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ugh, Rikudou Senjutsu

  • I don't think Naruto is using Sage Mode at all
  • Rikudou Senjutsu is what Hagoromo gave to Naruto, the mode in question was called Sage Transformation by Madara--Elveonora (talk) 08:52, April 27, 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, but I sincerely believe that you are wrong this time. Rikudou Senjutsu is what Hagoromo gave to Naruto, it doesn't sound like a name of a transformation at all. It doesn't make sense for only Obito's version to be called Sage Transformation since it's the same thing--Elveonora (talk) 15:27, April 27, 2014 (UTC)

What's with the attitude? You can't just change something as radical and say "full stop end of discussion" Madara even said it's a power, not a transformation/mode.--Elveonora (talk) 15:43, April 27, 2014 (UTC)

Don't take this wrong, but knowing a language and having good reading comprehension/understanding context are two different things. You can't just put words into Madara's mouth and pretend that he meant what you think he meant. All he said was that Naruto got Rikudou Senjutsu and that he possesses the same power, no mention of cloak/form/mode/transformation/anything.--Elveonora (talk) 16:22, April 27, 2014 (UTC)

Rikudou Senjutsu is one of the things that power Naruto's form, but the form itself isn't called Rikudou Senjutsu. Sage Transformation sounds much more like a name of the form. Think logically, Hagoromo didn't give Madara anything, he got it by becoming the Ten-Tails' jinchuuriki, so you think Shinju gave Madara "Rikudou Senjutsu" ? ._. I interpret it as "Hagoromo's Senjutsu" with Rikudou simply being short for Rikudou Sennin.--Elveonora (talk) 09:03, April 28, 2014 (UTC)

So Madara got "Rikudou Senjutsu" from the Shinju? Also again, it's illogical for the staff (which is just the truth seeking balls technique in another shape) to be called a transformation while the actual transformation being called a technique :D--Elveonora (talk) 10:24, April 28, 2014 (UTC)

Also the Six Paths Sage Technique says things much close akin to my own interpretation of it, the infobox even has the eyes, not the cloak--Elveonora (talk) 10:34, April 28, 2014 (UTC)

Okay, but how is a cloak/form whatever from chakras of all 9 Tailed Beasts and Senjutsu chakra a "Rikudou Senjutsu"? The technique used with the form is Truth-Seeking Ball and you say Madara called Obito's staff which is just the ball technique variant a Sage Transformation. How don't you see it's illogical for a jinchuuriki form to be called a technique and for a technique it utilizes to be called a transformation? To me at least, it's obviously in reverse. The Truth Seeking Balls are more of a Rikudou Senjutsu if you ask me--Elveonora (talk) 10:40, April 28, 2014 (UTC)

Still illogical for a technique (TSB) to be called a transformation and for a transformation (the cloak) to be a technique. Also one way or another, the article made by the guy disagrees with your explanation, so it should either be modified or removed--Elveonora (talk) 10:48, April 28, 2014 (UTC)

I don't blame you, the whole thing is damn complex and confusing, but I'm sure one way or another, the information we currently present is wrong T_T damn Kishi, why u no explain properly?--Elveonora (talk) 10:58, April 28, 2014 (UTC)

Spiral Zetsu to Guruguru

I apologize for being late to the party, but which raw (chapter) was used to find its name? --Questionaredude (talk) 18:04, April 28, 2014 (UTC)

Six Paths Sage Technique

When and where exactly was the discussion for Naruto's new form to be a new page, if there was one? I'm not gonna edit anything either way, I'm just simply asking. WindStar7125 (talk) 23:01, April 28, 2014 (UTC) WindStar7125

Hi! May I know why my contribution to Kakashi Hatake's Wiki page has been deleted?

Seifu10 (talk) 12:25, April 30, 2014 (UTC)Seifu10

Thanks :)

Because it was unnecessary overhyping. • Seelentau 愛 12:36, April 30, 2014 (UTC)

Gattai Ōgi names

Hi senpai, today Namco Bandai Japan has released a page about the battle system in the upcoming game. Some of those combination ōgi are named in this page. Can you translate them in order to create their articles later on? —Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol (Talk) 12:27, May 2, 2014 (UTC)

Yōton Request

Lava Release Icon
Already I ended the icon. I hope that you like.

