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  • - Both are bloodlusted.

    - Itachi is in his prime and suffers from no illness, has his original Chakra reserves and can use his MS abilities to the fullest.

    - Naruto is from the Current arc.

    - Naruto can't use RSM / SPSM. But can use BM+SM ( With full Kurama )

    This might sound ridiculous but actual reason I made this thread was because I legit saw some people saying that Itachi can beat Naruto with Tsukuyomi ( And obviously Totsuka Blade and Yata Mirror ) and that Naruto can't counter it since he doesn't have MS lmao. I want to know what others think.

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    • BM+SM is so overkill is not even funny.

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    • Believe it or not, I legit saw people saying that even SPSM Naruto cannot defeat Itachi. They keep saying that Naruto still has no way of countering Tsukuyomi, Totsuka Blade and Yata Mirror.

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    • Arturia00000 wrote: Believe it or not, I legit saw people saying that even SPSM Naruto cannot defeat Itachi. They keep saying that Naruto still has no way of countering Tsukuyomi, Totsuka Blade and Yata Mirror.

      No way to counter Tsukuyomi...except shadow clones, Kurama, SM, even sheer will at this point. And Yata Mirror can adapt to the chakra nature and rival every jutsu, yes, except rasengan and and TBB don't have a chakra nature, and last time I checked Naruto's base rasengan killed a God. Not to mention that Itachi's Susanoo doesn't have legs, and Naruto can easily infiltrate inside it by sending shadow clones underground, as he did so many times. And if Momoshiki with the byakugan and Rinnegan can't see them underground, Itachi surely won't be able to.

      At this point base Naruto beats Itachi honestly. SM and and everything above is overkill.

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    • Hardly a surprise, to be honest. There are people who legit believe Itachi can take down EMS Madara. BSM Naruto is on the same tier with him, though I'd argue now that he's more experienced he's even stronger than him.

      As for the fight at hand, Naruto of course. He has so many counters to Itachi's jutsu at this point in time it's not even funny. He has two modes of adept sensing; Kurama's negative emotions sensing and Sage Mode sensing, so Tsukuyomi's out of the table. Even if Tsukuyomi SOMEHOW hits him, it's not even a sure thing since Bijuu have shown to dilate time themselves several times when inside a Jinchuuriki, one such occasion being when Naruto was drawing chakra to summon Gamabunta back in the early days (chapter 95). So, there's a possibility that Kyuubi can repel Itachi's Tsukuyomi before he does too much damage. That said, this is purely speculation so I'd understand if it's not considered a feat - still, the sensing oughta do the trick.

      Amaterasu? NTCM's speed has evidently surpassed both Minato's FTG and the Raikage's LCM. Coupled with his danger sensing, he can easily avoid it. Plus, he can also shed his Kurama cloak, same strategy he used against Sasuke.

      Susanoo? Bijuu bomb. Though I'd love to hear about how Yata Mirror can repel it or how Itachi's Susanoo is so fast that he can use Totsuka to seal Kurama in it.

      Hell, Naruto doesn't even have to show up personally. Even one of his clones could mid to high diff Itachi at this point. Not downplaying Itachi in anyway - I do believe he gets wanked a lot, but this is more like me asserting how incredibly OP Naruto is when compared to the greats of the past generation. He could probably low diff the last two Kage with these feats.

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    • Itachi doesn't have the chakra levels to win this fight without Tsukuyomi or SoT landing. He may last a long while due to his intelligence, quick thinking, and clone switching speed. But unless he lands Tsukuyomi, or Sword of Totsuka before he runs out of chakra.. he can't win.

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    • Naruto has too much intel on him he most likey get's stomped or overwhelmed.

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    • An unbalanced fight, Naruto is just too strong at this point. Also, even if Tsukuyomi lands, Naruto has enough regeneration to void it's effects.

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    • Lol. Naruto ragdolls Itachi's ass. Tsukuyomi can be blocked by not meeting the eye. Amaterasu is too slow for Naruto. Yata mirror is weak against Naruto's attacks. Totsuka is too slow.

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    • Lol, people really think itachi can do something against naruto? I thought this whole "soloking itachi" thing was just a meme..

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    • PuziFuzi wrote: Lol, people really think itachi can do something against naruto? I thought this whole "soloking itachi" thing was just a meme..

      The meme was born due to fan perception of Itachi. He's basically the Chuck Norris of Narutoverse, if people actually used Chuck Norris' meme feats in serious discussions about his actual strength.

