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  • (I'm French...so...i'm Sorry for my bad writting)

    Well hello everyone !

    after a few theory of the Yang Release, i think i can make more speculation about the other face of the coin: The Yin Release !

    we know that Yin Release can affect the reality to create form out of nothingness. In fact, it can disturb someone by affecting on the perception that he has of the world....that's we call Mental Ninjutsu (or Genjutsu).

    but the Yin Release can also give consistency to something that did not originally. The Nara's Hijutsu allow them to make their shadow tangible (and posses mystic power of mimicry) Or play with the spirit of someone (literally). The Yamanaka's clan can switch their spirit with their victim and can interact with their body.


    And, like we see with the possibilities of Yang Release to be used with other Chakra Nature to give a new Nature (Doton+Suiton+Yang = Mokuton); we can think that it's the same with the Yin Release ! it can change the structure of the Nature to create a variant. Thereby, If we Mix Doton+Yin , that can make the Steel Release (Koton) because metal is a material specific to the earth. Same thing for Katon+Yin, that can make the Scorch Release because of the black flame that the user can move freely with his mind (Enton). And that will explain how Jiraiya and Toad can make Oil if they mix Suiton+Yin. It will be the same thing for a person who want to make Ink like Killer Bee (but Bee don't need any transformation of his Chakra because of his link with Hachibi...who is half-octopus) If we Mix Suiton+Futon+Yin, that can make the Cristal Release (Shoton) on the part of the crystallization process (that can explain why nobody have ever use this Nature of Chakra like the Mokuton).


    well....what do you think everyone ?

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    • Wood release is just water+Earth. It seems that having a strong vitality can make it stronger, but it's not a necessity.

      It seems to me that Yin and Yang release are just nature transforms. Just as the elemental releases force chakra to mimic an element, yin and yang release force chakra to mimic their respective sources.

      In the case of Yin release, it mimics "imagination". That is, it can freely take shape but has little substance. See: Mind transfer, shadowbindings, genjutsu. Note that as Itachi said, one person's reality is another's fantasy, hence the connection to spacetime (reality) and genjutsu (fantasy) as is often seen. It seems reasonable that Amaterasu is also based on this, considering it's a reality-defying ability.

      Izanagi is an ability that combines both, apparently using Yin release to capture a moment and Yang release to restore it.

      Yin-Yang release would thus be a transformation that can basically give chakra any conceivable property.

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    • Wood release is just water+Earth. It seems that having a strong vitality can make it stronger, but it's not a necessity.

      yeah i know...but i have a Theory about why only Ashirama and all those who have his cells can use Mokuton ( http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:245035#5 ). and I made these two topics on a huge common hypothesis


      It seems to me that Yin and Yang release are just nature transforms. Just as the elemental releases force chakra to mimic an element, yin and yang release force chakra to mimic their respective sources.

      In the case of Yin release, it mimics "imagination". That is, it can freely take shape but has little substance. See: Mind transfer, shadowbindings, genjutsu. Note that as Itachi said, one person's reality is another's fantasy, hence the connection to spacetime (reality) and genjutsu (fantasy) as is often seen. It seems reasonable that Amaterasu is also based on this, considering it's a reality-defying ability.

      i think that way too :D. but, in your opinion, is it possible that the nature of which we still do not know its origins can be created from an alteration with the Chakra Yin and/or Yang ?

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    • Davlix wrote:

      yeah i know...but i have a Theory about why only Ashirama and all those who have his cells can use Mokuton

      It seems to me that it's a KKG that has been nearly exterminated from the world, which is why it's rare. And it seems to me Hashirama has just been blessed with powerful genes, which is why his combination of powers is so strong. E.g. he has not just wood release, but also a strong vitality and enough chakra to automatically heal. He is also capable of handling nature energy, which was a 1-in-10 thing. So to me, he got a bunch of powers that synergise well.

      Davlix wrote: i think that way too :D. but, in your opinion, is it possible that the nature of which we still do not know its origins can be created from an alteration with the Chakra Yin and/or Yang ?

