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  • With knowledge of each other as much as till each of their deaths. Which side wins? And how? Venue of battle : Amegakure (where jiraiya batlled Pain) Deidara CANNOT use C0 bomb (suicide bomb)

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    • Hidan is useless in this battle, as the bodies aren't alive and they don't feel pain.

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    • Interesting fight. Usually, a Chibaku Tensei would deal a lot of damage to the opponents you’ve listed, but I doubt Pain would use it in Amegakure. He loves his village and would never risk it being destroyed.

      I think the primary threats are Sasori and Kakuzu, and even then, they’re gonna experience some difficulty. Kakuzu’s range of ninjutsu is blocked by the Preta Path, and Sasori’s long-range attacks are deflected by Shinra Tensei. But if those opponents targeted one Path at a time, they’d overpower the individual Path for sure. But it depends if Pain would allow that to happen i.e. Deva Path uses Bansho Tenin on one of the opponents to stop the pressure, Asura Path fires missiles, Animal Path pressures back with summons etc etc.

      There’s also the fact that none of the opponents can fly, whilst Pain can (either Deva Path’s levitation or they ride on the Animal Path’s bird summoning).

      I think there are definitely ways that the 4 opponents can pull off a W, but I’d be inclined to say that Pain wins mid-high difficulty.

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    • How can they defeat the summoning dog, and who can defeat it?

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    • Jason of the Mangekyou
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    • If I were Sasori, I'd just trap the Dog Summon in Iron Sand. It would incapacitate it, at least until Pain desummoned it.

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    • Some of the main techniques that the four of them use won't work on Pain. Sasori can't use poison on corpses, and Hidan can't make corpses feel pain with his technique (although he may still be able to damage them with the ritual); it depends if you think that a corpse's blood will still activate the ritual, or if you need a live host's blood instead, because at the end of the day, Hidan can only do his rituals when he makes sacrifices to Jashin.

      Summoning dog poses a problem obviously because of its multiplication jutsu. Also, idk what you guys think, but when the ANBU members and the torturer were fighting the summonings, they sealed the summoning dog in clay, and then boxed it inside some oven-looking thing. Do you think what they did here is superior to Sasori's Iron Sand method? And the Ox summoning broke out of the Iron Maiden technique too, which could imply that it could break out of Iron Sand too.

      Honestly, if the Animal Path just hid inside the chameleon like it did against Jiraiya, the four of them are screwed. Animal Path would just summon-spam, and if I recall correctly, none of the four have any sensory prowess or dojutsu they could use to locate the Animal Path either.

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    • That's a nice one. But won't that leave him vulnerable to other attacks lol.

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    • Vulnerable how? The summonings are out there putting in all the work, and the Animal Path is completely safe.

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    • I was replying to Prince Harris, i didn't see your comment.

      Sasori would undoubtedly attack the dog summoning to try and kill it, in doing so he'd just create more and make restraining them even more difficult. They will lose this lol

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    • Ah my bad.

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    • Kisame havent been discussed...what can kisame do in this battle? Isnt there much water in Amegakure?

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    • Kisame uses large scale techs which is basically free chakra here

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    • I think Sasori's poison would actually work here. Judging by the Naruto vs Tendo fight, the Pains do actually feel pain / can be fatigued. They're not just dead bodies. Sasori's poison would probably paralyze them. And yes, Shinra Tensei would block Sasori's IS / Hundred Puppets, but it has a 5 second cooldown. I think that's more than enough for Sasori to at least scratch Tendo.

      While it is true that none of the 4 can fly, I think Kakuzu's masks have great range on them, and Sasori can just control the puppets from afar anyway. Not to mention that Sasori does have Fire Release, so that's more for Kakuzu's Wind/Fire combo.

      Hidan is a nonfactor for the most part, unless the pains bleed.

      I'm not sure how Kisame would fare here tbh. I don't know if Samehada can eat up Shinra Tensei or the Preta Path, but his large-scale jutsus can act as diversion.

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    • @Thresh

      Pain doesn't feel pain. This was explicitly shown when Ibiki was attempting to torture the Animal Path in his space-time technique, but to no avail.

