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  • A Genjutsu is an technique described as attacking the target's chakra flow in order to be effective.

    My question is, as the Hyūga have mastered the Gentle Fist which requires control of their chakra network in order to deal damage. Why can't they in combination with their Byakugan realise they've been put under a genjutsu and escape on their own?

    The reason I ask, is because I was thinking about the Infinite Tsukuyomi and how everyone in the Hyūga clan got caught up in it. Regardless of how powerful it is, at the end of the day it's just a genjutsu.

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    • In my opinion, it's not just a every day regular genjutsu. NOBODY was escaping the infinite Tsukuyomi that didn't have either 6 Paths chakra, was a reanimation or those two that happened to be shielded from it by something imbued with 6th paths chakra.

      To answer your question to some degree they do have a defense against genjutsu for the exact reasons you stated. They could use their byakugan to see if someone/themselves have been placed under one and act accordingly I would imagine, we just never saw it in manga/anime.

      We also see that some Genjutsu just can't be 'Kai'd ' out of. Kabuto tried it when he was caught in Izanagi, and it didn't work there either.

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    • No I get that it's a powerful technique, but at the end of the day it works the same way as any other genjutsu. I'm not really sure how the 6 paths chakra changes any of that. It's still listed in the data books as having a Yin type chakra nature as all genjutsu do.

      I'd like to draw a distinction between the kai method of dispelling a genjutsu and what I believe a Hyūga would do. I'd imagine the Hyūga would use the gentle fist to target their own tenketsu to restore the chakra flow back to normal dispelling the genjutsu.

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    • They do have some ability to break genjutsu, I think Ao used his eye to break out of a Genjutsu Danzo had on his arm. that would be pretty powerful, as he is a wily old ninja with a ton of Uchiha eyes (although he does get done in by an illusion so maybe he isn't so adept) but the Infinite Tsukuyomi can probably catch someone multiple times, so even if they break out they would keep on getting caught until their Chakra is too low to break it, explaining why the tailed beasts were needed. I know the author left some plot holes but I think that it would make sense that it's layers of illusions one after the other, like inception or something.

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    • Not all Hyuga have mastered chakra control, since not all Hyuga are masters of Gentle Fist. As a viewer, we were only exposed to the users who were extremely skilled, like Neji and Hiashi. Even Hinato, though a late bloomer in this regard, became a reputed Gentle Fist master.

      Also, the "kai" method can work, as long as you are better at disrupting your chakra than the Genjutsu is at manipulating it. However, this is not always the case.

      Naruto tried the "kai" method when Itachi used as Genjutsu on him. However, it didn't break him out. That's because Itachi's Genjutsu was simply more powerful than Naruto's ability to disrupt his chakra.

      This is the case with everyone under Infinite Tsukuyomi. It immediately pulled them under a Genjutsu far more powerful than themselves. Not only that, the Genjutsu itself gave them a scenario that was basically their happiest life. This made it less likely that they'd give it their all to leave. Even subconsciously, they wouldn't put all their effort into breaking out.

      Though even if they did, they are not more powerful than the Genjutsu and they'd fail.

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    • That would be a nice ability for the Hyuga

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    • Oh also to address your idea that a Hyuga would Gentle Fist themselves... ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)....

      Many Genjutsu are the type that immobilize the victim. This would seem to be one of them. So no Gentle Fisting themselves out of it

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    • Same reason why Sharingan users still can get caught in Genjutsu. And if they were alive, the Uchiha would of been right there with the Hyuga when it came to Infinite Tsukuyomi. Sharingan allows the user to detect Genjutsu, and let's them "see through" it. But time and time again throughout the series, Genjutsu has been used on Sharingan users. They still experienced the illusions, but they knew they were Genjutsu. Same would happen to an Hyuga. They would know about the Genjutsu, but they'd experience it. Just because you know you're in Genjutsu, doesn't mean you can break free.

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    • @Genosyber

      While I like your reasoning and it certainly makes sense. We are dealing with unknowns as this series has allowed genjutsu to be heavily undeveloped. With the Hyuga's precise control, it should definitely be possible, although Six paths powers are hax.

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    • The Byakūgan does exhibit anti-Genjutsu skills to extrapolate.

      The penetrative perception aspect of the dojūtsu is what inherently grant's the ability to bypass the Mirages, and see the reality beneath. Sharingan exhibits that as well, but to a lesser degree.

      By logic, if the latter can, the former do as well.

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    • KyfieLita68 wrote: The Byakūgan does exhibit anti-Genjutsu skills to extrapolate.

      The penetrative perception aspect of the dojūtsu is what inherently grant's the ability to bypass the Mirages, and see the reality beneath. Sharingan exhibits that as well, but to a lesser degree.

      By logic, if the latter can, the former do as well.

      Yeah so give some evidence or feats or anything suggesting the Byakugon has these abilities and maybe it would be believable

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    • The Byakugan does give the user an anti genjutsu ability, the ability to fight without making eye contact.

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    • Haha I never considered that for some reason. What is everyones opinion on a Byakugan user being able to fight with their eyes closed? It's never been done, which is a surprise especially if you were to go up against an ocular genjutsu.

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    • I've argued with some people who claim that that makes them more susceptible to ocular genjutsu. I usually point out that even though they can see everything that's not the same as presenting an avenue for visual genjutsu to flow into their eyeballs. Otherwise, sensor nin like Karen with her Mind's Eye of the Kagura would be susceptible to visual genjutsu from 10 Km away without the caster even being aware of it.

      While we haven't seen any Hyūga fight with their eyes closed, we did see Ao using his Byakugan with an eye patch all the time. Pretty much the same thing. All he has to do is activate it. And he can do that through the eye patch. No reason why eyelids would be any different on a Hyūga.

      Closed eyes on a Hyūga should prove very effective against Sharingan and other visual genjutsu attacks, like Ephemeral. Kishi really should've addressed this, but he chose not to.

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    • CyberianGinseng wrote: I've argued with some people who claim that that makes them more susceptible to ocular genjutsu. I usually point out that even though they can see everything that's not the same as presenting an avenue for visual genjutsu to flow into their eyeballs. Otherwise, sensor nin like Karen with her Mind's Eye of the Kagura would be susceptible to visual genjutsu from 10 Km away without the caster even being aware of it.

      Closed eyes on a Hyūga should prove very effective against Sharingan and other visual genjutsu attacks, like Ephemeral. Kishi really should've addressed this, but he chose not to.

      Karin's Mind's Eye of the Kagura isn't actual sight like the Byakugan's field of view. A better comparison to the Byakugan's field of view would be Gaara's and Rasa's Third Eye since both involve actual sight.

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