can also be wrong and unless its shown in the manga we should not trust it.

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    • Kakashisologod1 wrote: I am not denying it cant block everything,but DB can also be wrong and unless its shown in the manga we should not trust it.

      Lmao"DB can be proven wrong"=plotarmour?In a real battle, databooks are all that matter lmao.

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    • No they arent.Manga>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Db,DB has a lot of errors.I already showed you example.s

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    • Hungry Ghost realm wrote: Lmfao databook states"It can change each and every attribute in accordance with the attack "=It can harden,become malleable, etc etc according to the attack. You say we havent seen it becoming a dome even though orochimaru's attacks were not omnidirectional. Sasuke's sword + sasuke himself got reflected back along with papertags , what more proof do you want?

      I fail to see how a shield blocking a few explosive tags is proof that it can block everything and anything.

      For a shield supposedly so awesome, it's used only once. Itachi didn't use it against Nagato (if it's omnidirectional and can block everything, why not shield against a Chibaku Tensei? It can adapt to ANYTHING right?), he didn't use it against Kabuto (if it can block ANYTHING, it can also block light, right?). It's not nearly as powerful as the Databook makes it seem.

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    • Exatcly,YM can only expand size//lenght.

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    • YM cannot expand. It is just a shield. YM didn't adapt to Orochimaru's 8 branches attack.

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    • Ninja Of War wrote: YM cannot expand. It is just a shield. YM didn't adapt to Orochimaru's 8 branches attack.

      Exatcly,it isnt omni directional,only size can be expanded.

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    • When did the YM change size?

      YM didn't adapt to the 8 branches technique, that disproves that it can expand.

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    • Ninja Of War wrote: When did the YM change size?

      YM didn't adapt to the 8 branches technique, that disproves that it can expand.

      They attacked from the other sides and check their fight,ym expanded size its not authors mistake.

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    • I checked the manga, no indication of change in size of YM.

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    • So in short you guys are saying yata mirror is a much weaker defense than gaara's sand?than neji's kaiten?Ok understood.

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    • Hungry Ghost realm wrote: So in short you guys are saying yata mirror is a much weaker defense than gaara's sand?than neji's kaiten?Ok understood.

      No lol.

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    • Kakashisologod1 wrote:

      Hungry Ghost realm wrote: So in short you guys are saying yata mirror is a much weaker defense than gaara's sand?than neji's kaiten?Ok understood.

      No lol.

      If not it would be 360 as the former two has omnidirectional defenses yata being the most absolute shield is no exception

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    • Nejis shield is much much weaker as it could not stop narutos punch.Garras sand got pierced by chidori.YM was confirmed to be able to stop ANY attack in one direction.

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    • Hungry Ghost realm wrote: If not it would be 360 as the former two has omnidirectional defenses yata being the most absolute shield is no exception

      That's not how it works. Not to mention the Yata Mirror has no feats while the others do. Also, the Yata Mirror was never stated to be an absolute defense.

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    • One direction?Where?It was changed to change every property to deflect every attack so if the attack is omnidirectional then it becomes omnidirectional too and btw you guys understand the meaning of ethereal?It means it doesnt have a physical form and it doesnt have a conventional durability like normal shields it is intangible but still deflects every attack. So the term "durable" dont have a place here. Btw there is no shield in narutoverse known as absolute but blocks only one side thats stupid even enma transformed into a cage lol

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    • @Ghost

      I was hoping the thread would just die. It's been about two weeks, but here you come with your hyped theories once again.

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    • Rachin123 wrote: @Ghost

      Why did you have to come back? The thread was cooling down for about two weeks and here you come with your hyped theories once again.

      Are you butthurt because Im telling the truth?Youre the type of guy who would lnly believe something if youve seen it visually and not in theory like you'd say blackholes dont exist because theyre in theory

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    • @Hungry

      Butthurt. Not at all. You can't press my buttons. And there's your truth and the actual truth.

      Anyways, the Yata Mirror was never made to act like a shield, though it can be, its main priority was to negate elemental ninjutsu. I'm open minded to things, but considering that it has never shown to be omnidirectional, and even Orochimaru's snakes went past its the shield, I'm sticking with no it is not. You are the type to taking everything literally. And this is not real life. But, even so we have helpful information to believe there are blackholes, unlike believing that the Yata Mirror is omnidirectional. I'm just going to let you dolly on.

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    • Rachin123 wrote: @Hungry

      Butthurt. Not at all. You can't press my buttons. And there's your truth and the actual truth.

      Anyways, the Yata Mirror was never made to act like a shield, though it can be, its main priority was to negate elemental ninjutsu. I'm open minded to things, but considering that it has never shown to be omnidirectional, and even Orochimaru's snakes went past its the shield, I'm sticking with no it is not. You are the type to taking everything literally. And this is not real life. But, even so we have helpful information to believe there are blackholes, unlike believing that the Yata Mirror is omnidirectional. I'm just going to let you dolly on.

      You can see the shield expanding when the snakes tried going behind it! It expanded when sasuke threw paperbombs+DB statement= omnidirectional. Do you know what a property is? And yata can change its attribute and property to deflect every attack that means it can be malleable. And be assured the word zetsu used is "kanzeni muteki" instead of "saikyou" , the former is to be taken literally while the latter is to be taken non-literal. Lmao how can he be "completely invincible" if the shield only repels one side. No youre stubborn in your opinions. You cannot trust manga showings if it contradicts the statements kakashi pierced diamond body of kakuzu instantly but took ton of time to pierced shurado path and you take that as fact right?

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    • Hungry Ghost realm wrote: You can see the shield expanding when the snakes tried going behind it! It expanded when sasuke threw paperbombs+DB statement= omnidirectional. Do you know what a property is? And yata can change its attribute and property to deflect every attack that means it can be malleable. And be assured the word zetsu used is "kanzeni muteki" instead of "saikyou" , the former is to be taken literally while the latter is to be taken non-literal. Lmao how can he be "completely invincible" if the shield only repels one side. No youre stubborn in your opinions. You cannot trust manga showings if it contradicts the statements kakashi pierced diamond body of kakuzu instantly but took ton of time to pierced shurado path and you take that as fact right?

      Itachi wielding a shield that can nullify elemental ninjutsu and already possessing Susanoo, a highly durable and destructible entity, it is no wonder he said he was invincible.

      Pain's Asura Path is highly durable and unlike Kakuzu, didn't have the weakness to lightning. So it's not contradicting that Kakashi could pierce though Kakuzu's diamond hard skin.

      The only one stubborn is you.

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    • Lmao you just contradicted yourself loooool how is repelling elemental attacks=invincible? Zetsu who has seen madara and kaguya?Why should zetsu exclaim that if it aint anything special? And wait you need to read the definition of "invincible"+"completely invincible" by the way and paperbombs+kusanagi+sasuke=elemental attacks for you?Lmao tbh I thought you'd come up with a better explanation....so disappointed...now youre contradicting the what zetsu and DB says....that it can deflect everything. Please are you kidding me? That lightning in kakashi's hand is known for cutting through everything and raikiri is not raiton lmao it is a physical attack kakashi pierced through kakuzu bcuz it is capable of cutting through everything even diamond + the added benefit of lightning element shurado path is just low level steel as a simple naruto punch could crush it youre seriously spewing nonsensical things now

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    • And you are taking what was said literally once again. I also never the Yata Mirror wasn't anything special. Being able to negate elemental ninjutsu is quite special. Clearly Itachi isn't invincible, not even close. Good da to you sir.

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    • Even if itachis ym is omni directional,what of it?He cant keep susano all day nor can he kill/seal anyone who has decent amount of speed stamina and inteligence.

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    • Rachin123 wrote: And you are taking what was said literally once again. I also never the Yata Mirror wasn't anything special. Being able to negate elemental ninjutsu is quite special. Clearly Itachi isn't invincible, not even close. Good da to you sir.

      What did I take literally?Explain+no absolute defense is one-sided in naruto so gud dey ta ya sa Kakashi solos youre underrating itachi's strength and stamina its low but youre lowballing it way too far from reality dont you know that the itachi which fought sasuke shouldve been dead?obito said itachi took medicines just to keep himself alive....doesnt hold a candle to his prime as he used tsukuyomi twice+amaterasu in part 1 with no stamina loss, youre clearly underrating him way too much

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    • No stamina loss,thats why he deactivated his sharingan and he even said he needs rest xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD.

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    • Kakashisologod1 wrote: No stamina loss,thats why he deactivated his sharingan and he even said he needs rest xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD.

      He has lack of stamina and chakra yes but youre overly nitpicking his stamina is what Im trying to convey itachi said he needs rest because of low chakra because tsukiyomi is the most powerful genjutsu and amaterasu is the strongest physical attack using both is highly chakra draining for even a chakra beast.

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    • Rachin123 wrote: Itachi wielding a shield that can nullify elemental ninjutsu and already possessing Susanoo, a highly durable and destructible entity, it is no wonder he said he was invincible.

      Not to mention there wasn't realistically anyone alive that could beat him, other than maybe Obito and Nagato (which would heavily depend on circumstance). All highly powerful ninja that may have taken him out were dead.

      Hungry Ghost realm wrote: like you'd say blackholes dont exist because theyre in theory

      That's not how that works.

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    • Hungry Ghost realm wrote:

      Kakashisologod1 wrote: No stamina loss,thats why he deactivated his sharingan and he even said he needs rest xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD.

      He has lack of stamina and chakra yes but youre overly nitpicking his stamina is what Im trying to convey itachi said he needs rest because of low chakra because tsukiyomi is the most powerful genjutsu and amaterasu is the strongest physical attack using both is highly chakra draining for even a chakra beast.

      Yet you just said that he had no stamina loss.

