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  • Can't wait to see 15-20 years older Jugo and Suigetsu next episode.

    Also, I would swear Sasuke used Susano'o in this fight in the manga, but I'm probably misremembering.

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    • Nah Sasuke didn't use Susano'o here. I am glad we are getting some Team 7 action, I was kind of tired of watching their kids only..

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    • I noticed they changed a scene compared to the manga version...In the flashback ,just before he left, Sasuke was speaking with the 5 Kage and their bodyguards. But in the episode he was just speaking to Naruto...I guess they must be saving the Kage's reintroduction for the Boruto series, for a better occasion?

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    • This scene has been corrected [1]. In anime, there is only one creature with sharingan!

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    • DXAshram wrote: Also, I would swear Sasuke used Susano'o in this fight in the manga, but I'm probably misremembering.

      He regains his powers after this fight.

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    • When Chocho told Sasuke she thought he was her dad, I was hoping Sasuke would say "Did Choji go somewhere?".

      But anyway, I thought it was a rather painful episode to watch. I like it when the source material is faithfully adapted, but I was hoping it was not the case with some parts of this episode. Naruto not being able to prevent being stabbed (even though his sensing should be superb), losing his chakra avatar immediately after being stabbed once and Sasuke not using his Ameno to its full potential. He could have even used it to switch places with Sakura when she was being transported by Shin's dojutsu. Glad to see Sakura hasn't changed much though - her brief moments of coolness are still being overshadowed by being a damsel in distress shortly after?

      Just kidding. I know she's just trying to gather info.

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    • Mr. Grave wrote:

      But anyway, I thought it was a rather painful episode to watch. I like it when the source material is faithfully adapted, but I was hoping it was not the case with some parts of this episode. Naruto not being able to prevent being stabbed (even though his sensing should be superb), losing his chakra avatar immediately after being stabbed once and Sasuke not using his Ameno to its full potential.

      Naruto didn't see the stab coming, he was too slow. I've said this before, but most power in Naruto is active: if you don't spend effort to sense or protect, you aren't sensing or protecting.

      Naruto lost his cloak not because he was stabbed, but because Shin's mark also extends the control to whatever the weapon is stabbing. IE he could use it to maneuver his clone in the way of the fireball, but also extend that control to force Naruto down and Sasuke to be immobile. Lastly, Shin was out to get Sasuke, so Sasuke using Ameno on Sakura would be a waste of a good Ameno use and play right in their hands.

      Mr. Grave wrote: Glad to see Sakura hasn't changed much though - her brief moments of coolness are still being overshadowed by being a damsel in distress shortly after?

      I don't think the character can be saved anymore. It doesn't matter what she does, there's just no credibility left in Sakura.

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    • Well, I don't think that the current events were that awkward in the manga, although I must admit that the episode wasn't adapted faithfully enough as for me, since a lot of magnificent manga frames were kinda wasted. Aside from this, episode can be called quite decent, especially this anime-original twist in the end with Sakura pushing Sarada out of Shin's teleportation.

      Besides, the things I still hope for anime to expand from the manga are rather more details on Shin's past and especially his MS abilities. Though it's quite unlikely that his weapon control and teleportation techniques will get some official name, I'm still going to cheer for it and for their mechanics to be explained properly.

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    • I liked how they made it obvious that Naruto can easily heal after having a sword right through his gut. They also made him act like it wasn't a big deal at all, where as in tine mange he struggled a little bit.Considering that a weaker version of him took a chidori unharmed, i'd say so. Also, Kurama wasn't referring to the fact that Naruto couldn't dodge it, he was referring to the fact that he forgot what real pain feels like and got unused to it. Even if Naruto has like the ultimate SM, there were many instances before where he couldn't dodge attacks.

      So about Sasuke, since he is able to use ameno after losing the tomoe in his rinnegan, the only thing that he actually loses is his MS abilities, right? And obviously, the fact that he can't travel anymore through dimensions.

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    • Ravenlot 27 wrote: I'm still going to cheer for it and for their mechanics to be explained properly.

