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    • Urashiki was by far my favorite Ōtsutsuki. His badass attitude, arrogance, sense of humor, laziness... But he was by far the weakest Ōtsutsuki ever... Or maybe it is just some plot-no-jutsu to make Boruto feel like a useful ninja... By the way, which was the point of Konohamaru looking for help? Since when does Shikamaru care about Sasuke?

      PS: Urashiki eating his eye was probably the best moment in the whole Boruto series.

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    • Makes no fukin sense that eating his own eye, he underwent the same kind of transformation as Momoshiki.... does that work just for Otsutsuki, or would Sasuke mutate were he to eat his eyeball?

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    • Urashiki pulled a clone Syaoran when he ate his Rinnegan and the way he was killed was the same way Cell from DBZ was killed.

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    • There was so much nonsensical garbage in this episide from the giant Rasengan....bomb to Sasuke's Kirin.....shock attack.

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    • Not surprised that the anime would use the same ending from the Boruto movie with the big Rasengan but only this time it's young Naruto that kills the enemy (which I like). But over all the episode was horrible to me.

      Every character coming to late to help Naruto was like DBZ deva bu moment.

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    • I hate how they do the Otsutsuki as a whole. There's no reason at all to give them major power if they can be defeated by people they were literally beating beforehand. Makes no sense, but that's the anime for you... I'll continue to stick with the manga.

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    • Loved the episode!Although Urashiki powered up, it still felt like because of his nature or because he knew Boruto was a "vessel", he had to hold back. Was great seeing everyone teaming up for once to defeat an enemy and not leaving it to just one character.

      I'm guessing since both Naruto and Boruto are vessels for Kurama and Momo...the transfer of Karma could not occur for Urashiki (kind of sad).

      Also, it theoretically seems eating any form of Chakra-based substance is a Technique created by the Otsutsuki to acquire powers of Karma, without having to die. Noteworthy in that Kaguya's transformation being the most powerful, since she ate the Earth's Chakra fruit....and Urashiki's being the least, since he ate his own Chakra and Eyes.

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    • Fonselot wrote: Urashiki was by far my favorite Ōtsutsuki. His badass attitude, arrogance, sense of humor, laziness... But he was by far the weakest Ōtsutsuki ever... Or maybe it is just some plot-no-jutsu to make Boruto feel like a useful ninja... By the way, which was the point of Konohamaru looking for help? Since when does Shikamaru care about Sasuke? PS: Urashiki eating his eye was probably the best moment in the whole Boruto series.

      Acually Shikamaru cares a little bit about Sasuke,he even stated that before departing to his retrieval mission, he stated that "he's not his friend,he doesn't even like him,but he is a Shinobi of the Leaf just like me,and he would put his life on the line for him"

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    • Kyle Ethan wrote: Loved the episode!Although Urashiki powered up, it still felt like because of his nature or because he knew Boruto was a "vessel", he had to hold back. Was great seeing everyone teaming up for once to defeat an enemy and not leaving it to just one character.

      I'm guessing since both Naruto and Boruto are vessels for Kurama and Momo...the transfer of Karma could not occur for Urashiki (kind of sad).

      Also, it theoretically seems eating any form of Chakra-based substance is a Technique created by the Otsutsuki to acquire powers of Karma, without having to die. Noteworthy in that Kaguya's transformation being the most powerful, since she ate the Earth's Chakra fruit....and Urashiki's being the least, since he ate his own Chakra and Eyes.

      Urashiki literally said that he won't be holding back, so he didn't hold back

      Eating one's own body part to gain power makes absolutely no sense.

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    • But he also drunk all of the chakra in his vessel. I am not sure if there was still some chakra from people like Gaara, Mitsuki or Sasuke, but it should be a big power boost for him anyway.

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    • Episode made no sense overall. it was just anime filler nonsense that is never even hinted to in the manga.

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    • yo... i only got one question in mind, that is what would the rinnegan eye taste like?

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    • Yeah, I thought that Urashiki's final form would be used more rationally... overall the episode seems like a pale copy of episode 65. And yeah, this ark and the previous one treated Urashiki too incompetent for an Ootsutsuki, no wonder that the ending is fitting as well. He was supposed to be on the level of Momoshiki with powerup, but lost without putting much effort into it. I expected that at least the duo of Sasuke and Jiraya get to fight him as the main part, yet they threw only a few punches and techniques, and that's it.