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    • Hungry Ghost realm wrote: That lightning in kakashi's hand is known for cutting through everything and raikiri is not raiton lmao it is a physical attack kakashi pierced through kakuzu bcuz it is capable of cutting through everything even diamond + the added benefit of lightning element shurado path is just low level steel as a simple naruto punch could crush it youre seriously spewing nonsensical things now

      Hahahahahahaha

      This guy is a real piece of work. No point in trying to have a discussion with him. Notice Ghost tries to hype up Itachi when the discussion is about the YM only, attention seekers be seeking. YM overrated, it is not an absolute defense nor can it adapt to any attack as I have shown, just a shield.

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    • YM is not omni driectional.End of story,orochimarus snakes passed through it and attacked him from other sides.

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    • Orochimaru's snakes passed through it yes did it attack?no. The moment it attacks the mirror would sense it and repel them the morror expanded against multiple paperbombs + sasuke's sword so it expands 360 end of story Killman zetsu planned the war everything he knew kaguya would be ressurected so "nobody was alive who could defeat him wont work" + he didnt know itachi was dying of illness that he suspected itachi was injured heavily before the fight Databook statement>>>>showings even enma supposed to a staff turned into a cage+yata is called the unmatched magical weapon in narutoverse by databook so it being 360 is never farfetched youre simply finding weakness with it when it has none zetsu knows the sage tools + nunoboko no ken+ gudodama still called them invincible weapons and that should tell many things

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    • Hungry Ghost realm wrote: Orochimaru's snakes passed through it yes did it attack?no. The moment it attacks the mirror would sense it and repel them the morror expanded against multiple paperbombs + sasuke's sword so it expands 360 end of story... ..that should tell many things...

      It tells me that you are wrong and like to contradict yourself. So now Orochimaru's snakes are not attacking, lol, disregarding facts to make your argument seem right is sad. Feats > Anything else. YM mirror never expanded, don't make things up. If what you saying is true, you should have no problem giving evidence, i.e. chapter, page and even panel numbers.

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    • Hungry Ghost realm wrote: the morror expanded against multiple paperbombs + sasuke's sword so it expands 360 end of story

      That proves absolutely nothing. An explosion is a wave. Take light, for example. If I have a light source that I turn on right in front of you, it'll be blocked if you put up a fully opaque wall between you and the source. Same thing with the tags. Nothing about that would suggest that it needed to blocked in a 360 degree fashion. The sword attack from Sasuke was a desperate attack that happened separate from the explosive tags, which was also repelled from that same direction. There are no feats that support what you're saying, and, if databook entries trump all, then Neji was faster than Hiruzen by the end of part one(second databook).

      We both know that's not true. Canon feats are what you should be using to make a legitimate argument.

      Feats>all.

      Besides, nothing is invincible. Even if it changes form to block any attack - which I will admit is vague enough that I understand anyone interpreting it as a 360 degree shield - something like, say, an attack that connects before the shield can change might not give it a chance. It changing to negate attacks faster than lightning can reach you is functionally instant - meaning it can handle just about anything - but something like Senpō: Ranton Kōga, which is light speed, might be a different story. Who knows? I don't. And don't claim you do, because databooks need to have canon proof to back it.

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    • 321Z3R0 wrote: Besides, nothing is invincible.

      Context is important here. At the moment Zetsu proclaimed him invincible, many powerful people were dead and a new generation of powerful people had yet to take their place. Plus, i have serious doubts whether Zetsu would include Nagato or Obito in this comparison, since i don't see why they would.

      Sure, people like Hashirama or Madara or Hagoromo could take Itachi, but they were dead. Others like an edo Raikage or an edo Mu may have been able to defeat him, but there was no indication of the Kabuto alliance at that moment and no reason to believe many powerful people would be summoned from the afterlife.

      Similarly, future forms like Juubi Obito or Juubi Madara were so far out of the scope that comparisons to them would be useless.

      So in short, yes, at that moment Itachi was probably invincible.

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    • Itachi couldev had taken the strongest opponents back then(six paths of pain and pervy sage.So yeah he was invicible.

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    • ^I doubt that, but doesn't matter now.

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    • Minato > itachi

      hahaha

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    • Mcpowa wrote: Minato > itachi

      hahaha

      Minato was dead when Zetsu said that.

      Ninja Of War wrote: ^I doubt that, but doesn't matter now.

      Databook stats suggests Itachi and Jiraiya were comparable. According to Nagato he could've been defeated by Jiraiya. They were close enough that Zetsu's statement can be considered to be correct.

      Still, Itachi refused to use his sword and shield until he absolutely had no other choice, suggesting that there were massive or serious drawbacks that he chose to avoid, even with a considerable risk for defeat.

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    • i knw just wanted to tease a lille xd

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    • Point. Blank. Period. The Yata Mirror has only been said to change its characteristics to match a nature transformation, but it can't increase it size, otherwise it would have against Orochimaru's snakes who breached past it. What's worst though, is that it has no real feats.

      And just to educate those who may not know or who are in denial, the manga is the primary source, it came first. The databooks are only supplementary. The Databooks are only meant to support the manga (though most of the time and just contradicts it), not the other way around. Databooks do not take priority over the manga.

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    • Rachin123 wrote: Databooks do not take priority over the manga.

      Plus, the idea that it's completely invincible would only create more problems in the manga. If it's so powerful and invincible, why not always use it? he was taking massive risks with Kabuto, yet he never used Yata even as an Edo. The description in the Databook simply causes contradictions with the Manga (IE if it can change size and block anything, why did Itachi not block that flashbang Kabuto used?), therefore the Databook can not be correct.

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    • @Thekillman

      Well said. YM has major inconsistencies and zero feats. I'm with Rachin, Manga takes priority over everything.

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    • Ninja Of War wrote: @Thekillman

      Well said. YM has major inconsistencies and zero feats. I'm with Rachin, Manga takes priority over everything.

      not zero feats. It blocked explosive tags and a sword. It's important to repeat that. It blocked explosive tags and a sword. I have no doubt that it's a powerful shield, and that Itachi's relics are very powerful and useful, yet there very clearly are limits to what it can do, and limits to how easily it is used.

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    • @Thekillman

      Minor feats like that do not help it's case.

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    • @Rachin123

      Truth.

      @TheKillman

      Straightforward paper bombs and pointless charging with a sword are not considered feats. Any shinobi could deal with that. I don't see what is so important about that instance.

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    • Sword that cut TTJ madara.

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    • Kakashisologod1 wrote: Sword that cut TTJ madara.

      A normal kunai can cut TTJ Madara. He just can easily regenerate from small wounds like that to the point that they become insignificant. Just because Madara became TTJ doesn't mean his skin gained Susanoo-level resistance.

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    • Because he didnt get pierced by Guys sekizo(and you know how much dmg it did to the ground).

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    • Kakashisologod1 wrote: Sword that cut TTJ madara.

      Not a feat in any way. Please explain how this helps the YM.

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    • Kakashisologod1 wrote: Because he didnt get pierced by Guys sekizo(and you know how much dmg it did to the ground).

      1) Sekizo doesn't function the same way a sword does. I have no idea where you got that.

      2) Madara received severe injuries from that move and deduced that if he were to get hit 5-6 times he would die.

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    • Rachin123 wrote: @Thekillman

      Minor feats like that do not help it's case.

      I'm sorry if i was too vague, but that was exactly my point. The one time Itachi used it was when he had nothing left to lose, not even his life. Against Kabuto and Nagato he had a realistic chance to lose yet didn't bother. Against Nagato, he only used Totsuka when the hit was guaranteed. As an Edo, he didn't even have Yata up all the time.

      Adding that it's main feat is blocking explosions and a sword, and it's clear that it's neither as powerful as the Databooks suggest, nor as easily accessible as some people make it out to be.

      My point for the Totsuka (which has a similar reputation) is similarly that it was only used against someone who didn't see the blow coming and someone who didn't bother dodging. Ergo, based upon how Itachi used it, these weapons cannot possibly be as strong as some people imply them to be.

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    • Lmfao seems like you guys know nothing of the manga + databook. Neji faster than hiruzen is true bcuz enma stated hirizen's old age made him despicably slower than his prime + neji is the genius among hyuuga stronger than all other hyuugas tied with maybe the leader + yata can repel ethereal attacks zetsu did state it can repel everything didnt he + read the meaning of "attack" and what that snake did was not an attack give up ypure pressing on that even though you know its not true that snake coiled around susanoo did it bite?No it just tied susano'O now try debunking that + it repelled steel + most powerful sword in narutoverse so its not restricted to just elemental attacks and please use common sense how can susanoo become invincible if it repels only elemental + one side?Isnt that a butthurt excuse? The databook says "Perfect attack and perfect defense bcuz of Spirit ethereal weapons itachi's susano'O holds in its hand" now how about dear sweethearts learn the meaning of "perfect" and if you didnt know yata is non-physical so it can become any shape it wants are are you too uneducated not knowing the meaning of "non-physical"? In naruto absolute defense means covering from all sides the ex:- susanoo gaara sand kaiten etc try proving otherwise and even gudodama can cover all sides even though its physical so why not yata ?Are you so reaching that you wanna downplay it even though every fact says your shitty ideology is debunked?If you cant counter any of the above dont reply please cant believe people are so stubborn and rachin123 are you that idiotic because repelling sword is not an elemental repulsion and killman limits?Lmao please educate that self of yours "ethereal "means it has no limits only wordly things have limits stubborn people in this community goddamn

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    • Mr. Grave wrote:

      Kakashisologod1 wrote: Because he didnt get pierced by Guys sekizo(and you know how much dmg it did to the ground).

      1) Sekizo doesn't function the same way a sword does. I have no idea where you got that.

      2) Madara received severe injuries from that move and deduced that if he were to get hit 5-6 times he would die.