      Seems that he marks something and can then control it if it's in his field of vision. With all his Sharingan, that's every conceivable angle. It's a subtlety that i didn't really get in the Manga, but the anime makes it fairly clear that he can use this power from any angle.

      I guess it's similar to FTG and shadowclone: you seal a tiny portion of your chakra in an object and then simply control that chakra. For FTG it's a self-summon, for shadowclone

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    • Hmp, fair enough, but still, some more details would be interesting to hear. I mean, for example, the jutsu is unique in the regard that it needs the marking on Shin's palm, unlike other MS jutsu that were depentent on visual prowess only. Plus, @Thekillman, there's also your assumption that the technique does work not only on weapons, but on the humans as well. Perhaps, this assumption wouldn't be very credible based on Naruto's and Sasuke's injuries (no reason to believe that Naruto's movements were restricted by the swords and the scalpels that injured Sasuke could've just targeted some spots on the body to immobilise him, given Shin's vast knowlegde on human anatomy), but these's the fact that Shin clearly moved his clone to shield himself from the fire with the jutsu. When I was reading manga I assumed that Shin in fact didn't move Shin, but rather his weapon to drag him onto the fireball, yet in the anime it seems that he controlled the clone's body directly.

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    • I don't know whether it is appropriate to post it here;it was said that Shin's body was capable to integrate any tissue,cell,organ and,since Shins clones(which comes from from his tooth) have a sharingan too,does it mean Shin obtain Uchiha bloodline but not strong as the real ones since he only obtain it from a donor?

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    • I'm so glad they didn't change his face from the manga: [1]

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    • ^Lol. Sarada's face is also priceless in that shot. It's as if she's thinking "wow i should pay attention to this it seems important"

      @Thekillman - you might be wrong about Sakura, though. She kicked ass in Sakura Hiden. And I think we can overlook this case since even Naruto and Sasuke were not at their best.

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    • So does Sakura confirming that Sarada awakened her Sharingan prior to Gaiden and "Emotional trauma triggers the awakening of the Sharingan" mean a retcon from what we thought we knew from the manga version?

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    • so, highlights: I noticed to kurama's head is bigger, they changed naruto's deflection of shin's knives (that attack from behind, when they tried to surprise Naruto); in the manga, Naruto just swatted them away, while in the anime, he used chakra arms. and lastly: either shin can see with all the eyes that he has (yes, INCLUDING the ones that aren't in face), or he can give commands to his clones by using them... ps, oh, and Naruto just like "oh shit this sword in my stomach hurts like fucking hell!!!", then in the next scene "wow sakura, u didn't even see me back here? I was stabbed and everything... 'pulls sword out, and gives back to sasuke'" lol

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    • Lorenzo.r.2nd wrote: "wow sakura, u didn't even see me back here? I was stabbed and everything... 'pulls sword out, and gives back to sasuke'" lol

      I found it funny as this reminded me of when they got back as a team(Agains the Juubi) and Naruto was like "Sakura I'm also here", lol. Kind of ridiculous that he still wants her to pay attention to him though.

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    • Ravenlot 27 wrote: Hmp, fair enough, but still, some more details would be interesting to hear. I mean, for example, the jutsu is unique in the regard that it needs the marking on Shin's palm, unlike other MS jutsu that were depentent on visual prowess only.

      True. It could be that his true MS power is different from what we saw though and he manifests it with a mark to improve it's power. Essentially, what if his MS power is an improved Transcript ability?

      Ravenlot 27 wrote: When I was reading manga I assumed that Shin in fact didn't move Shin, but rather his weapon to drag him onto the fireball, yet in the anime it seems that he controlled the clone's body directly.

      It seems to me that he controls his sharingan creatures that way as well.

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    • I think it may have control over his clones, as well.

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    • boring,SP adding new stuff nice

      Filler! hahaha
      
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    • Lorenzo.r.2nd wrote: so, highlights: I noticed to kurama's head is bigger, they changed naruto's deflection of shin's knives (that attack from behind, when they tried to surprise Naruto); in the manga, Naruto just swatted them away, while in the anime, he used chakra arms.



