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  • I really think that itachi would end up being stronger than Shisui. Since Shisui can only use his mangekyou once every ten years meanwhile itachi can use it for as long as his chakra and stamina allows him to. Shisui is already great and strong but the most deadly thing on him can barely be used. Itachi is incredibly advanced in every type of justu. Taijustu Ninjustu and especially his strongest suite, Genjustu. I’m not saying that shisui sucks or anything, i just want to put that to peoples attention.

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    • Shisui using his Mangekyo once every 10 years is full on bull, that line is clearly referring to the fact that the eyeball is inside the crow, context is extremely important here. Also Shisui himself already said Itachi would surpass him(He said this before he died) but what Shisui didn't know is that Itachi would gain a terminal illness a few years later and therefor have to take medication just to stay alive.

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    • I think the cooldown is a thing. Both Kakashi and Danzo uses a transplanted eye, but why is it that only Danzo needs to wait for it to cooldown after using it once?

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    • Danzo used was able to use it twice in one day, the second time he was going to use it he was stopped by Sasuke stabbing right through Karin. Remember he was going to use it on "Madara" afterwards. Now with Hashi cells he could use it twice a day but he was not an Uchiha or the eyes original owner. So with Shisui I would say its more likely he could use the tech once per eye once a day going by how Danzo could do it. The Crow on the other hand is just that.. a crow. It can only use Koto once a decade.

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    • Kakashi isn't an uchiha but could still use the eye freely, minus the chakra demand. You addressed the matter when saying Hashirama cells made Danzo use it more than once.

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    • You're still ignoring context, the eye was in the crow since the day Shisui died which was more than 10 years before the 4th war, the crow has a 10 year limit.

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    • I don't believe Itachi was specific about the crow needing 10 years only.

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    • He wasn't, his statement made no specifics, but thats where context and logic come in. The crow had Shisui's eye since Itachi was 11, the 4th War happens when Itachi would be about 22. Shisui himself had 2 eyes and used most likely used Koto after he was 6-7 when he awakened his MS(check Seelentau's timeline as it uses the Itachi Shinden novels too) and he later dies at about age 13-14 which then the crow has his remaining eye and Danzo gets the other. Shisui himself definitely did not have a 10 year cooldown on each eye for his Koto. The crow on the other hand has far less chakra, is not an Uchiha.. and is a dang crow and Itachi knows that so 10 years cooldown for Koto makes sense because of that alone.

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    • Can you show where he used Koto at age 6-7?

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    • No, it doesm't say that. But Shisui awakened his MS at about 6 and he knew all about how Koto worked and what it was called on Itachi's first mission to join the Anbu.. when Shisui used it on Mukai. Shisui had clearly used it before that mission.

      https://naruto.fandom.com/wiki/User:Seelentau/Naruto_Timeline again everything is referenced here

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    • Ok so Shisui hadn't enough time to experiment to proves how they know it takes 10 yrs to recharge. Your timeline says shisui died at 13 and unlocked ms at 6, that's only 7 years. Itachi gained Shisui's MS at age 11 but he died at 21, that's exactly 10 years, he could've experimented on the crow, by using Koto during age 11, which recharged at age 21, coincidentally the same year he died and transferred the crow to naruto.

      • Now the problem with the recharge time being unique to the crow only is what I don't understand, what's the explanation behind that? Kakashi could hardly maintain base sharingan all the time, he had to keep it covered, but the crow just kept it going for 10 whole years. Know why? the novel states Shisui merged his MS with the crows eye.

      The eye resting in his open palm floated up, covered the bird's left eye and merged with it, as if sucked in.

      Which could explain that ^, now if Shisui's eye is MERGED with the crow, and Itachi says it take 10 years to recharge, won't that mean the same would apply to the original as the eye wasn't even transplanted, but used to form a single entity with that of the crow's. The evidence is more against the other argument, with Danzo being most of it. He clearly couldn't spam it as he wish, and whoa surprisingly he has Hashirama cells, and whoa surprisingly he can use it more than once in a single day now, and whoa that's coincidentally something Itachi said.

      If you're still gonna say Itachi was speaking only about the crow, note that a crow couldn't handle hashirama cells as Itachi said that that cells would reduce the cooldown.

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    • You still don't get it. There is absolutely zero chance the crow has anywhere near the amount of chakra Shisui had and it would take the crow 10 years to be able to use Koto because of that. Not to mention the crow would in no way have chakra control as good as Shisui to begin with. So if Shisui awakened his MS at 6 and didn't use Koto at that point as far as we know that means he used it after that in order to know about it, then later when Itachi is 11 and he is 13 he used it against Mukai and then again he was about to use it against Fugaku before Danzo interfered.. then the eye is used again during the 4th War while Danzo could use the other eye twice in one day thanks to Hashi cells. 13-6 is 7 years not 10 and Shisui knew all about his MS tech and how it works meaning he has used it more than once more than likely. There is no way Shisui himself could only use the Koto only once every 10 years per eye, that is entirely illogical here. Shisui himself does not have a 10 year cooldown per eye, it does not fit at all.

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      • Clearly Chakra isn't an issue as the crow had the base sharingan maintained for 10 years and still managed to use Koto on Itachi (simply because as i've said, the eye was merged with the crow?)
      • Also i just think it was base genjutsu shisui used on mukai.
      • So then Itachi meant the crow would need Hashirama cells to use it more than once? implying that a simple crow can handle Hashirama cells? Itachi clearly mean't in general.
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    • Its still a crow and that's still a Sharingan. To think the crow needing 10 years means Shisui needs 10 years is definitly a fallacy in logic. Shisui clearly used it multiple times after he was 6 years old, enough to know how it works and have a name for it. He was planning to use it again at age 13. Shisui himself does not need 10 years for the techs recharge. Also it was heavily implied to be Koto that he used against Mukai, the Byakugan user. and that was the same year he was going to try to use it on Fugaku too.

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      • One usage is enough for it to be famous. For example: The samurai's seeing amaterasu for the first time would probably brag about it to other samurai's, and grapevine starts. So if one eye was used for it to be known, shisui was aware he couldn't use koto on that very eye again, so he was obviously going to use koto with the remaining eye on fugaku.
      • The wiki just states Genjutsu, Kotoamatsukami wasn't specifically stated in the novel either, so just base MS genjutsu.
      • You're ignoring the Hashirama cells on crow point. You're ignoring the eye merging.
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    • Merging it into the crow means nothing as the crow does not have the special brain chakra like an Uchiha would, its just an easier way of transplanting the eye into the crow and making it fit, because you know.. crows have smaller eyes than humans so he can't just take a human eye and put it into the crow's eye socket. So therefor it would be no different that Kakashi having it as he is also not an Uchiha. The crow would most definitely need 10 years to re-charge. Shisui himself though?? not really. He is the eyes original owner and as said before he used Koto enough to know how it works and all after age 6 but before age 13 and thats a less than 10 year gap, also the Hashirama cells in a crow?? That could easily work as Danzo only had a problem controlling the cells because he had an entire Hashirama face on his shoulder. If a bit of Hashi DNA was injected into the crow and it took the DNA without rejection then it would work. Hashi cells would have that affect on the crows usage no doubt.

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    • FlatZone wrote: also the Hashirama cells in a crow?? That could easily work as Danzo only had a problem controlling the cells because he had an entire Hashirama face on his shoulder. If a bit of Hashi DNA was injected into the crow and it took the DNA without rejection then it would work. Hashi cells would have that affect on the crows usage no doubt.

      cool lol

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