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  • Sarutobii2
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    16:07, June 10, 2018

    Where was it confirmed Naruto's The Last Chakra Mode is Kurama Mode and not the base Nine-Tails Chakra Mode.

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    • I honestly too wondered about this.The mode Naruto used in the Last did seem to be NTCM + SM rather than KCM + SM from an appearance point of view. By nine-tails chakra mode i mean the chakra mode Naruto first used during the war before befriending Kurama. KCM does have a different appearance than what Naruto used in the Last. This would be further justified by the fact that Kurama was fighting the giant Golem separently from Naruto, so Naruto ddn`t have his cooperation.

      So yes, i believe that Naruto used NTCM, not KCM vs Toneri.

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    • Nope. But considering the timing, it was likely that SPSM's design wasn't final when the movie went in production. Given his feats in the movie (e.g. tanking TSB's), it seems it's just meant to be SPSM.

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    • Not this talk again...Sasuke had his rinnegan and Kakashi had the eye that Naruto gave him in the movie.Naruto`s SPSM and Sasuke`s rinnegan debuted at the exact same time in the manga. In the Last also their showings were minutes apart.Didn`t the Last also appear before the manga was over?

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    • I had the same feeling. Besides, Kurama is separated from Naruto in the fight, they have to be linked for them to use Kurama Chakra Mode.

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    • Vladosaurus wrote: Not this talk again...Sasuke had his rinnegan and Kakashi had the eye that Naruto gave him in the movie.Naruto`s SPSM and Sasuke`s rinnegan debuted at the exact same time in the manga. In the Last also their showings were minutes apart.Didn`t the Last also appear before the manga was over?

      You're comparing things that take up mere minutes of screentime (and thus animation work) compared to Naruto, who spends both a long time and considerable (and complicated) action sequences in his mode. Rinnegan Sasuke or Hokage Kakashi can be drawn in a short time near the end of production. Naruto's mode on the other hand, would likely require months of artist work.

      Production of a movie can take a long time, especially the animation itself. A year isn't much. That puts the start of the movie production around the time SPSM was introduced (give or take a few months).

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    • Littlegen wrote: I had the same feeling. Besides, Kurama is separated from Naruto in the fight, they have to be linked for them to use Kurama Chakra Mode.

      Although it is weird because Naruto still had the vertical Fox-like pupils conjointed with the horizontal frog-like line in the Last. In NTCM Naruto didn`t have the vertical fox-like pupuils. And Naruto also kind of separated Kurama from himself at VOTE2 vs Sasuke, when he used a Kurama shadow clone.Kurama was in control of that shadow clone, shown when he gathered NY for Naruto.I`m assuming he did something similar in the Last.The appearence of the mode is misleading however.

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    • It's clearly Kurama Sage Mode (Kurama Mode + Sage Mode). NTCM doesn't give Naruto thick whisker marks and slitted pupils. The reasoning that it's not doesn't make sense. Kurama can still be linked with Naruto without being inside him. Heck, we don't even know the specifics. Did Naruto split Kurama in half and released one of the halves? Did he create an entire chakra construct for Kurama to control? We don't know. And to be honest, I hated this feat

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    • UltimaDude wrote: It's clearly Kurama Sage Mode (Kurama Mode + Sage Mode). NTCM doesn't give Naruto thick whisker marks and slitted pupils. The reasoning that it's not doesn't make sense. Kurama can still be linked with Naruto without being inside him. Heck, we don't even know the specifics. Did Naruto split Kurama in half and released one of the halves? Did he create an entire chakra construct for Kurama to control? We don't know. And to be honest, I hated this feat

      But that's also the same for Boruto the Movie, despite using two different forms in the movie they both had thick Whiskers and slit eyes. And Naruto released Kurama, after the battle we see Kurama's normal body drawing the Mission complete signal.

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    • Littlegen wrote: But that's also the same for Boruto the Movie, despite using two different forms in the movie they both had thick Whiskers and slit eyes. And Naruto released Kurama, after the battle we see Kurama's normal body drawing the Mission complete signal.