Sasukeuzumaki (Mi discusión) 12:44, May 6, 2014 (UTC)

Translate Stuff

Hi! If you have time, can you translate "Katabami Gold Mine" to English? Thanks! :) ~IndxcvNovelist (talk | contribs | PR | RLS) 10:16, May 7, 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! :) ~IndxcvNovelist (talk | contribs | PR | RLS) 10:47, May 7, 2014 (UTC)

Jonin problem

If you have some time, could you take a look at this problem? The episode in question is from the original series, number 140, at ca. 16:45. Jacce | Talk | Contributions 18:21, May 10, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. Jacce | Talk | Contributions 13:10, May 11, 2014 (UTC)

Chapter 64

In chapter 64, near the end, there's a scene with Hiruzen and Anko. Hiruzen asks Anko if the pain in her neck, caused by the cursed seal, is any better. She says "thank you" and say it is. Is there anything there, maybe in the raw, that implies he actually did something to seal the effects, or did she simply get better by being away from Orochimaru and resting? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:41, May 12, 2014 (UTC)

Discrepancy with the Shinju's eye

I want to know your opinion on this. WindStar7125 (talk) 00:02, May 18, 2014 (UTC) WindStar7125

Check this out for me

Hey Seel. Mind stopping by Zetsu's talkpage and pitching in your two cents about the topic, Dojutsu in Zetsu? I'd really appreciate it. Thanks, -- KotoTalk Page-My Contributions 12:47, May 20, 2014 (UTC).

Kakashi Anbu Hen articles in Pierrot's blog webpage

Hi senpai. This week, the official blog of Studio Pierrot has released two articles about the latest Kakashi Anbu filler arc. It contains some useful information that reveals the timelines of those characters, you can modify your timeline based on them. —Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol (Talk) 18:24, May 21, 2014 (UTC)

the shinju infinite tsukuyomi user?

I'd like to know.--Elveonora (talk) 15:18, May 22, 2014 (UTC)

Considering Kaguya presumably got her third eye as a result of the fruit, which hints that Kaguya's eye and the Shinju's are the same. Also Obito was about to cast Infinite Tsukuyomi with the Shinju's own eye.--Elveonora (talk) 14:25, May 24, 2014 (UTC)

Thank you a lot for your feedback. I suppose it comes down to the topic about what qualifies someone as a legit user. I would say that even being capable of X without having done X still means being a user of X.--Elveonora (talk) 14:51, May 24, 2014 (UTC)

Kaguya's third eye wasn't named see my latest comment.--Elveonora (talk) 13:02, May 24, 2014 (UTC)

Too bad ^_ I just don't think we should label the third eye as Sharingan, since that wasn't stated--Elveonora (talk) 14:26, May 24, 2014 (UTC)


Sorry I don't know anything about Japanese and stuff so I might sound completely senseless.
Would it be beneficial as well as possible (practically; not technically) to add those to translations in the form: 攻殻 機動隊(こうかく きどうたい)
You'd need to use chrome/IE to see above properly or this addon
More info is here--~UltimateSupreme 16:06, May 21, 2014 (UTC)
I hate using title; it can't be accessed be touchscreen devices (iPad, mobiles, etc) neither by text-to-speech devices
Nor are they indexed by search engines.
What I was thinking was to integrate it with our {{translation}} so users could do {{translation|<Sharingan>|<写 輪 眼>|lit meaning=<Copy Wheel Eye>|viz meaning=<Mirror Wheel Eye>|furigana =< うつし わ め>}} which will produce Sharingan (写 輪 眼; うつし わ め; Literally meaning "Copy Wheel Eye", Meaning (Viz) "Mirror Wheel Eye")
Ignore the line-height, it'll mostly be the first line.
Adding half a dozen characters doesn't really increase the length of the article~UltimateSupreme 14:40, May 22, 2014 (UTC)
Technicalities aside what I meant to ask is would it be possible to add furigana for atleast most of the translations we have and would it be worth the effort?--~UltimateSupreme 09:59, May 27, 2014 (UTC)
But would that matter since it would only be read by those understanding Japanese? And I guess Furigana is simpler than that?--~UltimateSupreme 16:25, June 6, 2014 (UTC)

Kaguya's speech

I know that she has said only like two sentences since her revival, but is there anything worth of note about her vocabulary?--Elveonora (talk) 16:56, June 6, 2014 (UTC)