      I don't think that Sasori's poison would work either. Sasori's poison obviously paralyzes the muscles, which prevents movement. The way Pain operates is moving the corpses like puppets, through invisible chakra threads and chakra receivers. Hence, it would bypass the effects of the paralytic poison, as the way the bodies are moving aren't through the use of their own muscles.

      I still think that Hidan needs a live host for his ritual to work, otherwise the whole point of the ritual (making sacrifices to Jashin) is moot. You can't sacrifice something that is already dead.

      I'm unsure about Kisame too. I think Deva could use Universal Pull to yank him out of his giant water bubble technique, and the Animal Path's crustacean summoning can wreak havoc without being impeded by the water too.

      Honestly, Pain is crippled heavily because of the location. He can't use his large-scale techniques in the environment without damaging Amegakure badly.

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    • Reading through all of this, I think Pain still wins despite having a locational disadvantage.

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    • Pain can abosrb chakra too, so Kisame absorbing chakra won't be as effective as people think either

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    • Ok how about the one i have edited? Its deidara replacing hidan!! :D no C0

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    • Nagato is telepathically connected to Konan sometimes, somehow. He can have her reverse summon him and the 6 Paths away if Deidara attempted his Nuke attack anyway. The only issue would be his microscopic bombs attack but Nagato can see chakra with the Rinnegan, even things that are invisible like Barriers, he uses his chakra absorption and sucks the chakra out of the microscopic bombs leaving them duds. Actually with the Preta Path Madara absorbed a massive Dust Release, Nagato should be able to save himself just fine by absorbing the parts of chakra explosion from Deidara's nuke attack that touch his absorption.

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    • I think its against the rules to have Konan perform something in order to assist Nagato. In any case, Nagato can just have the Animal Path summon the other paths elsewhere, either ontop of the Bird, or inside the Chameleon to perhaps tank the Nuke attack similar to what Sasuke did. Of course, if Deidara ever considered using his Nuke attack, he'd realise that it would also decimate his entire team.

      In the case of the microscopic bombs...: “Deidara uses his own mouth instead of the ones on his hands to create a giant doll in his image. When the doll ruptures, it releases a cloud of microscopic bombs that enter the bloodstream of anyone who inhales them.”

      I think its safe to say that Pain can’t breathe, as they are corpses, so perhaps this technique may not work on them?

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    • I didn't think of that. That is true that they do not breath therefor the blood does not circulate and the lungs do not inhale. So yeah that move won't work against Pain either

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    • I will say that Deidara is a hell of a lot better a match-up than Hidan. Deidara has a load of options, and he can put in some decent pressure with his explosions, and this can do wonders to some of the Paths, like Human, Preta, and Naraka. Although, if the clay doesn't detonate in time, Preta could suck it dry of chakra and render it useless, but if this has happened once, Deidara would know to trigger the bombs quicker.

      Asura Path can whip some of the clay bombs away with his extended limbs, since a normal person usually struggles with getting those annoying lil bombs off of them. Asura can also use his jet-propulsion in his feet to get away really fast.

      Animal Path can avoid these things pretty easily, what with the summon-spam of creatures she has at her disposal. She has usually stayed out of reach with her Bird summoning, but Deidara could chase her on top of his Clay bird as a counter-measure.

      Deva is the worst for Deidara. A good enough Shinra Tensei would shred those claybombs apart and render them useless before they detonate in time. If Deidara is targetting another path, he can use Bansho Tenin in defense, just to throw him off course, or into the hands of the Human Path. He can also use Bansho Tenin to alter the trajectory of any of Deidara's claybombs. We also know that Bansho Tenin doesn't have to be always towards Deva; He has shown the ability to move rocks with Bansho Tenin in completely different directions to him.

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    • If they talk, don't they need to breathe?

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    • "Breathing" for them might just be getting air in the lungs in order for them to utter words. It is explicit that there is no blood circulation going on, meaning that they aren't genuinely breathing for oxygen. Hence, no C4.

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    • Halcyonite wrote: "Breathing" for them might just be getting air in the lungs in order for them to utter words. It is explicit that there is no blood circulation going on, meaning that they aren't genuinely breathing for oxygen. Hence, no C4.

      Their mouth, nose, throat, and chest would be disintegrated. That might be enough to "kill" them.

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    • @Ultima

      Can the technique even work like that, or does it only activate when in someone's bloodstream?