      I didn't watch the episode yet.But in the manga he uses chakra arms.

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    • what can i say?

      whenever sarada says papa or mama i feel real pain, its so cringe-worthy >_<

      anyway, otherwise good episode,

      im honestly suprised about the animation quality, how long can they keep this up?

      its certainly not the most amazing form but for a long-running anime it looks quite nice :D

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    • Thekillman wrote: Naruto didn't see the stab coming, he was too slow. I've said this before, but most power in Naruto is active: if you don't spend effort to sense or protect, you aren't sensing or protecting.

      Naruto lost his cloak not because he was stabbed, but because Shin's mark also extends the control to whatever the weapon is stabbing. IE he could use it to maneuver his clone in the way of the fireball, but also extend that control to force Naruto down and Sasuke to be immobile. Lastly, Shin was out to get Sasuke, so Sasuke using Ameno on Sakura would be a waste of a good Ameno use and play right in their hands.

      Yes, it's most probable now that Naruto needs to be actively applying some kind of reinforcement to his cloak in order to prevent attacks from penetrating it. Seeing as how he thought nothing could touch him within the confines of his protective shield, and the fact he didn't anticipate Shin's ability to manipulate weapons other than his own, he was completely caught off guard.

      Though I find it odd Sasuke jumped into the cloak at all, and didn't just deliver the final blow to Shin while he was downed.

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    • ^I actually noticed a drop in this episode's quality when compared to last episode, but I like that they're keeping it consistent. With the exception of a few scenes that stand out (Boruto vs Nue is one of them) there's not a significant difference in between episodes/scenes. I don't like it when that happens.

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    • The reason why Sasuke didn't use ameno to save Sakura or Sarada is simply because, well, he couldn't? He already used the ameno once when he swapped places with Shin's kid clone, and i think it was established a long time ago that Sasuke's eye needs a couple of minutes cool down before he can use it again. He can't spam it.

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    • Vladosaurus wrote: The reason why Sasuke didn't use ameno to save Sakura or Sarada is simply because, well, he couldn't? He already used the ameno once when he swapped places with Shin's kid clone, and i think it was established a long time ago that Sasuke's eye needs a couple of minutes cool down before he can use it again. He can't spam it.

      While there is some truth to that, it's not the full. His eye hasn't restored his full power yet, as it needs recharging from all the travelling to Kaguya's dimension. So it takes longer to recharge Ameno, however if his eye is at full power he can use it a couple of times in a row.

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    • No no no, Shin was downed, he didn't need Ameno. They kinda gave him some time to recover. It's like he just jumped in to provide the audience with some exposition dialogue.

      All of this was set-up to provide the best introduction to the best character in the history of characters, Sakura! /s

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    • Well, actually, he was established to be able to use it at least three times in a row before the recharge. But, on the other hand, Sasuke falling into the hands of Shin was much more dangerious prospective than Sakura's kidnapping. Sasuke was immobile back then, so it would've been no trouble for Shin to extract his Sharingan/Rinnegan. And since Shin can easily accept any foreign genetic material thanks to his unique body, a villain with the Rinnegan would've been a truly fearsome scenario, along with Sasuke losing his eyes and subsequently being killed or used to experiment on.

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    • He can't literally use his ameno 3 times in a row, as in he spams it seconds apart. He needs a short cool down. For instance, when Sakura went with Obito to save him from Kaguya's dimension, he used ameno to swap places with Sakura's jacked. Then he rejoined the battle with Kaguya, and Kaguya changed the dimension to the high gravity one. After Kakashi and Obito sacrifice themselves, Sasuke clearly states "My eye power is back", and proceeds to use amen on on Kaguya, clearly meaning that he was in a cool down. And no, he wasn't in the process of the big recharge (after the 3 ameno uses) because when he is, he shuts his eye down, literally. And he didn't in this case. The only time i can actually recall him using it back to back was against Madara, the first time he ever used it, but after that he didn't.

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    • Lowkey average episode, Sasuke was dope in it though. Gonna be good to see Taka

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    • Sharingan91 wrote: This scene has been corrected [1]. In anime, there is only one creature with sharingan!