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    • I was really hoping that Jiraiya would use SM. But, I guess that would make too much sense for this garbage arc.

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    • horrible powerscaling, unclear timeline..garbage arc
      
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    • Yuhu123 wrote:

      horrible powerscaling, unclear timeline..garbage arc
      

      I completely agree,except the emotional part of the arc,every single thing that make me love Naruto has been disgraced,no strategic thinking in battles,zero logic in power scales between opponents,jutsus throwed from the two sides,no single moral philosophy in this arc,two genin defeating an Otsutsuki,plot holes everywhere,Tsunade who is wary of "two street performers" but doesn't know that someone who is powerful attempting to target the Nine-Tail's jinchuriki,copycat of episode 65,Jiraya and Sasuke's battle spirit has been belittled.....it's very shameful.

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    • going back to the old days naruto was not a sensible fighter at all . And look at sasuke not recovering from chakra loss. Jiraya a sanin underrated . Sasuke underrated . boruto overrated . Naruto overrated . Urashiki overrated and then underrated . beaten by first series naruto lamao.

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    • i never expected super urashiki to be even close to base momos power, since they are a superior rank to him, but i never expected urashiki to be that weak of an otsutsuki. still, the animation was beautiful. got to give credit there.

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    • so why did the konohamaru (ninja) squad go and try to get help if they weren't going to be necessary at all, all i can think of is that they're all gonna make an appearance next episode. i don't even want to list everything else that is an issue, being a naruto fan is pain. i'm glad we got to see some jiraiya and sasuke interaction though.

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    • Let's talk about Jiraiya. First off, he's severely under-powered, for some reason. The fact he's able to land a couple of hits against an Ootsutsuki whilst not in SM is unthinkable. By the series' logic, had Jiraiya gone SM, he'd have wiped the floor with him, which is just silly. Also, Jiraiya is seeing a Rinnegan for the SECOND TIME since Nagato, and he's not going all "Ooh, the same eyes as the Rikudou....!"

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    • Yeah the animators clearly give no fucks about the series actual events and the characters actual history. Jiraiya also called Urashiki a celestial in the episode and nobody told him that, ever.. meaning yet another error. I mean the idea of time travel was ok but they didn't pull the story together properly in this arc...

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    • It's timetravel, no one has ever done it correctly, there's bound to be errors.

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    • Elveonora wrote: It's timetravel, no one has ever done it correctly, there's bound to be errors.

      Thats no excuse to have egregious errors

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    • FlatZone wrote: Episode made no sense overall. it was just anime filler nonsense that is never even hinted to in the manga.

      The anime ain't filler.

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    • It might as well be with as much fuck ups they are doing.

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    • Seelentau wrote: The anime ain't filler.

      Sighs An unforunate truth

      (P.S.: A source material, such as TV shows, can still have filler in it. But yeah, I wish the anime was seasonal so we wouldn't have this mess)

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    • UltimaDude wrote:

      Seelentau wrote: The anime ain't filler.

      (P.S.: A source material, such as TV shows, can still have filler in it. But yeah, I wish the anime was seasonal so we wouldn't have this mess)

      That's not true. "Filler" is anime content that was created to widen the gap to the anime's source material. That's all. "Filler" can be canon (Kakashi Gaiden, for example), and filler can only exist if the anime adapts the source material, which Boruto doesn't. So not only is non of the Boruto anime filler, it's also all canon, since the author(?) of the manga himself connected anime and manga in a tweet last year or so.

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    • So basically he doesn't actually care anymore, and said screw everything for this arc. Nice to know the author is just shoveling us whatever. I mean the arc is over so whatevs.

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    • Na, he said that during the Kirigakure Arc.

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    • Seelentau wrote: Na, he said that during the Kirigakure Arc.

      amen

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    • Seelentau wrote: That's not true. "Filler" is anime content that was created to widen the gap to the anime's source material. That's all. "Filler" can be canon (Kakashi Gaiden, for example), and filler can only exist if the anime adapts the source material, which Boruto doesn't. So not only is non of the Boruto anime filler, it's also all canon, since the author(?) of the manga himself connected anime and manga in a tweet last year or so.