Couldn't say for sure, but Shueisha started getting a lot more aggressive in targeting copyright violators earlier this year, threatening legal action against people and individuals posting bootleg scans and spoilers before the magazines actually go on sale. Japanese bootleggers also tend to be extremely skiddish (perhaps because the Japanese legal system is so strict), so any sign of trouble and they head for the hills. FF-Suzaku (talk) 02:53, June 20, 2014 (UTC)

Is that so? I haven't really been following. All I know is that the cover-to-cover scans of Weekly Shonen Jump have generally been hitting the Japanese filesharing sites a few days after they hit newsstands, sometimes later. FF-Suzaku (talk) 09:31, June 20, 2014 (UTC)
I suppose, if someone were to have the presence of mind to download, extract, and redistribute them. FF-Suzaku (talk) 20:22, June 20, 2014 (UTC)

Stupid question, but why don't the scanners release the raws to the public?--Elveonora (talk) 21:21, June 21, 2014 (UTC)

I can't tell since I suck at japanese

But is there anything relevant or helpful on this for the timeline or anything?? ItachiWasAHero (talk) 05:34, June 20, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Seel, I also noticed that Shisui's height is either wrong, or they just drew 11.5yr old Itachi too tall. Because Itachi was only 170cm when he left Konoha, and there it tries to paint him as 178cm at age 11.5... pretty sure he didn't shrink 8cm in 1.5 years. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 11:41, June 20, 2014 (UTC)


Someone recently added to Kaguya's personality section this pronoun she uses to refer to herself. I can see it in the raw for chapter 680, but what the person added it signifies (nobility) and what tangorin tells me it signifies (humility) is different. Can you take a look? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 15:58, June 22, 2014 (UTC)

re: Enton

No idea at the moment, I still haven't recovered from that reverse harem, but I will let you know once I do ._. Also, what's your opinion on Kaguya and Ten-Tails merger?--Elveonora (talk) 10:44, June 25, 2014 (UTC)

Can you remind be a bit of the Enton topic? It was quite a while back. What I've noticed from the latest chapter though is that the Enton part was omitted and that he can create Kagatsuchi outside his field of view as well--Elveonora (talk) 11:28, June 25, 2014 (UTC)

So Kagatsuchi and Enton: Kagatsuchi are two different techniques... hmm. Makes sense, because in many instances where Enton: Kagatsuchi was used, he didn't use Amaterasu prior. Perhaps this should be taken to the talkpage. And if true, pretty much confirms that Amaterasu is Enton--Elveonora (talk) 11:44, June 25, 2014 (UTC)

I wouldn't hold my breath ^_ and will do.--Elveonora (talk) 11:50, June 25, 2014 (UTC)

Well, we tried :( Although you can always document it as intended over at German wiki I suppose--Elveonora (talk) 20:28, June 25, 2014 (UTC)

The raw is seemingly out--Elveonora (talk) 15:41, June 27, 2014 (UTC)

Re: So...

There was never peace. Just sysops who were fore more willing to throw their weight to crush opposition when it cropped up. Using only myself as an example, a few years back I would not have quietly entertained Elvenora's repeated beating of a dead dolphin horse over issues that have been solved time and time again. It would have been done and done once, and that would have been the end until something new actually came about to change things. But that is of course just an old man getting caught up in nostalgia.

Nobody here is untrusting of you or your desire to help. However, you may consider the explosions that (more of often than not follow Elvenora, not you) follow you to be what happens after several odd years of blindly following ShounenSuki's words because he was the only one who could translate. Essentially it's occupational hazards. More times than not, what ShounenSuki had stated went down because he was the only one who was sure what was actually said. And, I know I am terribly guilty of this, I was very willing to appease him, because he was the only one who could translate anything and having him gone left us to the mercy of scanlations and Viz. Hell I walk a very, very thin line as it is in my opposition to any discussion you pick a side on because of that reason. It's also part of the reason, I believe, that why Sysops tend to do far far less now than they used to.