      Not corrected but changed. Don't blame the studio for excluding them considering they serve no plot purpose. Not featuring the Kage Summit on the other hand i have an issue with.

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    • Facts, I just saw that post on tumblr. SP gonna be SP, can't believe they didn't add that in.

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    • Shins teethless mouth is so disgusting...

      Also maybe they are gonna expand more on the Boruto movie content and show more of Sasuke searching the dimensions, so they'll have the Summit flashback there, as it has more to do with Momoshiki and Kinshiki anyways.

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    • RexGodwin wrote: Also maybe they are gonna expand more on the Boruto movie content and show more of Sasuke searching the dimensions, so they'll have the Summit flashback there, as it has more to do with Momoshiki and Kinshiki anyways.

      They will probably bring up the summit later for cohesive story purposes.

      Basically we have an A and B plot here (shin and Sarada's mother). Adding the hokage summit might (in Pierrot's eyes) complicate stuff, since it's not going to be mentioned more until after this arc. I think it's similar to Shin's Akatsuki cloak, they kept that reveal for later to nicely fit with Shin's motives etc. Not a super-big deal but i think it fits slightly nicer.

      UntappedRage wrote: Yes, it's most probable now that Naruto needs to be actively applying some kind of reinforcement to his cloak in order to prevent attacks from penetrating it.

      Well, it will probably block most attacks by virtue of being a thick cloak of chakra, but something special like Sasuke's kusanagi blade would almost certainly require effort on Naruto's part to block.

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    • I thought Sasuke's was made out of regular steel? Orochimaru has the actual Sword of Kusanagi.

      But then again, Sasuke's sword has more feats than Orochimaru's lmao

      must be Valerian steel he got from his dimensional travels /s

      I guess a normal person stabbing Naruto has no actual effect since Shin had to continually hold him down, and when he got knocked out, Naruto just brushed off what would have normally been a fatal wound to most

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    • yeah. dude, base pts Naruto tanked a chidori, healed two or three organs, then gaylinly screamed "sasukeeee!!!" like nothing happened, and u wanna tell me that Naruto's most powerful form cant handle some random ass sword?.. like, if Naruto's heart and lungs were to be ripped out, and put on fire, it would less than 4 minutes for him to regen both.

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    • Well, I severely doubt that Naruto can survive with his heart ripped out, since even Kabuto managed to wound his heart muscles by the way that even Kurama wasn't able to heal him, only Tsunade did it.

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    • that was pretty different actually. he made his heart stop, so there really wasn't anything to regen. see my point? heck, he did the same to byakugou tsunade.

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    • A cool episode, Sasuke really performed greatly. but couldn't he use the susanoo instead of sacrificing and making himself a shield. And I thought Naruto's kurama avatar was protective irregardless of naruto's mind state if it's already covered him. Naruto doesn't need to be aware for the avatar to act like it's self does he?

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    • Sasuke couldn't use Susanoo because SPOILER: he is temporary unable to use his mangekyo powers because he traveled to Kaguya's dimensions too much.

      As for Naruto, well, Orochimaru was not able to pierce a 4-tail version of Naruto with his snake sword, yet SPSM Naruto was stabbed by Sasuke's sword. In comparasion, the same Naruto couldn't be pierced and took a chidori unharmed by Sasuke in their final fight. And no, Naruto doesn't need to willingly harder the Kurama chakra in order to not get stabbed or anything like that, i mean i'm pretty sure this is done automatically, hence the name "chakra CLOAK".Considering Naruto's previous feats, i don't really know what they had in mind when they made him get stab, i doesn't really make sense. Whatever...

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    • Vladosaurus wrote: Sasuke couldn't use Susanoo because SPOILER: he is temporary unable to use his mangekyo powers because he traveled to Kaguya's dimensions too much.