      Naruto used the same form in the Boruto movie which was SPSM. The only reason why they looked different is because his attire changed (he went from zipped jacket with Hokage cloak to unzipped kacket without Hokage cloak). That doesn't really prove anything, becaus efor all we know it could be like a summons thing

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    • UltimaDude wrote:

      Naruto used the same form in the Boruto movie which was SPSM. The only reason why they looked different is because his attire changed (he went from zipped jacket with Hokage cloak to unzipped kacket without Hokage cloak). That doesn't really prove anything, becaus efor all we know it could be like a summons thing

      The cloak is not SPSM. SPSM is signified by the cross pupils with no pigmantation around the eyes.

      We havent seen the cloak he used in the end of the war since the then(the one where the skin doesnt glow). Simce the forms we have seen si ce the. Have glowing skin, its most likely that he is usimg KCM without including the chakra from all the other Tailed Beasts.

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    • UltimaDude wrote:

      Littlegen wrote: But that's also the same for Boruto the Movie, despite using two different forms in the movie they both had thick Whiskers and slit eyes. And Naruto released Kurama, after the battle we see Kurama's normal body drawing the Mission complete signal.

      Naruto used the same form in the Boruto movie which was SPSM. The only reason why they looked different is because his attire changed (he went from zipped jacket with Hokage cloak to unzipped kacket without Hokage cloak). That doesn't really prove anything, becaus efor all we know it could be like a summons thing

      He's still separated from Kurama. Naruto's Seal is open, Kurama can leave anytime he wants, he just needs to leave Naruto a portion of his Chakra so he doesn't die.

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    • LegionZero wrote: The cloak is not SPSM. SPSM is signified by the cross pupils with no pigmantation around the eyes.

      We havent seen the cloak he used in the end of the war since the then(the one where the skin doesnt glow). Simce the forms we have seen si ce the. Have glowing skin, its most likely that he is usimg KCM without including the chakra from all the other Tailed Beasts.

      I'm talking about the entire form (which includes the cloak). You can't say that it's SPSM with Kurama Sage Mode cloak, that sounds redundant. And as you just said, SPSM is anything with cross-pupils with no pigmentation, regardless of the cloak or not.

      In the Boruto movie, Naruto, in his chakra cloak, had cross-pupils with no pigmentation, meaning he was using SPSM. The differences in the two cloaks he used in the movie are because of the change in attire, but the modes are both SPSM.

      Littlegen wrote: He's still separated from Kurama. Naruto's Seal is open, Kurama can leave anytime he wants, he just needs to leave Naruto a portion of his Chakra so he doesn't die.

      Again we don't know the specifics. Also the seal is not open, it's jist that Kurama is not restrained

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    • Does it really matter if The Last mode was chakra mode or Kurama mode? EDIT: Although I don't think Naruto has shown the ability to enter chakra mode since he attained Kurama mode, Kurama mode is chakra mode 2 anyway, so why would he use the weaker form?

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    • @ultima: the chakra cloak is not part of SPSM. He can have SPSM active with no cloak. The cloak comes from the Bijuu chakra, in the case of Boruto/The last, he used KCM.

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    • The eyes are the biggest signifier of SPSM, as the other signifiers are inconsistent. SPSM has the Kurama cloak, and crossed eyes, but with no markings around the eyes themselves. Kurama Chakra Mode V1 and 2 has the markings around the eyes. Naruto is also flying in this movie and he cannot do that without SPSM, so he was using SPSM with Kurama Mode, the eyes were just different because of inconsistensies.

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    • We have seen characters fly without SPSM, sometimes it's just for teh effect.

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    • FlatZone wrote: The eyes are the biggest signifier of SPSM, as the other signifiers are inconsistent. SPSM has the Kurama cloak, and crossed eyes, but with no markings around the eyes themselves. Kurama Chakra Mode V1 and 2 has the markings around the eyes. Naruto is also flying in this movie and he cannot do that without SPSM, so he was using SPSM with Kurama Mode, the eyes were just different because of inconsistensies.