As such, typically when you make a translation, it goes. No ifs, ands or buts. For a recent example, Kaguya's Rinnegan. And this is as per ShounenSuki. However, other things, which doesn't involve translations, such as the nature of Blaze Release, and instead can go by everything from interpretation of what we were already told, what we believe based on what know, and just wild mass guessing, that is where things get skewed. Where we would have originally just bowed to ShounenSuki because that's what we did, we know "fight" back so to speak. And even then, you aren't necessarily a "hot button", unlike Elvennora or Ten Tailed Fox. Your position as Main Translator(tm) put's you in high prestige, make no mistake of that. But after coming off of ShounenSuki, it does not make you free of opposition, not anymore.

I agree, we need a new calm. But to be a calm one has to be completely and utterly neutral in all things, and only look at things as black and white from the manga. Never getting into any discussion that has to be interpreted or looked at from 2 or more different angles. Must always be "The manga said this" and that be the end. That is something I don't expect, or want from you because that makes you, for all extensive purposes, a useless editor. Actually being interested in the topic is a good thing, and being able to passionately fight over something is something we could have used years ago if any of us had the balls to actually do something.

And this was a very long write.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 22:29, June 25, 2014 (UTC)

Two Things

681 Raws

I know the raws just came out and I might be rushing you, but what do they say about Kaguya and the Ten-Tails?

Case 1: MangaStream: Black Zetsus (plural, two entities) says when Kaguya looks at Naruto and Sasuke, she is reminded of "Us," her two sons, implying that these two Black Zetsus were created to remind her of Hagoromo and Hamura.

MangaPanda: Black Zetsu (singular, one entity) treats Hagoromo and Hamura as different people.

Case 2: According to the raw, the Ten-Tails is the Shinju and Kaguya, correct? Both Panda and Stream agree on that, but Elveonora has confused me by say Kaguya is the Ten-Tails, therefore is not a jinchuuriki, but is a tailed beast herself (whatever Elve said, I'm paraphrasing him)

Case 3: MangaStream: Black Zetsu claims to have hid Madara's body to study the Sharingan.

MangaPanda: But Black Zetsu says Tobirama was studying Madara's body (which seems more plausible than Stream, but just to be sure)

Case 4: MangaStream: Hashirama's flesh was cultivated with the Demonic Statue and prolonged its survival and The White Zetsus were just there and Black Zetsu escaped.

MangaPanda: He (who?) cultivated Madara's meat with the Statue and tried to live longer and Black Zetsu claims to have taken out the White Zetsu.

BTW On my talk page, can you answer these cases like, for example "1) Panda ... 2)Stream ... 3) Neither, the Raw said this ..." and so on?

Also, between Panda and Stream, which should I trust more in the future? Panda makes some ridiculous mistakes, but Stream has its inconsistencies as well.


I saw that long response TU3 posted on your talk page. I went to his talk page and saw the conversation. Why exactly did ShounenSuki leave Narutopedia? I came post-ShounenSuki, so I just want to know.

I know this is a lot, but thanx in advance! WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task (Talk) (Contributions) 02:33, July 2, 2014 (UTC)

According to Shakhmoot, the raws are out. Ask him. WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task (Talk) (Contributions) 02:33, July 2, 2014 (UTC)

Gattai Ougi again

Could you get the name for Madara and Obito's ultimate from the new trailer? It's here. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 15:42, July 2, 2014 (UTC)

Chapter 684

Senpai, I found the other techniques' kanji which appeared in this chapter from a spoiler.

  1. Naruto's jutsu using Gobi's chakra called 怪力無双
  2. Naruto's clone jutsu called うずまきナルト一帯連弾
  3. Kaguya's kekkei genkai jutsu called 共殺の灰骨
  4. The chapter's title is 殺しておくべきだ

Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol (Talk) 11:00, July 9, 2014 (UTC)

If Gobi's technique really is a technique is something I can't say from just that.
The clone technique really means Naruto Uzumaki Region Combo.
The KG was obvious, I already added it. ^_^
The chapter's title is We Should Kill Him First or so. • Seelentau 愛 11:09, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
unparalleled superhuman strength? sounds like a technique to me--Elveonora (talk) 11:13, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
Not if it's just part of what Gobi said to Naruto, the way mangastream depicts it. • Seelentau 愛 11:16, July 9, 2014 (UTC)