      As for Naruto, well, Orochimaru was not able to pierce a 4-tail version of Naruto with his snake sword, yet SPSM Naruto was stabbed by Sasuke's sword. In comparasion, the same Naruto couldn't be pierced and took a chidori unharmed by Sasuke in their final fight. And no, Naruto doesn't need to willingly harder the Kurama chakra in order to not get stabbed or anything like that, i mean i'm pretty sure this is done automatically, hence the name "chakra CLOAK".Considering Naruto's previous feats, i don't really know what they had in mind when they made him get stab, i doesn't really make sense. Whatever...

      He literally uses it next chapter/episode

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    • I just don't understand how he has a cloak that can block Shin's other knives, but the most concentrated part of the cloak that is on his body couldn't stop a sword not moving anywhere at the same speeds.

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    • Berserkchart486 wrote: I just don't understand how he has a cloak that can block Shin's other knives, but the most concentrated part of the cloak that is on his body couldn't stop a sword not moving anywhere at the same speeds.

      Sasuke's sword is special. It's called Kusanagi, although it's not the same Kusanagi that Orochimaru uses.

      Also, as explained by Asuma, weapons can be made unnaturally sharp by the elements. In sasuke's case, his channeling of Chidori imbued the sword with apparent unnatural sharpness. After all, last time i checked you couldn't cut rock with a Kunai either.

      So no, naruto didn't get stabbed by some random ass sword.

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    • Yes, but Sasuke didn't imbue the sword with chidori this time. When he does, its obvious, because he uses Sword of Kusanagi: Chidori Katana, and the electricity is clearly visible. And his sword is not literally Kusanagi, since it has non of Kusanagi's characteristics. And i doubt that is more powerful than a snake sword, since Orochimaru made quite a deal out of it. And even if it would be stronger, Adult SPSM Naruto >>>> 4-tail version of teen Naruto, with only half of Kurama as well.It still doesn't make sense, and as i said before, not even chidori was able to pierce or scratch SPSM Naruto, and Sasuke also had six path chakra when he used it...so there is that. Doesn't make sense.

      @RexGodwin Then read the next chapter as well, and see what i'm talking about.

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    • Thekillman wrote: Sasuke's sword is special. It's called Kusanagi, although it's not the same Kusanagi that Orochimaru uses.

      Sasuke lost his "Sword of Kusanagi" in Kaguya's lava dimension. The sword Sasuke currently uses is just a random sword

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    • Not really, as far as I remember, the Boruto movie promotional materials referred to this sword as to "the sword of Kusanagi" as well.

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    • Ravenlot 27 wrote: Not really, as far as I remember, the Boruto movie promotional materials referred to this sword as to "the sword of Kusanagi" as well.

      Really?

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    • I clearly recall that it was mentioned somewhere in Boruto related media a while ago, though I don't remember the exact source by now. Maybe, it's from Zai no Sho, maybe, from something else.

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    • Ravenlot 27 wrote: I clearly recall that it was mentioned somewhere in Boruto related media a while ago, though I don't remember the exact source by now. Maybe, it's from Zai no Sho, maybe, from something else.

      Well, regardless, there's literally nothing special about Sasuke's sword to assume that it is different than any other sword

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    • Well, it seems to be true, but this case with piercing Naruto's chakra cloak opened up a room for great speculations.

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    • Was it said somewhere that Naruto grows thicker skin when he enters SPSM or something?

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    • Ravenlot 27 wrote: Well, it seems to be true, but this case with piercing Naruto's chakra cloak opened up a room for great speculations.

      I don't really see how it would. The case can either be due to inconsistency or Naruto having his guard down

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    • It's not about the skin, it's about the cloak.He essentially has a more stronger cloak the V2 on top of the strongest SM possible, which also makes you more durable. If he would've used chidori through his sword, than that might've been understandable, since it was able to bisect TTJ Madara like that, but he didn't.It was just the sword. Not to mention that it was BS that he got stabbed in the first place. I mean when he first fought the shin clone, he sensed the weapons from his behind and reacted no problem. Yet here, he just stood there, like he sensed nothing at all. Considering that he was able to react to Madara's lighting attack when he was that close to him, it doesn't really add up.