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    • Ikbalsinghdhanjal wrote: Yata mirror is weak against Naruto's attacks. Totsuka is too slow.

      lol

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    • Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

      Ikbalsinghdhanjal wrote: Yata mirror is weak against Naruto's attacks. Totsuka is too slow.

      lol

      Totsuka is light speed? Yata mirror can be broken using senjutsu considering they have the same composition.

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    • Yata Mirror has never been broken, nor has it ever been stated to be able to be broken. Same composition?? No. You are spouting a lot, with no proof at all. Also It is said to reflect, not just block.

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    • FlatZone wrote: Yata Mirror has never been broken, nor has it ever been stated to be able to be broken. Same composition?? No. You are spouting a lot, with no proof at all. Also It is said to reflect, not just block.

      He's assuming Yata Mirror operates under the same principles as Truth Seeking Balls which could also change chakra natures to nullify attacks, but was impervious to Senjutsu. While that would make a lot of sense, it'd also be a little hesitant to jump to that conclusion.

      On the other hand though, Yata Mirror is rather featless for all the hype it got. We saw it deflect Orochimaru's basic serpent attacks and paper bombs. After that, Itachi never used it for some reason. Using databook feats is pointless since they're pretty inconsistent and often clash with the manga canon, such as stating that you need both Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi to awaken the Susano'o or that no jutsu can stand against Amaterasu, in spite of Jiraiya sealing it in it's debut and Pain absorbing it with his Preta Path. Yes, it has never been broken because Itachi's never been shown to fight an opponent that's even close to BSM Naruto when it comes to destructive capabilities. A Sage-enhanced Bijuudama should do the trick against it as it does not have a chakra nature. Plus, that jutsu probably has more chakra than Itachi's entire stock. He shouldn't be able to withstand it.

      As for Totsuka Blade, Base Naruto managed to keep up with fused Momoshiki (even though barely) who had blitzed the Four Kage prior to that. BSM Naruto's not gonna get caught off-guard by that thing. Even so, the blade's biggest feats are sealing Orochimaru and then later Nagato - it's not likely Itachi's Armored Susano'o could suddenly take in that amount of chakra.

      One more thing, it was never stated Yata Mirror can reflect attacks. It was stated that it can deflect them. It's a big difference.

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    • Ikbalsinghdhanjal wrote: Totsuka is light speed? Yata mirror can be broken using senjutsu considering they have the same composition.

      Did i say that?....and where is your proof ..

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    • The fight can go eitehr way honestly. Naruto isn't the type of person who would stand right there and take the hits. Infact, Naruto already knows how Itachi's Susanno works, so it's obvoius that he would avoid the blade at all times. Naruto has also shown to be able to outsmart enemies smarter than him. Sometime it doesn't work. Naruto also does have Shadow clones, and Itachi can't tell the difference between the original (No the Sharingan doesn't help, it was proven. Same goes for sensory, but it can detect two chakra). So Naruto have countless way to counter these attack without getting hit. As for Itachi's most powerful Genjutsu, it is still a Genjutsu, there is a good chance Kurama can still break him out. We also got Amaterasu, which if it, Naruto can use some chakra cloak from Kurama to remove it, as seen against Sasuke. So Naruto has a ton of way to avoid and counter Itachi, which gives out Hokage a win,

      But, Itachi can still win if Naruto ever messes up and gets stabbed by Itachi sword, or if the Tsukomyi can't be broken by Kurama also. Over all as said, the battle can go either way. Even if Naruto is limited in abilities.

      It should be noted that in blood lust or not, Naruto Knows how dangerous a Sharingan or even a MS is, and would instantly try to end the battle before Itachi can do anything.

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    • That's pretty cool thread op but...