      If it can pierce 50 m in to the ground and madara did not get his body cut in half like from night guy.He said he should AVOID getting punched as well,not that he would die(although it suggests that he would get seriously hurt.

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    • I don't why we are I still entertaining @Ghost when he clearly doesn't know what he's talking about it. He's trying to say Neji can beat Hiruzen. He says the databook said the Yata Mirror was omnidirectional, but didn't adapt to block Orochimaru's snakes. It doesn't matter if the snakes only coiled around Susanoo. He takes the Yata Mirror blocking a small sword and few explosive bombs, as proof that it's invincible. What would be the point in making something so powerful and no display. Considering he's going off databook hype, it's no wonder he's lost. Oh well, I guess you can't help everyone.

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    • When did I say neji can beat hiruzen?Are you blind ?I said it is true neji is faster than hiruzen and stronger than other hyuugas learn how to read + databook are canon youre just sore that youre so wrong about yata and yoire too small-minded to accept it

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    • @Ghost

      Oh okay my bad. But, what does Neji and Hiruzen have to do with the Yata Mirror? If I'm sore, than I guess everyone else here as well, because none of us believe what you are saying. The Databooks are semi-canon, and do not take precedence over the manga, period. The Databooks need the manga. Just because the Databooks says something and manga shows that it is not true, doesn't mean that Kishi downplayed anything, if anything it means he hyped it. Nothing from manga indicates that the Yata Mirror is omnidirectional, and even for that matter able to adapt its characteristics to negate ninjutsu, despite it having the ample of opportunity to display it.

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    • Rachin123 give me the interview where kishimoto says databook are semi-canon + raikiri cut through diamond so DB is not necessarily empty hype is it?why should the director be partial to other powers and jutsus?Explain

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    • @Ghost

      Give me the interview of where he said they were canon. Because I bet for a fact those words did not come out of his mouth. Databooks are semi-canon compared to the manga. Never has it been said the Databooks are on the same level as the manga. How can it be when it's only suppose to support the manga. The manga is the primary source. And how is the Lightning Cutter cutting through an earth-based product has anything to with hype? I don't know why I even bother trying to explain myself to you. Either you are trolling, in denial, being bias, or all of the above. Bye now ;)

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    • Rachin123 wrote: @Ghost

      Give me the interview of where he said they were canon. Because I bet for a fact those words did not come out of his mouth. Databooks are semi-canon compared to the manga. Never has it been said the Databooks are on the same level as the manga. How can it be when it's only suppose to support the manga. The manga is the primary source. And how is the Lightning Cutter cutting through an earth-based product has anything to with hype? I don't know why I even bother trying to explain myself to you. Either you are trolling, in denial, being bias, or all of the above. Bye now ;)

      Nice now you dont even know why Im mentioning raikiri as an EX. Raikiri was stated to "cut through everything" and it cut through diamond of kakuzu and "earth based product" please youre so ignorant kakuzu is stated to have mastered every element perfectly and diamond skin is the pinnacle of earth element and you dont have any proof db is semi-canon so why are you doubting it is?I dont understand your one-sided partial logic lmao never gave an answer to my question too youre trolling or in denial or biased Im sure

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    • @Ghost

      I hope you enjoy the block that you will be receiving for your nasty behavior on multiple threads.

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    • Youre the one with nasty behaviour LOOOOL + you had enough of your skepticism huh?You dont even know the difference between attack and suppression Nice

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    • Hungry Ghost realm wrote: Youre the one with nasty behaviour LOOOOL + you had enough of your skepticism huh?You dont even know the difference between attack and suppression Nice

      Manga>databooks.Fact.

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    • Kakashisologod1 wrote: Manga>databooks.Fact.

      To elaborate, the Databooks are known to have contradictions to the Manga. Plus, some very questionable data like the stats. Considering the statements of the Databook regarding Yata and it's actual behavior in the Manga, it is clear the Databook is exaggerating.

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    • Ghost is a special kind of dumb, let's move on. If he isn't aware of type advantages, we'll leave him/her to figure it out. When Ghost can show the Raikiri cutting through something "indestructible" that isn't earth-based, we'll believe. Why? Because that'll be a proper feat to back it.

      ANYWAY, we are moving on with the assumption that data books are useful, but the Manga has the final word, yes?

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    • Data Books are useful, so long as they don't contridict the Manga (which takes priority over the data books)

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    • Yes, that's true. Because a lot of the data in the databooks are provided by Studio Pierrot and most are added by Shueisha. Contradictory ones like Inari's age. He is older in the manga, whereas the databook makes him two years younger, yet this wiki uses the databook information and not the original content as the source.

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    • The Exact Databook Entry for Totsuka Blade and Yata Mirror:
      "The Susanoo boasts an absolutely perfect attack and Defense because of the Spirit Weapon it wields in both hands: the 10 handed Sword that can cut down any enemy in its right and the yata mirror shield that can repel any attack In the face of god's powers, all attacks form whether from Material or Astral body, Ninjutsu or Physical lose their meaning."
      Now take this however you may.....
      Edit: In the other Yata Mirror Entry:"a spirit weapon without physical form with power to change every one of its properties allowing it to alter attributes in accordance with the attributes of attack, rendering the attack ineffective". So I would say @Hungry Ghost realm is right in his claims......

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    • MASSIVE! NLF!

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    • LordGriffin1000 wrote: MASSIVE! NLF!

      yeah buddy whatever.....

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    • You actually it can believe that cut down anyone and Block any attack!? Just because the author wrote it... Your insane. Give me feats of the mirror blocking Planet and Galaxy Busting Attacks, show me the blade killing Planet to Multiverse level entities...

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    • Namikazenaruto9 wrote: Edit: In the other Yata Mirror Entry:"a spirit weapon without physical form with power to change every one of its properties allowing it to alter attributes in accordance with the attributes of attack, rendering the attack ineffective". So I would say @Hungry Ghost realm is right in his claims......

      Nobody denied what the Databook said, but what we denied was it being as powerful as it was cuz it had no meaningful feats, which could have been shown on many occasions. @Ghost also said that the databook said that the Yata Mirror was omnidirectional, but clearly Orochimaru proved that not to be true.

      Manga>Databook hype

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    • I agree with LordGriffin1000, kind of.

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    • I mean yes the writer could write something and we could believe it but if nothing backs up the claim (especially one this big) you can't just agree and say it can.

      I apologise for the insane comment.

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    • I understand what you are saying. That makes sense too, as he would often forget of the other concepts he had created. He always seems to create loopholes and contradictions in some of his works.

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    • Rachin123 wrote: Nobody denied what the Databook said, but what we denied was it being as powerful as it was cuz it had no meaningful feats, which could have been shown on many occasions. @Ghost also said that the databook said that the Yata Mirror was omnidirectional, but clearly Orochimaru proved that not to be true. Manga>Databook hype

      Orochimaru's attacks didn't bypass the Susanoo.(I don't remember YM scene so probably you are right)
      yeah I know. But don't you think burden of proof is on author? Shouldn't he be the one to show the limits of YM? Or its possible the sickness were backlash of the powerful ability, something which he could have explored in main series?
      I am pretty sure we could give YM and totsuka blade similar position as Kotoamatsukami(which again has similar dubious reputation).

      LordGriffin1000 wrote: You actually it can believe that cut down anyone and Block any attack!? Just because the author wrote it... Your insane. Give me feats of it blocking Planet and Galaxy Busting Attacks, show me it killing Planet to Multiverse level entities...

      Buddy you started calling me names even though I just stated facts and made logical conclusion.^I really hate this type....
      Those feats you are claiming also are written by author. And if someone(*cough Itachi) didn't live long enough to show them, not my fault.

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    • This is going out of hand.

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    • I apologise but I guess you only see what you want.

      The author can say whatever he wants but if nothing backs up his claim (especially one this big) it shouldn't be taken. Also that "oh he never had time" argument is really weak as any person could use that argument to boost their character.

      It is NLF to believe that he could do that with the blade and mirror peirod.

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    • Very true. His claims aren't strong, even if it is his series.

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    • LordGriffin1000 wrote: I apologise but I guess you only see what you want.

      The author can say whatever he wants but if nothing backs up his claim (especially one this big) it shouldn't be taken. Also that "oh he never had time" argument is really weak as any person could use that argument to boost their character.

      It is NLF to believe that he could do that with the blade and mirror peirod.

      your point only stands if in future Author actually choses to show something superior. Till than we accept the feat as its given. I wouldn't worry too much since I too thought YM isn't Omni directional and all. Its quite possible he is talking about nature transformation.
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    • LordGriffin1000 wrote: I mean yes the writer could write something and we could believe it but if nothing backs up the claim (especially one this big) you can't just agree and say it can.

      The databook entries are likely composed from Author's notes from Kishimoto. These notes are apparently not fact checked very toughly (again: plenty of contradictions). Sure, it's possible Kishimoto intended to reveal more of the Yata Mirror and Totsuka blade, and that these abilities were at some point really planned, but it seems to be a largely abandoned arc. And quite frankly i don't think it's very surprising.

      Namikazenaruto9 wrote: Its quite possible he is talking about nature transformation.

      We don't know. But we do know that Itachi did not manifest Yata to block Kabuto's flashbang, even though it put them in massive danger. Even as an Edo Tensei, whatever cost is associated with Yata isn't worth paying. Alternatively, we've misunderstood those words and it simply cannot block those light and sound waves, and so the whole "change it's properties" part isn't what we think it is.

      For instance, maybe the Yata can only change properties to a limited degree (e.g. it can be made to block sound but not light or vice versa). Perhaps changing properties has a good dose of realism added to it (becoming highly sound dampening makes it far more brittle and susceptible to physical attacks). perhaps it costs too much chakra to be worth it, or it taxes his eyes to such an extent that even an Edo form can't protect him.