Is there any for Mei's "Lava" and other users' Lava being two different advanced natures? I mean, does Mei's actually translate as Lava Release and was it anywhere stated that: "oh yeah, her KKG totally is the same as of rubber guy and the jinchuuriki dwarf's and Tsuchikage dwarf granddaughter's"--Elveonora (talk) 12:19, July 9, 2014 (UTC)

Perhaps I'm just over-thinking things, because Mei said that she can use Water, Fire and Earth. But Water and Earth is Wood, while Water and Fire is assumed to be Boil. There's no room for a different "Lava" combination :( Unless hers is all 3 natures, but that would be Kekkei Tōta :P So I guess nothing then. But if Kokuō has Boil Release, what does Saiken have? That's why I thought the slug might have "Lava" Release, but different from Son Goku's. There being differences between Mei's "Lava" and of the others' seemed like evidence to me at first.--Elveonora (talk) 12:54, July 9, 2014 (UTC)

You sure? If that's the case, false alarm then :P--Elveonora (talk) 12:59, July 9, 2014 (UTC)

TSB natures

Considering that Naruto simply took his TSB and thew it as TBB and it was Wind Release, that in my opinion is enough evidence that TSB aren't 4 natures and Hiruzen was talking about Obito's usage specifically. Naruto's TSB is just Wind Release, what do you think?--Elveonora (talk) 12:12, July 14, 2014 (UTC)

I just thought that if TSB truly were "at least 4 natures" in the least all the time, then Naruto's TBB would have been whatever release, not just wind :) And yeah, I don't like YYR business either, makes me want to vomit.--Elveonora (talk) 13:25, July 14, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Volume 70 Info?

Yeah, you're right senpai. But the most thing that we don't know about this volume is its title. And for adding techniques and characters, we just add the volume number into the included chapters articles and that should be enough. Hopefully we'll know the title on this Saturday. —Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol (Talk) 13:59, July 17, 2014 (UTC)

Mind checking this out?

Does it give any info, like age, timeline, connection, story stuff?? Hopefully we can get something from this. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 23:09, July 17, 2014 (UTC)

That link above I thought I put it there the first time... guess I didn't oops ItachiWasAHero (talk) 19:48, July 18, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Seel. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 18:46, July 19, 2014 (UTC)

Re: moovee

Thanks senpai, so the counter will stop on the next Monday at GMT timeline. That also confirms that the huge project which will be announced in the next chapter relates to the movie. —Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol (Talk) 09:29, July 18, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, the same time when the issue #35 will be released in Japan featuring Naruto as the leading manga in that issue. —Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol (Talk) 13:38, July 18, 2014 (UTC)

Kaguya riku senjutsu

She flies, or not? Also since she is chakra originate, isn't it fair to assume that powers of her sons are her powers as well?--Elveonora (talk) 09:44, July 18, 2014 (UTC)

Well, both Naruto and Sasuke got Hagoromo's chakra, one was stated to have gotten Rinnegan the other Six Paths Senjutsu and only the latter floats, so.--Elveonora (talk) 10:16, July 18, 2014 (UTC)

How else would have Naruto gotten Six Paths Senjutsu? Also Sasuke said he's got Rikudou's power too.--Elveonora (talk) 10:35, July 18, 2014 (UTC)

Then how did Sasuke get Rinnegan? I'm not sure just some Yin tattoo gave him that--Elveonora (talk) 11:28, July 18, 2014 (UTC)

Nah. We've been told that Ashura + Indra chakra = Rinnegan. Indra's chakra is already Yinish or something, so Yin+Yin = Rinnegan doesn't make sense to me--Elveonora (talk) 11:48, July 18, 2014 (UTC)

So Sasuke doesn't have the "Ashura part" of Hagoromo's chakra in your opinion?--Elveonora (talk) 12:52, July 18, 2014 (UTC)


Could I get your help with this question?: Basis of all Ninjutsu? Skitts (talk) 04:37, July 19, 2014 (UTC)


This Gantta guy keeps reverting edits on the Kamui page. Can you please tell him that on this wiki, we do things democratically and don't define things to suit any one person's needs? I don't wanna get into an edit war with this guy; he's a new editor and is already becoming annoying. WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task (Talk) (Contributions) 16:11, July 19, 2014 (UTC)

The Last movie scans

Senpai, how are you doing? Can you translate what's written in these two scans please especially that bottom-left corner regarding of 2015 stuff? Thanks so much... —Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol (Talk) 08:08, July 23, 2014 (UTC)

Thank you so much and no problem at all. Seems you were busy at that time :) —Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol (Talk) 09:03, July 23, 2014 (UTC)

Hagoromo and chakras

Do you get what was Hagoromo trying to say about Kurama's chakra?--Elveonora (talk) 15:33, July 23, 2014 (UTC)

Revolt of the demon world

So let's say your theory about more spiritual/mental/psychical whatever energy being Yin Release and more physical being Yang Release is correct.