      Filler is simply content used to fill in extra time and seemingly doesn't add anything to the overall plot. If you can remove it and it changes nothing to the plot, then it's probably filler. It also doesn't only exist in anime as western media also uses it. The anime doesn't need to be adapting anything for filler to exist. I didn't deny the many travesties of this anime are canon.

      Can you give me the link to that tweet? I tried finding his WSJ comment, but to no avail

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    • One thing I really appreciated was the OG soundtrack. It was a nice touch imo ~

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    • UltimaDude wrote:

      Seelentau wrote: That's not true. "Filler" is anime content that was created to widen the gap to the anime's source material. That's all. "Filler" can be canon (Kakashi Gaiden, for example), and filler can only exist if the anime adapts the source material, which Boruto doesn't. So not only is non of the Boruto anime filler, it's also all canon, since the author(?) of the manga himself connected anime and manga in a tweet last year or so.

      Filler is simply content used to fill in extra time and seemingly doesn't add anything to the overall plot. If you can remove it and it changes nothing to the plot, then it's probably filler. It also doesn't only exist in anime as western media also uses it. The anime doesn't need to be adapting anything for filler to exist. I didn't deny the many travesties of this anime are canon.

      See, but that's the problem: The anime precedes the manga content. It's like two straight lines that are just waiting to be connected (which will take place when the anime starts adapting the manga). So if you'd remove the anime, you'd remove content, in our case. So yes, the anime needs to be adapting something for filler to exist. If an anime starts out with adapting something else than the source material and never changes that, it's not filler. If it starts with adapting the source material and then creates new material so that the source material has more content to adapt, the new material is filler. Right now, this is the state Boruto is in vs how it usually works: https://www.autodraw.com/share/QEWRF8OJO289

      https://www.quora.com/What-does-a-filler-mean-in-anime

      https://www.animefillerlist.com/

      And no, I don't have a link to that tweet at hand. It should be somewhere in the Consensus Track board, I posted it.

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    • Seelentau wrote: See, but that's the problem: The anime precedes the manga content. It's like two straight lines that are just waiting to be connected (which will take place when the anime starts adapting the manga). So if you'd remove the anime, you'd remove content, in our case. So yes, the anime needs to be adapting something for filler to exist. If an anime starts out with adapting something else than the source material and never changes that, it's not filler. If it starts with adapting the source material and then creates new material so that the source material has more content to adapt, the new material is filler.

      https://www.quora.com/What-does-a-filler-mean-in-anime

      https://www.animefillerlist.com/

      And no, I don't have a link to that tweet at hand. It should be somewhere in the Consensus Track board, I posted it.

      If the removed content doesn't change anything in the overall plot, then it's filler. The anime seems to be pumping out subpar plot-lines to allow to manga (where it takes the more significant plot-lines from) to have enough material to implement. TV shows use filler to give extra time for the more important episodes to be produced.

      https://aminoapps.com/c/anime/page/blog/non-canon-vs-filler/mJtk_uBgNKV4jvBJvgqJw3pRo7kYN

      Oh, alright

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    • I think I'll just generalize filler as anything that has no long-lasting impact on the overall storyline.

      In Dragon Ball Super, take Goku hiring Hit to kill him, or Vegeta fighting Arale. Neither of these storylines impact the next saga, namely, the Tournament of Power. Sure, Goku knows a technique or two of Hit's to mention, but it wasn't noteworthy enough to include in the manga, for instance. That's filler.

      In Boruto, Boruto starts and ends as the same person he was before. He doesn't necessarily grow in power or techniques, because he's a prodigy, he already has all of those. He doesn't grow morally, as the lessons he learns each arc don't come into play in the later arc, except for the times where he does learn something, but it's something as basic as 'you must always work in a team' or 'don't abandon your friends'.

      By comparison, in Naruto, Naruto learns the Cloning technique, then he learns how to walk on trees, how to walk on water, the summoning jutsu, the rasengan. And everytime, his Ninja Way is either shaped, or cemented by what he learns. The first couple of arcs inspire him to build his 'never give up, always endure' motto, the Summoning Jutsu teaches him chakra mastery, the rasengan, another chance to show he'll never back down. And every arc furthers the plot. The first few build Naruto up, the following arcs introduce the villains, Orochimaru, Akatsuki, and then we move into the true point of the story: Sasuke leaving. And every arc following these arcs, three further the plotlines established.