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    • @Vladosaurus

      No I agree that the fact he couldn't intercept that sword before it went through him was bullshit, but as far as I know having a cloak doesn't strengthen your skin/muscles. The sword stabbed TTJ Madara too when Sasuke switched places with it.

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    • @Mr. Grave In the battle from the beginning of shippuden when Naruto fought Orochimaru, Naruto went 4-tails vs him. After a while, Orocimaru pushed him away with his Snake sword, and tried to pierce him with it, but he couldn't. He said: "Not even my snake sword can pierce him". So thing is,a blade shouldn't be able to pass trough the cloak, as seen with Orochimaru. And there are other examples like that, like when Sasuke chidori'd Naruto on their final battle, or even in the Last (although i didn't want to bring it up because it might've been exaggerated), Toneri's sword that split the moon in half hit Naruto, yet he was completely fine, and he was also in a weaker form. Judging by the Gaiden, in all of these scenarios, Naruto's should've been stabbed no problem. It contradicts big time.

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    • Well, actually, Naruto's version 2 did stengthen his skin, and this chakra mode is supposed to be more powerful than it. Moreover, it has always been the chakra cloak Naruto used to defend himself and his allies (during FSWW) even against large-scale pulverising attacks like Ten-Tails Tenpenchii. Plus, as it was already stated, he uses SPSM, a more advanced version of SM, while even the latter enhances the durability of the body (as seen by Naruto surviving a fall from a cliff during SM training without any scratch at all and breaking Pain's receiver by merely blocking it with an open palm).

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    • @Vladosaurus

      Ah, okay. I legitimately didn't know about Orochimaru not being able to pierce Naruto. Must have skimmed through that fight.

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    • @Ravenlot 27 Exactly my point.

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    • UltimaDude wrote: Well, regardless, there's literally nothing special about Sasuke's sword to assume that it is different than any other sword

      The fact that it pierced Naruto's cloak easily despite Shin's knives being unable to do so suggests otherwise.

      Besides, weapons like Kusanagi were forged, it's not impossible that Sasuke learned how to make his own, or an imitation thereof.

      And lastly, Sasuke's sword effortlessly pierces stone, so i don't think it's a generic sword by any measure.

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    • @Thekillman You're grasping at way too many straws here, dude

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    • Thekillman wrote:

      UltimaDude wrote: Well, regardless, there's literally nothing special about Sasuke's sword to assume that it is different than any other sword

      The fact that it pierced Naruto's cloak easily despite Shin's knives being unable to do so suggests otherwise.

      Besides, weapons like Kusanagi were forged, it's not impossible that Sasuke learned how to make his own, or an imitation thereof.

      And lastly, Sasuke's sword effortlessly pierces stone, so i don't think it's a generic sword by any measure.

      It aint forged , its a sacred weapon. Its like saying the sealing pot can be forged. Enma was dying to take it back with him, that means no one can recreate the original one. And btw sasuke's kusanagi cant extend and even then it phased through steel which means kusanagi can even become intangible.

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    • Reasonable explanation none of you folk thought of. Perhaps when Naruto goes Tailed Beast Mode and creates Kurama avatar, the cloak's protection might extend to the avatar itself, meaning it protects from outside threats, but anyone within the avatar doesn't have protection if the attack comes from within. Think of it akin to Susanoo, it blocks attacks, but if anyone were to enter Sasuke's Susanoo and stab him, the Susanoo wouldn't help anything while the attack is already within

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    • Elveonora wrote: Reasonable explanation none of you folk thought of. Perhaps when Naruto goes Tailed Beast Mode and creates Kurama avatar, the cloak's protection might extend to the avatar itself, meaning it protects from outside threats, but anyone within the avatar doesn't have protection if the attack comes from within. Think of it akin to Susanoo, it blocks attacks, but if anyone were to enter Sasuke's Susanoo and stab him, the Susanoo wouldn't help anything while the attack is already within

      So you have a theory that no one thought of....umm, ok? Good theory, nonetheless. But Naruto's Tailed Beast Mode isn't like Susanoo in that regard. The cloak isn't what creates the avatar, otherwise it would leave the user and be transferred to the creation of the avatar. When Naruto creates an avatar, he simply pours in more chakra that transfers to the creation of the avatar. Naruto always have his chakra mode while in TBM, so he would still have high defenses within the avatar

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    • Yeah, agreed with UltimaDude. I wouldn't understand why it wouldn't protect his body either, since it's all the same exact chakra.