      Either way, even though we don't understand the specifics of the Mirror, it's evident that it has both a high cost and cannot be as invincible as it's made out to be, simply because of how Edo itachi used it.

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    • Namikazenaruto9 wrote: Orochimaru's attacks didn't bypass the Susanoo.(I don't remember YM scene so probably you are right)
      yeah I know. But don't you think burden of proof is on author? Shouldn't he be the one to show the limits of YM? Or its possible the sickness were backlash of the powerful ability, something which he could have explored in main series?
      I am pretty sure we could give YM and totsuka blade similar position as Kotoamatsukami(which again has similar dubious reputation).

      That doesn't matter. It shouldn't have bypassed the shield based on its hyped statement.

      The burden of proof is on the author. But, believing in a statement that didn't live up to its hype is just as much of a burden because your basically jumping the gun when there was plenty of opportunities for it to be used. At least the Koto has actually displayed high feats like breaking Itachi from Kabuto's control. Has been said to be used to control Yagura in the manga, not just the Databook.

      Namikazenaruto9 wrote: And if someone(*cough Itachi) didn't live long enough to show them, not my fault.

      The problem is, he had plenty of time to use that almighty powerful Yata Mirror in the war, like against Kabuto. We could have let it slide against Sasuke, but there is no excuse for him not using it against Kabuto.

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    • Thekillman wrote: We don't know. But we do know that Itachi did not manifest Yata to block Kabuto's flashbang, even though it put them in massive danger. Even as an Edo Tensei, whatever cost is associated with Yata isn't worth paying. Alternatively, we've misunderstood those words and it simply cannot block those light and sound waves, and so the whole "change it's properties" part isn't what we think it is.

      For instance, maybe the Yata can only change properties to a limited degree (e.g. it can be made to block sound but not light or vice versa). Perhaps changing properties has a good dose of realism added to it (becoming highly sound dampening makes it far more brittle and susceptible to physical attacks). perhaps it costs too much chakra to be worth it, or it taxes his eyes to such an extent that even an Edo form can't protect him.

      Either way, even though we don't understand the specifics of the Mirror, it's evident that it has both a high cost and cannot be as invincible as it's made out to be, simply because of how Edo itachi used it.

      Well Itachi was able to forsee the move. Kabuto tried to go after sasuke immediately also you are forgetting the Susanoo wasn't on in both Itachi and sasuke's case. And even before he could use that Kabuto made the move to capture Sasuke So I would rather say it wasn't a situation where he could use the mirror especially considering Kabuto ambushed them. And the attack affected Itachi long before he could use his trump cards.
      I do see where the drawback stuff might actually be going to, It does make sense ...

      Rachin123 wrote: That doesn't matter. It shouldn't have bypassed the shield based on its hyped statement.

      You do realize that by saying Yata mirror not having Physical form the author is actually bypassing all that. The claim about shield being held in front of susanoo is YM is busted. I could very well claim the whole Susanoo was encompassed with YM and none of Orochimaru's snakes bypassed that.

      Rachin123 wrote: At least the Koto has actually displayed high feats like breaking Itachi from Kabuto's control. Has been said to be used to control Yagura in the manga, not just the Databook.

      Wasn't that a conjecture put forward by Ao? Just to make Danzo look suspicious? Because only obito-madara controlled him..

      Rachin123 wrote: The problem is, he had plenty of time to use that almighty powerful Yata Mirror in the war, like against Kabuto. We could have let it slide against Sasuke, but there is no excuse for him not using it against Kabuto.

      I would beg to differ since in theory Itachi was setting up a trap. He was creating Visual-Sensory Feedbacks for Kabuto to trap him in Izanami. Putting a Giant Ass Shield doesn't help in sharing those sensory feedbacks with the opponent.

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    • @Namikaze

      Oh so now you're saying that Itachi could think to do everything else but use the shield. Come on now. Itachi could have used the Yata Mirror to block against Kabuto's Sage Art: White Rage Technique, but didn't. Because it wouldn't have helped, because the Yata Mirror is hyped. It's not like he had to worry about chakra, as it replenished. I really think that you would believe this hype, but I guess I was wrong.

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    • Rachin123 wrote: @Namikaze

      Oh so now you're saying that Itachi could think to do everything stuff but use the shield. Oh please. Itachi could have used the Yata Mirror to block against Kabuto's Sage Art: White Rage Technique, but didn't. I really didn't think you fall to level of @Ghost, but oh well.

      But the target of the technique was Sasuke not Itachi, so I don't get why you are talking about Itachi blocking the tech. Itachi ran as fast as he could towards Sasuke and the Tech hit the duo before Itachi could do anything.
      And I am not falling into any level, all I am saying is that scenario isn't the one with which you could diss off yata mirror. Itachi never got chance off putting up the mirror, It was an ambush...

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    • @Namikaze

      It was no ambush. At the moment when the technique activated Itachi was already by Sasuke's side. He could have used the shield then. Stop making excuses.

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    • Rachin123 wrote: @Namikaze

      It was no ambush. At the moment when the technique activated Itachi was already by Sasuke's side. He could have used the shield then. Stop making excuses.

      Yes like I said Itachi barely reached Sasuke before the Tech got released. And do remember that Itachi didn't activate Susanoo at that time. So I don't get how Itachi could use mirror?

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    • @Namikaze

      Why didn't he activate Susanoo to use the shield then?

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    • Rachin123 wrote: @Namikaze

      Why didn't he activate Susanoo to use the shield then?

      Didn't he do it after Kabuto went to snatch Sasuke? Before that wasn't he and Sasuke already in technique disoriented with pain in Ears and Light?
      All I m simply saying is that this event can't be used for dissing the mirror since he doesn't have enough time to even put Susanoo.

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    • @Namikaze

      Yet he could sense Kabuto coming and even created a Susanoo arm to protect Sasuke. He wasn't in that much pain to be able to still manage as he did. Nobody is just using this event. We are saying, why make a statement that won't live up to its hype. The circumstances could have been changed to show this magnificent mirror if the case was the situation never called for it.

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    • Rachin123 wrote: @Namikaze

      Yet he could sense Kabuto coming and even created a Susanoo arm to protect Sasuke. He wasn't in that much pain to be able to still manage as he did. Nobody is just using this event. We are saying, why make a statement that won't live up to its hype. The circumstances could have been changed to show this magnificent mirror if the case was the situation never called for it.

      Itachi never sensed Kabuto.
      Kabuto infact asks him post protecting Sasuke that can Itachi sense him. The Exact reply Itachi gives is that he figured Kabuto a cautious man would go after the thing he wanted the most and hence he instinctively protected Sasuke...
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    • @Namikaze

      He "sensed" that Kabuto would try to go for Sasuke. Sense can be interpreted differently. I meant chakra sensed, but it doesn't change the fact that he could have used Susanoo before Kabuto even made his way towards Sasuke. You can grasp at straws cuz all the Yata Mirror is, is hype. Has no receipts.

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    • If he couldn't sense him, see him or hear him how did he know when to block Sasuke?... It's not like he block Sasuke as soon as the jutsu was activated, Kabuto was able to run up and get to Sasuke and right before he got him, Itachi blocked.

      This means 2 things...

      1. Itachi gambled and geussed when Kabuto would reach Sasuke

      2. Itachi could sense him

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    • Rachin123 wrote: @Namikaze He "sensed" that Kabuto would try to go for Sasuke. Sense can be interpreted differently. I meant chakra sensed, but it doesn't change the fact that he could have used Susanoo before Kabuto even made his way towards Sasuke. You can grasp at straws cuz all the Yata Mirror is, is hype. Has no receipts.

      But wasn't Susanoo enough for that scenario? I mean Kabuto did had him in the tech: white raging thing, to the point both Itachi and Sasuke couldn't do anything(Sasuke's Susanoo by the way got deactivate during this scenario) but he did manage to use Susanoo to put sasuke out of harm's way. I just don't see the need for using the mirror and against what..
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    • He used Susanoo only to protect Sasuke while the technique was activated. Why not use Susanoo and in turn the shield to protect him and himself before Kabuto even reached him.

      On a side note, Sasuke Susanoo did deactivate, but it put him in that much pain, but Itachi didn't seem to be in such pain. He could still pull off using Susanoo and still concentrate while Sasuke could not.

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    • Two minutes please, I would better rewatch that Fight.
      Edit: I believe following happened in that fight:
      1)Kabuto uses White Raging thing, During this time itachi barely reaches Sasuke after running.
      2) Neither of them is capable of maintaining Susanoo something Which Sasuke exclaims out loud.
      3)Kabuto contemplates his target and chooses Sasuke.
      4)Itachi protects Sasuke with Susanoo, claiming he was able to figure out Kabuto's intended target, Despite being afflicted with pain. It's probably because he is Edo which is why he has better pain toleration.
      What I Don't understand is which scenario are you talking about putting the mirror? Because if this is about protecting Sasuke from Kabuto during his ambush ,Susanoo in that scenario was more than enough....

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    • @Namikaze

      No, it was about protecting Sasuke and himself included, not necessarily by Kabuto, but from the White Rage Technique. I thought I explained that to you like twice already. The fact of the matter is, Itachi could tolerate the pain more, and was still able to concentrate. Why not full form Susanoo to negate the attack after it activated. And it was no ambush for the last time.

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    • @Rachin123
      That scene Itachi doesn't even has Susanoo put up? he barely reached their and is already in the technique. Itachi perhaps did show better pain tolerance but you are forgetting that neither could form the Susanoo while technique was in Effect--Sasuke clearly says that. So if Itachi can't even form the Susanoo how is he going to use the mirror?

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    • But, Itachi did form Susanoo, as he did when Kabuto went after Sasuke. The technique was still activated. Sooo...