Genjutsu is Yin Release. This technique uses more spiritual energy, so it is presumably Yin Release, but it's labeled Ninjutsu. Does that mean Yin Release can be both genjutsu and ninjutsu?--Elveonora (talk) 13:20, July 24, 2014 (UTC)

Quick Question

Hello, Seelentau-san~! :) I know you're busy, so I'm sorry to bother you, but I have a a question to ask you. This is a bit (actually, super embarrassing)) embarrassing to ask, considering I've been editing for years now, but this something I want to fully understand. I know Japanese is a very tricky language (even more so after taking a class in my last semester for college), which is why translations will always differ depending on who translates it. That being said, I want to confirm something: When romanizating a name from Japanese to English, in which case, let's say the name Kōjaku, for example, the spelling "Koujaku" would the closet literal translation into English, correct? And "Kōjaku" is the spelling that is closet to its Japanese name? I think that's is known as transliteration? There are a lot of characters in Naruto that has the accent marks in there, and the wiki chooses to use it. I always had a inkling of why, but never quite scratch the surface of the reason behind it since translations are bit confusing. If it's all right with you, may I ask you to explain in details on the concept of this?--NinjaSheik 21:12, July 25, 2014 (UTC)

Seelentau-san, thank you very much for replying to me. :) Yes, I finished my Japanese lesson for college. Waa, it was a harder than I thought. T _ T My college won't even be offering the next course level anymore, though, so I'm going to have learn Japanese through anime again. But I feel like I understand the Japanese language a bit better now, instead of being self-taught. :D Seelntau-san's amazing for being a translator! The three alphabets are really confusing, and kanji is so difficult to memorize. I can't believe Japan teaches all three. It's really hard! But I'm pretty happy now I can tell the differences between hiragana, katakana, and kanji now.

So, it depends on the system? I do know that using the names with or without the macrons isn't incorrect, so it really comes down to personal preference when people are using them. With official translations, they don't use macrons at all, so they either get rid of them or use ou, oo and uu. Hmm... So, using the name "Koujaku" again as the example, would "Koujaku" or "Kōjaku" be closer to the English language? It'd be Koujaku, right? I've noticed sometimes in anime that the characters' names will be spelled out sometimes in an episodes in its raw version. I'm currently watching an anime that does that a lot ("Koujaku" is actual the name of one of the main characters in there), so I thought it was a bit strange. I know another anime that spells two characters names as "Kou" (Kō) and "Shouta" (Shōta) in its raw version on items. It's also the spelling the official subtitles use. Hmm... Okay, I think I understand it better now! :D Thank you very much for your time.--NinjaSheik 23:32, July 27, 2014 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your insight, Seel-san~! Waa, Japanese is so tricky~! T _ T But I understand it now perfectly! Well, it's not like the spellings aren't incorrect. Whether you spelled a name with or without its macrons, it's still the same and really just comes down to which system the person prefers. Still, like you said, a lot of fans don't seem to understand that, and it's just a huge headache to break it down for them. ^_^; Well, thank you again! Nighty-night~! :D--NinjaSheik 03:59, July 28, 2014 (UTC)

Wa~! So tricky! T _ T But I understand what you mean. I really do prefer using the macrons, though. I used them in my fanfics, even. Thank you very much, Seel-san~! :D It's not something my Japanese class covered during the semester. I was hoping they would, but really, we worked on pronunciation more than we did with reading the characters. We covered that for, like, two weeks and that's it. Well, thank you again for your insight! Bye~! :)--NinjaSheik 18:51, July 28, 2014 (UTC)