      I think Madara used storm release with Yin-Yang release.

      By the way, more people have come up with the Yin/Yang + Element KKG, but the series is very unclear about whether this is the case. IE is it truly a new element or merely a manipulation of an existing element?

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    • Thekillman wrote:

      It seems to me that it's a KKG that has been nearly exterminated from the world, which is why it's rare.

      What ? Don't hashirama be the only one perso know who can use Mokuton in all the Shinobi's world (even in the Senju's Clan)? That's even the reason why Orochimaru and other person uses his genes for gain his power....(Yamato was the only person know to andle the huge amount of energy and can use freely Mokuton)


      Thekillman wrote:And it seems to me Hashirama has just been blessed with powerful genes, which is why his combination of powers is so strong.

      I agreed with the fact that Hashirama was OP XD. He was a reincarnation of Asura, possess a huge Vitality (and so a massive Chakra), can use Senjutsu, and was a master in Ninjutsu, Genjutsu and Taijutsu. But even with all of that, i think there always a logic behind the use of the Chakra, and i think a part of that logic is the Yang Release (who can let Hashirama heal himself and use the mokuton by mixing life energie with the Eart and Water Release)


      Thekillman wrote:IE is it truly a new element or merely a manipulation of an existing element?

      Sorry...i don't understand what "IE" means....can you explain please ?

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    • Davlix wrote:

      What ? Don't hashirama be the only one perso know who can use Mokuton in all the Shinobi's world (even in the Senju's Clan)? That's even the reason why Orochimaru and other person uses his genes for gain his power....(Yamato was the only person know to andle the huge amount of energy and can use freely Mokuton)

      At this time, yea. Seems to me the wood release KKG just died out, with Hashirama being it's last known user.

      Davlix wrote: Sorry...i don't understand what "IE" means....can you explain please ?

      IE (Or proper, "i.e.") is a fancy way of saying "that is,". "e.g." means "For example".

      What i meant is, can we consider things like mud ("Earth style: Mud wall"), lime/lava/rubber, truly different elements because of yin/yang? Mud is used for several earth releases, so does it just fall under "earth release?". Same goes for the lava releases: some use actual lava, some actual rubber, some use quicklime. Are those just lava release, or is some yin/yang manipulation going on?

      The series isn't really clear on yin/yang, especially not yang.

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    • Thekillman wrote: IE (Or proper, "i.e.") is a fancy way of saying "that is,". "e.g." means "For example".

      Hoooooo :o...Nice ! a new thing to learn today :D (thank you ^^)


      Thekillman wrote: What i meant is, can we consider things like mud ("Earth style: Mud wall"), lime/lava/rubber, truly different elements because of yin/yang? Mud is used for several earth releases, so does it just fall under "earth release?"

      Well...in this situation i see thing differently. It will be a mix with Yin or Yang only if that create a new Nature....but things like Mud are not a change of shape....i think that Eart Style have naturaly many form that differ with the user.

      - Compact (Earth): Ordinary appearance of Dôton.

      - Rocky (Stone): The most robust of appearances, but also the least malleable.

      - Clay (Clay): The most malleable of appearances (makes it possible to obtain round or oval constructions). Incredibly robust against blunt attacks, but extremely weak in the face of sharp attacks.

      - Viscous (Mud): The only appearance of Dôton that does not remain once the spell creates. Similar to Suiton, it is necessary to maintain some control over it to enjoy its effects for a long time.


      So...for the Lava Release, everything depends on the shape of the Doton used by the ninja:

      - Rocky -> Molten Rock (Son Goku and Roshi)

      - Viscous -> Acidic (Meï Terumi)

      - Compact -> Quicklime (Kurotsuchi and many other Ninja)

      - Clay -> Rubber (Dodaï)


      Thekillman wrote: The series isn't really clear on yin/yang, especially not yang.

      I sadly aggree with you for that >_<....Damn you Masashi Kishimoto !

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