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    • Rachin123 wrote: But, Itachi did form Susanoo, as he did when Kabuto went after Sasuke. The technique was still activated. Sooo...

      He formed Susanoo after the Technique ended. Nothing was their before that.(And if you are referring to orange aura, Sasuke too had purple aura after his Susanoo got disintegrated).

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    • No he did not form Susanoo after the technique, only as it was about to end. By the time Kabuto reached Sasuke, it ended. You could clearly still see the brightness covering the room.

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    • Rachin123 wrote: No he did not form Susanoo after the technique, only as it was about to end. By the time Kabuto reached Sasuke, it ended.

      I could easily argue that Technique's effect on Edo towards the end would have Weakened enough to allow him to make that Susanoo. But you are forgetting something here, In this scenario basic Susanoo was enough. Kabuto tried to steal sasuke. And his techs(short range) aren't strong enough to break that arm ...

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    • Right...Anyway my main point was Kishi made a character with such a powerful tool that can block everything, but its best feats is blocking a small sword and small explosions. Yea, I'm going to take feats over hype and uncertainty.

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    • ^Second that.

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    • Rachin123 wrote: Right...Anyway my main point was Kishi made a character with such a powerful tool that can block everything, but its best feats is blocking a small sword and small explosions. Yea, I'm going to take feats over hype and uncertainty.

      I don't mind this. Afterall canonically Feats are what matter. Since it hasn't been shown , I wouldn't go around saying it would block everything...(or maybe some character actually affirming the claim)
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    • If Yata is invincible, why did Itachi not start Susanoo (since as an Edo, it has no drawbacks anymore) and use Yata from the start to block anything Kabuto could possibly throw at him? If it's so invincible there's no risk for Itachi.

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    • Thekillman wrote: If Yata is invincible, why did Itachi not start Susanoo (since as an Edo, it has no drawbacks anymore) and use Yata from the start to block anything Kabuto could possibly throw at him? If it's so invincible there's no risk for Itachi.

      Dude I am pretty sure I covered every aspect.
      He barely reached Sasuke the first time and than he was hit by the Raging Technique within which he couldn't even form susanoo and after that he protected Sasuke with Susanoo arm. After that he was setting up Visual-Sensory Feedback for the Izanami loop and Giant-Ass Shield like YM wouldn't help in sharing those Sensory Feedback with the enemy..

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    • Namikazenaruto9 wrote: Dude I am pretty sure I covered every aspect.
      He barely reached Sasuke the first time and than he was hit by the Raging Technique within which he couldn't even form susanoo and after that he protected Sasuke with Susanoo arm. After that he was setting up Visual-Sensory Feedback for the Izanami loop and Giant-Ass Shield like YM wouldn't help in sharing those Sensory Feedback with the enemy..

      If he had started Susanoo immediately, he wouldn't have been hit by that raging technique. There's literally no reason for Edo Itachi to not use the Databook's idea of the Yata mirror.

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    • Thekillman wrote:

      If he had started Susanoo immediately, he wouldn't have been hit by that raging technique. There's literally no reason for Edo Itachi to not use the Databook's idea of the Yata mirror.

      What about mobility? Because I Never saw anyone running around with Armored Susanoo now did we? And Suppose he had used the Susanoo, how would he had reached their in time to save sasuke?

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    • @Namikaze

      Are you really trying insinuate that Susanoo has a weight that affects the user?

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    • Rachin123 wrote: @Namikaze

      Are you really trying insinuate that Susanoo has a weight that affects the user?

      Bulky issues, more like rigidity. Afterall you can't expect it to be as agile as an actual Ninja. Size increase would cause Mobility issues...

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    • @Namikaze

      That is pure speculation unless you have receipts to back up your argument. The Susanoo surrounds the user. The user doesn't wear it like regular armor so why are you assuming that by increasing its size it decreases the user's mobility.

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    • Rachin123 wrote: @Namikaze

      That is pure speculation unless you have receipts to back up your argument. The Susanoo surrounds the user. The user doesn't wear it like regular armor so why are you assuming that by increasing its size it decreases the user's mobility.

      Well it isn't much of speculation if you consider that Sasuke showed no mobility with armored Susanoo despite being in danger(be it Danzo, or against 5 kages) a few couple of times or any other character be it Madara or Itachi ever showed that mobility.
      Even if I agree that he could have that is also very speculative I mean Honestly How do you think Itachi would look like running with that armored Susanoo? I mean Afterall I can't give reason for some particular scenario as to why Itachi didn't use Susanoo or something else? Afterall he could have delayed the Technique by releasing Amaterasu too?
      It's also possible that Reaching armored Stage takes crucial seconds which would have prevented him from reaching Sasuke in time and so instinctively Itachi chose to run and protect Sasuke, Afterall whether he reaches their and forms Susanoo or Forms Susanoo and reaches their should be same according to your logic?

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    • @Namikaze

      It is speculation. You're basically saying that just because nobody showed mobility with armored Susanoo, despite the situation not calling for the user to do so, means they are slowed down. And it's not about how Itachi would look running with armored Susanoo. Fact is, you have no proof. Nothing was ever stated in the manga or even in the databooks. They were never shown running or such because they never needed to.

      P.S. I'm not saying Itachi should have went armored Susanoo as he was running towards Sasuke's side. I'm just saying that Susanoo does affect the user with weight, in a turn, their speed.

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    • @Rachin123
      You didn't read Last part did you?
      Whether he form Susanoo and goes after Sasuke or Reaches Sasuke and forms Susanoo both the time according to your Logic(if their is no mobility problem) should be the same. So I don't see the point of your argument?

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    • @Namikaze

      You re-edited your post so I only seen your new input after I already typed in mine. Now you read my re-edited post.

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    • Okay Let me put it this way.
      Let's say for arguments sake that Mobility is same in both the case(i.e. Whether Itachi runs with Susanoo or without it, the mobility remains same) than time to form Susanoo and reach Sasuke Should be same as time taken to run and reach Sasuke and than Form Susanoo.
      And Itachi Didn't get that chance to form Susanoo. So......

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    • @Namikaze

      But, I never said Itachi should have had enough time to form armored Susanoo by the time he reached Sasuke. I just said it's not about me believing he could have or not. It's about you making it seem like mobility decreases the more layers of Susanoo form.

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    • @Rachin123
      Okay that part I did speculate based on Itachi's chosen course. But As I said it doesn't make difference to the actual fight.

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    • Namikazenaruto9 wrote: And Itachi Didn't get that chance to form Susanoo. So......

      They casually walked in on Kabuto and talked before starting the fight. Again, if Yata is so invincible, why doesn't Itachi have it up from the start, protecting Sasuke from any potential harm that can conceivably be done? It can change size and shape apparently, so he could always size it right, and it can stop anything, so there's no risk it's weakness is figured out since it has apparently none.

      But that's not what we see. Even in Edo Tensei Itachi didn't use it, not against Nagato nor against Kabuto. Yet, Chibaku Tensei was practically a death sentence to Naruto last time, and Itachi didn't bother with the Yata Mirror there. He didn't bother with Yata to protect Bee and Naruto. He didn't bother with Yata against Kabuto's flashbang, nor against ANY of his other techniques, even though the flashbang left them dazed and vulnerable, and so did the Chibaku tensei.

      It simply cannot be what the Databook describes, because else Itachi would've used it all the time against everything with no downsides.

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    • Thekillman wrote: They casually walked in on Kabuto and talked before starting the fight. Again, if Yata is so invincible, why doesn't Itachi have it up from the start, protecting Sasuke from any potential harm that can conceivably be done? It can change size and shape apparently, so he could always size it right, and it can stop anything, so there's no risk it's weakness is figured out since it has apparently none.

      I have already busted this argument if you had taken care and read.

      Whether Itachi had kept the mirror or not the outcome would have been the same. Even if I agree with you and say that mobility while the user of Susanoo is the same(despite him exerting his chakra to keep it on does seems long shot) Even than He will reach at same pace and protect Sasuke.
      IT is Afterall a Ultimate-shield and not an ultimate human fighting machine, it cannot do the fighting for you but it would protect you any sort of attack. Even for argument sake we were to consider the fact that Itachi starts fight with the mirror. IT won't be much of help simply because even if he ends up killing Kabuto his primary objective isn't achieved which is to stop Edo tensei and thereby stop the WAR.
      And to stop Kabuto he needs to convince him as its clear Kabuto isn't going to stop even at the face of death and on top of that it's clear Kabuto has well augumented skills particularly the Will-power as seen from his transformation in just few months. He is much stronger than even Orochimaru and was even able to defy and Force the other madara something which you are overlooking. The best way out of this situation was convince Kabuto that his ideals were wrong and make him remember his ground reality something which was achieved during the course of fight.

      Thekillman wrote:

      But that's not what we see. Even in Edo Tensei Itachi didn't use it, not against Nagato nor against Kabuto. Yet, Chibaku Tensei was practically a death sentence to Naruto last time, and Itachi didn't bother with the Yata Mirror there. He didn't bother with Yata to protect Bee and Naruto. He didn't bother with Yata against Kabuto's flashbang, nor against ANY of his other techniques, even though the flashbang left them dazed and vulnerable, and so did the Chibaku tensei.

      First of all Nagato caught all the other with surprise since he attacked them invisible(courtesy-Chamelon) So I don't see how could Itachi have protected the first time around either
      After that again I don't see the point in using against Nagato. Situation against Nagato was pretty dire, He was gonna kill both Naruto and Bee, Had Itachi gone for all Guns without taking out his eyes Nagato would have just probabaly re-summoned some more paths while he finished killing both Jinchuriki.
      Using Yata Mirror against Chibaku tensei was probably a stalemate since Nagato was Edo tensei he wouldn't tire out and YM would probably block the attack..
      And I have covered Kabuto's flash-bang several times...