      Hell, in the Boruto manga, the entirety of the Kara arc, Boruto is growing. He goes from a kid afraid of technology (as the last time he used it, he was chastized for it) to a ninja who sees it for what it is: a tool. He goes from fearing the Karma to slowly learning how to use it. He builds a friendship with Kawaki. Even the arc with the Daimyo's son helps further the plot.

      The anime isn't furthering jack, right now. You could remove the Mitsuki/Onoki arc, the Kinshiki arc, and any arcs preceding them, and Boruto would be the very same person he was at the end of the Momoshiki arc, and the beginning of the Kara arc: a prodigy who has realized what hardships his Pops had to go through, and who will cut him some slack and work to improve himself. His techniques are still the same: disappearing Rasengan, generic futon technique, generic raiton technique. His friends would still be the same. Mitsuki, the mysterious awkward kid whose Dad is Orochimaru, Sarada, the girl who calls him a baka half the time. Done. No changes whatsoever.

      So yeah, if it doesn't further the plot, if plucking the arc out would leave characters intact, then Imma call it filler, until an apter word is found for it. Source material or not.

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    • UltimaDude wrote:

      Seelentau wrote: See, but that's the problem: The anime precedes the manga content. It's like two straight lines that are just waiting to be connected (which will take place when the anime starts adapting the manga). So if you'd remove the anime, you'd remove content, in our case. So yes, the anime needs to be adapting something for filler to exist. If an anime starts out with adapting something else than the source material and never changes that, it's not filler. If it starts with adapting the source material and then creates new material so that the source material has more content to adapt, the new material is filler.

      https://www.quora.com/What-does-a-filler-mean-in-anime

      https://www.animefillerlist.com/

      And no, I don't have a link to that tweet at hand. It should be somewhere in the Consensus Track board, I posted it.

      If the removed content doesn't change anything in the overall plot, then it's filler. The anime seems to be pumping out subpar plot-lines to allow to manga (where it takes the more significant plot-lines from) to have enough material to implement. TV shows use filler to give extra time for the more important episodes to be produced.

      https://aminoapps.com/c/anime/page/blog/non-canon-vs-filler/mJtk_uBgNKV4jvBJvgqJw3pRo7kYN

      Oh, alright

      But the anime is part of the overall plot. There's a glaring difference between the Boruto anime and those shitty fillers from Naruto: The latter were sandwiched in-between adapted source material. That's not the case with the Boruto anime, because there's no space (between two parts of adapted material) to fill in.

      You can think of it like a story before the story. The anime is the exact same storyline as the manga, it just started at an earlier point on the timeline. The argument of "Filler is material that doesn't develop the story or characters" doesn't make sense because the anime does develop both story and characters.

      Now, if someday the anime begins to adapt the manga and then adds non-manga material, THAT would indeed be filler. But as long as the anime isn't adapting the manga, the anime-story is simply not used to allow for the manga's plot to advance.

      Like, I don't know how else to word it. There's no space for the anime to fill in.

      But I agree on one thing with that website: The fans have no clue of canon and filler. To most, filler means non-canon.

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    • The anime is NOT part of the overall plot. The overall plot is presented in the first 3 minutes of the series.

      • Karma
      • Boruto's White Eye
      • Kawaki
      • Being a Ninja in an ever-modernizing world at peace that slowly but surely doesn't need Ninja anymore
      • Naruto having disappeared/being dead

      The Boruto manga touches on all of these. The anime barely does, instead limiting itself to rehashing content from the previous series, in a crude "where are they now?" sort of way.

      The characters in the Boruto anime, like characters in Filler in any anime, ARE underdeveloped, and the storylines ARE plain and simple. The moral of each arc is childish and simplistic, like "you gotta have faith in yourself" or "friends stick together". These stories are self contained (almost as if, if plucked out, the rest of the story would remain unaffected... like filler). At the end of every arc, the characters's status quo remains almost the same as how it was at the beginning.