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    • Hungry Ghost realm wrote: It aint forged , its a sacred weapon. Its like saying the sealing pot can be forged. Enma was dying to take it back with him, that means no one can recreate the original one. And btw sasuke's kusanagi cant extend and even then it phased through steel which means kusanagi can even become intangible.

      Someone at some point must've made the Kusanagi. Besides, the series itself calls Sasuke's weapon a Kusanagi, even though it's not an exact copy of Orochimaru's. Someone at some point must've made that pot.

      And like i said: Sasuke's weapon pierced Naruto's cloak when Shin's knives could not. It thus cannot be a "random weapon", even if we don't know the specifics. We do know that charging a weapon with an element can sharpen it beyond natural properties (e.g. cutting stone), and last time i checked, swords tend to hold their edges. A sword sharpened by chakra won't suddenly become dull once the chakra fades.

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    • Kusanagi can cut through everything even other spirit weapons like enma. It cannot be possibly forged. Even if it was forged it was by some real god-tier character which makes it near invincible.

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    • Enma isn't spirit weapon. Also someone crafted Samehada somehow, so it's within the possibility that magically imbued weapons can be made by ordinary individuals who know how. Edit: Kusanagi doesn't seem to be a specific sword, rather it's a type of a sword within Naruto verse, so Sasuke's swords aren't any less Kusanagi than Orochimaru's. If I were to guess, the origin of the Kusanagi swords is the Ryuchi Cave.

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    • Elveonora wrote: Enma isn't spirit weapon. Also someone crafted Samehada somehow, so it's within the possibility that magically imbued weapons can be made by ordinary individuals who know how.

      The dude said Kusanagi can phase through things. He obviously has a skewed understanding of the lore.

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    • But the sword isn't the Kusanagi. It's some random blade at the moment. Remember, he lost his Kusanagi fighting Kaguya.

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    • Berserkchart486 wrote: But the sword isn't the Kusanagi. It's some random blade at the moment. Remember, he lost his Kusanagi fighting Kaguya.

      Zai no Sho says and I quote: "He [Sasuke] wears a vest under his cloak. He also carries the sword of Kusanagi in his back. Furthermore, his left arm appears to be still missing."

      It could very well be a databook error. But it is causing a lot of confusion. I am not sure if I should provide a link, but you can just Google Zai no Sho translation and you'll see for yourself.

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    • Berserkchart486 wrote: But the sword isn't the Kusanagi. It's some random blade at the moment. Remember, he lost his Kusanagi fighting Kaguya.

      If that weapon was forged for him, then he can forge that weapon again. I find it hard to believe that with all that power, insight and those Dojutsu, Sasuke would have trouble creating a powerful sword. If he witnessed the creation of the sword, then via the Sharingan he could simply copy the process. We saw that Nagato was able to make futuristic weaponry with the Rinnegan, and we've seen both Madara and Sasuke improvise and develop Jutsu on the spot with the Rinnegan.


      Hungry Ghost realm wrote: Kusanagi can cut through everything even other spirit weapons like enma. It cannot be possibly forged. Even if it was forged it was by some real god-tier character which makes it near invincible.

      Orochimaru's Kusanagi could not pierce through a 4-tails Kyubi cloak, so it's evidently not invincible. Sasuke can also be considered a god-tier character now.

      Someone must've forged Kusanagi and Totsuki and Yata. Such things do not appear naturally. Yet we've seen that the Sage could even forge the Nine Tailed Beasts from a parent spirit. So really, why is it so hard to believe that someone like Sasuke could forge his own weapon and imbue it with unnatural sharpness? It's hardly the most insane power in the Narutoverse.