      Is there a character that could even possibly EVEN TOUCH Madara Uchiha? Let alone defeat him. And I'm not talking about Edo Tensei Uchiha Madara. I'm not talking about Gedou Rinne Tensei Uchiha Madara either. Hell, I'm not even talking about Juubi Jinchuuriki Gedou Rinne Tensei Uchiha Madara with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan and Rinnegan doujutsus (with the rikodou abilities and being capable of both Amateratsu and Tsukuyomi genjutsu), equipped with his Gunbai, a perfect Susano'o, control of the juubi and Gedou Mazou, with Hashirama Senju's DNA implanted in him so he has mokuton kekkei genkai and can perform yin yang release ninjutsu while being an expert in kenjutsu and taijutsu. I’m also not talking about Kono Yo no Kyūseishu Futarime no Rikudō Juubi Jinchuuriki Gedou Rinne Tensei Uchiha Madara with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan (which is capable of Enton Amaterasu, Izanagi, Izanami and the Tsyukuyomi Genjutsu), his two original Rinnegan (which grant him Chikushōdō, Shuradō, Tendō, Ningendō, Jigokudō, Gakidō, Gedō, Banshō Ten’in, Chibaku Tensei, Shinra Tensei, Tengai Shinsei and Banbutsu Sōzō) and a third Tomoe Rinnegan on his forehead, capable of using Katon, Fūton, Raiton, Doton, Suiton, Mokuton, Ranton, Inton, Yōton and even Onmyōton Jutsu, equipped with his Gunbai(capable of using Uchihagaeshi) and a Shakujō because he is a master in kenjutsu and taijutsu, a perfect Susano’o (that can use Yasaka no Magatama ), control of both the Juubi and the Gedou Mazou, with Hashirama Senju’s DNA and face implanted on his chest, his four Rinbo Hengoku Clones guarding him and nine Gudōdama floating behind him AFTER he absorbed Senjutsu from the First Hokage, entered Rikudō Senjutsu Mode, cast Mugen Tsukuyomi on everybody and used Shin: Jukai Kōtan so he can use their Chakra while they are under Genjutsu. I'm definitely NOT Talking about sagemode sage of the six paths Juubi Jinchuuriki Gedou Rinne Tensei Super Saiyan 4 Uchiha Madara with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan, Rinnegan, Mystic Eyes of Death Perception, and Geass doujutsus, equipped with Shining Trapezohedron while casting Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann as his Susanoo, controlling the Gold Experience Requiem stand, having become the original vampire after Alucard, able to tap into the speedforce, wearing the Kamen Rider Black RX suit and Gedou Mazou, with Hashirama Senju's DNA implanted in him so he has mokuton kekkei genkai and can perform yin yang release ninjutsu while being an expert in kenjutsu and taijutsu and having eaten Popeye's spinach. I'm talking about sagemode sage of the six paths Juubi Jinchuuriki Gedou Rinne Tensei Legendary Super Saiyan 4 Uchiha Madara with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan, Rinnegan, Mystic Eyes of Death Perception, and Geass doujutsus, equipped with his Shining Trapezohedron while casting Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann as his Susanoo, controlling the Gold Experience Requiem stand, having become the original vampire after having absorbed Alucard as well as a God Hand, able to tap into the speedforce, wearing the Kamen Rider Black RX suit, with Kryptonian DNA implanted in him and having eaten Popeye's spinach while possessing quantum powers like Dr. Manhattan and having mastered Hokuto Shinken.

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    • Not to long ago there was a topic where most people decided that BSM Naruto could take on the whole Akatsuki and now there are people who claim that Itachi alone even stands a chance. Yeah, right...

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    • Vladosaurus wrote: Not to long ago there was a topic where most people decided that BSM Naruto could take on the whole Akatsuki and now there are people who claim that Itachi alone even stands a chance. Yeah, right...

      I was one of the few that has stated that just BSM Naruto would have trouble against those like Itachi, Kisame and Pain and Obito.

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    • As shown with Obito and Madara, fighting BSM Naruto doesn't require you to have to outspeed or outdo him in physical strength, hell they didn't even match him in those regards. You just need to understand your opponent is stronger/faster than you and fight accordingly. Itachi would KNOW that since he fought NTCM Naruto. He doesn't ever underestimate Naruto anymore. You all think he'll act like some angry moron and rush into battle without figuring out how strong/fast his opponent it. He uses Crow Clones and Shadow Clones to gauge opponents abilities, he did this with Naruto in the beginning of P1 and when Naruto was looking for Sasuke later on, he did it with Sasuke before their fight began and even during the fight. Against BSM Naruto he still has a chance, against SPSM Naruto? Nope. Base Hokage Naruto? He definitely has a high chance of winning. Now if we were referring to a less intelligent or strategic shinobi then they would have no chance in hell.

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    • Yes, BSM Naruto who with almost the entire Nine-tails removed from him beat Toneri (who was more or less TTJ level) would lose to Itachi.Sure. Also bringing teen NTCM Naruto feats into discussion is pointless.Even the difference between BM Naruto (not even BSM) and NTCM NAruto is huge. The difference between the Last Naruto/ Hokage Naruto and 4th war Naruto is oceanic. Even 4th war BM Naruto beats Itachi. To discuss the adult version of Naruto doesn't even make sense. The chance of Itachi beating him are slim to 0. Only if Naruto has absolutely no intel on him, fights like a joke, doesn't use his powers and completely underestimates him. Which is not the case.