Explosion Release

Do not the kanji of any of the known techniques give a hint about which natures may be included?--Elveonora (talk) 18:33, July 27, 2014 (UTC)

kaguya chakra question

It's been stated numerous times that all chakra was originally one and that it belonged to her/Ten-Tails/Shinju whatever, right? The issue is if the chakra that Hagoromo spread to everyone actually lowered her chakra and now she has just taken it back, or if she is taking more chakra than she had to begin with because she is greedy?--Elveonora (talk) 18:19, July 28, 2014 (UTC)

But the chakra all living things have is as much hers as is the chakra of Tailed Beasts, isn't it? Technically the chakra that exists now in living beings is the same one as Hagoromo gifted millennia ago, since children inherit chakra from their parents. So can she have more chakra than in her prime or does sucking everyone out just restore her to the way she was at the beginning?--Elveonora (talk) 18:35, July 28, 2014 (UTC)

Hmm, I see. Well, I disagree but I respect your opinion, so I'm gonna drop the topic for the time being since it boils down to matter of opinion I guess. I just don't think she feels falsely entitled to something that doesn't belong her, but rather she just wants to get back something that does belong to her.--Elveonora (talk) 18:59, July 28, 2014 (UTC)

Since everyone's chakra was Hagoromo's and Hagoromo's was hers, then everyone's chakra belongs to her by extension, especially if the chakra that Hagoromo spread was taken directly from Ten-Tails rather than his own he was born with.--Elveonora (talk) 19:41, July 28, 2014 (UTC)

I'm back

With another Pierrot post... this one looks like it may have good info on it.

ItachiWasAHero (talk) 20:40, July 29, 2014 (UTC)

Hmm, so it doesn't give any ages or hint to any of the ages of the characters in the settei sheets?? and thanks man. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 20:08, July 30, 2014 (UTC)

chapter 674

Can you please clarify what does the text above Madara's head says on first page? Thanks--Elveonora (talk) 22:51, July 30, 2014 (UTC)

The panel he does the hand seal to cast the lightning--Elveonora (talk) 10:37, July 31, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, because the scanlations mention the lightning being black so I was wondering if the text indeed says the lightning to be black.--Elveonora (talk) 10:50, July 31, 2014 (UTC)

Greatly appreciated. So not exactly black, but of darker color I suppose? You might have figured out why I'm interested in this by now. Since Madara's Yin Raiton was "dusky" so I suppose is Sasuke's Yin-powered Chidori of the same color.--Elveonora (talk) 11:53, July 31, 2014 (UTC)

Re: ...?

Because it saves effort and time. By the way, the three dots are considered as an one character, to make sure. Type three dots in the Word and they'll change automatically to be one set. Also, we have used this one dots set in this wiki for a long while ago (… = ...) —Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol (Talk) 12:35, August 6, 2014 (UTC)

Regarding Rabbit Monster

As I'm certain you don't have a RAW, this is more or less me asking a question and waiting patiently for whatever answer comes later. Basically what did Black Zetsu say about that the rabbit monster? Like I said, I doubt you can answer now, but this saves me the trouble of waiting till later.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 16:07, August 7, 2014 (UTC)

Cool beans. So Rabbit Monster from Beyond the Mommy is some sort of Ten-Tails outta control thing that Kaguya has no control over?--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 10:53, August 12, 2014 (UTC)

2 things

  • Has Tailed Beast Ball ever been used from a different body part than the mouth?
  • Your expertise is welcome in the wind-Kurama topic--Elveonora (talk) 19:34, August 8, 2014 (UTC)

Thought so, thanks and too bad about Wind-Kurama, thought you might have been persuaded since it's happened twice now. And what exactly are you trying to figure about fluids and gases? Sound kinda naughty if you ask me--Elveonora (talk) 19:47, August 8, 2014 (UTC)

Of course they do. If it were on me, I would have long listed Saiken as Boil Release user. Considering people went ahead and listed Gaara as Magnet user without adequate evidence, I don't see why should they oppose listing Saiken as Boil user.--Elveonora (talk) 20:06, August 8, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah and Lava creates actual lava, rubber, quicklime and syrup of sorts. In other words, the substance produced depends on the Water component. By increasing the density, it becomes slime, but reducing it, it becomes mist. And I think Utakata's bubbles are simply water. After all, he uses bubble-blower to produce them, so they do not directly come from Saiken, they are more like a homage to it. But this may help if anything --Elveonora (talk) 20:25, August 8, 2014 (UTC)

