If Obito has both eyes, Kamuineould stronger, so he will most likely be able to stay tangible for longer than 5 minutes.
No kind of spam works, Obito would have to undo the intangablity for just a split second and his 5 minute timer restarts and he is more than capable of getting away from KCM if he needs some breathing room
He can simply rise to the top of anything Rasa/Gaara tries to pile on him
Liquids... well either they pass through him like anything else would or he just chills in his dimension for a bit
If characters like Kimimaro and Madara can literally dance around Gaara's Sand like nothing, I don't see why Obito couldn't maneuver around it just as easily. He could literally use those few seconds in the sand to warp himself to a new location, assuming 1 second of not using Kamui recharges its usage time by 1 second.
Also, if the full power of both MS come out when you use both eyes together, Kamui's intangibility should last for 10 minutes, and that's easily OP. Add hashi cells with that and that means his Kamui's recharge time it lowered even more. Obito's Kamui is more OP than people realize, especially when you add in the Hashi Cells he has.
Just think about it: If Kotoamatsukami's usage went from 10 years to 1 time a day with Hashi Cells, imagine how fast Kamui can recharge with them after that 5 minute limit with just 1 eye, let alone 2.
I think uts jumping the gun to say Hasirama cells will lower the time of double MS Kamui. The 5 minute limit already has the Hashi-cell discount.
Squinty97 wrote: Naruto already showed that he couldn't continuously assault him to the point of him losing Kamui. Also Obito was able to use his Kamui in combination with the regular Sharingan and his own Taijutsu skill to both avoid and catch Might Gai with Nun chuks lol, a regular clone assault ain't gonna cut it imo.
What is Obito going to do against 1000 clones that's constantly attacking?
Idk how Obito in water works. If he went intangible, would his entire body just blip out because of all the water?
Only his head would be necessary as he needs to breathe, but when the sharks attack he will need to be intangible from head to toe. Kisame soloes unless proven otherwise.
Yeah, KCM Naruto with Kakashi, Gai, and Bee couldn't manage to get Kamui's limit down. I doubt a mindless 6 Tails Naruto would do it.
Well remember everyone on this list has intel, so why would'nt he?
A small spam doesn't last five minutes, so I don't think any Bijuu could do it. Maybe the acid based one.
Continuous. Well you have to account for the blast radius, 1 small bijju dama's blast radius was yay big
Nagato's puppy? Continuously requiring Obito to be intangible?
Ok that's far fetched fr.
I mean Obito can just avoid the puppets by going underground and popping up somewhere else. Also just use plain old Taijutsu seeing as Chiyo helped Sakura do it and iirc she noted Sakura was figuring it out herself too
Concede
Ay is only KCM Naruto levels in speed, who showed that he couldn't outspeed Obito's reactions.
Naruto wasn't attempting blitz on Obito like Ay was trying to do on Naruto. If no, then show me where. Obito couldn't react to amaterasu, whilst V2 Ay (uk what i'm reffering to) could do both react and dodge.
Didn't Shino lose Obito when he had the bugs even more densely packed around him?
If shino utilizes it as in the scan then Obito would be a sitting duck.
Princeharris1993 wrote: If characters like Kimimaro and Madara can literally dance around Gaara's Sand like nothing, I don't see why Obito couldn't maneuver around it just as easily.
Except Obito does and always chooses to use Kamui to evade.
LegionZero wrote: I think uts jumping the gun to say Hasirama cells will lower the time of double MS Kamui. The 5 minute limit already has the Hashi-cell discount.
I didn't mean Lower the 5 "Time Limit". I meant lower the "Recharge Time" of Kamui itself, as in the time he'll have to wait before being able to use Kamui again after using up the initial 5 minutes. We were never told how long it takes before its usable again after those 5 minutes with one eye.
We don't know how long he has to wait for Kamui to recharge so he can use it again after those 5 minutes are up. It's possible he must use up all 5 Minutes (300 seconds) before he has to wait for Kamui to recharge, but we don't know, leaving room for interpretation.
Hashi cells shorten the Recharge Time of Kotoamatsukami (from 3,650 Days (10 Years) to 1 Day), so the same rule could apply to Kamui as well, since its an MS technique.
Anyway, even if that isn't the case, Obito should be able to use 10 minutes worth of intangibility with both eyes, since they are only at half power when used apart, and that much is supported by the manga.
Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:
What is Obito going to do against 1000 clones that's constantly attacking?
Phase and reposition himself. If this was a legit strategy someone would have getten together 1000+ shinobi alliance ninjas.... or Naruto would have done it.
Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:
Only his head would be necessary as he needs to breathe, but when the sharks attack he will need to be intangible from head to toe. Kisame soloes unless proven otherwise.
This doesnt even make sense
Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:
Continuous. Well you have to account for the blast radius, 1 small bijju dama's blast radius was yay big
And Obito can phase through ground to get to a safe area. Or just be in Kamui dimension... its not really explained if at that point be can turn off phasing and stay there but either way he will get to somewhere safe.
Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:
Naruto wasn't attempting blitz on Obito like Ay was trying to do on Naruto.
At no point when Naruto was fighting for his life or the fate of the world did he try to speed blitz Obito? Highly doubt that.
Obito was fighting head to head with Minato 16 years before he fought Naruto and had only grown stronger. Obito also fought/played cat and mouse with Naruto and 3 others at the same and wasnt even breaking a sweat.
Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:
Obito couldn't react to amaterasu, whilst V2 Ay (uk what i'm reffering to) could do both react and dodge.
Obito wasnt on guard...
Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:
If shino utilizes it as in the scan then Obito would be a sitting duck.
Does what as a what??
Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:
Except Obito does and always chooses to use Kamui to evade.
Thats not entirely true but what does that matter? Hes still way faster than the sand and instead of having to move around it he can beeline toward the user... or sneak beneath the ground.
Princeharris1993 wrote:
Hashi cells shorten the Recharge Time of Kotoamatsukami (from 3,650 Days (10 Years) to 1 Day), so the same rule could apply to Kamui as well, since its an MS technique.
Im not saying that Hashi cells dont shorten recharge time. The only frame of reference we have is the shortened recharge time so whatever we assume the time is, we should assume that is the Hashi-cell enhanced recharge time
LegionZero wrote: Phase and reposition himself. If this was a legit strategy someone would have getten together 1000+ shinobi alliance ninjas.... or Naruto would have done it.
This is a scenario where the characters in my list have intel on Kamui. Phase and reposition around 1k clones? you gotta do better than that.
This doesnt even make sense
Which part. Kisame soloes and obviously you don't like it.
And Obito can phase through ground to get to a safe area. Or just be in Kamui dimension... its not really explained if at that point be can turn off phasing and stay there but either way he will get to somewhere safe.
Not with Kurama's negative emotion sensing. If he's in kamui dimension would they even be firing lol.
At no point when Naruto was fighting for his life or the fate of the world did he try to speed blitz Obito? Highly doubt that.
Obito was fighting head to head with Minato 16 years before he fought Naruto and had only grown stronger. Obito also fought/played cat and mouse with Naruto and 3 others at the same and wasnt even breaking a sweat.
Obito wasnt on guard...
He knew the working of amaterasu, saw Itachi's mangekyou, saw the blood. Just couldn't react.
Does what as a what??
Should've at-least followed the argument before you try to dive head first. Check the scan i posted on shino.
Thats not entirely true but what does that matter? Hes still way faster than the sand and instead of having to move around it he can beeline toward the user... or sneak beneath the ground.
Obito has nil speed feats. Gaara can control the entire terrain if he chooses, he can fly, he can use sensing to detect where Obito moves to next. Gaara solo the kamui spammer.
Ok, yeah.
You know Naruto did when he got KCM 1? Blitzed Kisame. You know what happened when Naruto fought Obito with KCM 2? Obito avoided it and reacted to it! SO, he wouldn't even need Kamui. He'd just blitz him.
"That doesn't equate to a speed blitz being ineffective."
??? If he's faster, then why would a speed blitz work?
"Obito couldn't react to Amaterasu"
Ok, this is BS. Pretty sure Obito just wanted to show off Izanami. Besides, he reacted to the raikage at full speed rushing at him and still Kamui'ed through, and saved Sasuke. And you literally said that Raikage is faster than Amaterasu. So doesn't that prove, for a fact that he was showing off? Also, he reacted to and dodged KCM 2 Naruto, and KCM 1 Naruto blitzed Raikage.
The Shino argument is hilarious. Obito would just blitz him.
Also, "Obito has nil speed feats". Then what were the ones I listed earlier?
And Gaara gets blitzed too.