      Take Mitsuki, and his entire disappearance arc. Other than the fact that now everybody knows who his dad is, has the way he interacts with literally every other character in the series been affected? Nope. He was awkward and bizarre-yet kind then, and he is just as much now. Same with Boruto, Sarada, everyone. Hell, sometimes we get 2/3 episodes on Moegi's team of rando genins.

      You said that the 'shitty fillers from Naruto' were "sandwiched in-between adapted source material". In the Boruto anime, the first part of the sandwich was the Momoshiki arc, and the second part of the sandwich is being published in the manga right now. What we're getting right now is whatever is in the middle of the sandwich. Ergo, filler.

      Your story before the story? That was the 30-ish episodes of Boruto doing the bell test, Nue, Boruto's White Eye.

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    • Yeah it would be cool if they showed the characters having actual development in turns of skill, techs, and physical abilities more clearly in the anime. Like right now Konohamaru's actual abilities are so bland and hard to decipher its ridiculous.

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    • Konohamaru should be the next Kakashi.

      No question. I should be able to go "oh sh*t" when I see him get serious. Instead he's summoned a frog, did a Rasengan, did Asuma's fire technique (?) and summoned a baby monkey. Not even Enma. Come on.

      Instead they keep putting him against opponents that he can't beat on his own, and Boruto needs to step in and save the day, everytime. He couldn't beat a white Zetsu on its own. A white Zetsu. Juugo gave him a hard time. And Juugo is a hell of an opponent, but Konohamaru's dream was to become Hokage one day. Where is the strength to back that up?

      And this happens in the manga too, so an intelligent storyteller who realizes this would go "I am gonna build Konohamaru up, and have him be a total badass, so that Jigen comes across as even more dangerous, and when Boruto has to save him from Jigen, it's even more impactful". But no.

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    • yeah they dgaf about Konohamaru apparently

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    • I wonder what happened to the super Ninja tool of Orashiki, the "fish rod"? It just seem to have disappeared, or am I wrong? I can´t believe how Orashiki could been defeated so easily. I mean Jiraiyas genius move about poisoning him was magnificient but the ultra strong form afterwards could NEVER EVER be killed by a little lack of the nine tails power. That is so illogical!!!

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    • And that takes us back to the filler conversation.

      When the stories they're telling are meant to be self-contained, this limits the narrative possibilities. Naruto should've gone 4 or 6-tails AT LEAST to make a difference against an Ootsutsuki, even the weakest of them. But if they made him do that, Boruto would likely be scarred for life, the genin who were coming to their rescue would likely be injured, and then it causes time-travel conflict, etc

      If they weren't just biding time until the manga gained enough space for them to adapt it, then this would be fine.

      And yeah, that fishing rod took down Gaara the Kazekage. What happened? He stabbed Jiraiya with it, and that was it. Did he just go "meh, screw it?" and decided to go solo?

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    • Also, wtf is going on with Toneri? he was turned to stone by Urashiki's technique so he should be back to normal now since the user is dead. They better not have just written out the only good Otsutsuki left forever. I say Oro should give him a pair of pure Byakugan(we know Oro has some somewhere, he's a thief and a collector) and make Toneri relevant again. Give him his Tenseigan and full power back and have him fight alongside Naruto and Sasuke. Toneri has just been completely wasted and shoved aside as is.

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    • Seelentau wrote: But the anime is part of the overall plot. There's a glaring difference between the Boruto anime and those shitty fillers from Naruto: The latter were sandwiched in-between adapted source material. That's not the case with the Boruto anime, because there's no space (between two parts of adapted material) to fill in.

      You can think of it like a story before the story. The anime is the exact same storyline as the manga, it just started at an earlier point on the timeline. The argument of "Filler is material that doesn't develop the story or characters" doesn't make sense because the anime does develop both story and characters.

      Now, if someday the anime begins to adapt the manga and then adds non-manga material, THAT would indeed be filler. But as long as the anime isn't adapting the manga, the anime-story is simply not used to allow for the manga's plot to advance.

      Like, I don't know how else to word it. There's no space for the anime to fill in.

      But I agree on one thing with that website: The fans have no clue of canon and filler. To most, filler means non-canon.

      I'm not saying that the anime doesn't have an overall plot, but if certain episodes don't add anything to the overall plot of the anime, then it can be considered filler. Filler doesn't just have to be used to allow the manga to have more material, it can also be used to give the other writers more time to work on more important episodes that don't even have manga material.