      KCM doesnt have markings around the eyes

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    • Elveonora wrote: Does it really matter if The Last mode was chakra mode or Kurama mode? EDIT: Although I don't think Naruto has shown the ability to enter chakra mode since he attained Kurama mode, Kurama mode is chakra mode 2 anyway, so why would he use the weaker form?

      He has in the war, when Kurama needs to gather more Chakra to use.

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    • Elveonora wrote: We have seen characters fly without SPSM, sometimes it's just for teh effect.

      Such as when?

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    • UltimaDude wrote: It's clearly Kurama Sage Mode (Kurama Mode + Sage Mode).

      Design wise? Yea. Feat-wise, it seems to me like it was simply meant to be SPSM, but they lacked the final designs when they went in production. Naruto was only shown easily interacting with TSB's (e.g. kicking them) in SPSM. I find it more believable he tanked that giant golden sword in SPSM (where he has aforementioned resilience against TSB's ) than KSM. Similarly, it makes no sense that he whips out SPSM at every point since then, even against the comparably weak Shin, yet resorts to an inferior form for a fight against a nigh-god-like entity.

      Hence my earlier comment: The Last's mode is supposed to be SPSM, even though it's not drawn that way.

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    • Thekillman wrote: Design wise? Yea. Feat-wise, it seems to me like it was simply meant to be SPSM, but they lacked the final designs when they went in production. Naruto was only shown easily interacting with TSB's (e.g. kicking them) in SPSM. I find it more believable he tanked that giant golden sword in SPSM (where he has aforementioned resilience against TSB's ) than KSM. Similarly, it makes no sense that he whips out SPSM at every point since then, even against the comparably weak Shin, yet resorts to an inferior form for a fight against a nigh-god-like entity.

      Hence my earlier comment: The Last's mode is supposed to be SPSM, even though it's not drawn that way.

      What evidence do you have that they lacked the designs for SPSM? Countering/resisting TSBs is not exclusive to those with SPS, you need at least standard senjutsu. We've seen how a younger and weaker KSM Naruto (with only half of Kurama) dealt with TSBs. Here, in The Last, Naruto is much much stronger and has a complete Kurama and a mastery fo SM. So doesn't it make sense that he has a better time dealing with TSBs? Not to mention, aside from the Golden Reincarnation Wheel, Toneri's use of the TSBs were not that impressive. Naruto using SPSM in the Boruto movie/manga/anime is irrelevant.

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    • I think it was Six Paths Sage Mode + Nine-Tails Chakra Mode.

      After the Fourth Shinobi World War, SPSM-NTCM changed design. At first his skin was not coated in chakra, however, after the war at some point, his skin would be coated in chakra. Heck, during the Ōtsutsuki invasion, it changed designs twice (both had his skin coated in chakra).

      I prefer it without his skin coated in chakra, it looks cooler. It would be cool if there was a Tenseigan Chakra Mode without chakra coating skin.

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    • I'm pretty sure the Boruto movie 'designs' were simply errors. I'm certain that the anime will stick with Kishimoto's Gaiden design.

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    • Gavin The Otter wrote: I think it was Six Paths Sage Mode + Nine-Tails Chakra Mode.

      After the Fourth Shinobi World War, SPSM-NTCM changed design. At first his skin was not coated in chakra, however, after the war at some point, his skin would be coated in chakra. Heck, during the Ōtsutsuki invasion, it changed designs twice (both had his skin coated in chakra).

      I prefer it without his skin coated in chakra, it looks cooler. It would be cool if there was a Tenseigan Chakra Mode without chakra coating skin.

      Yep. Off the design He is using SPSM-KCM

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    • Thekillman wrote:

      UltimaDude wrote: It's clearly Kurama Sage Mode (Kurama Mode + Sage Mode).

      Design wise? Yea. Feat-wise, it seems to me like it was simply meant to be SPSM, but they lacked the final designs when they went in production. Naruto was only shown easily interacting with TSB's (e.g. kicking them) in SPSM. I find it more believable he tanked that giant golden sword in SPSM (where he has aforementioned resilience against TSB's ) than KSM. Similarly, it makes no sense that he whips out SPSM at every point since then, even against the comparably weak Shin, yet resorts to an inferior form for a fight against a nigh-god-like entity.