      Okay, lets say that C4 does work. Then what of the Preta Path? That Path is probably immune to the technique, sucking up the chakra in close proximity. And the Asura Path. Does it even have lungs or is its entire body made of metal, and would the disintegration process even affect it? The Deva Path could probably use a weak Shinra Tensei to push all the microscopic bugs away, and his attack is omnidirectional, so its not as though some could seep through.

      Perhaps, if Deidara somehow got all 6 Paths were trapped in this microscopic chakra gas bubble, they'd all linger near the Preta Path to be shielded from its effects. And any of the blemishes they get on their body before the Preta Path could get to them in time would be patched up by the Naraka Path.

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    • And with kakuzu sasori and kisame...wouldnt deidara and the gang win this :D

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    • Yeah I think this is a much better match-up than when it was Hidan. If they are in the situation that they are in (Amegakure) I believe the 4 of them could pull off a W with very high difficulty. However, if Pain isn't hindered by the location and can use his large-scale techniques, then he wins low-mid difficulty.

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    • Jason of the Mangekyou wrote: I was replying to Prince Harris, i didn't see your comment.

      Sasori would undoubtedly attack the dog summoning to try and kill it, in doing so he'd just create more and make restraining them even more difficult. They will lose this lol

      I was thinking that he could portion off a bit of sand and encase the dog summon, stopping its movements and preventing it from dividing. I feel like that could incapacitate the Dog Summon, even if only temporary, as summoners can alway just desummon their summons.

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    • The iron sand is coated with poison, which should make the summonings immobile and useless thereafter

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    • The summonings are dead too, they have Six Paths Rods stuck into them, and have Rinnegan eyes too... Nagato can also see through their vision too. They will be able to move anyway as they have no blood flow, therefor the poison can't do a thing.

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    • Halcyonite wrote: Can the technique even work like that, or does it only activate when in someone's bloodstream?

      They are still bombs, so Deidara should still be able to detonate them

      Halcyonite wrote: Okay, lets say that C4 does work. Then what of the Preta Path? That Path is probably immune to the technique, sucking up the chakra in close proximity. And the Asura Path. Does it even have lungs or is its entire body made of metal, and would the disintegration process even affect it? The Deva Path could probably use a weak Shinra Tensei to push all the microscopic bugs away, and his attack is omnidirectional, so its not as though some could seep through.

      The Preta Path needs to be aware of tthe C4 before absorbing it. As I was thinking of a way to repond to this, I just realized that they can see the chakra, so they can avoid C4 all together

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    • FlatZone wrote: The summonings are dead too, they have Six Paths Rods stuck into them, and have Rinnegan eyes too... Nagato can also see through their vision too. They will be able to move anyway as they have no blood flow, therefor the poison can't do a thing.

      Never really paid attention to this. But they react to pain, scream, make their distinct sounds etc, signs of being alive?

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    • @Jason

      So did the Pains. When Naruto used the Rasengan on Tendo at the end of the fight, Deva was screaming as if he was in pain. We know that Pain can't feel pain because of the Ibiki scene, but its probably to add to the impact of Naruto beating Pain.

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    • All those are anime additions, especially the ibiki scene. Got any manga support?

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    • Well, if the manga doesn't touch on anything, then the next best piece of evidence is the anime. Kishimoto was supervising it, after all. I think its best to say that Pain canonically doesn't feel pain, as that is what was established clearly.

      Bare in mind, there are obviously inconsistencies throughout the Naruto series. For example, when we first saw the Naraka Path's abilities, the only person who could see the King of Hell is the one who was about to get his tongue grabbed. Konohamaru couldn't see it when Ebisu was being interrogated. And Ebisu couldn't see it when Konohamaru's Clone was being interrogated. Ebisu got kicked right through it, in fact.

      But then we have Itachi throwing Kunai at something that should only be seen by Naruto, and something that the Kunai should have just gone right through. Sorry for the spiel, but I think that 'Pain feeling no pain' proof is as good as its gonna get.

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    • There are other evidence, like in one scene in the manga with pein having a speech bubble next to him which says huf indication of him breathing.

      There are different purposes of the king of hell, but when it's used for the purpose of interrogation/judgement, then only the victim can see them ;in other cases it's visible to everyone.