      David presents a good argument on why some episodes of the anime can be considered filler (not non-canon, mind you).

      I understand what you are saying, but there are episodes of the anime that can be said are completely inconsequential to the overall plot that the anime presents. The main argument is if they are relevant to the plot or not, which is an argument I don't feel like having

      I no longer feel like talking about this anymore, but really enjoyed discussing with you, Seel [insert cringy smiley emoji]. I apologize if I appeared to be stubborn. Oh yeah, when you're quoting, make sure not to pyramid quote.

      FlatZone wrote: Also, wtf is going on with Toneri? he was turned to stone by Urashiki's technique so he should be back to normal now since the user is dead. They better not have just written out the only good Otsutsuki left forever. I say Oro should give him a pair of pure Byakugan(we know Oro has some somewhere, he's a thief and a collector) and make Toneri relevant again. Give him his Tenseigan and full power back and have him fight alongside Naruto and Sasuke. Toneri has just been completely wasted and shoved aside as is.

      Where was it stated that Orochimaru has Byakugans in stock?

      Urashiki was just killed, so we'll have to wait and see if the writers haven't forgotten about Toneri

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    • By the way, about Toneri, there's no guarantee he'll unfreeze after Urashiki's death. Technically, Urashiki didn't use a jutsu of his own on Toneri, but some kind of a tool or artifact (Palace of the Dragon King). Hence, it's not certain that the effect will wither away when Urashiki is killed.

      P. S. Still, would be nice for Toneri to play some role and not remain the statue forever.

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    • I always figured that Toneri was going to guide Boruto somehow. Help him to understand his Jogan and maybe even Kama. If they really keep him frozen for the rest of the series then they may as well have never shown him.

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    • Even if Urashiki used a jutsu, not all jutsu become undone after the user's death. For instance, EDO Tensei. But yeah, we'll surly hear from Toneri in some way in the future. We haven't seen the last of him.

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    • What branch of eyes do you guys think is more powerful?

      1)Byakugan, Jougan and Tenseigan

      2)Sharingan, MS/EMS and Rinnegan?

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    • Tenseigan has the power to destroy/restore a planet, albeit it most likely is at the cost of the users life. Either way no dojutsu besides Rinnegan has any kind of power close to that. I think Rinnegan and Tenseigan are equals honestly.

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    • Arturia00000 wrote: What branch of eyes do you guys think is more powerful?

      1)Byakugan, Jougan and Tenseigan

      2)Sharingan, MS/EMS and Rinnegan?

      The Jougan and Rinnegan aren't in the same branch as the Byakugan and Sharingan, respectively

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    • Arturia00000 wrote: What branch of eyes do you guys think is more powerful?

      1)Byakugan, Jougan and Tenseigan

      2)Sharingan, MS/EMS and Rinnegan?

      From what we have seen so far:

      1. Rinne Sharingan 2. Tenseigan 3. Sasukes Rinnegan 4. Rinnegan 5. (Eternal) Mangekyo Sharingan 6. Byakugan 7. Sharingan 8. Jogan

      Since the Rinne Sharingan is the strongest Dojutsu, its the Sharingan tree that is the most powerful branch

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    • I saw the preview for Boruto episode 137, does that mean that Sumire is officially going to be replaced by a female samurai who hates the new era of ninja that don't train too hard?

      This new Tsubaki character reminds me of Ryogi but without being brainwashed.

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    • Amanim wrote: I saw the preview for Boruto episode 137, does that mean that Sumire is officially going to be replaced by a female samurai who hates the new era of ninja that don't train too hard?

      This new Tsubaki character reminds me of Ryogi but without being brainwashed.

      I dont think she will join the Team. She and her master probably visit Konoha, since the samurai are also part of the Union, for a meeting with the Hokage. While her master is speaking to Naruto she will run into Team Hanabi. She sees them train starts to mock their weakness, which upsets the Cat Girl. So they fight, but eventually they find mutual respect for each other. And once she and her master leave will never see or hear from eachother ever again. Also it would be unusual for a SAMURAI to join a NINJA cell.

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    • Oh ok that makes sense and I can see what you mean. Thanks Grauerkaempfer for the explanation.

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