      Thekillman wrote: It simply cannot be what the Databook describes, because else Itachi would've used it all the time against everything with no downsides.

      Well downsides are pretty apparent to me, Itachi using Shield at best gave him stalemates something which could probably be used for stalling and not winning Fights.
      Also the shield though protects user from harms but not from secondary effects like immobilization, View blocking etc. Such tactics could still be used to get the user.
      On top of it Itachi needs the Susanoo something which is known to take enormous amount of his stamina. A person could probably kill him before he activates Susanoo...

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    • Namikazenaruto9 wrote: Well downsides are pretty apparent to me, Itachi using Shield at best gave him stalemates something which could probably be used for stalling and not winning Fights.
      On top of it Itachi needs the Susanoo something which is known to take enormous amount of his stamina. A person could probably kill him before he activates Susanoo...

      But, who said all Itachi would do is defend against attacks. He has a sword too, and Susanoo itself as a weapon.

      Except Itachi was an Edo. His stamina would just replenish.

      Like who could kill Itachi before he could activate Susanoo in the very small time frame it would take for it come up? None of the people he faced were fast enough to outpace his activation of Susanoo.

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    • Rachin123 wrote:

      But, who said all Itachi would do is defend against attacks. He has a sword too, and Susanoo itself as a weapon.

      Except Itachi was an Edo. His stamina would just replenish.

      Like who could kill Itachi before he could activate Susanoo in the very small time frame it would take for it come up? None of the people he faced were fast enough to outpace his activation of Susanoo.

      Sword has length problem.
      As an Edo Itachi is pretty much invincible, Than how did he get hit by Kotoamatsukami? What would have happened if Instead Nagato had caught Itachi instead of Naruto in his soul sucking jutsu?
      By Susanoo Activation, I don't mean time taken to actually activate it but him using it as an trump card. He uses it at last when nothing usually works.

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    • Length isn't a problem with a sword that big. And Itachi could easily move to reach his target if need be. He could also use other attacks, but only bring up the shield to negate any attack. And why are you bringing up Nagato using the soul suction technique on Itachi? Itachi uses the Susanoo as a last resort due to its chakra consuming nature, but as an Edo, Itachi didn't have worry about that. The war was the perfect time to show us this marvelous weapon that can block any attack. But, no, we get crap shit of it. Oh well, hype will be hype. Feats will be feats. It doesn't have high feats. He's better off using Susanoo as he did anyway.

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    • Rachin123 wrote: Length isn't a problem with a sword that big. And Itachi could easily move to reach his target if need be. He could also use other attacks, but only bring up the shield to negate any attack. And why are you bringing up Nagato using the soul suction technique on Itachi? Itachi uses the Susanoo as a last resort due to its chakra consuming nature, but as an Edo, Itachi didn't have worry about that. The war was the perfect time to show us this marvelous weapon that can block any attack. But, no, we get crap shit of it. Oh well, hype will be hype. Feats will be feats. It doesn't have high feats. He's better off using Susanoo as he did anyway.

      Well compared to YM's adaptability the sword's length doesn't seem impressive. a Long range fighter could probably escape itachi.
      Well considering the number of What ifs you-all have given throughout the debate, Consider the scenario I gave. What happens than; Afterall kabuto could have easily gone after Itachi instead.
      True Feats will be feats, but that doesn't mean you could diss the weapon around just because it wasn't used. Afterall a sword and needle have different purpose...

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    • @Namikaze

      I'm not considering the scenario about Nagato because it's irrelevant to what I was saying. And lets say Kabuto did go after Itachi instead, he would form Susanoo, considering he wouldn't be able to do much else with the light blinding him and sound hurting him.

      I'm not dissing the Yata Mirror. However, you shouldn't blindly following what the Databook says without the manga giving some insight on it. Especially considering how contradicting the Databooks have continued to be. As I said, if the weapon was that powerful, why is its best feats blocking a small sword and a few small explosions. Its entry in the Databook is hype at its finest with no receipts.

      Itachi having the Yata Mirror was wasted potential. You can blame circumstance, I blame Kishi's lack of proof.

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    • Rachin123 wrote: @Namikaze I'm not considering the scenario about Nagato because it's irrelevant to what I was saying. And lets say Kabuto did go after Itachi instead, he would form Susanoo, considering he wouldn't be able to do much else with the light blinding him and sound hurting him. I'm not dissing the Yata Mirror. However, you shouldn't blindly following what the Databook says without the manga giving some insight on it. Especially considering how contradicting the Databooks have continued to be. As I said, if the weapon was that powerful, why is its best feats blocking a small sword and a few small explosions. Its entry in the Databook is hype at its finest with no receipts. Itachi having the Yata Mirror was wasted potential. You can blame circumstance, I blame Kishi's lack of proof.

      Well you didn't considered the context in which I made the statement.
      Just Before this very statement you Said Itachi becomes invincible, Whereas I tried to point otherwise and hence made that statement. It wasn't irrelevant at all. Naruto was caught off Guard despite being one of the great sensor, And all I said was instead of going after Naruto had Nagato had gone after Itachi their was no way he would have survived either.
      Also you are forgetting the Susanoo was easily able to block those Lunges from Orochimaru's Snake form easily despite those snakes being as big as Manda. And do remember Orochimaru toyed with 4tails(though he did get tired), But this was him at his full fury and he stopped that rampage. So It's not only paper bombs but also that vast 7 headed snake...
      And I Do agree it's Kishimoto's fault. But what I did want to point out was the fact that Databook have been reliable and very subjective especially when talking about Techniques pros and cons. Take for instance Truth Seeker Orbs, Databook has correctly mentioned and described its pros and cons something what may or may not be conveyed in the cannon(think Kaguya's ability Kekkei Mora such ideas can't be shown in cannon but can be well illustrated and explained in Databook or any other technique which Hagoromo used to create Biju). The usual errors in DB are either mistranslation or character bios or anime filler screwing up. IT's not like Itachi was main character, the guy barely appears in 2 arcs and had relics which Orochimaru had been searching for his whole life. I think that does vouches for authenticity of the hype of those weapons. Couple that up with black zetsus overall comment I would say it could make sense.

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    • @Namikaze

      It blocking Orochimaru's giant snakes is not a meaningful feat as the shield was their size and what feats do they have? Not to mention they still slipped right passed it. I mean shouldn't it adapt and change size and shape? The Databook aren't just mistranslations, it's contradictions to the manga. It doesn't matter that Orochimaru was looking for them, because the duded didn't even know what the Totsuka Blade could do. I'm not saying the Yata Mirror isn't able to withstand a considerable amount of damage, but I'm doubting that it can really block everything. I could care less of circumstance. Kishi could of showed some better feats with it. He is the creator after all.

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    • Rachin123 wrote: @Namikaze

      It blocking Orochimaru's giant snakes is not a meaningful feat as the shield was their size and what feats do they have? Not to mention they still slipped right passed it. I mean shouldn't it adapt and change size and shape? The Databook aren't just mistranslations, it's contradictions to the manga. It doesn't matter that Orochimaru was looking for them, because the duded didn't even know what the Totsuka Blade could do. I'm not saying the Yata Mirror isn't able to withstand a considerable amount of damage, but I'm doubting that it can really block everything. I could care less of circumstance. Kishi could of showed some better feats with it. He is the creator after all.

      What do you mean passed it? Did the Susanoo break or what? Because the attack Hardly reached Itachi
      Orochimaru knew what Totsuka blade could do since when he started to being sealed he clearly exclaims "that was totsuka blade had been hidden in him all along" What is very much clear is he knew all of totsuka's abilities what he didn't knew was how did the blade look like.
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    • @Namikaze

      It passed the Yata Mirror which apparently adapts to every attack. Binding is also a form of an attack. It doesn't matter if they didn't break through Susanoo. Itachi used the shield for the snakes initial attack too. Are you insinuating that they were going to break pass Susanoo then. If Orochimaru knew what the Totsuka Blade was, he wouldn't have been so reckless to let himself get pierced and sealed by it.

      It's no point in continuing conversing with you at this point. It seems like you are choosing to believe in the hype. If that's what you want to do, than do so. I on the other hand will stick to feats because they always get the job done. Not statements with no receipts.

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    • ^Well said @Rachin123

      @Namikaze

      It seems you go to the ends of the earth to try and explain why it is ok that the YM doesn't have any feats and makes sense, but it still does not make it acceptable. @Thekillman made a really good point, if this was the case why didn't Itachi do it all the time?

      I also advise you to go and re-read the chapter where Orochimaru's snakes attacked and bypassed the YM, that alone disproves the "adapt to any attack" statement.

      Feats > hype

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    • This entire thing boils down to one fan overhyping Itachi's yata mirror and making his own interpretation of vague statements. Why hasn't this been closed yet?

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    • Not to mention Rachin123@ actually ignored namikaze's comment which said "Orochimaru knew the ability of totsuka thats why he was searching for it" huhuhu so?If you didnt know, orochimaru never goes after pointless powerups. Otherwise he woulsve simply killed kisame and stolen samehada or shutstomped zabuza for his sword which is also a "special" weapon like rachin123 likes to put it. Lmao someone who wants immortality and ultimate invincibility like orochimaru going after some stupid one-sided mirror? No way. If you didnt know the kusanagi of orochimaru is the most powerful sword tied with nunoboku no ken in narutoverse. And wait if it was a normal shield it would block things like a physical one ex: toads shield and sasori's shield. But yata mirror deflected the sword a long distance away including sasuke already putting it in the league of supernatural and combined with the "perfect defense" statement in DB its already proven its 360°. Or wait I could deflect the same trick back at you: explain why itachi didnt stab orochimaru before he couldnt even speak?Why allow him to speak even though he's not gonna say anything worthwhile anyway? Yata mirror repelled the sword and sasuke some real distance back it didnt repel the snakes when they touched it, Why?Cuz those snakes never attacked.It has a fucking teeth for attacking coiling around aint gonna do shit against susanoo when not even lava could burn an unformed ribcage. You guys are giving skepticism a newly found meaning. Maybe Im an itachi fan so?Does it make my statements any less authentic when all I said said was statements of the director himself?