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    • Naruto had Hamura's chakra, from Hinata boosting him. He also was using his chakra cloak in that fight. He could also only beat Toneri at all thanks to Hamura's chakra. That same Naruto, pre Hamura chakra got WHOOPED by base Toneri. So yes, sure.

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    • FlatZone wrote: As shown with Obito and Madara, fighting BSM Naruto doesn't require you to have to outspeed or outdo him in physical strength, hell they didn't even match him in those regards. You just need to understand your opponent is stronger/faster than you and fight accordingly. Itachi would KNOW that since he fought NTCM Naruto. He doesn't ever underestimate Naruto anymore. You all think he'll act like some angry moron and rush into battle without figuring out how strong/fast his opponent it. He uses Crow Clones and Shadow Clones to gauge opponents abilities, he did this with Naruto in the beginning of P1 and when Naruto was looking for Sasuke later on, he did it with Sasuke before their fight began and even during the fight. Against BSM Naruto he still has a chance, against SPSM Naruto? Nope. Base Hokage Naruto? He definitely has a high chance of winning. Now if we were referring to a less intelligent or strategic shinobi then they would have no chance in hell.

      TO point out, I said the battle can go both ways. Even if ITachi didn't underistamate Naruto, he could still lose to Naruto. Same with Naruto who wouldn't underistmate Itachi. So I am not saying he would be in rage attack. But the forum said bloodlust. so yeah.

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    • FlatZone wrote: Naruto had Hamura's chakra, from Hinata boosting him. He also was using his chakra cloak in that fight. He could also only beat Toneri at all thanks to Hamura's chakra. That same Naruto, pre Hamura chakra got WHOOPED by base Toneri. So yes, sure.

      Toneri’s orb absorbed Naruto’s chakra in an instance. Considering the fact that Naruto has a lot more chakra than almost anybody else ( excluding Kaguya and maybe fused Momoshiki), almost anybody (except Kaguya and Hamura himself) would get whooped by Toneri’s orb.That’s the logic. So yeah. Excluding the orb, Naruto beat Toneri. Not to mention that had this been an actual fight to the death, Naruto could’ve finished Toneri after his Asura fist, but instead he choosed to pull a talk no jutsu with Hinata.And again, this was Naruto who didn’t have almost the entire Nine tails.

      Honestly, this battle is at best mid-dif for Naruto. Itachi is couple tiers beneath him.

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    • FlatZone wrote: Naruto had Hamura's chakra, from Hinata boosting him. He also was using his chakra cloak in that fight. He could also only beat Toneri at all thanks to Hamura's chakra. That same Naruto, pre Hamura chakra got WHOOPED by base Toneri. So yes, sure.

      Base Hokage Naruto with like half his and Kurama's chakra left was able to hold off Momohiki. Itachi would not be able to do the same.

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    • Lmao Hamura's Chakra barely gave any boost to Naruto. It was only used to destroy the Tenseigan Vessel. Also, Naruto had lost a lot of Chakra earlier due to Toneri's attack. If anything, Hinata's Chakra simply restored Naruto's Chakra close to his actual full reserves. That's it.

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    • Please tell me this is a joke, People Itachi is definitely strong but naruto is definitely peaking or ending his peak when he is a Hokage. It is not even logical at this point, there are too many plot holes in Itachi's character. Naruto would definitely win.

      And naruto had a lot less then half his chakra taken, if he had more then half he would have been able to beat Momoshiki by himself. And Naruto was not using his full power against toneri either being he allowed kurama to manifest outside his body to send the message to people on earth.

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    • Itachi is one of my faves, I really like characters that are good tacticians and strong on top of that. However he doesn't stand any chance against any of Hokage Naruto's forms. Even in base Naruto would beat him. I know that people get annoyed with the entire "Naruto dodged Momoshiki in base form while he had at least half his chakra drained", but it is the truth. Base Naruto is already stupid fast and has godlike reflexes, what's left if he goes into SM and even BSM? And keep in mind this Naruto has mastery of all chakra natures. Itachi can't beat him.

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    • Wow... this might be the first thread where everybody unanimously agrees on something.

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    • Not really, there is definitely going to be people that are going to disagree .

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