      Elveonora wrote: Also someone crafted Samehada somehow, so it's within the possibility that magically imbued weapons can be made by ordinary individuals who know how.

      Samehada could conceivably be a naturally occurring being that was modified/mutated into a sword form. But we also have the Executioner's blade, which regenerates itself, and that isn't traced back to any specific or unique shinobi with specific or unique powers.

      EDIT: Quite frankly, i think stuff like Orochimaru's Kusanagi being able to levitate and extend was more a technique by Orochimaru than a true power of the sword. After all, orochimaru summoned many copies of it with his snakes, making me believe that a strong connection to it's user is a more probable Kusanagi power than said extension/etc properties. In sasuke's case it seems unnaturally sharp and perfect for channeling lightning through.

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    • Ah, I would like to believe it's a Databook error, unless he forged another one, which I guess would make sense, but it still doesn't explain how it pierces the nine tails cloak really. Though, tbh, I don't think it matters lol, I think the entire point was that Naruto and Sasuke were arrogant af and got caught off guard and the episode gave Sakura some leeway to save the day.

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    • Berserkchart486 wrote: Ah, I would like to believe it's a Databook error, unless he forged another one, which I guess would make sense, but it still doesn't explain how it pierces the nine tails cloak really.

      Maybe it's just me, but i would find it weirder if Sasuke's sword couldn't pierce that cloak. We've seen chakra-metal that can hold a jutsu. It wouldn't take much more than Sasuke imbuing it with Preta Path, and it could cut through any chakra-based substance. Although to me it sounds like the chakra-metal would naturally cut through any chakra-based substance since it would absorb whatever chakra it encounters, or else it couldn't possibly work as advertised.

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    • Nagato didn't randomly have chainsaws and cannon blast just because he had the Rinnegan Lol. He had to make his body like that similar to a puppeter shinobi, but unlike them, he has the Rinnegan (Asura Path) which makes his body easier to be modified.

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    • Maybe it's not that Naruto has to consciously harden his cloak to prevent weapons/attacks from harming him or Sasuke's sword cutting through his cloak, but he instead needs to selectively let things pass through his cloak. He excludes Sasuke and his sword from the list of things he needs the cloak to block, thus allowing them to bypass through.

      Think about how Shin's weapons impacted Naruto's cloak, and was lodged there for the remainder of the time it was up. Sasuke and his sword (a weapon) were able to pass through with no difficulties. This probably requires an immense amount of concentration though, explaining why his cloak had dropped when he was impaled, as Shin was constantly using his dojutsu to keep him from pulling it out and probably twisting and turning it for the pain to keep Naruto down.

      TL;DR: It's possible Naruto needs to selectively exclude objects in order for them to bypass his cloaks' defenses, whilst preventing everything else from entering. Because of this, his cloak was unable to block his sword.

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    • Vladosaurus wrote: He had to make his body like that similar to a puppeter shinobi, but unlike them, he has the Rinnegan (Asura Path) which makes his body easier to be modified.

      Those weapons don't come from nowhere. They had to be made, somewhere, somehow. We saw that he had an elaborate puppet chair that he rode in and controlled the Paths from, so his own engineering skills are already fairly clear. The Rinnegan allows for all sorts of crazy powers like summoning souls, so i'm not quite sure why he wouldn't be able to be a better smith with it.

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    • @Thekillman True, my point was that those weapons didn't randomly appear withing Nagato overnight, just because he had the rinnegan.

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    • Yes! It must be epic!

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    • Is Sakura really Sarada's mother? Cuz I very much hope it isn't Karin...

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    • TheAnimatorMaverick wrote: Is Sakura really Sarada's mother? Cuz I very much hope it isn't Karin...

      No, she's an experiment of Orochimaru.

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    • So, Sakura isn't Saradas blood mother? Sorry if iam being dumb but I didn't watch the episode :(

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    • If you don't know the story, than wait one more episode and find out. Better not spoil yourself.

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    • Yeah, better wait. The bombastic revelation that she's actually time-travelling, cross-dressing Shisui posing as Sasuke's child is totally worth the wait.

      Oh crap..

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