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    • Breathing doesn't have to be there for the purpose of breathing. It is often a sign of expression. It could be Nagato's fatigue showing through Pain, but not the Pain itself.

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    • Ok i wrote this 2 times but they got deleted, so in summary kisame would be a threat to the 3 weaker pains (in terms of combat) and sasori and deidara would keep pressure on asura and diva path, and kakuzu would have to wait untill preta path is destroyed before doing any real damage, overall i believe this fight would be a loss from pains side, kisame is a threat, while diedara and sasori overwhealm and kakuzu would be the tank untill preta is destroyed, ur thoughts?

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    • How is any of them breaking out of Chibaku Tensei? Deidara will have to resort to C3 or C0 to blow up the core and he'd die from the explosion, and potentially everyone around him too. Kakuzu's firepower is impressive, but definitely not impressive enough to match Yasaka Beads + Rasenshuriken + Bijudama.

      Deva uses Chibaku Tensei and its over from there.

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    • Heres a thought...Kisame can deal with dog summon because he can use salmehada to aborb the summonings chakra...over, and over b/c it multiples, thus making kisame stronger longer the battle plays out. Also @Thresh,thechainwarden deidaras C-2 giant clay dragon + kisames super shark bomb + all kakuzus hearts firing jutsu at the same time + sasoris giant iron sand spike can destroy chibaku tensei.

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    • The dog will poof once its chakra gets low enough, so thats one way Kisame can deal with that summoning, sure. Another thing I forgot to mention is Chibaku Tensei is ALSO a sealing technique, the seals power also depends on the size of the sphere made for example 8 tails Naruto was able to break out of one, then Nagato was going to make a larger and stronger one to keep the 9 tails itself captured if so. None of the Akatsuki Pain is fighting against here have the power that Naruto with 8 Tails had so if they get hit with Chibaku Tensei they are done for.

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    • Pain, in amekakure would most likely not risk his village being destroyed, so the likelyhood of him using chibaku tensei would be low, also, @FlatZone im pretty sure that they would be smart enough to say, oh no chibaku tensei and have diedara fly them away, kakuzu has a lightning realese technique, so if diedara used c4, kakuzu would be able to use this jutsu to kill all of the bombs coming towards them, and the pains are made out of corpses which would have blood, at the very least, since the blood is not pumping, it would cripple at least half of thier body, and the pains DO BREATH so c4 would be injected into them

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    • Thousand-years-of-death wrote: Pain, in amekakure would most likely not risk his village being destroyed, so the likelyhood of him using chibaku tensei would be low

      He simply has to move himself out of range before he does it. With the six paths of pain keeping them busy and no way of knowing where he is, it shouldn't be difficult. He also presumably has control over the power of his attacks so he can alter the AoE if there wouldn't be room in the battleground where he could be safe.

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    • Thats true, but at the same time if it gets yoo small/weak then it is able to be destroyed by alot more jutsu than a full one

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    • True, but the longer they wait to attack it the harder that becomes and they probably wouldn't know about how it works and how to stop it immediately like naruto did the second time he faced it

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    • True, but kakuzu is probably the most likely taregt to get trap, admitedly, but i think if anyone got stuck in it they would use iron sand to destroy it

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    • Thousand-years-of-death wrote: True, but kakuzu is probably the most likely taregt to get trap, admitedly, but i think if anyone got stuck in it they would use iron sand to destroy it

      I think it more or less depends on who pain decides to aim it at. Whoever gets caught in it would probably die before anyone can get them out unless it was kakuzu and he hardened his body using earth style but even then it's still doubtful because he would need to be able to breathe during that time and he probably can't form hand signs under everything he's stuck under

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    • Again its a sealing jutsu too, 6 Tails V2 Naruto couldn't do ANYTHING. The ONLY way he was able to get out was letting Kurama go wild and reach 8 tails(Kurama was only missing his skin and fur at this point, he was nearly free). Once they are caught they won't be able to do anything about it

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    • @Thousand Years

      How is Deidara meant to fly them away from something that manipulates gravity? Deidara and the others would just get pulled towards the Chibaku Tensei satellite.

      No, the Pains do not breathe the way a human does. They are not breathing for blood circulation and oxygen. The only times they have breathed is for expression, and these are expressions Nagato is making being channeled through to the Paths of Pain.

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