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  • Like, one is a sword. A metal one. The other is a chakra sword, right?

    I mean is the fact that they're both swords... with blades... the only thing that they have in common? How is that a relevant comparison?

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    • Just my 2 cents. The fact that Orochimaru himself was aware of and looking for Totsuka Blade, should be significant. If I were to guess, the Totsuka Blade might have origins within Ryuchi Cave. Perhaps any sword originating from the snakes is 'a' Sword of Kusanagi, hence why Orochimaru's and Sasuke's and Itachi's all are Kusanagi Swords, makes sense?

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    • Wasn't that a translation error?

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    • No, that's the correct translation, the error was that they said Totsuka Blade is a counter to Sword of Kusanagi.

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    • Then I must have misunderstood the nature of the Totsuka Blade. I thought it was something that came with Susanoo, like Amaterasu or the Yata mirror. How could Orochimaru have been searching for it? It's like someone saying they've been searching for Asuma's chakra blades - not the knives - the blades he makes through the knives.

      Also has it ever been stated Itachi was at Ryuchi?

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    • David Kibasennin wrote: Then I must have misunderstood the nature of the Totsuka Blade. I thought it was something that came with Susanoo, like Amaterasu or the Yata mirror. How could Orochimaru have been searching for it? It's like someone saying they've been searching for Asuma's chakra blades - not the knives - the blades he makes through the knives.

      Also has it ever been stated Itachi was at Ryuchi?

      That's really a misunderstanding. Amaterasu and Yata Mirror are two completely different examples. Amaterasu is a technique that is used through the Mangekyo Sharingan. Yata Mirror isn't a technique, but an actual artifact. It's not an iheritant part of the Susanoo technique, it's a real, separate weapon. It somehow got integrated into Itachi's Susanoo, but it wasn't an automatical part of it. The same can be said about Totsuka blade. There are 3 main proofs:

      a) Black Zetsu comments on the weapons as on the legendary artifacts, not as on the weapons simply exclusive to Itachi's Susanoo.

      b) BZ also mentioned that Orochimaru was searching for Totsuka blade the whole life, and the latter was shocked when he realised that the sword was in Itachi's possession, which means that the blade once existed separately from Itachi and his Susanoo.

      c) Different Susanoo users have demonstated a whole myriade of possible Susanoo weapons of different kinds, but neither of these weapons was reffered as an artifact with its own name so far.

      P. S. The connection of the "Kusanagi" brand to the Ryuchi cave is only an assumption. However, Itachi is at least familiar with the Ryuchi cave as a place, since he quickly realised that it was the place Kabuto has been to in order to learn senjutsu.

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    • Alright, did some digging. I think this one relates to the Japanese myth specifically.

      Totsuka sword doesn't refer to a specific blade, but a type of sword of which several appear in myth. The notable one however, comes up in the legend of Yamata no Orochi.

      Susanoo uses a Totsuka sword called Ama-no-Habakiri to lop off Orochi's heads and tails, in which he finds the Kusanagi sword. This is also probably why the Totsuka is summoned from a gourd since Susanoo got Orochi drunk in order to kill him.

      So in relation to Naruto, we're literally dealing with one sword (Kusanagi) that is derived from the feats of the other. The obvious parallel being when Itachi sealed Orochimaru's Orochi form into the Totsuka.

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    • ... yeah but that still doesn't change the fact that they share no feats.

      Totsuka sword seals. And that's it. Right? Kusanagi expands, can be telekinetically lifted, and is incredibly resistant.

      The only thing they have in common is the fact that they're swords.

      Is this, like, a plot point that Kishimoto just dropped, and that's why we don't have enough info on it?

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    • Totsuka is a kind of sword, both sword are part of this category.

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    • As I said, all those swords most likely originate from Ryuchi Cave. How Itachi got his is to anyone's guess.

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    • David Kibasennin wrote: ... yeah but that still doesn't change the fact that they share no feats.

      Critically, they do share one: Both Itachi's and Orochimaru's swords could be incorporated into jutsu. Orochimaru can make his snake use copies. Itachi could make his Susanoo wield the weapon.

      David Kibasennin wrote:

      Is this, like, a plot point that Kishimoto just dropped, and that's why we don't have enough info on it?

      Totsuka and Yata have a whole bunch of info in the databook that doesn't really work with the manga. So yea, i think this is fairly safe to say.

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    • Considering that Naruto has dealt with physical aspects and spiritual aspects (mostly in the form of Yang chakra and Yin chakra) for a long time, could it be that it's meant in the sense that the Sword of Kusanagi is focused on physical attributes and the Totsuka Blade is focused on spiritual attributes? I like the theories presented by others so far; I just wanted to add my two cents and see what everyone thinks.

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    • The question i have is if the Totsuka Blade existed before Itachi, how was it that Itachi acquired it and incorporated it into his Susanoo. If Sasuke found Orochimaru's sword could he just give it to his Susanoo?

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    • Raidra wrote: could it be that it's meant in the sense that the Sword of Kusanagi is focused on physical attributes and the Totsuka Blade is focused on spiritual attributes?

      I think so, yes.

      Littlegen wrote: The question i have is if the Totsuka Blade existed before Itachi, how was it that Itachi acquired it and incorporated it into his Susanoo. If Sasuke found Orochimaru's sword could he just give it to his Susanoo?

      Unknown. For some reason, Obito wasn't able to steal the weapons from Itachi's dead body, and he had it in the afterlife. So it seems a safe bet that there's more to the weapons than merely storing them.

      As to the weapon of a Susanoo... It seems the Susanoo takes on a weapon that fits the user, so there's probably no unique reason that Sasuke's has a bow. Meaning, if he had some other weapon that could be incorporated into a jutsu then yes he could probably use a sword (or other weapon) with his Susanoo.

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