      Hence my earlier comment: The Last's mode is supposed to be SPSM, even though it's not drawn that way.

      You just need Six Paths Chakra to resist Gudodama. Sasuke could touch Naruto's without it messing with his Chakra.

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    • Both Sage Mode and 6 Paths chakra resist TSB. Naruto has both.

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    • Sarutobii2
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    • Hard to tell due to not having a cloak on him but it makes little sense for him to use a weaker variant of the form especially considering he summoned Kurama's chakra avatar.

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    • Sakura got stabbed by a TSB and healed her wound by her self. The only thing that was ever stated to counter TSB is NY.

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    • Vladosaurus wrote: Sakura got stabbed by a TSB and healed her wound by her self.

      That scene honestly irked me with how inconsistent they were portraying TSBs.

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    • UltimaDude wrote:

      Vladosaurus wrote: Sakura got stabbed by a TSB and healed her wound by her self.

      That scene honestly irked me with how inconsistent they were portraying TSBs.

      Why? They're not Ash-Killing Bone, they don't disintegrate the target, only erase what they touch. You should be mad she didn't fall through and ended up split in two. Her healing it is fine as well. It wasn't presently there so she could heal it.

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    • Littlegen wrote: Why? They're not Ash-Killing Bone, they don't disintegrate the target, only erase what they touch. You should be mad she didn't fall through and ended up split in two. Her healing it is fine as well. It wasn't presently there so she could heal it.

      That's kind of the same thing. TSBs were presented as things that kill you from merely touching it. Yet, Sakura was impaled through the abdomen by one with no adverse effects and treated it as if it was any ordinary weapon

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    • They're only as dangerous as their shape and intent is. If Madara made that a straight shield her arm would be gone.

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    • Littlegen wrote: They're only as dangerous as their shape and intent is. If Madara made that a straight shield her arm would be gone.

      I doubt that

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    • TSB were never a kill on contact type of weapon. It would only nullify what came into direct contact with it so only the area that was touching it wouldnt be healed, but that was such a small area that it was inconsequencial and once she stopped touching it she would heal.

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    • Starscream1998 wrote: Hard to tell due to not having a cloak on him but it makes little sense for him to use a weaker variant of the form especially considering he summoned Kurama's chakra avatar.

      Yup, which is why i think it's simply an animation thing. He used SPSM on the kid shin, and against Momoshiki/Kinshiki. If he does that, why would he rely on an inferior form against a greater threat?

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    • tbh I just want to see Naruto fight in Base and/or regular Sage Mode and reserve his higher modes like some kind of semi-secret trump card.

      Then when he does enter SPSM, you know shit hit the fan. I also wish they kept Sasuke's Rinnegan a secret as well.

      Have Naruto use jutsu from all 5 chakra natures + his regular KKG's in Base form, make him more versatile.

      Then when the enemy thinks he has the upper hand against the Hokage, Naruto just one ups him while they yell

      NANI?!

      Personally would be more bad ass for me.

      Yes, entering SPSM for everything does make sense, but not really what I always want to see...

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    • HereComDatBoi wrote: tbh I just want to see Naruto fight in Base and/or regular Sage Mode and reserve his higher modes like some kind of semi-secret trump card.

      I agree. Power without drawbacks is boring. Back when Naruto could use Kurama's power at the cost of his free will, that was interesting. Back when Sharingan either cost chakra or the MS made you blind, you knew every use of a dojutsu meant something. Now it feels rather bland. I mean, i'm happy Sasuke can't just spam Amenotejikara and so there's a level of strategy that was lacking previously, but he's still pretty insanely powerful.

      Naruto is worse because his usual weakness (he could spam but lacked power, or he could have power but not his crafty nature) is now completely gone. there's no downside to SPSM, no downside to KCM, no downside to Sage Mode. There's zero cost to everything he does.

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    • Naruto and Sasuke are supposed to be the two most powerful ninja currently alive, so of course they would be OP. Also the answer has been answered, The Last mode indeed is Kurama Mode + Sage Mode. I suppose The Last mode is just what Kurama's mode looks like with the whole Kurama, both halves.