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    • Oh look, @Ghost is back. If you guys know what's good for you, ignore him. He's going to spill nothing but nonsense.

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    • Rachin123 wrote: Oh look, @Ghost is back. If you guys know what's good for you, ignore him. He's going to spill nothing but nonsense.

      Go on ignore me lmao! But its my request that you answer the valid points of namikaze@ he/she has destroyed you in her last comment so you chose to ignore it, he/she aint spilling nonsense so you could listen to her aight? Why are blaming itachi for lack of proof anyway?Its like saying the white fang aint stronger than sannin just bcuz there are like zero feats of him even picking up a kunai....The very reason kishi never allowed itachi to use totsuka and yata in that war is full proof he would be invincible like zetsu said! Kabuto was technically the strongest guy in narutoverse at thay time and him being defeated without even a decent fight would be pathetic as for plot reasons. Why cant you accept that?

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    • Rachin123 wrote: Oh look, @Ghost is back. If you guys know what's good for you, ignore him. He's going to spill nothing but nonsense.

      A user getting on your nerves and expressing their beliefs doesn't entitle you to shun them from the discussion.

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    • Sarutobii2 wrote:

      Rachin123 wrote: Oh look, @Ghost is back. If you guys know what's good for you, ignore him. He's going to spill nothing but nonsense.

      A user getting on your nerves and expressing their beliefs doesn't entitle you to shun them from the discussion.

      Thanks Sarutobii2@. Someone has a really devoloped intellect in this close-minded den it seems.

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    • Sarutobii2 wrote: A user getting on your nerves and expressing their beliefs doesn't entitle you to shun them from the discussion.

      Not shunning him out. I don't have the power to do that. He can still add his input and people are free to agree with him. I'm giving a friendly warning. Because it is very clear that he is talking a lot of nonsense, on this thread, as well as other threads, and when you disagree with him, he calls us all idiots, stupid, or brainless.

      Hungry Ghost realm wrote: Thanks Sarutobii2@. Someone has a really devoloped intellect in this close-minded den it seems.

      And this is the kind of behavior that got you blocked in the first place.

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    • The Yata Mirror is "endowed with all nature transformations and able to change its characteristics to any nature transformation to completely negate any attack". But what about attacks that do not contain any nature transformations? What about a TBB for instance? It doesn't contain aby nature transformation, so the Yata Mirror will have no nature transformation to adapt to. And i'm having a hard time picturing a full armored susanoo (at best) of an MS user, not even EMS, tanking a full TBB.Even with Yata Mirror. I mean the closest thing to a TBB that he YM tanked was Kirin, which doesn't really count because it's pure lighting, and the YM adapted to it.

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    • @Vlad

      But, the Yata Mirror was not used to block Kirin. I mean why else would Susanoo disappear? The Yata Mirror would have just adapted to and protected Susanoo and Itachi.

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    • ^Or maybe the YM tanked it and broke along with Susanoo...thats why Itachi was so injured and his Akatsuki cloak disappeared. Another inconsistency ah...

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    • If it wasn't used to block Kirin, than the only time he used it was when he tanked the explosive kunai and when Orochimaru's snakes tried to headbutt the Susanoo. The YM wasn't actually needed in this cases if you think about it. I mean c'mon, the Susanoo is ridiculously tough.Even the skeleton version is crazy resisted, and Itachi used the armored version. He could've easily tanked these attacks without the YM. The only exception might've been Kirin.

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    • @Vlad

      This is my point. What was the shield for when his Susanoo could protect him from any damaging attack he was faced with by his opponents. Why give Itachi the shield if he never needed it? Why hype the shield and it's best feats are small scale shit. It's just ridiculous.

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    • Rachin123 wrote: @Vlad

      This is my point. What was the shield for when his Susanoo could protect him from any damaging attack he was faced with by his opponents. Why give Itachi the shield if he never needed it? Why hype the shield and it's best feats are small scale shit. It's just ridiculous.

      Except you never saw him using susanoo so?Even you say my "facts" are nonsense so whyre you acting like youre the victim Mr manipulator?Ok if your logic was correct and itachi really did summon susanoo give me proof.You dont have any right?Cuz the only proof you've has been debunked by obito. And kabuto.So your point is?Wait, whats with backwards logic its not because it was some measly barrier that it wasnt used its bcuz it was too OP that if used would kill every other narutoverse character with thier jutsus as this mirror repels every tech back to them.Ever heard of nerf? EVER heard of plotdevice?You act like you dont know any of these terms as if you ever proved yata cant be 360 when zetsu said it made him invincible and databook confirms it. Its clear kishi didnt allow him to use it for plot.Simple as that. Orochimaru had like zero interest for bijuu as he stated sasuke was stronger than naruto even when in cloak form and you know what?These were the reason even akatsuki formed in the 1st place.so these weapons of itachi should be even greater than tailed beast power and greater than any other shield. Your logic is flawed why do you keep questioning its ability even though everyone in narutoverse actually accepts it as ultimate? Zetsu and orochimaru are the most knowledgeable characters in narutoverse so its never a lie. I kinda understand from what point youre seeing this, its the problem of its owner if this mirror was in madara's hands and still showed no feats you would take the claim and hype as legit wont you?Thier is another reason zetsu is the legit guy in narutoverse , he treats everyone as inferiors. For example in kage summit he calls kages as fools he mocked obito and madara but the irony is he praised and literally said someone as "weak" as itachi as "completely invincible" By the way if the mirror cant be 360 it aint making his susanoo invincible. His sword can turn into a hand so whyre you doubting the mirror?If the sword has no limits then the mirror too has none as theyre "perfect" you'd keep saying it has no feats but the thing is every manga statement and databook statement implies it can also doesnt have a physical form it has no real shape: Proven. Whyre you nitpicking btw statements>>>>feats as statements cannot be incorrect or lie while feats can be inconsistent like amaterasu not killing karin when it burned rocks into ash.

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    • Hungry Ghost realm wrote:

      ...bcuz it was too OP that if used would kill every other narutoverse character with thier jutsus as this mirror repels every tech back to them.Ever heard of nerf? EVER heard of plotdevice? Its clear kishi didnt allow him to use it for plot....so these weapons of itachi should be even greater than tailed beast power and greater than any other shield. His sword can turn into a hand so whyre you doubting the mirror?If the sword has no limits then the mirror too has none as theyre "perfect"...

      Hahahahaha...

      This logic truly amazes me. Let's try it.

      So, by extension, Naruto's Rasengan was also nerfed, as a true Rasengan would grind through anything.

      Secondly, the YM is literally a mirror, as it is described as the yata Mirror, not Yata shield. Therefore, it's main ability is to allow Itachi to see his own reflection.

      Finally the Sharingan is said to be derived from the Byakugan, therefore the Byakugan is the most powerful dojutsu. This cannot be a lie as it is a statement.

      @Ghost is the mayor of hypeville.

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    • This is as I said before, Massive NLF

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    • Ninja Of War wrote: ^Well said @Rachin123

      @Namikaze It seems you go to the ends of the earth to try and explain why it is ok that the YM doesn't have any feats and makes sense, but it still does not make it acceptable. @Thekillman made a really good point, if this was the case why didn't Itachi do it all the time?

      I also advise you to go and re-read the chapter where Orochimaru's snakes attacked and bypassed the YM, that alone disproves the "adapt to any attack" statement.

      Feats > hype

      I already made my argument against @Killman and I was able to clear it completely you could read my answer to it.
      By the way I did agree feats >hype in the discussion. The only thing I was against was it's apparent lack of use, Where in every fight most of the users were claiming that Itachi should have used it. The mirror on its own only guarantees draw and you can't always compare its utility in any given situation just like the needle and the sword. I am in no way hyping any more than any other user who trying to diss the mirror
      Also I would advise you one more time to read the Databook Entry: It clearly implies the mirror doesn't has physical form, So Rachin123's point about the Snake bypassing doesn't stand at all. The mirror is well imbubed In the Susanoo.

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    • @Namikaze

      Yet it shows us that it does have a physical form. It is a shield-like weapon. You believing that Itachi channels it through his entire Susanoo is ridiculous when it shows us what it is. And it can't be completely ethereal if non-ethereal things can come into contact with it.

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    • Namikazenaruto9 wrote: Also I would advise you one more time to read the Databook Entry: It clearly implies the mirror doesn't has physical form, So Rachin123's point about the Snake bypassing doesn't stand at all. The mirror is well imbubed In the Susanoo.

      That I cannot agree with. You can't cherry pick things that that don't agree with your narrative. YM is supposed to adapt to the snake's attack, yet it didn't. That cannot be downplayed or explained. Only result we can logically conclude is that the YM is overhyped.

      @Thekillman's point still stands though. If the YM is that powerful, Itachi should have no problem starting every fight with it. That would negate any attack your opponent would use, therefore it would guarantee Itachi never being at a disadvantage. Itachi would still have to use other techniques to win but behind the YM, as you and a few users have hyped up, he would have nothing to worry about. So why did this not happen then?

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    • Ninja Of War wrote:

      Hungry Ghost realm wrote:

      ...bcuz it was too OP that if used would kill every other narutoverse character with thier jutsus as this mirror repels every tech back to them.Ever heard of nerf? EVER heard of plotdevice? Its clear kishi didnt allow him to use it for plot....so these weapons of itachi should be even greater than tailed beast power and greater than any other shield. His sword can turn into a hand so whyre you doubting the mirror?If the sword has no limits then the mirror too has none as theyre "perfect"...