I don't think Utakata's bubbles are directly from Saiken as I said. Because they are Water Release. If Saiken's acid were Boil Release, then so would be Utakata's bubbles. If Saiken's acid weren't any nature transformation, then so wouldn't be Utakata's bubbles, but they are Water.--Elveonora (talk) 20:49, August 8, 2014 (UTC)

Mei should in theory be able to produce identical substances to Saiken, same goes for Saiken producing mist. The only differences between them are states of the water.--Elveonora (talk) 21:14, August 8, 2014 (UTC)

Why do you think Saiken's acid isn't Boil Release? How else would it change the pH of its substances if not with temperature?--Elveonora (talk) 21:43, August 8, 2014 (UTC)

Do you remember or can you find

Any instance of Blaze Release clashing against or reacting to Lightning Release? It would help greatly.--Elveonora (talk) 12:16, August 11, 2014 (UTC)

Verification on usage of Senjutsu Chakra

Okay, Tau (not Seel, right?), I have many things to ask you regarding this topic. Natural energy is an element of senjutsu chakra, correct? So senjutsu and natural energy are two different, though related, things right? So in the recent Shinobi World War, did Juugo contribute natural energy or senjutsu chakra to Sasuke's Susanoo? And also, only those who have used Sage Transformation can use senjutsu chakra, correct? Meaning Sage Mode, usage Orochimaru's Juinjutsu, and the Six Paths Sage Technique are all different types of the umbrella term "Sage Transformation," correct (which would explain Madara's ability to use techniques that start with "Sage Art," because of the natural energy of the Ten-Tails)? And only those who have trained with senjutsu chakra (users of Sage Mode) are regarded as Sages, correct (like Naruto, Hashirama, Kabuto, and unlike Juugo, Madara, Obito, Sasuke, etc)? Sorry for bombarding you with questions but I really need clarification on this. Thanks! WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task (Talk) (Contributions) 18:34, August 16, 2014 (UTC)


Elveo (here) thinks Kaguya is a user of the SPST. Is that true? WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task (Talk) (Contributions) 21:04, August 17, 2014 (UTC)

Sorry for butting in, but why do you ask specific people on their user talkpages rather than articles' talkpages? I've given my reasoning in the edit summary. Unless you can dispute it, it's true--Elveonora (talk) 21:09, August 17, 2014 (UTC)
She is no user if she doesn't have the tomoe and the Rinnegan on her back. That's the sign of the SPST. Also, since Naruto became a user of it without being a Jinchuriki of the TT, it's obviously not the TT that grants this technique. • Seelentau 愛 21:13, August 17, 2014 (UTC)
Then why Madara and Obito got it when they became jinchs? Obito at least didn't talk with Hagoromo, not being an incarnate and all--Elveonora (talk) 21:15, August 17, 2014 (UTC)

Thank you @Tau. But still @Elveo... Tau has a point. That's what I was thinking, she doesn't have the markings of the SPST. WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task (Talk) (Contributions) 21:17, August 17, 2014 (UTC)

Correct me if I'm wrong: Kaguya's back has been obscured by her hair all along, so how can you say it's not there? Also she sucked Naruto's chakra and didn't turn into a toad nor a statue, now refute these two :P--Elveonora (talk) 21:18, August 17, 2014 (UTC)

Because they got part of all TB's chakras. It is more than obvious that there are missing information here. So for facts sake, please don't add anything unconfirmed. • Seelentau 愛 21:21, August 17, 2014 (UTC)

You didn't refute my points.--Elveonora (talk) 21:26, August 17, 2014 (UTC)

It's simple, we need to search for something they have in common. Naruto never had the full TT, only the tailed beasts. It simply can't be because of the TT. It's not possible. • Seelentau 愛 21:58, August 17, 2014 (UTC)
I'm thinking we should take this to the talkpage (that's very rich coming from me, I know). WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task (Talk) (Contributions) 22:01, August 17, 2014 (UTC)
I'm not going to discuss this topic wiki-relevantly (is that even a word?). The whole [what exactly are Naruto's and Sasuke's powers, what is Sage Transformation, what is Six Paths Chakra]-topic can not be discussed properly because we do not have enough information on it. Anyone who says that something related to that topic can be said for sure, is lying. Yes, even me. • Seelentau 愛 22:06, August 17, 2014 (UTC)
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