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    • Yes, but the screenwriters can totally show their strength without having them always spamming their most powerful abilities every fight.

      Every time Naruto enters SPSM, I'm just like meh.

      It would be nice seeing (we already know) as a powerful Kage-tier ninja without all of his modes.

      He was like this during The Last, where he literally only entered his chakra mode while fighting Toneri and a giant golem. The entire movie he remained in Base.

      And I agree, It would make it all the more exciting if he had a drawback.

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    • Elveonora wrote: Naruto and Sasuke are supposed to be the two most powerful ninja currently alive, so of course they would be OP.

      It's perfectly possible to be OP yet have costs. Nagato was OP yet he had drawbacks to his jutsu. Obito with Rinnegan was OP yet he had drawbacks. Hell, even KCM naruto had a drawback, as did Sage Mode naruto.

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    • They're supposed to be gods yet the series doesnt treat them that way. But thats off topic.

      Elveonora wrote: the answer has been answered, The Last mode indeed is Kurama Mode + Sage Mode. I suppose The Last mode is just what Kurama's mode looks like with the whole Kurama, both halves.

      It was? Did you mean the scan, cause I can't read that.

      Edit: I found this Translation, http://honyakusha-eri.tumblr.com/post/109949209788/narutos-movie-guide-profile

      Kurama Chakra Mode

      Naruto exhibits overwhelming power when borrowing massive amounts of chakra from Kurama, who is sealed within him. Furthermore, when used in conjunction with “sennin mode,” it drastically increases his sensory ability and the power of the ninjutsu he employs…!!

      Caption for Naruto in Kurama chakra mode: The Shishou Fuuin becomes visible, and his chakra overflows like flames.

      Before: In the height of the Fourth Great Ninja War, he and his long-time enemy Kurama to fight a common battle…!!

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    • Littlegen wrote: Edit: I found this Translation, http://honyakusha-eri.tumblr.com/post/109949209788/narutos-movie-guide-profile

      Kurama Chakra Mode

      Hence my suspicions about the mode. The text seems to be written by someone who is unaware about the meaning of the bandages (it's not his arm, it's a prosthetic arm) or the existence of SPSM.

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    • Of course they were aware of the prosthetic arm while the databook was written. It just means that Naruto purposely wears the bandages on his prosthetic arm. An outsider might think his arm is wounded hence looking painful, but the reason behind the bandages is symbolic, not because of a wound.

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    • Thekillman wrote:

      Littlegen wrote: Edit: I found this Translation, http://honyakusha-eri.tumblr.com/post/109949209788/narutos-movie-guide-profile

      Kurama Chakra Mode

      Hence my suspicions about the mode. The text seems to be written by someone who is unaware about the meaning of the bandages (it's not his arm, it's a prosthetic arm) or the existence of SPSM.

      Prosthetic or not, it is his arm. Not sure how this invalidates any of the translation.

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    • The definition of the mode perfectly matches the initial Kurama Chakra Mode.

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    • LegionZero wrote: Prosthetic or not, it is his arm. Not sure how this invalidates any of the translation.

      I'm not saying it's invalid. I'm saying that i get the impression things don't add up. I get that not everyone shares that impression, that's perfectly fine. I just find the use of an inferior mode, the description, later uses of SPSM at vastly inferior foes, and the timing of the movie compared to the reveal of SPSM such that i am suspicious.

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    • I mean, the only dumb moment when Naruto used SPSM was against Shin, and actually he didn`t use any SPSM ability. He only used Kurama`s chakra to protect Sarada and ChoCho. Against Momoshiki was understandable why he used it.He had to protect the entire village and afterwards he fought a TTJ level + opponent in Momoshiki (Kinshiki absorbed).

      In the Last he did display plenty of BASE form feats that justified his abilities without power-ups.Besides that, he only had a brief encouter against Boruto so that he can test the artificial tech-hand that can absorb ninjutsu.

      Oh yes, and another dumb moment to use SPSM was when he caught that bandit in the anime. But you can make the argument that he only needed the speed required to catch the train all the way from the village.

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