      Hahahahaha...

      This logic truly amazes me. Let's try it.

      So, by extension, Naruto's Rasengan was also nerfed, as a true Rasengan would grind through anything.

      Secondly, the YM is literally a mirror, as it is described as the yata Mirror, not Yata shield. Therefore, it's main ability is to allow Itachi to see his own reflection.

      Finally the Sharingan is said to be derived from the Byakugan, therefore the Byakugan is the most powerful dojutsu. This cannot be a lie as it is a statement.

      @Ghost is the mayor of hypeville.

      Lets see......sharingan is derived from byakugan, in a way byakugan is more powerful as it has more insight and and can also see through attacks and even stop chakra flow and kill a human like might guy with a thrust like gentle fist. So in a way its more powerful than sharingan. Derivation doesnt always mean powerful. Can you show me where its said rasengan can grind anything? If its said like that its fact. Why should they lie?Why?There is no reason for director to hype something which cant do that.Youre saying yata mirror cant be all directional when it doesnt even have a physical form which means no shape and no form. Yes its a mirror so it repels as I proved earlier so what are you trying to say?

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    • Correction,chidori was said it can pierce through anything and it fell short vs naruto.So yea,overhyped.Same deal with YM.YM was supposed to adapt to any attack(inluding snakes),yet snakes bypassed it and attacked from other sides.

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    • Kakashisologod1 wrote: Correction,chidori was said it can pierce through anything and it fell short vs naruto.So yea,overhyped.Same deal with YM.YM was supposed to adapt to any attack(inluding snakes),yet snakes bypassed it and attacked from other sides.

      Feats are inconsistent. Chidori pierced through diamond hard skin of kakuzu which blew the fire temple with one punch.And it didnt get scratched by choji's ball. Chidori pierced through it. For all of you saying kakuzu's was just an earth based product please...the databook says a master of an earth element can make it harder than steel and kakashi stated kakuzu mastered all elements perfectly so ofcouse his earth was hard as diamond. The databook says its diamond-hard.

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    • And SPSM narutos cloak is clearly more than diamond hard if chidori(that should pierce through everything)couldnt scratch naruto.

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    • Ninja Of War wrote: That I cannot agree with. You can't cherry pick things that that don't agree with your narrative. YM is supposed to adapt to the snake's attack, yet it didn't. That cannot be downplayed or explained. Only result we can logically conclude is that the YM is overhyped. @Thekillman's point still stands though. If the YM is that powerful, Itachi should have no problem starting every fight with it. That would negate any attack your opponent would use, therefore it would guarantee Itachi never being at a disadvantage. Itachi would still have to use other techniques to win but behind the YM, as you and a few users have hyped up, he would have nothing to worry about. So why did this not happen then?

      So is wrapping an attack? And two check the very next panel the Susanoo breaks the hold before the hold is even complete. So I don't see your point. Plus its unclear about shield since the snakes wrap the Susanoo completely around the base. So it could go either way...
      Logically @killman's point is flawed. Itachi participates in three major fights. One Against Sasuke(where he uses), second against Nagato and third against Kabuto. Against Nagato he finishes him off with Totsuka blade after a surprise attack with Susanoo and against Kabuto well I already explained for 100th time in this time. You can't keep justifying that YM is useless because Itachi didn't use it In every fight.

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    • Ever wondered why the kusanagi couldnt pass through it?Why nagato couldnt absorb his cloak? Still could absorb B'S cloak. Kyuubi cloak is different from the other bijuu cloak as kyuubi was called the "fox spirit" it is actually a spirit.

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    • @Namikaze

      Nobody said the Yata Mirror was useless. We just said it may not be as powerful as we are led to believe in databooks. Lack of proof is the problem. I don't care if the circumstances for Itachi meant he didn't need it. Why give it to the guy if he never needed. What was it for show. Just for hype to show that Itachi wielded such a powerful weapon. It's like me actually believing that Kakashi copied a 1000 jutsus but hasn't even shown a quarter of those jutsus.

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    • It is powerful it was restricted by kishimoto whyre you keeping on cherrypicking ?Sharingan can copy any ninjutsu except kekkei genkai and taijutsu so your point is?We cant debate with this guy he is too close-minded.

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    • @GHost

      Yes "restricted". If you didn't notice, I was done with you on this thread so I don't know why you continue to comment to me.

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    • Hungry Ghost realm wrote: It is powerful it was restricted by kishimoto whyre you keeping on cherrypicking ?

      Uh no. Databooks have had inaccuracies before. Yata being overhyped in the databook is not impossible. It's the databook that overhypes, the Manga never made bold claims as to how the shield worked. So no, Kishimoto didn't restrict it's use due to being OP, because it never was OP in the Manga.

      Sure Kishimoto may once have had such plans for it, but it's evident that in the end, the Databook description does not match actual Manga use.

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    • Rachin123 wrote: @GHost

      Yes "restricted". If you didn't notice, I was done with you on this thread so I don't know why you continue to comment to me.

      If chidori can maintain promises and gentle fist can maintain promises and 8th gate can maintain promises then ethereal weapons should. FACT. You could tag your opinion in your face though you wont believe even if thier are medium feats so why bother?

      Guess what killman@ if amateradu really burned with the intensity of sun then woukd there be a fucking future for narutoverse?Kishi has to do adjustments to prolong the series there are techs which could destroy the universe if it went according to DB thats why the director nerfed it is it so difficult to understand?

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    • Medium feats...what?It blocked few explosives and one sword.NOTHING else besides it,sorry YM is overhyped BS of a weapon.And your logic is flawed.Just because few thing arent overhyped does not mean nothing is overhyped.

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    • @Ghost

      And still continuing to comment to me. What are you hard of reading? I don't want nothing to do with you on this thread. I'm trying to talk to people I know I can have a decent conversation with.

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    • Kakashisologod1 wrote: Medium feats...what?It blocked few explosives and one sword.NOTHING else besides it,sorry YM is overhyped BS of a weapon.And your logic is flawed.Just because few thing arent overhyped does not mean nothing is overhyped.

      It expanded didnt you see that? Dont say another thing if you want me to stop. Atleast know when to stop. They wont be ethereal if they cant change shape right?you want more proof?Pain and Tobi never attacked konoha in itachi's lifetime. Tobi claimed" now itachi is dead so there is no trouble for me in attacking konoha". If you didnt know tobi was the leader of akatsuki he couldve killed itachi by ordering every akatsuki member but he was afraid as he said multiple times. So that mirror has to be invincible omnidirectional if akatsuki couldnt do shit.

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    • It expanded right,just like to the snakes attacks right?Oh wait,they bypassed the mirror.He said he HIMSELF can not take on itachi,not the entire akatsuki LOL.

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    • Hungry Ghost realm wrote: Guess what killman@ if amateradu really burned with the intensity of sun then woukd there be a fucking future for narutoverse?

      Yes. The surface of the sun burns with about 6000 degrees. A common blowtorch easily does 20000 degrees. "burn with the intensity of the sun" can mean pretty much anything from a couple of thousand degrees of low-pressure gas to inconceivable pressures and temperatures.

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    • Thekillman wrote:

      Hungry Ghost realm wrote: Guess what killman@ if amateradu really burned with the intensity of sun then woukd there be a fucking future for narutoverse?

      Yes. The surface of the sun burns with about 6000 degrees. A common blowtorch easily does 20000 degrees. "burn with the intensity of the sun" can mean pretty much anything from a couple of thousand degrees of low-pressure gas to inconceivable pressures and temperatures.

      It aint surface of the sun as it burned a fireball so your point? Akatsuki was his ally as kisame followed his every word and pain and konan too kakashisologod@. He only told pain to attack konoha after itachi died which is proof yata mirror can repel all thier attacks

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    • @Kakashisologod1

      You're forgetting that the YM is literally a mirror, it isn't a shield. So @Ghost is talking nonsense. Checkmate YM fans. lol

      @Namikaze

      You haven't answered my question though. You also disregarded the snakes attack not being blocked, why is that?

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    • Ninja Of War wrote: @Kakashisologod1

      You're forgetting that the YM is literally a mirror, it isn't a shield. So @Ghost is talking nonsense. Checkmate YM fans. lol

      @Namikaze

      You haven't answered my question though. You also disregarded the snakes attack not being blocked, why is that?

      And youre talking rubbish.It being a mirror has nothing to do with being omnidirectional."It can repel any attack and changes its attributes to repel any attack"-Kishimoto. You've no argument.If the manga didnt show it its plot.Period. at first you called it a shield remember? Now youre even changing your initial claim. It was valled perfect defense by zetsu and databook and author you have zero argument LOOOOOOOOOLLL such a funny guy HAHAHA
      
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    • Since it is literally a mirror, it can break and give Itachi seven years of bad luck. Kishi stated it, so it must be true. lol

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    • Ninja Of War wrote: Since it is literally a mirror, it can break and give Itachi seven years of bad luck. Kishi stated it, so it must be true. lol

      Except it would repel it before LOOOOOL this war guy is sooo funny LOOOOOOOOOOOL. This guy is spilling nonsense such a hater

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    • @Ninja Of War

      Don't feed into this guy, you won't get anywhere.

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    • @Rachin123

      I should probably stop feeding the troll.

      Since it is pretty clear that the YM isn't related to a TSB in any way shouldn't this thread be closed?

      Although, I am curious to hear @Namikaze's response.

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    • So these are the people who stay stubborn even after every source say it can?Hmm jokers. This ninja must've created his account to troll such an annoying little joke! Troll. Kishi's words>>>>>>>>your words and that rachin fellow's words. The funny thing is yall support each other even though youre not right. Lovely friendship. TSB is a weapon which can change shape even though it isnt ethereal. It further proves ethereal weapons can. Loool

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